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Stars_and_stripes : 4/22/2024 5:46 pm
Came into some information recently and will try and share it exactly how it was disseminated.

Was at a very large get together up in North Jersey and a guy I met is apparently a blood relative of someone high up in the front office. Multiple people at the party attested to this fact.

A few drinks in a bunch of us were talking Giants . We went inside and after a few shots he pulled me and my friend aside as we were talking Giants and the draft with him the most knowledgably and intently.

Here's how he layed it out as best I remember: Parameters between Cards, Giants and Pats have been agreed to for a while if draft goes chalk in top 2.

Though front office opinions on Maye vary quite a bit... Enough teams feel Maye is either a top 2 or top 3 QB in this draft and would be QB1 in most others.

Pats boxed out on the guys they have the highest grade on. Lukewarm on Maye do like McCarthy quite a bit . I asked about all the recent rumors saying they favor Maye and he replied if they truly loved Maye you wouldn't hear all this open for business proclamations from the organization period. Are Chicago and Washington doing this?

Went on to say its very true that both Minny and Giants have been negotiating with Pats most heavily and target is Maye. All other media stuff just white noise. Both teams have Maye as significantly higher than any other QB not named Daniels or Williams.

Giants have the high hand though once it became clear that they can deliver what Pats want most and that would also entail getting the Cards involved. Cards want the blue chip WR and Pats want McCarthy most. Pats get some jingle and McCarthy is how he put it. Also said Pats didn't throw their hat in the ring for a near 9 digit deal with Ridley to pair him with Brisset.

Said Cards are loaded but recognize they can get essentially free picks and still end up with the blue chip after the QB slots thin out.

Oh yeah said Burns deal way back was consummated clearly knowing what Pats wanted most and was explained as when QB is a need for your team it takes precedence over everything including pass rusher.

Ultimately said they have parameters as a 3 way trade as well as double trade up. Not sure which way they go as each permutation is slightly different. Might be a surprise player included going to the Patriots.
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Makes sense  
armstead98 : 4/22/2024 5:50 pm : link
Who knows if info is good but it works as long as cards feel like they get enough to miss out on MHJ
What sucks  
Jaenyg : 4/22/2024 5:50 pm : link
Is we couldn’t pull any of this shit in 2020 when we picked 4th.

Chargers and Dolphins got to just sit pat.
If all this is true  
Jaenyg : 4/22/2024 5:51 pm : link
Can’t we sit tight?
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/22/2024 5:52 pm : link
‘A few drinks in us.’ Liquid courage!

Thanks for info though.
Way too logical!  
BigTymer : 4/22/2024 5:52 pm : link
I kid but really this would all make way more sense than some of the other stuff we’ve been hearing. Long wait.

I’d still prefer Nabers but have no qualms with JS having convictions as they know more than me! Thanks for sharing.
So  
regischarlotte : 4/22/2024 5:53 pm : link
what number would Maye be wearing in big blue?
Sounds very legit.  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 5:55 pm : link
I actually suggested this multiple times and was told this never happens. I guess if they really love Maye then it's safer to do this than risk Minnesota getting him at 4 or something. Would be nice if we just had a deal setup with AZ and NE took JJM at 4, but that's not how life works for the NYG.
You sir have been added to the asshat roundup  
widmerseyebrow : 4/22/2024 5:57 pm : link
in my BBI profile.
Pick 70 and 2025 2nd to AZ,  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 5:58 pm : link
Pick 47 to NE? I wonder how Schoen could get this done without 2025 1st. No way to avoid trading 47 and 2025 1st.
Surprise player going to Pats  
Breeze_94 : 4/22/2024 5:59 pm : link
Wonder who…maybe Azeez? Seems to be almost logical. Second guess would be Slayton but I’m not sure that helps NE as they have a bunch of #2/#3 types.
RE: If all this is true  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:00 pm : link
In comment 16480101 Jaenyg said:
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Can’t we sit tight?


Minnesota could trade with LAC then AZ or direct with AZ. If they love Maye then this would be the way to secure him, unfortunately.
RE: Pick 70 and 2025 2nd to AZ,  
widmerseyebrow : 4/22/2024 6:00 pm : link
In comment 16480115 BleedBlue46 said:
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Pick 47 to NE? I wonder how Schoen could get this done without 2025 1st. No way to avoid trading 47 and 2025 1st.


