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Stars_and_stripes : 4/22/2024 5:46 pm
Came into some information recently and will try and share it exactly how it was disseminated.

Was at a very large get together up in North Jersey and a guy I met is apparently a blood relative of someone high up in the front office. Multiple people at the party attested to this fact.

A few drinks in a bunch of us were talking Giants . We went inside and after a few shots he pulled me and my friend aside as we were talking Giants and the draft with him the most knowledgably and intently.

Here's how he layed it out as best I remember: Parameters between Cards, Giants and Pats have been agreed to for a while if draft goes chalk in top 2.

Though front office opinions on Maye vary quite a bit... Enough teams feel Maye is either a top 2 or top 3 QB in this draft and would be QB1 in most others.

Pats boxed out on the guys they have the highest grade on. Lukewarm on Maye do like McCarthy quite a bit . I asked about all the recent rumors saying they favor Maye and he replied if they truly loved Maye you wouldn't hear all this open for business proclamations from the organization period. Are Chicago and Washington doing this?

Went on to say its very true that both Minny and Giants have been negotiating with Pats most heavily and target is Maye. All other media stuff just white noise. Both teams have Maye as significantly higher than any other QB not named Daniels or Williams.

Giants have the high hand though once it became clear that they can deliver what Pats want most and that would also entail getting the Cards involved. Cards want the blue chip WR and Pats want McCarthy most. Pats get some jingle and McCarthy is how he put it. Also said Pats didn't throw their hat in the ring for a near 9 digit deal with Ridley to pair him with Brisset.

Said Cards are loaded but recognize they can get essentially free picks and still end up with the blue chip after the QB slots thin out.

Oh yeah said Burns deal way back was consummated clearly knowing what Pats wanted most and was explained as when QB is a need for your team it takes precedence over everything including pass rusher.

Ultimately said they have parameters as a 3 way trade as well as double trade up. Not sure which way they go as each permutation is slightly different. Might be a surprise player included going to the Patriots.
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RE: Than why the fuck trade at all????????  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:27 pm : link
In comment 16480176 George from PA said:
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Patriots draft JLL
Arizona draft MHJ

And we get Maye.

Schoen will be a fool if he gives up premium picks.


Because Minnesota would likely figure out a way to get Maye at 4 or 5 or via their own double trade up. I don't love it, but it makes sense and is what dd in Mass had been saying plus Woodstock seemed like he might be on a similar page too.
RE: Probably nothing but ESPN and CBS depth charts  
Capt. Don : 4/22/2024 6:28 pm : link
In comment 16480167 widmerseyebrow said:
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have Eluemunor at RT and Stinnie at G. Evan Neal on the bench.


So does Ourlads. Sy, what do you know?
Lonk - ( New Window )
RE: also why can’t high ranking NFL execs  
Optimus-NY : 4/22/2024 6:28 pm : link
In comment 16480124 Breeze_94 said:
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Keep a secret


Cuz they're mongos.
RE: RE: Surprise player going to Pats  
PatersonPlank : 4/22/2024 6:29 pm : link
In comment 16480125 BleedBlue46 said:
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Wonder who…maybe Azeez? Seems to be almost logical. Second guess would be Slayton but I’m not sure that helps NE as they have a bunch of #2/#3 types.



KT? Hyatt? Slayton? Neal? If we traded KT we could potentially do this all for pick 6, 70 2025 2nd and KT. 6, 70 and 2025 2nd to AZ
, then KT to NE. We could then make a move for Aiyuk with 47 and conditional 4th/3rd 2025 pick.


Jones?
RE: RE: RE: This  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:29 pm : link
In comment 16480170 AcidTest said:
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In comment 16480148 BleedBlue46 said:


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In comment 16480146 AcidTest said:


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is no more plausible or implausible than everything else we've heard. A three-way deal was always possible, but we've also heard from several asshats that the Giants don't want to give up their #1 next year in any trade. But they can't get to #3 without doing so. PrettyRickey213, who was all over the Burns trade, has also said that the Vikings and Cardinals have had "productive talks." Why would that be happening if this three-way deal was already in place? So which is it? We'll find out in a few days.



