Giants FINAL TOP 30 VISIT List(it is actually 35) as of 4/23

With Morgan, Paul, Beebe all on that list. Looks like the sweet spot for CB/S is round 3 or 4.

These are my general thoughts on the visits.

Dearth of WRs outside of projected first round sticks out like a sore thumb. Either we're going WR early or have a very clear idea of who we like later on and don't feel a need to bring them in.

DTs are quick twitch guys. "Untapped potential" players.

There seems to be a priority for physicality and aggressiveness over pure athleticism and technique at DB.

WR or QB will be the pick in 1st. OL / DB day 2. DT day 3.

that the BBI consensus of many posters has been that the Giants will trade up.

As I look at the Top 30 list, I clearly see 15-16 players that will be taken and off the board by pick 47.

Why would the Giants meet with so many top players with only having 2 picks in the top 47.

Based on the very high quality of talent in for Top 30s, my gut is telling me that we will be seeing trade down(s), and that the Giants hope to have more that 2 picks in the first two rounds.

In comment 16480877 Breeze_94 said:

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With Morgan, Paul, Beebe all on that list. Looks like the sweet spot for CB/S is round 3 or 4.

Paul and Beebe they might be hoping slip to them in the third at 70.

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that the BBI consensus of many posters has been that the Giants will trade up. As I look at the Top 30 list, I clearly see 15-16 players that will be taken and off the board by pick 47. Why would the Giants meet with so many top players with only having 2 picks in the top 47. Based on the very high quality of talent in for Top 30s, my gut is telling me that we will be seeing trade down(s), and that the Giants hope to have more that 2 picks in the first two rounds.

Or, it could break that way and they want to be prepared? They’ve met with every possible top 10 pick too.

Joe scenario plans. He won’t be unprepared for any outcome.

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that the BBI consensus of many posters has been that the Giants will trade up. As I look at the Top 30 list, I clearly see 15-16 players that will be taken and off the board by pick 47. Why would the Giants meet with so many top players with only having 2 picks in the top 47. Based on the very high quality of talent in for Top 30s, my gut is telling me that we will be seeing trade down(s), and that the Giants hope to have more that 2 picks in the first two rounds.

I personally hope you're right

This is the best resource we are going to have regarding who the Giants might pick if the they trade down and in later rounds

In comment 16480885 Y28 said:

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that the BBI consensus of many posters has been that the Giants will trade up. As I look at the Top 30 list, I clearly see 15-16 players that will be taken and off the board by pick 47. Why would the Giants meet with so many top players with only having 2 picks in the top 47. Based on the very high quality of talent in for Top 30s, my gut is telling me that we will be seeing trade down(s), and that the Giants hope to have more that 2 picks in the first two rounds.

I think you’re spot on … the trade up talk stuff is smoke for what they really want to do … they’ll take a QB at some point ( not #6) but concentrate on BPA for WR, TE, CB and DL. I don’t think they take an OL unless a real gem somehow falls into their lap. Thanks much for compiling and sharing this list.

then Cam Hart would be one, too.

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then Cam Hart would be one, too.

And Joe Alt

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then Cam Hart would be one, too.

Audric Estime is from Nyack, NY and went to High School at Saint Joseph Regional High School in Montvale, New Jersey. That's why. There's a few ways to qualify for a local pro day.

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In comment 16480961 logman said: Quote: then Cam Hart would be one, too. Audric Estime is from Nyack, NY and went to High School at Saint Joseph Regional High School in Montvale, New Jersey. That's why. There's a few ways to qualify for a local pro day.

Gotcha. Thanks. I wasn't aware that HS plays in, too. Good info!

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In comment 16480961 logman said: Quote: then Cam Hart would be one, too. And Joe Alt

Christian Mahogany is another one who went to the local pro day even though he went to Boston College. He's from Elmwood Park, New Jersey and went to Paramus Catholic.

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In comment 16480963 logman said: Quote: In comment 16480961 logman said: Quote: then Cam Hart would be one, too. And Joe Alt Christian Mahogany is another one who went to the local pro day even though he went to Boston College. He's from Elmwood Park, New Jersey and went to Paramus Catholic.