According to GoDeep they really want to keep 47 and 2025 1st is off the table completely.

This guy is saying a surprise NYG player could be involved.
RE: …  
BigBlueShock : 4/22/2024 6:01 pm : link
In comment 16480102 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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‘A few drinks in us.’ Liquid courage!

Thanks for info though.

I have a coworker like that. Get a few drinks in him and he starts telling state secrets. Every single time. If you tell that dude anything in confidence, you’re a freakin moron, lol
Ridley?  
Woodstock : 4/22/2024 6:01 pm : link
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also why can’t high ranking NFL execs  
Breeze_94 : 4/22/2024 6:01 pm : link
Keep a secret
RE: Surprise player going to Pats  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:01 pm : link
In comment 16480116 Breeze_94 said:
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Wonder who…maybe Azeez? Seems to be almost logical. Second guess would be Slayton but I’m not sure that helps NE as they have a bunch of #2/#3 types.


KT? Hyatt? Slayton? Neal? If we traded KT we could potentially do this all for pick 6, 70 2025 2nd and KT. 6, 70 and 2025 2nd to AZ
, then KT to NE. We could then make a move for Aiyuk with 47 and conditional 4th/3rd 2025 pick.
Never mind  
Woodstock : 4/22/2024 6:03 pm : link
I understand
RE: Ridley?  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:03 pm : link
In comment 16480123 Woodstock said:
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Asshat communication going down like ewoks communicating.

Sounds like Woodstock might have not be disagreeing with this.
RE: also why can’t high ranking NFL execs  
widmerseyebrow : 4/22/2024 6:04 pm : link
In comment 16480124 Breeze_94 said:
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Keep a secret


This handle is 04/24 so could be more disinformation or nothing at all. I'm enjoying it either way.
RE: So  
Gman11 : 4/22/2024 6:04 pm : link
In comment 16480105 regischarlotte said:
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what number would Maye be wearing in big blue?


8
RE: Never mind  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:04 pm : link
In comment 16480127 Woodstock said:
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I understand


So this isn't far fetched to you then, Woody?
RE: also why can’t high ranking NFL execs  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/22/2024 6:04 pm : link
In comment 16480124 Breeze_94 said:
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Keep a secret


Alcohol.
RE: RE: also why can’t high ranking NFL execs  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:05 pm : link
In comment 16480130 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 16480124 Breeze_94 said:


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Keep a secret



This handle is 04/24 so could be more disinformation or nothing at all. I'm enjoying it either way.


I dont think Woodstock wouldn't have posted like he did if it was disinformation..
RE: If all this is true  
Sean : 4/22/2024 6:06 pm : link
In comment 16480101 Jaenyg said:
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Can’t we sit tight?

No, because it's the only way to box out the Vikings and guarantee Maye. This makes sense although don't love someone slamming down shots and having loose lips.
RE: RE: If all this is true  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:07 pm : link
In comment 16480140 Sean said:
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In comment 16480101 Jaenyg said:


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Can’t we sit tight?


No, because it's the only way to box out the Vikings and guarantee Maye. This makes sense although don't love someone slamming down shots and having loose lips.


It's the brother of an executive, what can you do? I guess not tell your brother.
RE: RE: Pick 70 and 2025 2nd to AZ,  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:10 pm : link
In comment 16480121 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 16480115 BleedBlue46 said:


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Pick 47 to NE? I wonder how Schoen could get this done without 2025 1st. No way to avoid trading 47 and 2025 1st.



According to GoDeep they really want to keep 47 and 2025 1st is off the table completely.

This guy is saying a surprise NYG player could be involved.


Yeah, would have to be someone worth a 2nd round pick I think. That reduces it to just KT or maybe Hyatt.