If Kayvon was involved, NYG could potentially get this done for just 2025 2nd and pick 70 or 107 to AZ then KT to NE (who would be getting the guy they would take at 3 anyways plus Kayvon for their trouble).




I'd be stunned and pretty pissed if we traded KT. With Burns we now have a plausible pass rush, something that was basically nonexistent last year. Trading him would be idiotic. But I'm fine trading Neal and Ojulari.


I would be too, but who besides Deonte Banks (not moving), Hyatt, Wandale, and KT have value equal to a 2nd at least?
New England has lots of  
jvm52106 : 4/22/2024 6:30 pm : link
Holes and Giants and Cards could make this deal work..

So it I get the pick set up- Gmen to 3, NE to 4 and AZ to 6..


One thing to keep in Mind, New England has the most cap space in 2024 and projected in 2025.. They can take on salary..

RE: New England has lots of  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 6:31 pm : link
In comment 16480187 jvm52106 said:
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Holes and Giants and Cards could make this deal work..

So it I get the pick set up- Gmen to 3, NE to 4 and AZ to 6..


One thing to keep in Mind, New England has the most cap space in 2024 and projected in 2025.. They can take on salary..


Daniel Jones type salary?

I kid.
Could the surprise player be Neal? They need oline help.  
Blue21 : 4/22/2024 6:31 pm : link
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RE: New England has lots of  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:31 pm : link
In comment 16480187 jvm52106 said:
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Holes and Giants and Cards could make this deal work..

So it I get the pick set up- Gmen to 3, NE to 4 and AZ to 6..


One thing to keep in Mind, New England has the most cap space in 2024 and projected in 2025.. They can take on salary..


No one is taking dj lol
If Neal goes  
widmerseyebrow : 4/22/2024 6:32 pm : link
That would basically mean Bricillo saw the tape and said "Let's not waste our time." I'd be really surprised if they moved him without any practice time with the new coach.
I  
AcidTest : 4/22/2024 6:32 pm : link
guess we'd trade with NE and then they would trade with AZ to take JJM. That would vindicate BleedBlue46 and a few others, but again, how do we trade with NE without giving up our #1 next year, which several asshats have said we won't do? And if NE wants JJM, then why trade with them at all? Let them take him, and then trade with AZ for Maye, since doing so would be much cheaper than trading with NE. Are we concerned that if we don't trade with NE that they might trade with MN? MN has likely offered #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year for #3. Beating that is going to require #6, #47, our #1 next year, and probably a player or two. How much are we willing to trade to move up for Maye?
RE: Could the surprise player be Neal? They need oline help.  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:33 pm : link
In comment 16480189 Blue21 said:
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Could be, but I'd be surprised if he moved the needle at all.
Yes, Jones could be part  
jvm52106 : 4/22/2024 6:33 pm : link
Of that deal especially if we are paying a good portion of his money but, Pats have cap space.. Jones backing up Brisset for one year let's Pats fill multiple holes..

I suspect Evan Neal and maybe even Waller (to AZ) could be part of a deal..
RE: Than why the fuck trade at all????????  
Sean : 4/22/2024 6:33 pm : link
In comment 16480176 George from PA said:
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Patriots draft JLL
Arizona draft MHJ

And we get Maye.

Schoen will be a fool if he gives up premium picks.

Not at all. You don't sit around and wait, you go get the QB. The Vikings are aggressively trying to move up.
RE: RE: Than why the fuck trade at all????????  
AcidTest : 4/22/2024 6:34 pm : link
In comment 16480177 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 16480176 George from PA said:


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Patriots draft JLL
Arizona draft MHJ

And we get Maye.

Schoen will be a fool if he gives up premium picks.



You're hoping then that Minnesota or someone else doesn't trade up with Arizona or LAC and take Maye.


I think the assumption is that AZ doesn't want to trade with MN because they would lost out on all of the "big three" WRs. They also already have a ton of draft capital.
RE: I  
Sean : 4/22/2024 6:35 pm : link
In comment 16480193 AcidTest said:
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guess we'd trade with NE and then they would trade with AZ to take JJM. That would vindicate BleedBlue46 and a few others, but again, how do we trade with NE without giving up our #1 next year, which several asshats have said we won't do? And if NE wants JJM, then why trade with them at all? Let them take him, and then trade with AZ for Maye, since doing so would be much cheaper than trading with NE. Are we concerned that if we don't trade with NE that they might trade with MN? MN has likely offered #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year for #3. Beating that is going to require #6, #47, our #1 next year, and probably a player or two. How much are we willing to trade to move up for Maye?

