Paul Schwartz's Mock Draft for Giants 4.0

The Giants should consider that even if they rate a QB in the first.

more than we need a OT, as bad as our line has been. Wallers is not a guarantee to play.

I like the idea of adding Pratt in the 4th round. Odds are long that he will become a high quality starter someday, but you are giving Daboll, Kafka and Tierney a guy with physical skills and letting them develop him for a couple of years.

It is a smart use of a 4th round pick.

Plus, his voice is so annoying

In comment 16481780 cosmicj said:

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The Giants should consider that even if they rate a QB in the first.

Agreed. I am not certain that he makes it out of the 3rd though. It’s not realistic even if they had more picks, but I liked the idea of a Pratt/Travis combo if they missed on one of the top QBs. Travis could go start on IR, similar to Detroits handling of Hooker.

WR/CB with the top picks, trash developmental trench players late, and the token later round QB who won’t be worth a shit.

They get the elite player in the first round and get a mid-round developmental quarterback which enables them to cut DJ as soon as he is healthy. And the need picks are there, but taken where the value makes sense. Good job!

In comment 16481807 WillVAB said:

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WR/CB with the top picks, trash developmental trench players late, and the token later round QB who won’t be worth a shit.

Are you saying that because you don’t like the players, don’t think we should draft a WR or CB that high or because we don’t go QB in round 1.

Players aside I have no problem with the positional value here.

In comment 16481799 Mike from Ohio said:

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I like the idea of adding Pratt in the 4th round. Odds are long that he will become a high quality starter someday, but you are giving Daboll, Kafka and Tierney a guy with physical skills and letting them develop him for a couple of years. It is a smart use of a 4th round pick.

Same, this works for me but what worries me is if we don’t take Pratt at 70 and then he’s gone.

Pass from me

In comment 16481811 The Mike said:

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They get the elite player in the first round and get a mid-round developmental quarterback which enables them to cut DJ as soon as he is healthy. And the need picks are there, but taken where the value makes sense. Good job!

The sensible plan is to start Drew Lock backed up by a rookie mid-round pick? You want the season over by end of September?

A QB in the 4th round? QB's taken in the 1st round are a crapshoot. We're gonna take one in the 4th? Maybe the 6th or 7th best QB in the draft coming out of Tulane who basically plays Nichols, South Alabama, North Texas, etc.? This would suck.

no interest. Don't like day three QBs. See Lauletta, Kyle.

choice.

I like the first 3 but I think I would rather have Estime in round 4 with a TE in round to like Theo Johnson.

In comment 16481860 AcidTest said:

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no interest. Don't like day three QBs. See Lauletta, Kyle.

Or Brady, Tom
Or Purdy, Brock

Than Lassiter.

In comment 16481817 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 16481799 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: I like the idea of adding Pratt in the 4th round. Odds are long that he will become a high quality starter someday, but you are giving Daboll, Kafka and Tierney a guy with physical skills and letting them develop him for a couple of years. It is a smart use of a 4th round pick. Same, this works for me but what worries me is if we don’t take Pratt at 70 and then he’s gone.

It's up to Schoen and Daboll on what they want to give up. If they feel like there is a decent chance he can play given the right situation, I would be fine with a 3rd. If it's a long shot, wait until the 4th.

QB's in later rounds are HUGE exceptins compared to the number of them drafted. Way better chance of 1st round QB's making a difference. And plenty of them were failures but nothing close to 4th rounders.

Here's the direct quote from Schoen's presser:

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The hit rate at that (QB) position in those (later) rounds you’re talking about is not high. Again, you hope, typically, if you’re going to take a guy down there that they can develop into a good No. 2. From a financial aspect, Drew is making $5 million. Well, that player in the fifth round, if he can develop into a No. 2, is saving you money over a four-year period versus a Tyrod or Drew or whoever some of the backup quarterbacks are around the league.

That is how Schoen seems to view mid-round QBs.

Given the plethora of current roster holes, and only 6 picks to fill them, I'm not interested in wasting a pick on someone YOU HOPE will be a good backup QB. Or doing it to save some amount of future money on an established backup.

Not this year, and not with only 6 picks. If it's QB, it's that first 4 or bust. Guys who's floors are supposedly decent starter.

In comment 16481865 Victor in CT said:

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choice.

+1

My mock if everything remains status quo

Rome Odunze
Cooper Beebe
Tvondre sweat or Masson Smith
Jaylen Wright
Theo Johnson
Willie Drew

I like Pratt and know him from my contacts at Tulane.

He is a winner and has single-handedly turned the program around by taking a (2) win team and leading them to 12 and 11-win seasons.

He can be a more athletic Brock Purdy-type QB.

Having said that I would not draft him until the 6th round.
The likelihood of him becoming a significant player is remote. Also, a number 3 QB will never see the field, can the Giants afford the luxury of drafting a player who will not see the field?

If he were available in the 6th round I would consider him.

Just go with Odunze at #6.

