Came into some information recently and will try and share it exactly how it was disseminated.
Was at a very large get together up in North Jersey and a guy I met is apparently a blood relative of someone high up in the front office. Multiple people at the party attested to this fact.
A few drinks in a bunch of us were talking Giants . We went inside and after a few shots he pulled me and my friend aside as we were talking Giants and the draft with him the most knowledgably and intently.
Here's how he layed it out as best I remember: Parameters between Cards, Giants and Pats have been agreed to for a while if draft goes chalk in top 2.
Though front office opinions on Maye vary quite a bit... Enough teams feel Maye is either a top 2 or top 3 QB in this draft and would be QB1 in most others.
Pats boxed out on the guys they have the highest grade on. Lukewarm on Maye do like McCarthy quite a bit . I asked about all the recent rumors saying they favor Maye and he replied if they truly loved Maye you wouldn't hear all this open for business proclamations from the organization period. Are Chicago and Washington doing this?
Went on to say its very true that both Minny and Giants have been negotiating with Pats most heavily and target is Maye. All other media stuff just white noise. Both teams have Maye as significantly higher than any other QB not named Daniels or Williams.
Giants have the high hand though once it became clear that they can deliver what Pats want most and that would also entail getting the Cards involved. Cards want the blue chip WR and Pats want McCarthy most. Pats get some jingle and McCarthy is how he put it. Also said Pats didn't throw their hat in the ring for a near 9 digit deal with Ridley to pair him with Brisset.
Said Cards are loaded but recognize they can get essentially free picks and still end up with the blue chip after the QB slots thin out.
Oh yeah said Burns deal way back was consummated clearly knowing what Pats wanted most and was explained as when QB is a need for your team it takes precedence over everything including pass rusher.
Ultimately said they have parameters as a 3 way trade as well as double trade up. Not sure which way they go as each permutation is slightly different. Might be a surprise player included going to the Patriots.
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The Pats aren't trading back 1 or 2 spots and picking "their" QB. If they have a QB they are staying at 3 picking him unless it's Pennix or Nix, where they can safely trade down.
The Pats would have no guarantee they would get the guy they want by trading down with anyone. They aren't stupid, which this story suggests.
If Schoen snaked the Pats on a deal like this, word would get out, and no one would every deal with him again. He'd effectively kill his ability to be a GM
Schoen has NOT told the Pats who the Giants want. Come on folks, you can't actually believe that he has.
Eric - They aren't telling them a week before the draft. Numerous GMs have stated this over the years on how trades work.
Schoen has NOT told the Pats who the Giants want. Come on folks, you can't actually believe that he has.
We have video of him assuring JAX that he was not going offense when they dealt for Banks.
I actually believe these teams know almost exactly who each other wants, it’s just the fans and media mostly in the dark. Why else would it be that for years these teams jump one another at the exact point in the draft even after the 1st round.
Why does New England Need to be involved in a trade at all????? That makes ZERO sense. NE is not trading to Minny. Let them pick their QB.
Any trade would only need to include the Giants and Arizona, and that would only happen if Arizona was willing to lose out on the best player in the draft.
Why does New England Need to be involved in a trade at all?????
To ensure NE doesn't trade to MIN
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Why does New England Need to be involved in a trade at all?????
To ensure NE doesn't trade to MIN
They are not trading to Minny. Stop with the BS. They need a QB and apparently everyone on this thread know who it is. Trade to Minny and they lose out on that player. Not happening.
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All three teams are not hiding secrets here. Every team knows what the other team wants. That's why they would do it.
Why does New England Need to be involved in a trade at all????? That makes ZERO sense. NE is not trading to Minny. Let them pick their QB.
Any trade would only need to include the Giants and Arizona, and that would only happen if Arizona was willing to lose out on the best player in the draft.
Already discussed why above.
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Why does New England Need to be involved in a trade at all?????
To ensure NE doesn't trade to MIN
They are not trading to Minny. Stop with the BS. They need a QB and apparently everyone on this thread know who it is. Trade to Minny and they lose out on that player. Not happening.
Since you have that crystal ball out, might as well share the Powerball and Mega Millions numbers, too.
You don't know what they will or will not do any more than anyone else.
No angry at all. This is what I read:
Giants have the high hand though once it became clear that they can deliver what Pats want most and that would also entail getting the Cards involved. Cards want the blue chip WR and Pats want McCarthy most.
So Pats giving up McCarthy to trade with Minny?