I think they move the 2025-1 if they need to.
Thanks for sharing, but I’m wondering why Pats  
Section331 : 4/22/2024 6:36 pm : link
would be involved at all in this scenario? If they want JJM, just take him 3rd, and the Giants and Cards can work out their own deal.
Just to confirm I followed right, this ends with...  
Blue Dog : 4/22/2024 6:37 pm : link
* Caleb Williams, Bears
* Jayden Daniels, Commanders
* Drake Maye, Giants (boxed out Vikings because of #6)
* J.J. McCarthy, Patriots (took Giants trade because they still get their QB)
* Chargers
* Cardinals (took trade because guaranteed one MHJ/Nabers/Odunze)
RE: Thanks for sharing, but I’m wondering why Pats  
AcidTest : 4/22/2024 6:38 pm : link
In comment 16480204 Section331 said:
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would be involved at all in this scenario? If they want JJM, just take him 3rd, and the Giants and Cards can work out their own deal.


Agreed, unless it's because they feel that doing this deal can net them JJM and extra draft picks. That IMO is too risky when they deal involves a QB, but GMs are often stupid.
RE: Just to confirm I followed right, this ends with...  
Sean : 4/22/2024 6:38 pm : link
In comment 16480206 Blue Dog said:
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* Caleb Williams, Bears
* Jayden Daniels, Commanders
* Drake Maye, Giants (boxed out Vikings because of #6)
* J.J. McCarthy, Patriots (took Giants trade because they still get their QB)
* Chargers
* Cardinals (took trade because guaranteed one MHJ/Nabers/Odunze)

Yep. It makes sense. All would be contingent on Daniels to WSH.
RE: I  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:39 pm : link
In comment 16480193 AcidTest said:
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guess we'd trade with NE and then they would trade with AZ to take JJM. That would vindicate BleedBlue46 and a few others, but again, how do we trade with NE without giving up our #1 next year, which several asshats have said we won't do? And if NE wants JJM, then why trade with them at all? Let them take him, and then trade with AZ for Maye, since doing so would be much cheaper than trading with NE. Are we concerned that if we don't trade with NE that they might trade with MN? MN has likely offered #11, #23, and their #1 and #3 next year for #3. Beating that is going to require #6, #47, our #1 next year, and probably a player or two. How much are we willing to trade to move up for Maye?


I'm envisioning it as a trade up with AZ first for pick 70 or 107 plus 2025 2nd, then flipping a player to NE to move up one spot. I don't see Neal having enough value, only players that could make sense to me would be Hyatt or Thibs.

And I know people would wonder, why trade up with NE after getting to pick 4? All I can think of is honoring your word and maybe Wolf telling Schoen he really wants Maye, but Kraft wants JJM so at least he can get a good player to hedge Kraft's bet?
RE: Thanks for sharing, but I’m wondering why Pats  
Blue Dog : 4/22/2024 6:39 pm : link
In comment 16480204 Section331 said:
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would be involved at all in this scenario? If they want JJM, just take him 3rd, and the Giants and Cards can work out their own deal.


Because the Giants and Vikings are fighting over the QB they don't want and offering big price tags.
RE: RE: Thanks for sharing, but I’m wondering why Pats  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:40 pm : link
In comment 16480208 AcidTest said:
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would be involved at all in this scenario? If they want JJM, just take him 3rd, and the Giants and Cards can work out their own deal.



Agreed, unless it's because they feel that doing this deal can net them JJM and extra draft picks. That IMO is too risky when they deal involves a QB, but GMs are often stupid.


It wouldn't be risky if we traded up with AZ first, then NE.
RE: Thanks for sharing, but I’m wondering why Pats  
Sean : 4/22/2024 6:40 pm : link
In comment 16480204 Section331 said:
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would be involved at all in this scenario? If they want JJM, just take him 3rd, and the Giants and Cards can work out their own deal.

