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Raanan: Giants looking to trade up for Maye

bigblue5611 : 4/23/2024 11:30 am
Not that this is breaking news considering all we've heard/seen lately, but just another report of looking to trade up for Maye...


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🚨🚨🚨 The latest Breaking Big Blue:

The #Giants are at least looking to trade up. The belief is it’s for UNC QB Drake Maye. 👀
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haha  
Sy'56 : 4/23/2024 11:54 am : link
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RE: haha  
bigblue5611 : 4/23/2024 11:55 am : link
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RE: RE: I think this 3-team type trade between  
mphbullet36 : 4/23/2024 11:58 am : link
In comment 16481528 JoeyBigBlue said:
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giants, pats, and cards makes a lot of sense for all 3 parties.

Pats want JJM
Giants want Maye
Cardinals want an elite WR and compensated to moved dowm.

This also boxes out a team like Minnesota from trading up.\

Now this all is predicated on Pats liking JJM over Maye (which is possible) and the Cardinals turning down a lucrative offer from the Vikings because they know they can't fall back too far knowing Giants and Pats will pick QB's and they will get either MHjr or Nabers.





Wolf pulling a Ossenfort last year and trading down to 6 and then moving up to 4 to land JJ, might be possible. Of course they can just stay at 3 and draft JJ, but I’m sure they would want another 1st for next year if they would trade down.



I don't think at this point its a surprise on who the teams want or at least what they are trying to do...if the Giants are having convos with Pats they obviously are talking about iterations about who they will pick.

If Giants know pats like JJM more and pats know Giants like Drake Maye more they obviously can execute a trade.

Also if the Giants and Pats know the Cardinals want to secure one of the top WR's...that means they really can't trade much past #6...

so basically by divulging all this info to each other pats and cards get the players they want and get extra draft capital to do it. Giants get there QB...and they box out the Vikings from trading up.
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AcidTest : 4/23/2024 11:58 am : link
other news, water is wet.

That the Giants have been trying to move up for Maye has been known for weeks.
RE: RE: RE: I think this 3-team type trade between  
mphbullet36 : 4/23/2024 12:00 pm : link
In comment 16481547 BleedBlue46 said:
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giants, pats, and cards makes a lot of sense for all 3 parties.

Pats want JJM
Giants want Maye
Cardinals want an elite WR and compensated to moved dowm.

This also boxes out a team like Minnesota from trading up.\

Now this all is predicated on Pats liking JJM over Maye (which is possible) and the Cardinals turning down a lucrative offer from the Vikings because they know they can't fall back too far knowing Giants and Pats will pick QB's and they will get either MHjr or Nabers.





Wolf pulling a Ossenfort last year and trading down to 6 and then moving up to 4 to land JJ, might be possible. Of course they can just stay at 3 and draft JJ, but I’m sure they would want another 1st for next year if they would trade down.



I don't think it would be NE moving down. I think it would be either a true 3 team trade at once or we would move up to 4 then to 3.


Yeah I think all 3 teams (after the first two picks go - pretty much locked to be Williams and Daniels).

Once that happens the wheels can start turning. I don't think Pats agree to a trade down without basically guaranteeing they get JJM. The only way that woudl happen is if they knew they could only move down to #4 with Cardinals out of fear Vikings or DEN could trade up with Cardinals...

So all 3 teams would have to agree on the deal and the Giants basically have to tell pats they won't pick JJM.

If  
AcidTest : 4/23/2024 12:01 pm : link
the Giants really want to do this, then they should only deal directly with NE. I would offer Neal, Ojulari, and our #1 next year. Might throw in Slayton.
RE: If  
M.S. : 4/23/2024 12:06 pm : link
In comment 16481563 AcidTest said:
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the Giants really want to do this, then they should only deal directly with NE. I would offer Neal, Ojulari, and our #1 next year. Might throw in Slayton.