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While some things they have done with the roster, outside of his two drafts, has gotten leaked out, not certain anybody has stepped up with credible draft-related inside information during Schoen’s reign. The disaggregation of rumors this year aligns with that same theme too.
Let me know if a poster has stepped up and hit on something worthwhile in either of the last two drafts, in the meanwhile, your best bet may be to just monitor the top 30 visits and guess.
And yet you continue to read these threads.
Sure, it's still NYG football talk anyway. And maybe there is a current day draft-insider or two that shows up with something and slides it in to the discussions.
And for the Pats, they don't want to drop below 4 if they want McCarthy. The Cards don't want to drop below 6 if they want a WR.
It's actually pretty damn clever.
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GM's tell other teams all of the time what they intend to do with the pick. We know this because teams have started releasing footage of these negotiations after the draft.
I actually believe these teams know almost exactly who each other wants, it’s just the fans and media mostly in the dark. Why else would it be that for years these teams jump one another at the exact point in the draft even after the 1st round.
There was a lot of video coverage last year on Schoen and he was talking to himself/guessing along regarding what the teams were doing in front of us just like any other educated fan.
Giants trade to 3. Giants draft Maye
NE trades to 4. NE draft McCarthy
AZ grabs one of MHJ or Nabers
It all comes down to compensation.
Very interesting.
Yeah, this sounds like a deal that a Giants fan came up with. Don't think Kraft will think it's worth it. It would be wild move by the Pats if they could pull it off. Risking your preferred "franchise QB" for a couple of draft picks.
It also may pacify some in the Pats organization who supposedly are at odds with taking McCarthy and not trading down (we don't know if the rumors are true or not however).
Not bitching. I only asked if we had a current poster aligned with a recent Schoen draft since he is a fairly new at his role.
However, if the Giants really want Maye, the Patriots really want McCarthy, and the Cardinals are happy with any of two WRs, it's an elegant solution.
If this is a fabricated story, I hope the Giants are reading this and taking it as a great idea to offer.
It also may pacify some in the Pats organization who supposedly are at odds with taking McCarthy and not trading down (we don't know if the rumors are true or not however).
Agree. If Pats top brass are split to some extent and not all on board with Maye/McCarthy then that's the concern for the Giants with Minny. If JJ is preferred slighlty more than say Pennix (or whomever is next) then that would be the reason Pats do this.
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What do you think the Giants do? JJ, Nabers, or trade back?
Apologies if you answered this already..
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What do you think the Giants do? JJ, Nabers, or trade back?
Apologies if you answered this already..
I don't have a a clue. I'm tending to believe McCarthy is smoke at this point with the Giants.
This is exciting yet nerve wracking at the same time.
Three #1s, which includes their 2025 1st, yes I would consider that.
I think possible outcomes:
1. Maye in a trade up
2. Stay at 6 for Nabers
3. If outcomes one and two are gone....trade back, but needs a 2025 1x included. (Den, Minn, LV?, Saints)
Not an asshat, just my gut.
If Maye is our guy of the first tier QBs and we lose out, I'm most intrigued by the Denver noise and their love of JJM. I would personally just take JJM myself at 6, but if they don't want to do that, give me 12 and Surtain Jr. I would then be looking at Nix/Penix at 12.
Giants trade to 3. Giants draft Maye
NE trades to 4. NE draft McCarthy
AZ grabs one of MHJ or Nabers
It all comes down to compensation.
Very interesting.
I bet all these teams involved know exactly what each other wants most or have a strong clue. They know each other's tendencies. They have gotten intel. They have studied each others moves.
It sure seems like Minnesota is ready to give up the farm for Maye. Pats are leveraging that as much as they can to get their cake and eat it too. Is it true they want Minny's godfather offer if they don't end up with McCarthy along with some level of additional compensation? High stakes poker game. If they really do and Giants thought they were bluffing, they'd likely lose out on Maye.
However, if the Giants really want Maye, the Patriots really want McCarthy, and the Cardinals are happy with any of two WRs, it's an elegant solution.
If this is a fabricated story, I hope the Giants are reading this and taking it as a great idea to offer.
How would it be executed though? Giants trade up to 4 with Arizona late on draft day or between picks 1 and 2 overall (to give Minnesota little time to react) and then trade up to 3 with the Pats once the Pats are on the clock?
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all be BS...
However, if the Giants really want Maye, the Patriots really want McCarthy, and the Cardinals are happy with any of two WRs, it's an elegant solution.
If this is a fabricated story, I hope the Giants are reading this and taking it as a great idea to offer.