Maybe AZ complies for pick 107 and 2025 2nd, then NE takes Hyatt and gets the guy Kraft wants. Would be sad to see Hyatt or KT go, but saving that pick 47 could help us net Aiyuk which would help a lot for any rookie QB to have a vet security blanket like that.
This  
AcidTest : 4/22/2024 6:11 pm : link
is no more plausible or implausible than everything else we've heard. A three-way deal was always possible, but we've also heard from several asshats that the Giants don't want to give up their #1 next year in any trade. But they can't get to #3 without doing so. PrettyRickey213, who was all over the Burns trade, has also said that the Vikings and Cardinals have had "productive talks." Why would that be happening if this three-way deal was already in place? So which is it? We'll find out in a few days.
RE: This  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:13 pm : link
In comment 16480146 AcidTest said:
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is no more plausible or implausible than everything else we've heard. A three-way deal was always possible, but we've also heard from several asshats that the Giants don't want to give up their #1 next year in any trade. But they can't get to #3 without doing so. PrettyRickey213, who was all over the Burns trade, has also said that the Vikings and Cardinals have had "productive talks." Why would that be happening if this three-way deal was already in place? So which is it? We'll find out in a few days.


If Kayvon was involved, NYG could potentially get this done for just 2025 2nd and pick 70 or 107 to AZ then KT to NE (who would be getting the guy they would take at 3 anyways plus Kayvon for their trouble).

This is what the dd in Mass poster has said as well  
Sean : 4/22/2024 6:14 pm : link
He's talked about a 3 team trade essentially. I think this makes the most sense.

NYG - Maye
NE - McCarthy (plus picks)
ARI - Harrison/Nabers (plus picks)

It will be the most expensive for NYG.
RE: RE: Pick 70 and 2025 2nd to AZ,  
Capt. Don : 4/22/2024 6:15 pm : link
In comment 16480121 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 16480115 BleedBlue46 said:


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Pick 47 to NE? I wonder how Schoen could get this done without 2025 1st. No way to avoid trading 47 and 2025 1st.



According to GoDeep they really want to keep 47 and 2025 1st is off the table completely.

This guy is saying a surprise NYG player could be involved.


I really hope it isn't Hyatt. I like Slayton but that would be fine by me.
RE: So  
Blue21 : 4/22/2024 6:15 pm : link
In comment 16480105 regischarlotte said:
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what number would Maye be wearing in big blue?
10 Hasn't he been working with Eli too?
RE: This is what the dd in Mass poster has said as well  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:16 pm : link
In comment 16480150 Sean said:
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He's talked about a 3 team trade essentially. I think this makes the most sense.

NYG - Maye
NE - McCarthy (plus picks)
ARI - Harrison/Nabers (plus picks)

It will be the most expensive for NYG.


True dd in Mass said he knows some Pats family people and said the same thing about a deal with NYG, AZ and NE that was held up by AZ's demands.
RE: This  
widmerseyebrow : 4/22/2024 6:17 pm : link
In comment 16480146 AcidTest said:
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PrettyRickey213, who was all over the Burns trade, has also said that the Vikings and Cardinals have had "productive talks." Why would that be happening if this three-way deal was already in place? So which is it? We'll find out in a few days.


MIN and ARI could just have a conditional deal in place in case Maye gets to #4. Every deal has to be conditional until Williams and Daniels picks are official.
RE: RE: RE: Pick 70 and 2025 2nd to AZ,  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:17 pm : link
In comment 16480152 Capt. Don said:
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In comment 16480121 widmerseyebrow said:


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In comment 16480115 BleedBlue46 said:


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Pick 47 to NE? I wonder how Schoen could get this done without 2025 1st. No way to avoid trading 47 and 2025 1st.



According to GoDeep they really want to keep 47 and 2025 1st is off the table completely.

This guy is saying a surprise NYG player could be involved.



I really hope it isn't Hyatt. I like Slayton but that would be fine by me.


Slayton wouldn't carry much value, maybe a 6th. Hyatt could be seen as a 2025 2nd in value potentially. Kayvon would be like a 2025 1st in value. It would have to be Kayvon or Hyatt if you ask me, no one else I could think of with enough value.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/22/2024 6:18 pm : link
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if they truly loved Maye you wouldn't hear all this open for business proclamations from the organization period. Are Chicago and Washington doing this?


I’ve wondered about this too recently. If the Pats were completely locked into whichever of the top three QBs drops, why would any of the “open for business” talk be happening? It makes no sense, although I expect the Pats to eventually take whichever one of those guys is left.