I'm barely up to speed tracking these guys' colleges, let alone HS.

Fantastic data gathering here

Interesting that they only had one WR outside of the big 3.

In comment 16480984 logman said:

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In comment 16480977 Blue Dog said: Quote: In comment 16480963 logman said: Quote: In comment 16480961 logman said: Quote: then Cam Hart would be one, too. And Joe Alt Christian Mahogany is another one who went to the local pro day even though he went to Boston College. He's from Elmwood Park, New Jersey and went to Paramus Catholic. I'm barely up to speed tracking these guys' colleges, let alone HS. Fantastic data gathering here

I can't take credit for these. Y28 pointed out Estime to me when the visit first happened and Mahogany I got from Art Stapleton.

is correct with his explanation.

To make up this year's list, I tried to see the terms used to describe players that I know were local.

Examples are Chris Mahogony of Boston College and CJ Hanson of Holy Cross. Both of those local players (and possibly a few others) will be drafted this weekend. However, any report I found about them visiting the Giants called it a local pro day visit on Thursday April 4th. So I have not included those names on the TOP 30.

With the five names that I have added to get to 35, all five would have qualified as a "local pro day" attendee, but trusted reporters and websites specifically called their time with the Giants as "Top 30 visits". Thus why I treated them differently.

Just wanted to clarify how I finalized this years list.

Excellent work, Y28.

Given that they've drafted 7(IIRC) guys from the two previous lists, safe to bet at least a couple of those names will Giants

but that is pie in the sky.

that is trying to tie the Giants interest in players to actual visits at the Giants facility, you can expand your list to 41 by adding the following players:

Confirmed "likely draftable" players at Giants 4/4 local Pro Day

36. Christian Mahogony, OG Boston College
37. CJ Hanson, OL Holy Cross
38. Mohamed Kamara, Edge Colorado State
39. Kalen King, CB Penn State
40. Javontae Jean-Baptiste, Edge Notre Dame

Reported on only 1 site (Walters Football) as a TOP 30 that I DID NOT include because I couldn't find it reported anywhere else, but a player that will definitely be drafted.

41. Braden Fiske, DT Florida State

Remember that last year the Giants drafted 4 of the players that actually came to the Giants facility for a pre draft visit. Though my final list above is of 35 players, probably makes sense to monitor all 41 this weekend.

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is correct with his explanation. To make up this year's list, I tried to see the terms used to describe players that I know were local. Examples are Chris Mahogony of Boston College and CJ Hanson of Holy Cross. Both of those local players (and possibly a few others) will be drafted this weekend. However, any report I found about them visiting the Giants called it a local pro day visit on Thursday April 4th. So I have not included those names on the TOP 30. With the five names that I have added to get to 35, all five would have qualified as a "local pro day" attendee, but trusted reporters and websites specifically called their time with the Giants as "Top 30 visits". Thus why I treated them differently. Just wanted to clarify how I finalized this years list.

Yeah it can be very tricky sometimes, and appreciate the efforts. It is also made messy since they can do both the local pro day and then a Top 30, especially if there are medical concerns. Then there is something like Max Melton's attendance at the local pro day where he didn't even workout, they just invited him to meet with him.

at The Athletic has just posted what he knows about the Top 30 Giants visits.

It is a paid website, but I will say his list very closely resembles what we have posted.

Here is some solid information from his article that I will post:

"Local visits for prominent prospects are identical to the “30” visits, except for the stipulation that the team can’t provide transportation to and from the facility for local visitors.

Washington quarterback Michael Penix, Alabama edge rusher Dallas Turner and Washington State cornerback Chau Smith-Wade have been widely reported as visitors, but sources said those prospects didn’t visit.