Having a hard time believing Evan Neal and Azzez Ojulari represent much of an enticement.
once you see all these outlets saying a team is trying to trade up  
djm : 4/23/2024 12:08 pm : link
I think it means it's 100% truth. Whether it's for Maye remains to be seen, I could still see teams not being forthright about the player they want, nor do I see teams even disclosing the player they may want, but a trade up in the works? You can't really hide those intensions. I do believe NYG are trying to move up. And it's obviously for a QB.
Two more days  
jeff57 : 4/23/2024 12:10 pm : link
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RE: all signs  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/23/2024 12:11 pm : link
In comment 16481491 Eric from BBI said:
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point to Maye being the QB the Giants covet (given that Williams and Daniels will be off the board).

Can they get it done? That's not a given.


It's weird that GoDeep got fed false info, if so.
RE: If they believe in Maye  
djm : 4/23/2024 12:12 pm : link
In comment 16481509 JoeyBigBlue said:
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I’m all for it. I think he has all the requisite for a franchise QB, size, mobility, and cannon arm. Of course he has flaws, poor footwork and decision making, but I think with proper coaching his upside can be reached.

I don’t want to give up next year’s first, but if it has to be done it should be done. Also if it were for McCarthy, I would not support a trade up. I firmly believe his ceiling isn’t anywhere near as highs.


Going from 6 to 3 isn't "quite" the same as going from 4 to 1, but it does require hopping over 3 slots and it does involve a QB at 3, so essentially it's pretty damn close to what NYG did for Eli. And we you all know we paid the future first.

NO way in hell should we give up 24 second rounder AND a future first, that's over the line in my view. One or the other, and mid round picks and let's go to work. If NE was smart they'd probably take the 2025 first.
RE: RE: Raanan also saying ARI doesn't want to go past 6  
GFAN52 : 4/23/2024 12:12 pm : link
In comment 16481524 Eric from BBI said:
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Sounds like he is reading BBI.


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RE: haha  
barens : 4/23/2024 12:12 pm : link
In comment 16481549 Sy'56 said:
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I assume this is to the people who think all signs point to Maye?
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BleedBlue46 : 4/23/2024 12:13 pm : link
In comment 16481563 AcidTest said:
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the Giants really want to do this, then they should only deal directly with NE. I would offer Neal, Ojulari, and our #1 next year. Might throw in Slayton.


I think the cost could be cheaper if you make the move as a 3 team trade or first go up to pick 4 then to pick 3.
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BleedBlue46 : 4/23/2024 12:14 pm : link
In comment 16481585 barens said:
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I assume this is to the people who think all signs point to Maye?


My guess is he's just laughing at Raanan reporting obvious stuff and potentially using BBI as his source lol
RE: once you see all these outlets saying a team is trying to trade up  
Essex : 4/23/2024 12:14 pm : link
In comment 16481572 djm said:
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I think it means it's 100% truth. Whether it's for Maye remains to be seen, I could still see teams not being forthright about the player they want, nor do I see teams even disclosing the player they may want, but a trade up in the works? You can't really hide those intensions. I do believe NYG are trying to move up. And it's obviously for a QB.


i think the trade up stuff is also genuine because in order to trade up you have to contact people outside your circle of trust who will leak things for there interest or because they simply do not care to keep your intentions secret for whatever reasons they have.
RE: If  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/23/2024 12:15 pm : link
In comment 16481563 AcidTest said:
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the Giants really want to do this, then they should only deal directly with NE. I would offer Neal, Ojulari, and our #1 next year. Might throw in Slayton.


Then NE won't move and just take McCarthy. Or they will trade down with the Vikings and take Penix.
RE: Another QB from  
cokeduplt : 4/23/2024 12:15 pm : link
In comment 16481517 eric2425ny said:
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a basketball school. Maybe we got the bad luck out of the way with Dave Brown and Jones? Third times a charm as they say.


Where did Phil Simms play? Shit, where did Patrick Mahomes play? Stop the helmet scouting nonsense.
RE: I think this 3-team type trade between  
Optimus-NY : 4/23/2024 12:16 pm : link
In comment 16481495 mphbullet36 said:
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giants, pats, and cards makes a lot of sense for all 3 parties.

Pats want JJM
Giants want Maye
Cardinals want an elite WR and compensated to moved dowm.

This also boxes out a team like Minnesota from trading up.\

Now this all is predicated on Pats liking JJM over Maye (which is possible) and the Cardinals turning down a lucrative offer from the Vikings because they know they can't fall back too far knowing Giants and Pats will pick QB's and they will get either MHjr or Nabers.