If there’s a scenario in which there’s a trade to be made with the Cardinals, I’m not sure how the Giants would be outbid. The sixth pick has real value with Nabers and Odunze possibly available.
Damnit !!!  
Bob in Vt : 4/22/2024 6:18 pm : link
I read this and now I have renewed hope for a potential franchise QB being drafted. I had just about convinced myself that this was unattainable. Now I am not so sure.
Argh !!
3 way draft day trades are tough in NFL  
ZogZerg : 4/22/2024 6:18 pm : link
I'm sure they have happened, but I can't recall the last time one has.
I proposed this a while back  
UberAlias : 4/22/2024 6:19 pm : link
It makes too much sense. Several people said wouldn’t happen because 3 way trades don’t happen. But again, it makes perfect sense for the three teams. It’s a win win win.
Probably nothing but ESPN and CBS depth charts  
widmerseyebrow : 4/22/2024 6:20 pm : link
have Eluemunor at RT and Stinnie at G. Evan Neal on the bench.
RE: 3 way draft day trades are tough in NFL  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:21 pm : link
In comment 16480162 ZogZerg said:
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I'm sure they have happened, but I can't recall the last time one has.


Technically this could be done as just trading up twice, not really a 3 way trade. I've mentioned this as a likely scenario for a while now, but everytime I was told 0 chance it doesn't happen period end of story.
RE: RE: This  
AcidTest : 4/22/2024 6:22 pm : link
In comment 16480148 BleedBlue46 said:
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In comment 16480146 AcidTest said:


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is no more plausible or implausible than everything else we've heard. A three-way deal was always possible, but we've also heard from several asshats that the Giants don't want to give up their #1 next year in any trade. But they can't get to #3 without doing so. PrettyRickey213, who was all over the Burns trade, has also said that the Vikings and Cardinals have had "productive talks." Why would that be happening if this three-way deal was already in place? So which is it? We'll find out in a few days.



If Kayvon was involved, NYG could potentially get this done for just 2025 2nd and pick 70 or 107 to AZ then KT to NE (who would be getting the guy they would take at 3 anyways plus Kayvon for their trouble).


I'd be stunned and pretty pissed if we traded KT. With Burns we now have a plausible pass rush, something that was basically nonexistent last year. Trading him would be idiotic. But I'm fine trading Neal and Ojulari.
Who would you rather keep: Hyatt or Wandale?  
widmerseyebrow : 4/22/2024 6:22 pm : link
?
RE: I proposed this a while back  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/22/2024 6:22 pm : link
In comment 16480164 UberAlias said:
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It makes too much sense. Several people said wouldn’t happen because 3 way trades don’t happen. But again, it makes perfect sense for the three teams. It’s a win win win.


Ending with the Giants at 4, Cards at 5, and Chargers at 6?
mark  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 6:22 pm : link
another asshat checkmark in the Maye column.

RE: I proposed this a while back  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:23 pm : link
In comment 16480164 UberAlias said:
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It makes too much sense. Several people said wouldn’t happen because 3 way trades don’t happen. But again, it makes perfect sense for the three teams. It’s a win win win.


I think we were the only ones saying this could be a likely scenario and everyone told us no chance lol. I wouldn't love this as it would be costly, but if they love Maye this much then you'd have to be enthusiastic about their conviction.
RE: RE: So  
Capt. Don : 4/22/2024 6:23 pm : link
In comment 16480132 Gman11 said:
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In comment 16480105 regischarlotte said:


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what number would Maye be wearing in big blue?



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I lolled
Than why the fuck trade at all????????  
George from PA : 4/22/2024 6:25 pm : link
Patriots draft JLL
Arizona draft MHJ

And we get Maye.

Schoen will be a fool if he gives up premium picks.
RE: Than why the fuck trade at all????????  
widmerseyebrow : 4/22/2024 6:26 pm : link
In comment 16480176 George from PA said:
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Patriots draft JLL
Arizona draft MHJ

And we get Maye.

Schoen will be a fool if he gives up premium picks.


You're hoping then that Minnesota or someone else doesn't trade up with Arizona or LAC and take Maye.
Actually this seems too complicated to not have some validity to it  
Blue21 : 4/22/2024 6:26 pm : link
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RE: Surprise player going to Pats  
Optimus-NY : 4/22/2024 6:27 pm : link
In comment 16480116 Breeze_94 said:
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Wonder who…maybe Azeez? Seems to be almost logical. Second guess would be Slayton but I’m not sure that helps NE as they have a bunch of #2/#3 types.


Evan Neal? Hyatt?
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