Turner, who is a projected top-10 pick, canceled his planned visit after the Giants traded for edge rusher Brian Burns, according to a league source. Penix told ESPN after his pro day he planned to visit the Giants, but that didn’t take place. The Giants still spent plenty of time with Penix, who could be an option later in the first round or in the second round. Schoen, Brown, Daboll, Kafka, Tierney and director of player personnel Tim McDonnell met with Penix after Washington’s pro day".

I can't imagine the Giants NOT using all 30 of the allowed visits. Stands to reason that a few players that were official TOP 30s have not been reported.

For those with an Athletic subscription, the full article is below
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Based on the very high quality of talent in for Top 30s, my gut is telling me that we will be seeing trade down(s), and that the Giants hope to have more that 2 picks in the first two rounds.

This is Great work here, and it does make sense if they trade back in the 1st. Possibly trade back in the 1st and trade up in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. Could see 4-5 players from this list.

here's the list by consensus draft rank:

#2 Drake Maye, QB North Carolina
#4 Jayden Daniels, QB LSU
#3 Marvin Harrison Jr., WR Ohio St
#5 Malik Nabers, WR LSU
#6 Rome Odunze, WR Washington
#7 J.J. McCarthy, QB Michigan
#8 Joe Alt, OT Notre Dame
#9. Dallas Turner, Edge Alabama

#27 Chop Robinson, Edge Penn State (LOCAL)
#24 Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB Alabama (likely MEDICAL - jones fracture)
#25 Jer'Zhan (Johnny) Newton, DT Illinois (likely MEDICAL - jones fracture)

#31 Michael Penix, Jr., QB Washington
#35 Bo Nix, QB Oregon
#36 Jordan Morgan, OL Arizon
#48 Tyler Nubin, S Minnesota
#59 Trey Benson, RB Florida St
#60 Cooper Beebe, OG Kansas St
#61 Max Melton, CB Rutgers (LOCAL)
#65 Adisa Isaac, Edge Penn State (LOCAL)
#70 Jayden Hicks, S Washington St
#72 Patrick Paul, OT Houston (rumored to be going end of round 1)
#76 Spencer Rattler, QB South Carolina
#81 Andru Phillips, CB Kentucky
#82 Maason Smith, DT LSU
#90 Ben Sinnott, TE Kansas St
#94 Theo Johnson, TE Penn St (LOCAL)

#108 Cam Hart, CB Notre Dame
#121 Audric Estime, RB Notre Dame (LOCAL)
#160 Kristian Boyd, DT Northern Iowa
#186 Tyrice Knight, LB UTEP
#188 Chau Smith-Wade, CB Washington St
#202 Evan Williams, DB Oregon
#249 Chigozie Anusiem, CB Colorado St
#345 Giovanni Manu, OT Univ of British Columbia
#359 Pheldarius Payne, DT Virginia Tech
#425 Tejhaun Palmer, WR UAB

i see a team expecting to make 1 top 10 pick,
medically checking 2 first round picks who could fall due to jones fractures (tricky injury),
ready to shop the full range of day 2 picks,
and doing work on some lesser known day 3 dart throw types (like Hawkins last year).

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As I look at the Top 30 list, I clearly see 15-16 players that will be taken and off the board by pick 47. Why would the Giants meet with so many top players with only having 2 picks in the top 47.

You're probably right. Another reason for the visits might be that front office recognizes that a lot of these guys are at some point going to hit free agency (or get cut) so maybe they look at this as an opportunity to assess the personalities of these players with an eye to determining whether they'd be a good fit.

Obviously, I have precisely zero evidence to support this theory, but it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.

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In comment 16480885 Y28 said: Quote: As I look at the Top 30 list, I clearly see 15-16 players that will be taken and off the board by pick 47. Why would the Giants meet with so many top players with only having 2 picks in the top 47. You're probably right. Another reason for the visits might be that front office recognizes that a lot of these guys are at some point going to hit free agency (or get cut) so maybe they look at this as an opportunity to assess the personalities of these players with an eye to determining whether they'd be a good fit. Obviously, I have precisely zero evidence to support this theory, but it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility.

