I did not find it yet but I found this gem in the process
I really do not want Nabers, this guy seems like a headache Link - ( New Window )
Yea.. he has a strong desire to be great and knows he needs a great QB throwing to him. What a headache. [/s]
Actually, it's only a headache if we settle for mediocrity, and then we have bigger problems than a headache. When did Giants fans become so comfortable settling for bad players?
I did not find it yet but I found this gem in the process
I really do not want Nabers, this guy seems like a headache Link - ( New Window )
Sounds like he would be a pretty good GM too! If only he was our GM last year, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. Maybe if we draft him, we can ask him to be the first Player-GM in NFL history and have him personally cut DJ as soon as he is healthy?
While Nabers has some teams rating him ahead of Harrison, one thing going for Harrison is there are teams that have some character concerns with Nabers. Harrison did not come up with character concerns. Sources from multiple teams with top-10 picks said they had character marks for Nabers. That being said, they said the character was not bad enough to cause them to pass on him based on the questions or remove him from their draft board. Link - ( New Window )
While Nabers has some teams rating him ahead of Harrison, one thing going for Harrison is there are teams that have some character concerns with Nabers. Harrison did not come up with character concerns. Sources from multiple teams with top-10 picks said they had character marks for Nabers. That being said, they said the character was not bad enough to cause them to pass on him based on the questions or remove him from their draft board. Link - ( New Window )
And the Giants have a superb track record in judging the character of prospective draft choices. They were masterful in steering clear of Laramy Tunsil in 2016, shrewdly drafting instead Eli Apple. In 2019, they avoided drafting the dreaded defensive back Byron Murphy, trading up instead to get Deandre Baker. And of course in 2021, in a stroke of brilliance, they avoided Micah Parsons by trading back for the opportunity to draft Kadarius Toney and then Evan Neal in 2022. Which masterfully turned into Darren Waller in 2023.
Can't wait to see who they will pick so as to avoid the character problems of Malik Nabers.
While Nabers has some teams rating him ahead of Harrison, one thing going for Harrison is there are teams that have some character concerns with Nabers. Harrison did not come up with character concerns. Sources from multiple teams with top-10 picks said they had character marks for Nabers. That being said, they said the character was not bad enough to cause them to pass on him based on the questions or remove him from their draft board. Link - ( New Window )
And the Giants have a superb track record in judging the character of prospective draft choices. They were masterful in steering clear of Laramy Tunsil in 2016, shrewdly drafting instead Eli Apple. In 2019, they avoided drafting the dreaded defensive back Byron Murphy, trading up instead to get Deandre Baker. And of course in 2021, in a stroke of brilliance, they avoided Micah Parsons by trading back for the opportunity to draft Kadarius Toney and then Evan Neal in 2022. Which masterfully turned into Darren Waller in 2023.
Can't wait to see who they will pick so as to avoid the character problems of Malik Nabers.
Sure he does if the question is asked with the qualifier that the Bills and Chiefs don't know who will be their QB this year (just as it was when it was asked in reference to the Giants).
RE: RE: RE: Without seeing the full context, I can see this as doing a good thing.
Sure he does if the question is asked with the qualifier that the Bills and Chiefs don't know who will be their QB this year (just as it was when it was asked in reference to the Giants).
Likely he starts the answer by saying something nice about Allen, Mahomes, et al. We’ve heard that kind of answer 1000 times before in different situations.
RE: Can't believe a reporter put him on the spot with that question
Yeah it was a shitty question to ask a young kid. I don’t think his answer was scandalous in any way. He’s right. The Giants are going to have to figure it out.
RE: RE: Can't believe a reporter put him on the spot with that question
Yeah it was a shitty question to ask a young kid. I don’t think his answer was scandalous in any way. He’s right. The Giants are going to have to figure it out.
Every team would have to figure it out when the question is asked that way.
RE: RE: RE: He doesn’t give that answer if he’s asked about Bills/Chiefs/etc.