These three clubs have aligned interests. giants will have to pay the most though.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/23/2024 12:17 pm : link
In comment 16481580 sb from NYT Forum said:
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point to Maye being the QB the Giants covet (given that Williams and Daniels will be off the board).

Can they get it done? That's not a given.



It's weird that GoDeep got fed false info, if so.


What did GoDeep actually say? Because if you read all of his comments on that thread, it really isn't clear at all.
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Optimus-NY : 4/23/2024 12:17 pm : link
In comment 16481515 Eric from BBI said:
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still don't know who the Commanders are taking however.


Daniels. Prettyrickey213 confirmed it!!
RE: If  
djm : 4/23/2024 12:18 pm : link
In comment 16481563 AcidTest said:
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the Giants really want to do this, then they should only deal directly with NE. I would offer Neal, Ojulari, and our #1 next year. Might throw in Slayton.


You may see one player go but the Pats don't want average players making money, guys like Slayton won't do shit for them. They want cheap and / or draft picks. Neal, I guess maybe but he isn't moving the needle.

Next year's first and mid rounder along with this year's 3rd rounder and 6 overall. Same as 04 for Eli. Swap out a mid rounder for a guy like NEal or Ojulari, maybe...
I'm having a serious case of confirmation bias here.  
Tom in NY : 4/23/2024 12:22 pm : link
Have wanted Maye since the season ended....so through that prism this seems to be the truth.

I hope reality will not come and smack me in the head Thursday evening.
RE: RE: I'm hoping this is a smoke screen  
JohnG in Albany : 4/23/2024 12:24 pm : link
In comment 16481488 bigblue5611 said:
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and they want McCarthy. You know.. a winner.



I'd certainly be fine with Maye, but of the two I would prefer McCarthy...


I have no strong opinion on Maye, but Mahomes wasn't all that much of a winner at Texas Tech.
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AcidTest : 4/23/2024 12:25 pm : link
In comment 16481586 BleedBlue46 said:
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the Giants really want to do this, then they should only deal directly with NE. I would offer Neal, Ojulari, and our #1 next year. Might throw in Slayton.



I think the cost could be cheaper if you make the move as a 3 team trade or first go up to pick 4 then to pick 3.


Maybe, but the extra moving parts from adding a second team would concern me. I'd also like to limit the total number of picks given up. Our #1 next year might well be a top 10 pick.
Trying to keep myself  
IchabodGiant : 4/23/2024 12:26 pm : link
from getting too excited, especially since things are so fluid. But the thought Maye could be in Giants blue Thursday night, ending the long national nightmare of Daniel Jones, is awfully exciting.
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GFAN52 : 4/23/2024 12:30 pm : link
In comment 16481608 AcidTest said:
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the Giants really want to do this, then they should only deal directly with NE. I would offer Neal, Ojulari, and our #1 next year. Might throw in Slayton.



I think the cost could be cheaper if you make the move as a 3 team trade or first go up to pick 4 then to pick 3.



Maybe, but the extra moving parts from adding a second team would concern me. I'd also like to limit the total number of picks given up. Our #1 next year might well be a top 10 pick.


Patriots are in the drivers seat, if they ask for a 2025 1st as requirement to trade and teams like the Vikings are fine with it, you either match it not.
RE: RE: RE: I'm hoping this is a smoke screen  
bigblue5611 : 4/23/2024 12:30 pm : link
In comment 16481606 JohnG in Albany said:
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I have no strong opinion on Maye, but Mahomes wasn't all that much of a winner at Texas Tech.