I think it might because its really important to get pick 6 and 47 correct, so you invest heavily on players you think will be there. Also you may not like it, but there is potential trade downs which means more picks in this area so you need to do your research so you know how much that trade package is actually worth.

He actually reminds me of McKinney in ways.

Would like to see us go a different position there, possibly WR if we don’t take one in round 1 but we shall see what happens. Nubin might not be there but then again I didn’t think McKinney would fall out of round 1 either. I like Melton too.

Maason Smith at 70? The DT group might look good in between 47 and 70

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here's the list by consensus draft rank: #2 Drake Maye, QB North Carolina #4 Jayden Daniels, QB LSU #3 Marvin Harrison Jr., WR Ohio St #5 Malik Nabers, WR LSU #6 Rome Odunze, WR Washington #7 J.J. McCarthy, QB Michigan #8 Joe Alt, OT Notre Dame #9. Dallas Turner, Edge Alabama #27 Chop Robinson, Edge Penn State (LOCAL) #24 Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB Alabama (likely MEDICAL - jones fracture) #25 Jer'Zhan (Johnny) Newton, DT Illinois (likely MEDICAL - jones fracture) #31 Michael Penix, Jr., QB Washington #35 Bo Nix, QB Oregon #36 Jordan Morgan, OL Arizon #48 Tyler Nubin, S Minnesota #59 Trey Benson, RB Florida St #60 Cooper Beebe, OG Kansas St #61 Max Melton, CB Rutgers (LOCAL) #65 Adisa Isaac, Edge Penn State (LOCAL) #70 Jayden Hicks, S Washington St #72 Patrick Paul, OT Houston (rumored to be going end of round 1) #76 Spencer Rattler, QB South Carolina #81 Andru Phillips, CB Kentucky #82 Maason Smith, DT LSU #90 Ben Sinnott, TE Kansas St #94 Theo Johnson, TE Penn St (LOCAL) #108 Cam Hart, CB Notre Dame #121 Audric Estime, RB Notre Dame (LOCAL) #160 Kristian Boyd, DT Northern Iowa #186 Tyrice Knight, LB UTEP #188 Chau Smith-Wade, CB Washington St #202 Evan Williams, DB Oregon #249 Chigozie Anusiem, CB Colorado St #345 Giovanni Manu, OT Univ of British Columbia #359 Pheldarius Payne, DT Virginia Tech #425 Tejhaun Palmer, WR UAB i see a team expecting to make 1 top 10 pick, medically checking 2 first round picks who could fall due to jones fractures (tricky injury), ready to shop the full range of day 2 picks, and doing work on some lesser known day 3 dart throw types (like Hawkins last year).

Trade of a 3rd. Trade back in the 2nd.

work! Thanks.

another name of OL's that the Giants have expressed interest:

Tanner Phifer
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🚨@SDCoyotesFB OL Isaac Erbes has been contacted by the #Dolphins, #Vikings, #Texans, #Giants, #Falcons, and #Browns, per a league source.

Half a dozen teams have him on their radar, standing at 6'5", 329 lbs, the film is impressive.

Interesting. It seems we are determined to take 1 in the top 10, not planning to trade the #6 spot down out of the top 10. And we are fully prepared to trade the #47 up or down cause there are not many players around that range, but quite a few in the 30s and 60s.