Sure he does if the question is asked with the qualifier that the Bills and Chiefs don't know who will be their QB this year (just as it was when it was asked in reference to the Giants).
Likely he starts the answer by saying something nice about Allen, Mahomes, et al. We’ve heard that kind of answer 1000 times before in different situations.
But the question is based on the premise that the team he is going to doesn't have a quarterback, so his answer would be the same no matter what team she was referring to ("they will figure it out").
And what some fail to realize is that a ton of kids
don't watch the NFL. They may watch players they like and well known players but you'd be surprised how many don't know much about the NFL. To assume Nabers knows what is going on with our QB situation is not a smart assumption. So, when the shit stirrer Josina asked the question she did, I actually think he handled it very well.
There is a billion different of ways to answer that question, and that is not the route I would go to answer that question.
For instance, just say that no matter who the QB is I know I will do everything I can to make the team that selects me better.
Its really not that hard
Then there is the illegal procession of gun charge that was dropped.
Odell was a great talent, with a terrible professional personality. I wanted Aaron Donald.
While I loved watching Shockey with the ball in his hands, his personality was also a detriment to the team.
DJ sucks, great, but then you replace him with a new player that will have to learn the system and will have some struggles. Dont need someone who is on the field demanding the ball which is the vibes that Nabers gives me.
Sorry, there are some red flags here, I like Odunze a lot, he is also a talent and this stuff is enough to sway my decision and feelings.
As far as the Parsons thing, to be honest my character expectation is a lot lower for LB than a WR. WRs stats are dependent on things outside of their control and I need to trust my WR to handle himself properly when things are not going well. For pass rusher, its more on the player, if they want the ball they have control to go take it for themselves and that takes a couple screws loose sometimes. Link - ( New Window )
The Giants, for too long, have been way too optimistic and naive in their self-scouting and self-evaluations. It's not just Jones; from "don't sleep on Pio" to keeping Shepard on too long, they seem to want to exist in their hermetic bubble where they dismiss pundit criticism and take a haughty attitude that they know better, despite all evidence to the contrary.
If the actual players, with second contracts and careers on the line, start asking questions about the Giants direction, namely why they struggle to produce a passing attack that can even hit 3500 yards and 20 TDs in the year 2024, then I welcome it.
I did not find it yet but I found this gem in the process
I really do not want Nabers, this guy seems like a headache Link - ( New Window )
Yea.. he has a strong desire to be great and knows he needs a great QB throwing to him. What a headache. [/s]
Actually, it's only a headache if we settle for mediocrity, and then we have bigger problems than a headache. When did Giants fans become so comfortable settling for bad players?
Exactly. I don't need good teammates on a bad team.
Our players should demand excellence of themselves and each other.
The Giants, for too long, have been way too optimistic and naive in their self-scouting and self-evaluations. It's not just Jones; from "don't sleep on Pio" to keeping Shepard on too long, they seem to want to exist in their hermetic bubble where they dismiss pundit criticism and take a haughty attitude that they know better, despite all evidence to the contrary.
If the actual players, with second contracts and careers on the line, start asking questions about the Giants direction, namely why they struggle to produce a passing attack that can even hit 3500 yards and 20 TDs in the year 2024, then I welcome it.
Odell Beckham
Kadarius Toney
DeAndre Baker
Some criticisms are legitmate
RE: Which is the same reason Waller hasn't given an answer yet..
If $8 is still under center Waller will retire, and a player like Malik Nabers will have no interest being drafted here.
By the time Malik Nabers finds out if $8 is under center, he'll either be lined up at the X waiting for Dimes to hike the ball or he'll be on another team anyway. So his interest wouldn't matter.
is that he refuses to play games with the media. After what happened last time he made a comment, he knew anything he said would be twisted. He'd either be "doubling down" on not wanting to play for Jone or he'd be "trying to say the right things". So instead, he just said "peace out"
If that's true, then I'm more of a fan of Nabers than I was before. This is what I wish most players would do.