I'd replace Nabers with Odunze, but I do like the rest of that draft.

as much as I'm interested to see where the QB's go, I'm really interested to see where the running backs end up on Day 2.

Lassiter could start right away. Sneaky good value at 47.

No thanks.

In comment 16482020 56goat said:

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No thanks.

Why?

In comment 16481898 redwhiteandbigblue said:

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QB's in later rounds are HUGE exceptins compared to the number of them drafted. Way better chance of 1st round QB's making a difference. And plenty of them were failures but nothing close to 4th rounders.

Almost anyone you take in the 4th round is not going to be an impact player, regardless of position. I'd rather take a shot on a QB for our coaches to develop than another guard who can't block.

This year. There is a reasonable chance that this happens. So you need to think of a plan B draft instead of shitting on any mock that doesn’t have a QB in rd 1.

They aren’t taking Penix or Nix at 6. So unless they find a parter to trade down with they are missing out on both of them because they won’t be able to trade up from 47 to get one of them.

The most likely scenario is we’re getting Nabers at 6. So start thinking of other mocks you like because this is the most likely scenario.

Lassiter is going to be a fantastic safety/slot cb hybrid. Super versatile. Great football instincts and short area burst.

Can be had between 8-12 range. So move down if you want him and get a few more picks

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In comment 16481811 The Mike said: Quote: They get the elite player in the first round and get a mid-round developmental quarterback which enables them to cut DJ as soon as he is healthy. And the need picks are there, but taken where the value makes sense. Good job! The sensible plan is to start Drew Lock backed up by a rookie mid-round pick? You want the season over by end of September?

Love how you just got your mind made up that DJ won't play a down. Some of you guys are going to be mad as hell on Saturday.

We have so many holes and so few picks as it is. If you can’t get one of the top 6 guys, just punt on the position until next year

in any round. But I do know the first two drafts by Joe Schoen have not been good enough to overcome what he inherited and the unique challenges that are part of the Giants GM job to build a roster.

If Schoen and Daboll want to get a year 4 I think they need to come out this draft with an impact player and at least a couple of average starters at the Giants weakest positions.

They also desperately need the new coaches to turn Thibodeaux into a very good player and Neal into a league average starter.

Fans will lose interest early. If DJ stinks it up fans will be screaming for a change.

And asking Schoen how do you roll out this garbage.

They have to draft a qb. I think it will be Pratt i round2/3. Even if he stinks the fans will stay engaged hoping for better. Just like with DaVito

In comment 16482277 kelly said:

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Fans will lose interest early. If DJ stinks it up fans will be screaming for a change. And asking Schoen how do you roll out this garbage. They have to draft a qb. I think it will be Pratt i round2/3. Even if he stinks the fans will stay engaged hoping for better. Just like with DaVito

Pratt in round 2 or 3? Thats insanity

And I think Nabers and Lassiter will be good players.

Sorry.. just reality. It’s by far the most important position on the team. It’s past time to take a swing at a first round QB and there are 5 or 6 of them this year. No excuses.

at Tulane but I don’t think anyone rates him as an NFL starter. What does he bring that is better / different from Lock and DeVito? So we’d have 4 QBs, and 3 of them would be middling backup/stop-gap types.

In comment 16481915 David B. said:

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Here's the direct quote from Schoen's presser: Quote: The hit rate at that (QB) position in those (later) rounds you’re talking about is not high. Again, you hope, typically, if you’re going to take a guy down there that they can develop into a good No. 2. From a financial aspect, Drew is making $5 million. Well, that player in the fifth round, if he can develop into a No. 2, is saving you money over a four-year period versus a Tyrod or Drew or whoever some of the backup quarterbacks are around the league. That is how Schoen seems to view mid-round QBs. Given the plethora of current roster holes, and only 6 picks to fill them, I'm not interested in wasting a pick on someone YOU HOPE will be a good backup QB. Or doing it to save some amount of future money on an established backup. Not this year, and not with only 6 picks. If it's QB, it's that first 4 or bust. Guys who's floors are supposedly decent starter.

Eleven of the 2023 NFL starting quarterbacks were not drafted in the first round: Hurts, Purdy, Cousins, Prescott, R. Wilson, Garappolo, G. Smith, Carr, Levis, Howell, Ridder. Seven of the first round starters were at best JAGs, at worst outright busts: DJ, M. Jones, Mayfield, Young, Pickett, Fields, Watson.

In the Super Bowl Era, six of the top ten greatest quarterbacks of all time were not drafted in the first round. Brady, Montana, Unitas, Favre, Brees, Staubach.

The idea that you must draft a quarterback in the first round and anoint him under scholarship as the savior of the organization is just downright stupid. If the Giants are fortunate to have an elite quarterback fall to them at their draft position, as so happened in 2020 with Justin Herbert, then you take him. If not, you don't. Instead, you use a mid-round pick on the position and develop him.

Reaching for need or giving away the ranch in a speculative trade up for a scholarship anointed savior is nothing but folly.