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Duggan's ideal draft (both with QB and non QB)

bigblue5611 : 4/22/2024 11:28 am
from The Athletic. His ideal draft is trading up for Maye, if Maye is not available (whether going to WASH or NE), then he pivots to WR. He uses Brugler's rankings for this draft as well FYI.

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Final draft card, QB version:
First round: Drake Maye, QB, North Carolina
Second round: Traded
Third round: Tyler Nubin, S, Minnesota
Fourth round: Traded
Fifth round: Isaac Guerendo, RB, Louisville
Sixth round: Keith Randolph, DL, Illinois

Final draft card, no-QB version:
First round: Malik Nabers, WR, LSU
Second round: T.J. Tampa, CB, Iowa State
Third round: Tyler Nubin, S, Minnesota
Fourth round: Ben Sinnott, TE, Kansas State
Fifth round: Isaac Guerendo, RB, Louisville
Sixth round: Keith Randolph, DL, Illinois


The trade comp to go up and get Maye at 3 is below.

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If Maye is available at No. 3, I’d make an aggressive pitch to the Patriots. My lowball offer would be the Giants’ first-round pick (No. 6), second-round pick (No. 47) and a 2025 second-round pick. I doubt that would be accepted, however. My maximum trade offer would be No. 6, No. 47, a fourth-round pick (No. 107) and a 2025 first-round pick.

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holy shit  
jvm52106 : 4/22/2024 11:30 am : link
that non QB one is pretty uninspiring. Not saying good or bad (nobody will truly know) but at first glance that non QB one is rough..
RE: holy shit  
Big Rick in FL : 4/22/2024 11:33 am : link
In comment 16479267 jvm52106 said:
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that non QB one is pretty uninspiring. Not saying good or bad (nobody will truly know) but at first glance that non QB one is rough..


LOL I was coming to say the same thing. If the difference in us getting Drake Maye & missing out on him is TJ Tampa & Ben Sinnott then Schoen better make that trade today lol
Can he do a few more before Thursday?  
ZogZerg : 4/22/2024 11:35 am : link
What if the WR isn't there?

LOL
On the bright side, with that non-QB  
LW_Giants : 4/22/2024 11:38 am : link
draft we'll likely be picking top 5 next year and can try for QB again.
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Go Terps : 4/22/2024 11:39 am : link
It's easy to say now that the Giants can't draft the QB they don't have conviction on, etc. It's a completely fair thing to say.

But when August rolls around and we're looking at a season with Jones or Lock starting, the reality of the situation is going to start hitting a lot of people.
HAHAHA.  
AcidTest : 4/22/2024 11:42 am : link
Both those drafts are terrible, and we are not getting from #6 to #3 for #6, #47, #107, and our #1 next year.
RE: holy shit  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 11:42 am : link
In comment 16479267 jvm52106 said:
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that non QB one is pretty uninspiring. Not saying good or bad (nobody will truly know) but at first glance that non QB one is rough..


I suspect ANY non-QB draft for you is going to be a problem.
I don't see Tyleer Nubin lasting to round three  
gogiants : 4/22/2024 11:44 am : link
I like the pick and would take him in round two.
RE: .  
MojoEd : 4/22/2024 11:44 am : link
In comment 16479295 Go Terps said:
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It's easy to say now that the Giants can't draft the QB they don't have conviction on, etc. It's a completely fair thing to say.

But when August rolls around and we're looking at a season with Jones or Lock starting, the reality of the situation is going to start hitting a lot of people.

Add to that, the wait for next year crowd could be looking at NYG with #16ish pick with multiple QB needy teams ahead of them and fewer highly rated QB prospects than this year.
RE: RE: holy shit  
jvm52106 : 4/22/2024 11:44 am : link
In comment 16479305 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16479267 jvm52106 said:


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that non QB one is pretty uninspiring. Not saying good or bad (nobody will truly know) but at first glance that non QB one is rough..



