but it’s an outlier. Odds are not good that all four of the top QBs will be studs, as history has shown. If you don’t pick one though, you’ll never know?! It’s like the lottery, if you’re not in it, you’re not going to have a chance to win anything. It’s a gamble for sure, but it’s more of an educated guess as teams have done tons of research on these guys.
20% studs
40% busts
20% average starters
20% backups
That's based (roughly) on the list above)
It's scary but.. what choice do you have but to try? You can pick your reason for thinking we need a new QB (performance, injury, etc) but it seems highly likely we need one. Unless there are better options, you gotta take your best shot and commit to making it right. I think what happens after you draft a guy matters a lot and we need to be MUCH better with our new QB.
I think Jones had a very promising rookie year that rightfully made us excited, and then our ineptness ruined it and we screwed him as much as you possibly could. Don't repeat that mistake this time.
just give Jones a permanent job until he's 40 right now and be done with it.
I know Jack is the polar opposite of Terps and is over the top pro DJ, but in this post he’s not saying just stick with DJ (even though we all know he wants to) but if you look at what he says and look at the list above he’s not wrong per se. That doesn’t mean skip and blow off a QB, but a 17% hit rate on a stud franchise QB is hard to stomach. Obviously if the Giants have a high grade on a QB they have to take him but it’s still scary looking at the odds.
just give Jones a permanent job until he's 40 right now and be done with it.
Only 40? Brady played until he was 45. They’re similar in that nobody thought they had any talent coming into the NFL. Might as well be the same person just with Jones 20 years younger
Looks like 40% chance of clearly upgrading from DJ
just give Jones a permanent job until he's 40 right now and be done with it.
Only 40? Brady played until he was 45. They’re similar in that nobody thought they had any talent coming into the NFL. Might as well be the same person just with Jones 20 years younger
And don’t forget, in 20 years 50 will be the new 40. Let’s just say “indefinitely” and leave it at that. Sort of like a Supreme court justice.
just give Jones a permanent job until he's 40 right now and be done with it.
Only 40? Brady played until he was 45. They’re similar in that nobody thought they had any talent coming into the NFL. Might as well be the same person just with Jones 20 years younger
And don’t forget, in 20 years 50 will be the new 40. Let’s just say “indefinitely” and leave it at that. Sort of like a Supreme court justice.
2 total busts
2 meh starters/backups
basically how 2018 class went.
2 total busts
2 meh starters/backups
basically how 2018 class went.
2 total busts
2 meh starters/backups
basically how 2018 class went.
And that would be a solid year.
Jamarcus Russel? Not sure about that.
Excellent. You'll be taking Brock Osweiler over Patrick Mahomes.
1. Eli Manning
2. Philip Rivers
3. Ben Roethlisberger
4. J.P. Losman
2005:
1. Alex Smith
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Jason Campbell
4. Charlie Frye
2006:
1. Vince Young
2. Matt Leinart
3. Jay Cutler
4. Kellen Clemens
2007:
1. JaMarcus Russell
2. Brady Quinn
3. Kevin Kolb
4. John Beck
2008:
1. Matt Ryan
2. Joe Flacco
3. Brian Brohm
4. Chad Henne
2009:
1. Matthew Stafford
2. Mark Sanchez
3. Josh Freeman
4. Pat White
2010:
1. Sam Bradford
2. Tim Tebow
3. Jimmy Clausen
4. Colt McCoy
2011:
1. Cam Newton
2. Jake Locker
3. Blaine Gabbert
4. Christian Ponder
2012:
1. Andrew Luck
2. Robert Griffin III
3. Ryan Tannehill
4. Brandon Weeden
2013:
1. E.J. Manuel
2. Geno Smith
3. Mike Glennon
4. Matt Barkley
2014:
1. Blake Bortles
2. Johnny Manziel
3. Teddy Bridgewater
4. Derek Carr
2015:
1. Jameis Winston
2. Marcus Mariota
3. Garrett Grayson
4. Sean Mannion
2016:
1. Jared Goff
2. Carson Wentz
3. Paxton Lynch
4. Christian Hackenberg
2017:
1. Mitchell Trubisky
2. Patrick Mahomes
3. Deshaun Watson
4. DeShone Kizer
2018:
1. Baker Mayfield
2. Sam Darnold
3. Josh Allen
4. Josh Rosen
2019:
1. Kyler Murray
2. Daniel Jones
3. Dwayne Haskins
4. Drew Lock
2020:
1. Joe Burrow
2. Tua Tagovailoa
3. Justin Herbert
4. Jordan Love
2021:
1. Trevor Lawrence
2. Zach Wilson
3. Trey Lance
4. Justin Fields
2022:
1. Kenny Pickett
2. Malik Willis
3. Matt Corral
4. Sam Howell
2023:
Too early to tell but Stroud seems legit.