Because they very well might get an additional first next year.
RE: Actually this seems too complicated to not have some validity to it  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 6:41 pm : link
In comment 16480179 Blue21 said:
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My thought exactly.
Waller  
AcidTest : 4/22/2024 6:42 pm : link
is not going to be part of any deal. He is basically retired and therefore untradeable.
RE: RE: Thanks for sharing, but I’m wondering why Pats  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:42 pm : link
In comment 16480215 Sean said:
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would be involved at all in this scenario? If they want JJM, just take him 3rd, and the Giants and Cards can work out their own deal.


Because they very well might get an additional first next year.


Or Kayvon or at minimum Hyatt. I still think Schoen could get this done without trading 2025 1st or pick 47, but you're going to lose a promising young player.
RE: RE: RE: This  
bw in dc : 4/22/2024 6:43 pm : link
In comment 16480170 AcidTest said:
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I'd be stunned and pretty pissed if we traded KT. With Burns we now have a plausible pass rush, something that was basically nonexistent last year. Trading him would be idiotic. But I'm fine trading Neal and Ojulari.


Everyone not named Andrew Thomas should be expendable and available to trade.

KT is not LT.
BTW  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 6:43 pm : link
Pauline is on with Schmeelk and saying the same thing we've heard. Maye has to sit a season or you can "ruin" him. Pauline is saying this is what he's being told about Maye. But his upside is tremendous if you are patient for one season.
RE: RE: I proposed this a while back  
UberAlias : 4/22/2024 6:43 pm : link
In comment 16480172 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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It makes too much sense. Several people said wouldn’t happen because 3 way trades don’t happen. But again, it makes perfect sense for the three teams. It’s a win win win.



Ending with the Giants at 4, Cards at 5, and Chargers at 6?
Giants get Maye at 3, Pats get JJM at 4, and Az gets MHJ or Nabers at 6.
Pauline  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 6:44 pm : link
is saying Pats open to small trade down.
this is interesting  
Eric on Li : 4/22/2024 6:45 pm : link
complicated maybe but honestly makes sense all around - but only if NE and NYG are sure of who the other is picking.

i'd imagine it's something like 1 day 2 pick to each team, maybe 2 to ARI?

2 contributed by NYG (1x to each),
1 contributed by NE (to ARI).
RE: Waller  
jvm52106 : 4/22/2024 6:45 pm : link
In comment 16480217 AcidTest said:
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is not going to be part of any deal. He is basically retired and therefore untradeable.


Is he or is he trying to force his way out of NY.
Pauline  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 6:46 pm : link
says Denver really wants J.J. McCarthy.
RE: Could the surprise player be Neal? They need oline help.  
mfsd : 4/22/2024 6:46 pm : link
In comment 16480189 Blue21 said:
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I thought the same

I also agree with the poster above…if true, way too many loose lips in this org
RE: What sucks  
Mayo2JZ : 4/22/2024 6:47 pm : link
In comment 16480098 Jaenyg said:
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Is we couldn’t pull any of this shit in 2020 when we picked 4th.

Chargers and Dolphins got to just sit pat.


What sucks is that this kind of information is disseminated after a few drinks from some wahoo in the Giants organization. I don't want to know anything until they pick at 6. It just pisses me off that this information is getting out.
RE: RE: What sucks  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:48 pm : link
In comment 16480230 Mayo2JZ said:
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Is we couldn’t pull any of this shit in 2020 when we picked 4th.

Chargers and Dolphins got to just sit pat.



What sucks is that this kind of information is disseminated after a few drinks from some wahoo in the Giants organization. I don't want to know anything until they pick at 6. It just pisses me off that this information is getting out.


It's supposedly some wahoo brother of an executive lol, not the executive himself.
RE: This is what the dd in Mass poster has said as well  
Optimus-NY : 4/22/2024 6:49 pm : link
In comment 16480150 Sean said:
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He's talked about a 3 team trade essentially. I think this makes the most sense.

NYG - Maye
NE - McCarthy (plus picks)
ARI - Harrison/Nabers (plus picks)

It will be the most expensive for NYG.