I suspect ANY non-QB draft for you is going to be a problem.


Not true but that is fine. I assume you believe that to be true for a few others here ( that you love to mention and hold dear) too.. But, you can't look at that non QB draft and go that is a great looking draft (first glance).. Come on now..
Not sure  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 11:45 am : link
why BBI'ers think this drafts are that far off... what are you guys expecting?

The team only has six picks.
jvm52106  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 11:45 am : link
what picks bother you?
RE: Not sure  
LW_Giants : 4/22/2024 11:50 am : link
In comment 16479317 Eric from BBI said:
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why BBI'ers think this drafts are that far off... what are you guys expecting?

The team only has six picks.


Personally, I don't like the second round CB pick. I think I'd rather another defensive lineman or a TE in the second round.
Im not really interested  
Sammo85 : 4/22/2024 11:50 am : link
in taking Nabers to watch him get bored and wasted for 2-3 yrs while the QB position and possible GM/HC upheaval happen.

Taking Nabers has to involve a real QB plan/option they have in mind than punt and hope for best in 2025.

If McCarthy is there and really unbelievably not their choice, then trade down and let Vikings, Broncos, Raiders have at him for a good haul.
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Go Terps : 4/22/2024 11:52 am : link
In comment 16479310 MojoEd said:
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In comment 16479295 Go Terps said:


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It's easy to say now that the Giants can't draft the QB they don't have conviction on, etc. It's a completely fair thing to say.

But when August rolls around and we're looking at a season with Jones or Lock starting, the reality of the situation is going to start hitting a lot of people.


Add to that, the wait for next year crowd could be looking at NYG with #16ish pick with multiple QB needy teams ahead of them and fewer highly rated QB prospects than this year.


And then they'll complain that we're in the market to pay Dak or Goff $55M a year.

The cupboard is empty, but let's not go to the store because you can't shop hungry.
The QB draft isn’t realistic  
BillT : 4/22/2024 11:52 am : link
It might be if it was for the 4th or 5th pick but projecting a trade with NE is just wishful thinking. Getting a stud WR and a solid CB is a good haul for 6 and 47. And Nubin would be a bit of a steal at 70. No problem there. Like the TE as well.
...  
ryanmkeane : 4/22/2024 11:57 am : link
Nubin in round 3? Sign me the hell up!
Our  
Y28 : 4/22/2024 12:44 pm : link
new coach Charlie Bullen was Randolph’s coach last year. Duggan likely on to something there.

And the Giants had Nubin in recently to evaluate his knee injury recovery. Nubin was an Academic All American 4 consecutive years. Has the smarts to contribute early.
RE: RE: Not sure  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 12:46 pm : link
In comment 16479336 LW_Giants said:
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In comment 16479317 Eric from BBI said:


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why BBI'ers think this drafts are that far off... what are you guys expecting?

The team only has six picks.



Personally, I don't like the second round CB pick. I think I'd rather another defensive lineman or a TE in the second round.


Really, taking a CB in round two is a deal breaker?

I suspect many Giants fans are going to have a difficult time on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday when reality sets in.
Giants will probably need 2024 1st and 3rd and 2025 1st and 3rd  
GFAN52 : 4/22/2024 12:52 pm : link
To beat the Vikings in a deal for the Patriots pick.
I think the QB draft is stupid  
Rudy5757 : 4/22/2024 2:01 pm : link
If you draft a QB you have to get a WR somewhere in a WR rich draft. I think a WR over RB makes more sense. We can get a RB in FA. In any event, I dont think NE is trading out of 3. They need a QB more than the Giants, the owner there wants a QB; its pretty clear that the draft starts after 3.

Ultimately I think we land Nabers, in the 2nd we grab a CB. After that it's anyones guess but I owuld bet there is a DT in there too.

For the love of God  
Festina Lente : 4/22/2024 2:02 pm : link
Why can't people see why we need to draft Ol and probably DL at the top as a priority? This would be a bad usage of resources IMO
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