I'm not pretending to be any type of expert, but the winning percentage isn't the reason, I like what JJ has done under pressure, outside the pocket, on 3rd down, etc. I'd still be happy with either one, but just have a preference for JJM.
GFAN  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/23/2024 12:31 pm : link
If Kraft really wants McCarthy, he can only be assured of getting him at #3 or #4.
The funniest part is 4 days ago he talked on his podcast  
BleedBlue46 : 4/23/2024 12:31 pm : link
About how the NYG were all about JJM. Now it's they are trying to move up for Maye. He's gotta be reading BBI.
Let’s hope Minny and Denver move up  
dannyman3131 : 4/23/2024 12:32 pm : link
We basically have Drake Maye on the roster already. Athletic QB from a basketball school who will be a mid-level NFL starter at best. If they trade up for him they will be wasting valuable picks and will not be able to surround him with any talent for at least two years. I believe this is pre-draft smoke and trust Schoen has better plans up his sleeve.
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PatersonPlank : 4/23/2024 12:32 pm : link
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the Giants really want to do this, then they should only deal directly with NE. I would offer Neal, Ojulari, and our #1 next year. Might throw in Slayton.



I think the cost could be cheaper if you make the move as a 3 team trade or first go up to pick 4 then to pick 3.



Maybe, but the extra moving parts from adding a second team would concern me. I'd also like to limit the total number of picks given up. Our #1 next year might well be a top 10 pick.



Patriots are in the drivers seat, if they ask for a 2025 1st as requirement to trade and teams like the Vikings are fine with it, you either match it not.


Pats want JJM or someone near the top. Dropping to 11 isn't going to work for them.
RE: RE: Raanan also saying ARI doesn't want to go past 6  
Mbavaro : 4/23/2024 12:34 pm : link
In comment 16481524 Eric from BBI said:
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Sounds like he is reading BBI.


Wouldn’t be a he first time😁
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GFAN52 : 4/23/2024 12:34 pm : link
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the Giants really want to do this, then they should only deal directly with NE. I would offer Neal, Ojulari, and our #1 next year. Might throw in Slayton.



I think the cost could be cheaper if you make the move as a 3 team trade or first go up to pick 4 then to pick 3.



Maybe, but the extra moving parts from adding a second team would concern me. I'd also like to limit the total number of picks given up. Our #1 next year might well be a top 10 pick.



Patriots are in the drivers seat, if they ask for a 2025 1st as requirement to trade and teams like the Vikings are fine with it, you either match it not.



Pats want JJM or someone near the top. Dropping to 11 isn't going to work for them.


Unless they have a deal with say the Chargers to move back up.
RE: RE: RE: all signs  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/23/2024 12:48 pm : link
In comment 16481596 Eric from BBI said:
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point to Maye being the QB the Giants covet (given that Williams and Daniels will be off the board).

Can they get it done? That's not a given.



It's weird that GoDeep got fed false info, if so.



What did GoDeep actually say? Because if you read all of his comments on that thread, it really isn't clear at all.


That the Giants prefer McCarthy to Maye and wouldn't pick Maye even if he fell to #6.

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GoDeep13 : 4/19/2024 5:39 pm : link : reply
In comment 16475745 Eric from BBI said:
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Are you saying that if Maye is there at #6, they would pass on him?
Yes. They would use him for trade bait
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Dr. D : 4/23/2024 12:49 pm : link
In comment 16481550 bigblue5611 said:
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I think this pre draft stuff is going to make me coo coo for cocoa puffs.
If we have to offer our 25 #1  
Simms11 : 4/23/2024 12:51 pm : link
to move up, it will most likely will be a high pick and probably more valuable then anyone else looking to move up. Value is key especially to a team that has the #3 or 4 pick!
Do it.  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/23/2024 1:02 pm : link
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sb from NYT Forum  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/23/2024 1:06 pm : link
You didn't read the whole thread or you are leaving out the important side comment. Paraphrasing "I'm only posting what I'm being allowed to post."
RE: sb from NYT Forum  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/23/2024 1:24 pm : link
In comment 16481703 Eric from BBI said:
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You didn't read the whole thread or you are leaving out the important side comment. Paraphrasing "I'm only posting what I'm being allowed to post."


Right, but he also said he told his source not to tell him lies.

GoDeep (and his source) is usually pretty reliable, just saying it's weird that he got fed false info.
This deal is not happening unless we are willing to get fleeced  
gpat1031 : 4/23/2024 1:58 pm : link
Skins are trading and certainly not with us, NEED a QB.
Pats also NEED a QB so why would either trade back?
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AcidTest : 4/23/2024 2:13 pm : link
In comment 16481591 Eric from BBI said:
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the Giants really want to do this, then they should only deal directly with NE. I would offer Neal, Ojulari, and our #1 next year. Might throw in Slayton.