Makes sense.
RE: RE: RE: Thanks for sharing, but I’m wondering why Pats  
AcidTest : 4/22/2024 6:50 pm : link
In comment 16480219 BleedBlue46 said:
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would be involved at all in this scenario? If they want JJM, just take him 3rd, and the Giants and Cards can work out their own deal.


Because they very well might get an additional first next year.



Or Kayvon or at minimum Hyatt. I still think Schoen could get this done without trading 2025 1st or pick 47, but you're going to lose a promising young player.


If you don't want to trade #47 or our #1 next year, we'd have to trade KT, Neal, Hyatt, and at least our #2 next year. I guess if we traded that many players, we'd be very attractive to UDFAs after the draft.
If the Giants really believe in Maye  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 6:51 pm : link
this makes sense, but just keep in mind that that will likely make this a 2 player draft.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/22/2024 6:51 pm : link
Watch Neal get traded & becomes an all Pro. It'd be so fitting.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Thanks for sharing, but I’m wondering why Pats  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:52 pm : link
In comment 16480237 AcidTest said:
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would be involved at all in this scenario? If they want JJM, just take him 3rd, and the Giants and Cards can work out their own deal.


Because they very well might get an additional first next year.



Or Kayvon or at minimum Hyatt. I still think Schoen could get this done without trading 2025 1st or pick 47, but you're going to lose a promising young player.



If you don't want to trade #47 or our #1 next year, we'd have to trade KT, Neal, Hyatt, and at least our #2 next year. I guess if we traded that many players, we'd be very attractive to UDFAs after the draft.


I think we could give AZ pick 70 or 107 and 2035 2nd, then NE Kayvon for their trouble. It's basically a free cheap quality edge rusher for 2-3 years and they get the same QB Kraft would have had them draft anyways.

We don't have to trade up with NE first, we could just trade up twice: once to 4 then to 3.
RE: If the Giants really believe in Maye  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/22/2024 6:52 pm : link
In comment 16480239 Eric from BBI said:
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this makes sense, but just keep in mind that that will likely make this a 2 player draft.


in which case @ least the hamster will be able to rest after a busy Thursday night.
RE: If the Giants really believe in Maye  
jvm52106 : 4/22/2024 6:53 pm : link
In comment 16480239 Eric from BBI said:
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this makes sense, but just keep in mind that that will likely make this a 2 player draft.


If we include players maybe not.. This trade would move NE and AZ back one pick each, Gmen jump up 2..

I am willing to give up what I need to for Maye..
RE: If the Giants really believe in Maye  
BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:53 pm : link
In comment 16480239 Eric from BBI said:
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this makes sense, but just keep in mind that that will likely make this a 2 player draft.


This could theoretically be done for pick 6, 70, 2025 2nd and Kayvon.
It jives well with all the other asshats  
widmerseyebrow : 4/22/2024 6:55 pm : link
EXCEPT GoDeep and Peppers (maybe). And even the Peppers tidbit could just be the fact that Maye is not unanimous at Giants HQ. What a crazy year.

Then factor in that GoDeep admits he was authorized.

My gut is telling me it's been Maye all along.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/22/2024 6:55 pm : link
KT? I don't see that. Even EA wouldn't include Osi in the Eli trade & Thibs has shown much more than Osi had @ that juncture.
I seriously  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/22/2024 6:55 pm : link
doubt Thibodeaux is on the table.
RE: RE: 3 way draft day trades are tough in NFL  
Blue Dog : 4/22/2024 6:55 pm : link
In comment 16480168 BleedBlue46 said:
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I'm sure they have happened, but I can't recall the last time one has.



Technically this could be done as just trading up twice, not really a 3 way trade. I've mentioned this as a likely scenario for a while now, but everytime I was told 0 chance it doesn't happen period end of story.


Since the Patriots need the Cardinals involved it is still one trade up. So the Patriots would end up with Giants draft picks and the Cardinals would end up with Patriot draft picks. Patriots are going down then back up, they're the ones moving twice.
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BleedBlue46 : 4/22/2024 6:56 pm : link
In comment 16480251 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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KT? I don't see that. Even EA wouldn't include Osi in the Eli trade & Thibs has shown much more than Osi had @ that juncture.


I wouldn't love it, but if they want Maye and maybe Aiyuk for Maye plus their 2025 1st. Then they gotta do what they gotta do.
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