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here's the list by consensus draft rank: #2 Drake Maye, QB North Carolina #4 Jayden Daniels, QB LSU #3 Marvin Harrison Jr., WR Ohio St #5 Malik Nabers, WR LSU #6 Rome Odunze, WR Washington #7 J.J. McCarthy, QB Michigan #8 Joe Alt, OT Notre Dame #9. Dallas Turner, Edge Alabama #27 Chop Robinson, Edge Penn State (LOCAL) #24 Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB Alabama (likely MEDICAL - jones fracture) #25 Jer'Zhan (Johnny) Newton, DT Illinois (likely MEDICAL - jones fracture) #31 Michael Penix, Jr., QB Washington #35 Bo Nix, QB Oregon #36 Jordan Morgan, OL Arizon #48 Tyler Nubin, S Minnesota #59 Trey Benson, RB Florida St #60 Cooper Beebe, OG Kansas St #61 Max Melton, CB Rutgers (LOCAL) #65 Adisa Isaac, Edge Penn State (LOCAL) #70 Jayden Hicks, S Washington St #72 Patrick Paul, OT Houston (rumored to be going end of round 1) #76 Spencer Rattler, QB South Carolina #81 Andru Phillips, CB Kentucky #82 Maason Smith, DT LSU #90 Ben Sinnott, TE Kansas St #94 Theo Johnson, TE Penn St (LOCAL) #108 Cam Hart, CB Notre Dame #121 Audric Estime, RB Notre Dame (LOCAL) #160 Kristian Boyd, DT Northern Iowa #186 Tyrice Knight, LB UTEP #188 Chau Smith-Wade, CB Washington St #202 Evan Williams, DB Oregon #249 Chigozie Anusiem, CB Colorado St #345 Giovanni Manu, OT Univ of British Columbia #359 Pheldarius Payne, DT Virginia Tech #425 Tejhaun Palmer, WR UAB i see a team expecting to make 1 top 10 pick, medically checking 2 first round picks who could fall due to jones fractures (tricky injury), ready to shop the full range of day 2 picks, and doing work on some lesser known day 3 dart throw types (like Hawkins last year).

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Interesting. It seems we are determined to take 1 in the top 10, not planning to trade the #6 spot down out of the top 10. And we are fully prepared to trade the #47 up or down cause there are not many players around that range, but quite a few in the 30s and 60s.

i would be pretty surprised if we dont see them do at least 1 move similar to a few years ago on day 2 where they slid down a few times to pick up an extra 4th and another day 3 pick. #47 probably the best bet for where that happens just bc its the pick with most value.

Superb job tracking and updating this. Very informative.

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Superb job tracking and updating this. Very informative.

bw this enough for u to trust my den scoops?
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=645748&show_all=1#16479735 - ( New Window )

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In comment 16482376 bw in dc said: Quote: Superb job tracking and updating this. Very informative. bw this enough for u to trust my den scoops? https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=645748&show_all=1#16479735 - ( New Window )

What am I looking at? Do I question something you did?

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In comment 16482406 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 16482376 bw in dc said: Quote: Superb job tracking and updating this. Very informative. bw this enough for u to trust my den scoops? https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=645748&show_all=1#16479735 - ( New Window ) What am I looking at? Do I question something you did?

only what ive told you about the 2019 draft like a dozen times. look at quoted post i linked, i had the zach wilson trade on bbi a month ago.

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only what ive told you about the 2019 draft like a dozen times. look at quoted post i linked, i had the zach wilson trade on bbi a month ago.

You'll never convince me of Elway's interest in Jones, but you certainly called predicted the Wilson to Denver move. Well done. ;)

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In comment 16482427 Eric on Li said: Quote: only what ive told you about the 2019 draft like a dozen times. look at quoted post i linked, i had the zach wilson trade on bbi a month ago. You'll never convince me of Elway's interest in Jones, but you certainly called predicted the Wilson to Denver move. Well done. ;)

i figured convincing you is off the table but maybe hold a beat on things that may be possible (and in that case were publicly reported) even if you believe strongly something else.

Over the last several years how many of our draft picks were from our top 30 visits?

Btw- great job as always. Thanks.

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Over the last several years how many of our draft picks were from our top 30 visits? Btw- great job as always. Thanks.

both years half of their picks have been from visit lists.

last year banks, jms, hyatt, hawkins.

in 2022 thibs, neal, flott and i think post-draft belton, bellinger, ezeudu, and davidson said they'd all visited as well (but hadnt been reported ahead of time).

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In comment 16483065 DeVito32 said: Quote: Over the last several years how many of our draft picks were from our top 30 visits? Btw- great job as always. Thanks. both years half of their picks have been from visit lists. last year banks, jms, hyatt, hawkins. in 2022 thibs, neal, flott and i think post-draft belton, bellinger, ezeudu, and davidson said they'd all visited as well (but hadnt been reported ahead of time).