Then NE won't move and just take McCarthy. Or they will trade down with the Vikings and take Penix.


Fine with me. Then we can deal with AZ as a fall back option, which would be a lot cheaper anyway.
There was a part of the conversation  
Stars_and_stripes : 4/23/2024 2:49 pm : link
where the guy I met mentioned Chargers but I was in and out due to the misses pulling me aside grrrrrr.

There was a lot going on and many other things to process, so I didn't circle back to it unfortunately. As I think about it now though, I believe he was mentioning it as part of what Minny was angling to do as Chargers with new GM/Coach may be more amenable to the trade down than Cards to build their team.

He didn't give parameters but Minny angle could have been something like 11/23 to Chargers for 5 and then 2025 1st to Pats for 3. He did say they were extremely aggressive in their offers.

I would guess the reason NYG offer trumps theirs is they would also give Pats our 2025 1st which has a chance to be better and they would get the 4 pick instead of the 5 pick eliminating even a remote chance of Cards doing something crazy.

RE: There was a part of the conversation  
Rjanyg : 4/23/2024 3:48 pm : link
In comment 16481920 Stars_and_stripes said:
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where the guy I met mentioned Chargers but I was in and out due to the misses pulling me aside grrrrrr.

There was a lot going on and many other things to process, so I didn't circle back to it unfortunately. As I think about it now though, I believe he was mentioning it as part of what Minny was angling to do as Chargers with new GM/Coach may be more amenable to the trade down than Cards to build their team.

He didn't give parameters but Minny angle could have been something like 11/23 to Chargers for 5 and then 2025 1st to Pats for 3. He did say they were extremely aggressive in their offers.

I would guess the reason NYG offer trumps theirs is they would also give Pats our 2025 1st which has a chance to be better and they would get the 4 pick instead of the 5 pick eliminating even a remote chance of Cards doing something crazy.


Did you hear anything about what the comphensation would be to AZ and NE besides maybe a player? Which draft picks?
Not sure if posted  
nygscott : 4/23/2024 4:00 pm : link
but Breer said Ari told people they're not trading their pick until they're on the clock. Puts some cold water on the 3 team trade stuff if accurate.
Breer - ( New Window )
RE: Not sure if posted  
GFAN52 : 4/23/2024 4:08 pm : link
In comment 16482009 nygscott said:
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but Breer said Ari told people they're not trading their pick until they're on the clock. Puts some cold water on the 3 team trade stuff if accurate. Breer - ( New Window )


Makes sense.
RE: RE: There was a part of the conversation  
Stars_and_stripes : 4/23/2024 4:20 pm : link
In comment 16482002 Rjanyg said:
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where the guy I met mentioned Chargers but I was in and out due to the misses pulling me aside grrrrrr.

There was a lot going on and many other things to process, so I didn't circle back to it unfortunately. As I think about it now though, I believe he was mentioning it as part of what Minny was angling to do as Chargers with new GM/Coach may be more amenable to the trade down than Cards to build their team.

He didn't give parameters but Minny angle could have been something like 11/23 to Chargers for 5 and then 2025 1st to Pats for 3. He did say they were extremely aggressive in their offers.

I would guess the reason NYG offer trumps theirs is they would also give Pats our 2025 1st which has a chance to be better and they would get the 4 pick instead of the 5 pick eliminating even a remote chance of Cards doing something crazy.




Did you hear anything about what the comphensation would be to AZ and NE besides maybe a player? Which draft picks?


No compensation discussed except that a player may be involved.
RE: RE: Raanan also saying ARI doesn't want to go past 6  
OBJRoyal : 4/23/2024 4:52 pm : link
In comment 16481524 Eric from BBI said:
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Sounds like he is reading BBI.


Had a good morning to catch up and then put the tweet out
Trade  
New Yorker : 4/23/2024 9:28 pm : link
Let's trade down to ten get some picks and select Penix at ten.
Not with  
prdave73 : 4/23/2024 9:54 pm : link
three elite WR on the board and giving up draft capitol. That would be insane move.
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