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Brock Bowers

Andy in Boston : 4/23/2024 8:56 am
Why is not 1 draft “expert” or pundit not talking about Bowers to the Giants ?
I don’t think I’ve seen 1 mock with Bowers.

If you think about it - if they don’t go QB, it makes a ton of sense… especially on a trade down. Thoughts ?
Two words  
UberAlias : 4/23/2024 8:58 am : link
Positional value.

We saw that in play during FA.
Because our needs  
jvm52106 : 4/23/2024 9:00 am : link
are elsewhere and though TE is pretty useful and for many teams a weapon, in Daboll's offense, even with the Bills they found TE's later in the draft (Knox I believe was a 3rd pick). We can't go for a TE in RD 1 right now based on our overall needs at more critical areas.
Absolutely not  
Mike from Ohio : 4/23/2024 9:06 am : link
Who was the last TE drafted at the top of the first round who had any impact on making his team better? I can't think of a single one.
RE: Absolutely not  
Reale01 : 4/23/2024 9:09 am : link
In comment 16481148 Mike from Ohio said:
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Who was the last TE drafted at the top of the first round who had any impact on making his team better? I can't think of a single one.


I think the OP meant if we trade down.
I’ve thought about it and it doesn’t make any sense  
UConn4523 : 4/23/2024 9:10 am : link
TEs have a fairly high bust rate and low positional value. Probably the only player taken at 6 I’d have a problem with.
A trade down makes it a conversation  
UConn4523 : 4/23/2024 9:13 am : link
but still depends where. If there’s a QB or WR on the board you have to prioritize that.
Would add Bowers before any defensive player. But he would  
ThomasG : 4/23/2024 9:15 am : link
also be at the near bottom of offensive players this team should add in top half of Rd1.
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christian : 4/23/2024 9:15 am : link
I think it comes down to whether Waller was an opportunity or a strategy.

If the offensive thesis is build around a tight end that can easily move to the slot or outside, and make transitioning from 12 to 11 personnel an on demand decision in effect, then I think Bowers would certainly be in play after a slight trade down.

The positional value argument really starts to thin out around pick 10 with a 4/21.8M slot. 5M AAV is a very fair price for a good tight end.
The Giants pick is too high  
illmatic : 4/23/2024 9:17 am : link
So it’s not happening unless they trade down a bit. And I think teams are a little shy about taking a tight end in the top ten. Kyle Pitts was supposed to be a game breaker and was talked about as the next big thing when he was drafted. He hasn’t exactly set the league on fire.
RE: RE: Absolutely not  
nochance : 4/23/2024 9:25 am : link
In comment 16481155 Reale01 said:
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In comment 16481148 Mike from Ohio said:


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Who was the last TE drafted at the top of the first round who had any impact on making his team better? I can't think of a single one.



I think the OP meant if we trade down.



In the teens maybe but no way in the top 10
 
christian : 4/23/2024 9:25 am : link
Pitts was a 1K, 15 YPC the one year he played with a professional quarterback. I'm pretty bullish on his prospects this year.
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Dnew15 : 4/23/2024 9:34 am : link
In comment 16481202 christian said:
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Pitts was a 1K, 15 YPC the one year he played with a professional quarterback. I'm pretty bullish on his prospects this year.


Yeah - I’m with you on that - BUT up to this point, his career has been a massive disappointment.
I'm a dawgs fan  
Ned In Atlanta : 4/23/2024 9:35 am : link
And I love bowers. But if they trade down I'd rather have one of the CBs or Byron Murphy. Or even an OL.
I'd take him if he could also fill in at Right Tackle.  
Marty in Albany : 4/23/2024 9:39 am : link
;-)
RE: The Giants pick is too high  
Andy in Boston : 4/23/2024 9:48 am : link
In comment 16481175 illmatic said:
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So it’s not happening unless they trade down a bit. And I think teams are a little shy about taking a tight end in the top ten. Kyle Pitts was supposed to be a game breaker and was talked about as the next big thing when he was drafted. He hasn’t exactly set the league on fire.


all about how you use him. Read Sy's comments on Bowers.
Pitts doesn't have a QB or isn't being used correctly. I'mn not saying I'm a proponent of drafting Bowers....but he is an elite player and I think he can play WR. He's the kind of player you change your offense for to feature him.
RE: …  
cosmicj : 4/23/2024 9:53 am : link
In comment 16481202 christian said:
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Pitts was a 1K, 15 YPC the one year he played with a professional quarterback. I'm pretty bullish on his prospects this year.


I think Pitts looks like a very good TE but the Falcons have won 7 games each season he’s been on the team and his statistical results are totally unimpressive. Slayton has had a decisively bigger impact on their offense than Pitts.

TEs don’t matter in the passing game.
Bowers  
Archer : 4/23/2024 10:15 am : link
I am not a proponent of drafting Bowers unless there is a trade-down.

The TE position is morphing and becoming a more significant part of offenses.

If you look at the really good teams most of them have premiere TEs.

The TE has become the red zone threat, the security blanket, the short-yardage target, and the match-up nightmare for CBs and safeties.

They can dictate coverages open the field for the X Y and slot receivers, and help in pass protection and run blocking.

The caveat is that the TE must be versatile and have exceptional traits. I don't know if Bowers can be that player.
he's not really a TE, he's a tweener  
Victor in CT : 4/23/2024 10:37 am : link
been there done that.
If you really have to ask this question  
bLiTz 2k : 4/23/2024 10:52 am : link
You really are out of touch with football.


No offense.
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ChrisRick : 4/23/2024 11:56 am : link
In comment 16481272 cosmicj said:
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In comment 16481202 christian said:


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Pitts was a 1K, 15 YPC the one year he played with a professional quarterback. I'm pretty bullish on his prospects this year.



I think Pitts looks like a very good TE but the Falcons have won 7 games each season he’s been on the team and his statistical results are totally unimpressive. Slayton has had a decisively bigger impact on their offense than Pitts.

TEs don’t matter in the passing game.


Tight Ends don't matter in the passing game? This seems like a very shallow observation.
TE matters in the passing game  
Dnew15 : 4/23/2024 11:58 am : link
The problem with TE from a drafting perspective is that they are REALLY difficult to project how they will perform in the nfl.

The great ones are rarely drafted early .
I wouldn’t have a problem taking him  
jeff57 : 4/23/2024 11:59 am : link
I think he’s going to be a good one.
RE: RE: The Giants pick is too high  
Mike from Ohio : 4/23/2024 12:11 pm : link
In comment 16481256 Andy in Boston said:
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In comment 16481175 illmatic said:


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So it’s not happening unless they trade down a bit. And I think teams are a little shy about taking a tight end in the top ten. Kyle Pitts was supposed to be a game breaker and was talked about as the next big thing when he was drafted. He hasn’t exactly set the league on fire.



all about how you use him. Read Sy's comments on Bowers.
Pitts doesn't have a QB or isn't being used correctly. I'mn not saying I'm a proponent of drafting Bowers....but he is an elite player and I think he can play WR. He's the kind of player you change your offense for to feature him.


If we draft Bowers this year he also isn't going to have a QB.
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