Thanks Eric!

6. Spencer Rattler, QB South Carolina
10.Tejhaun Palmer, WR UAB
11.Trey Benson, RB Florida St
12.Audric Estime, RB Notre Dame (LOCAL)
12.Ben Sinnott, TE Kansas St
13.Theo Johnson, TE Penn St (LOCAL)
15. Giovanni Manu, OT Univ of British Columbia
16. Cooper Beebe, OG Kansas St
18. Patrick Paul, OT Houston
19. Adisa Isaac, Edge Penn State (LOCAL)
22. Kristian Boyd, DT Northern Iowa
23. Maason Smith, DT LSU
24. Jer'Zhan (Johnny) Newton, DT Illinois
25. Pheldarius Payne, DT Virginia Tech
26. Tyrice Knight, LB UTEP
27. Chau Smith-Wade, CB Washington St
28. Max Melton, CB Rutgers (LOCAL)
29. Andru Phillips, CB Kentucky
30. Evan Williams, DB Oregon
31. Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB Alabama
32. Chigozie Anusiem, CB Colorado St
33. Cam Hart, CB Notre Dame
34. Jayden Hicks, S Washington St
35. Tyler Nubin, S Minnesota

Some interesting names for sure.

ranks are from consensus big board.

#24 Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB Alabama (likely MEDICAL - jones fracture)
#25 Jer'Zhan (Johnny) Newton, DT Illinois (likely MEDICAL - jones fracture)

#48 Tyler Nubin, S Minnesota
#59 Trey Benson, RB Florida St
#60 Cooper Beebe, OG Kansas St
#61 Max Melton, CB Rutgers (LOCAL)
#65 Adisa Isaac, Edge Penn State (LOCAL)
#70 Jayden Hicks, S Washington St
#72 Patrick Paul, OT Houston
#76 Spencer Rattler, QB South Carolina
#81 Andru Phillips, CB Kentucky
#82 Maason Smith, DT LSU
#90 Ben Sinnott, TE Kansas St
#94 Theo Johnson, TE Penn St (LOCAL)

#108 Cam Hart, CB Notre Dame
#121 Audric Estime, RB Notre Dame (LOCAL)

Some good prospects at those spots are still there too. Offense heavy first pushing guys down a bit. Melton would be fun but a few of those DL are exciting too.

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Some good prospects at those spots are still there too. Offense heavy first pushing guys down a bit. Melton would be fun but a few of those DL are exciting too.

totally agree andy.

melton or sanristril or nubin or phillips or hart
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jenkins or newton or fiske or dorlus or orhoro

would go a long way to helping the defense. can never have enough DL or DBs.

for cross referencing with Sy's list.

I could see a trade up in the third round similar to the deal for Hyatt. Schoen gets antsy when players he wants are hanging out there. A trade up of more than a slot or two would be too costly in the 2d round

Make a lot of sense.

any clues for today? Who's left?

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any clues for today? Who's left?

#76 Spencer Rattler, QB South Carolina
#94 Theo Johnson, TE Penn St (LOCAL)

#100 Mohamed Kamara, Edge Colorado State (LOCAL)
#102 Christian Mahogony, OG Boston College (LOCAL)

#108 Cam Hart, CB Notre Dame
#121 Audric Estime, RB Notre Dame (LOCAL)
#160 Kristian Boyd, DT Northern Iowa
#165 Kalen King, CB Penn State (LOCAL)
#186 Tyrice Knight, LB UTEP
#188 Chau Smith-Wade, CB Washington St
#202 Evan Williams, DB Oregon
#243 Javontae Jean-Baptiste, Edge Notre Dame (LOCAL)
#249 Chigozie Anusiem, CB Colorado St
#293 CJ Hanson, OL Holy Cross (LOCAL)
#345 Giovanni Manu, OT Univ of British Columbia
#359 Pheldarius Payne, DT Virginia Tech
#425 Tejhaun Palmer, WR UAB