1. Eli Manning
2. Philip Rivers
3. Ben Roethlisberger
4. J.P. Losman
2005:
1. Alex Smith
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Jason Campbell
4. Charlie Frye
2006:
1. Vince Young
2. Matt Leinart
3. Jay Cutler
4. Kellen Clemens
2007:
1. JaMarcus Russell
2. Brady Quinn
3. Kevin Kolb
4. John Beck
2008:
1. Matt Ryan
2. Joe Flacco
3. Brian Brohm
4. Chad Henne
2009:
1. Matthew Stafford
2. Mark Sanchez
3. Josh Freeman
4. Pat White
2010:
1. Sam Bradford
2. Tim Tebow
3. Jimmy Clausen
4. Colt McCoy
2011:
1. Cam Newton
2. Jake Locker
3. Blaine Gabbert
4. Christian Ponder
2012:
1. Andrew Luck
2. Robert Griffin III
3. Ryan Tannehill
4. Brandon Weeden
2013:
1. E.J. Manuel
2. Geno Smith
3. Mike Glennon
4. Matt Barkley
2014:
1. Blake Bortles
2. Johnny Manziel
3. Teddy Bridgewater
4. Derek Carr
2015:
1. Jameis Winston
2. Marcus Mariota
3. Garrett Grayson
4. Sean Mannion
2016:
1. Jared Goff
2. Carson Wentz
3. Paxton Lynch
4. Christian Hackenberg
2017:
1. Mitchell Trubisky
2. Patrick Mahomes
3. Deshaun Watson
4. DeShone Kizer
2018:
1. Baker Mayfield
2. Sam Darnold
3. Josh Allen
4. Josh Rosen
2019:
1. Kyler Murray
2. Daniel Jones
3. Dwayne Haskins
4. Drew Lock
2020:
1. Joe Burrow
2. Tua Tagovailoa
3. Justin Herbert
4. Jordan Love
2021:
1. Trevor Lawrence
2. Zach Wilson
3. Trey Lance
4. Justin Fields
2022:
1. Kenny Pickett
2. Malik Willis
3. Matt Corral
4. Sam Howell
2023:
Too early to tell but Stroud seems legit.
From a quick count I have out of 76 QB’s
13 studs
31 busts
16 solid/avg starters
16 journeymen/backups
And I was being generous with the starters/backups.
That’s freaking scary how hard it is to draft a stud franchise QB.
17% hit rate on finding a stud franchise QB with one of the first 4 QBs taken.
As the 4th QB drafted.....there was only 1...Jordon Love.
Marino & Kelly - tier 1A only because of a lousy defense, and ‘wide right’.
O’Brien - serviceable for the Jests
Eason & Blackledge - misses
What does "better than usual" mean? You've no idea (nobody does) if any player in this draft will "elevate their team". Dumb post.
40% busts
20% average starters
20% backups
That's based (roughly) on the list above)
It's scary but.. what choice do you have but to try? You can pick your reason for thinking we need a new QB (performance, injury, etc) but it seems highly likely we need one. Unless there are better options, you gotta take your best shot and commit to making it right. I think what happens after you draft a guy matters a lot and we need to be MUCH better with our new QB.
I think Jones had a very promising rookie year that rightfully made us excited, and then our ineptness ruined it and we screwed him as much as you possibly could. Don't repeat that mistake this time.
I know Jack is the polar opposite of Terps and is over the top pro DJ, but in this post he’s not saying just stick with DJ (even though we all know he wants to) but if you look at what he says and look at the list above he’s not wrong per se. That doesn’t mean skip and blow off a QB, but a 17% hit rate on a stud franchise QB is hard to stomach. Obviously if the Giants have a high grade on a QB they have to take him but it’s still scary looking at the odds.
Only 40? Brady played until he was 45. They’re similar in that nobody thought they had any talent coming into the NFL. Might as well be the same person just with Jones 20 years younger
And a 40% chance of drafting a clear bust - albeit with cost savings - who we can move on from in 2 years if that’s the case.
Sounds pretty good to me. We’re not winning with DJ so any of these scenarios are better than where we are today.
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just give Jones a permanent job until he's 40 right now and be done with it.
Only 40? Brady played until he was 45. They’re similar in that nobody thought they had any talent coming into the NFL. Might as well be the same person just with Jones 20 years younger
And don’t forget, in 20 years 50 will be the new 40. Let’s just say “indefinitely” and leave it at that. Sort of like a Supreme court justice.
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just give Jones a permanent job until he's 40 right now and be done with it.
Only 40? Brady played until he was 45. They’re similar in that nobody thought they had any talent coming into the NFL. Might as well be the same person just with Jones 20 years younger
And don’t forget, in 20 years 50 will be the new 40. Let’s just say “indefinitely” and leave it at that. Sort of like a Supreme court justice.
Great point