How would it be executed though? Giants trade up to 4 with Arizona late on draft day or between picks 1 and 2 overall (to give Minnesota little time to react) and then trade up to 3 with the Pats once the Pats are on the clock?
I'd imagine it would all happen with NE on the clock as it depends on CW and JD going 1-2
New England still wants JJM and won't get him at 12. They would be looking to trade up for JJM using some of their newly acquired assets.
Giants trade pick 6 to NE for three 1s. NE gets their guy and a #2. Giants get 3 1s.
I'd imagine it would all happen with NE on the clock as it depends on CW and JD going 1-2
This. If X and Y happen that triggers the trades. It is all in place if this is real.
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the point of the three-way trade from the perspective of the Giants is to box out the Vikings. The perspective of the trade from the Patriots and Cardinals is to receive "free" draft assets when taking players they would have taken anyways. IMO, the problem here could be the Cardinals unless they have Harrison and one of the other WRs ranked closely.
Yeah, this sounds like a deal that a Giants fan came up with. Don't think Kraft will think it's worth it. It would be wild move by the Pats if they could pull it off. Risking your preferred "franchise QB" for a couple of draft picks.
NE wouldn't be risking losing JJM in this scenario, they would go straight to pick 4 knowing we were taking Maye at 3.
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Why does New England Need to be involved in a trade at all?????
To ensure NE doesn't trade to MIN
They are not trading to Minny. Stop with the BS. They need a QB and apparently everyone on this thread know who it is. Trade to Minny and they lose out on that player. Not happening.
Whats stopping them from potentially taking the haul from Min then moving back up to get JJM theoretically?
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Why does New England Need to be involved in a trade at all?????
To ensure NE doesn't trade to MIN
They are not trading to Minny. Stop with the BS. They need a QB and apparently everyone on this thread know who it is. Trade to Minny and they lose out on that player. Not happening.
Whats stopping them from potentially taking the haul from Min then moving back up to get JJM theoretically?
Eliminating the possibility of NOT being able to move back up is my thought. I think this is a strong W for all three teams involved. Everyone gets what they want with no additional stress.
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Why does New England Need to be involved in a trade at all?????
To ensure NE doesn't trade to MIN
They are not trading to Minny. Stop with the BS. They need a QB and apparently everyone on this thread know who it is. Trade to Minny and they lose out on that player. Not happening.
Whats stopping them from potentially taking the haul from Min then moving back up to get JJM theoretically?
A big enough offer from the Giants to compensate as well as Cards being in position to draft their blue-chip WR.
if they're confident they can get him at 4, while adding another pick, why not?
NE: gets JJM and some additional assets to just move down one spot
NYG: Get their guy in Maye
Arizona: Gets additional assets and one of top 2 receivers.
I'm not sure I believe this since the OP has no history here, and it's very complicated. But I certainly hope it's true.
Question is how much do vikings keep adding to the deal to get either Arizona or NE to say "actually we need you to add more Giants"
Sounds like there's a lot of palace intrigue going on in Foxboro (i.e., coaching staff vs. front office vs. ownership).
NE: gets JJM and some additional assets to just move down one spot
NYG: Get their guy in Maye
Arizona: Gets additional assets and one of top 2 receivers.
I'm not sure I believe this since the OP has no history here, and it's very complicated. But I certainly hope it's true.
Question is how much do vikings keep adding to the deal to get either Arizona or NE to say "actually we need you to add more Giants"
That's a great point about the Vikings. They haven't hidden their desperation for getting a QB in this draft.
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would be involved at all in this scenario? If they want JJM, just take him 3rd, and the Giants and Cards can work out their own deal.
Sounds like there's a lot of palace intrigue going on in Foxboro (i.e., coaching staff vs. front office vs. ownership).
Because they can get an additional pick, probably relatively high, with zero risk and still get JJM
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would be involved at all in this scenario? If they want JJM, just take him 3rd, and the Giants and Cards can work out their own deal.
Sounds like there's a lot of palace intrigue going on in Foxboro (i.e., coaching staff vs. front office vs. ownership).
Because they can get an additional pick, probably relatively high, with zero risk and still get JJM
Agreed with this and everything I am seeing/hearing today seems to corroborate with this three way trade.
New England seems to like JJM over Maye. They don't want to move back to spot that doesn't guarantee them JJM.
Giants are trying to trade up for Maye.
Cardinals are open to moving back, but no lower than 6.
I'm not going to get my hopes up here but this is starting to look more and more like it may happen and just makes way to much sense.