While Nabers has some teams rating him ahead of Harrison, one thing going for Harrison is there are teams that have some character concerns with Nabers. Harrison did not come up with character concerns. Sources from multiple teams with top-10 picks said they had character marks for Nabers. That being said, they said the character was not bad enough to cause them to pass on him based on the questions or remove him from their draft board. Link - ( New Window )
And the Giants have a superb track record in judging the character of prospective draft choices. They were masterful in steering clear of Laramy Tunsil in 2016, shrewdly drafting instead Eli Apple. In 2019, they avoided drafting the dreaded defensive back Byron Murphy, trading up instead to get Deandre Baker. And of course in 2021, in a stroke of brilliance, they avoided Micah Parsons by trading back for the opportunity to draft Kadarius Toney and then Evan Neal in 2022. Which masterfully turned into Darren Waller in 2023.
Can't wait to see who they will pick so as to avoid the character problems of Malik Nabers.
While Nabers has some teams rating him ahead of Harrison, one thing going for Harrison is there are teams that have some character concerns with Nabers. Harrison did not come up with character concerns. Sources from multiple teams with top-10 picks said they had character marks for Nabers. That being said, they said the character was not bad enough to cause them to pass on him based on the questions or remove him from their draft board. Link - ( New Window )
And the Giants have a superb track record in judging the character of prospective draft choices. They were masterful in steering clear of Laramy Tunsil in 2016, shrewdly drafting instead Eli Apple. In 2019, they avoided drafting the dreaded defensive back Byron Murphy, trading up instead to get Deandre Baker. And of course in 2021, in a stroke of brilliance, they avoided Micah Parsons by trading back for the opportunity to draft Kadarius Toney and then Evan Neal in 2022. Which masterfully turned into Darren Waller in 2023.
Can't wait to see who they will pick so as to avoid the character problems of Malik Nabers.
+2.
LOL, got it
So do not pass on a player with character flaws to select a lesser talented player with character flaws?
I have to agree.
I think Harrison, Nabers, Odunze are all great talents. So we are to the point of splitting hairs in my opinion. I was just really saying there is enough flags on him for me that I would be feel a lot better with Odunze. I am not suggesting we trade down to select another possible character flawed players.
But I am not going to agree that you only select the most talented players regardless of their character.
OK, that's better than mine.
I really do not want Nabers, this guy seems like a headache
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I really do not want Nabers, this guy seems like a headache Link - ( New Window )
Agreed!
Gotta look towards Odunze, seems more like a pro!
I really do not want Nabers, this guy seems like a headache Link - ( New Window )
Yea.. he has a strong desire to be great and knows he needs a great QB throwing to him. What a headache. [/s]
Actually, it's only a headache if we settle for mediocrity, and then we have bigger problems than a headache. When did Giants fans become so comfortable settling for bad players?
I really do not want Nabers, this guy seems like a headache Link - ( New Window )
Sounds like he would be a pretty good GM too! If only he was our GM last year, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. Maybe if we draft him, we can ask him to be the first Player-GM in NFL history and have him personally cut DJ as soon as he is healthy?
Agree
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And the Giants have a superb track record in judging the character of prospective draft choices. They were masterful in steering clear of Laramy Tunsil in 2016, shrewdly drafting instead Eli Apple. In 2019, they avoided drafting the dreaded defensive back Byron Murphy, trading up instead to get Deandre Baker. And of course in 2021, in a stroke of brilliance, they avoided Micah Parsons by trading back for the opportunity to draft Kadarius Toney and then Evan Neal in 2022. Which masterfully turned into Darren Waller in 2023.
Can't wait to see who they will pick so as to avoid the character problems of Malik Nabers.
And pivoting to Rome or someone else won’t matter. None of them want to be on a team with DJ as their QB, though they might not be so blunt as Malik.
I really do not want Nabers, this guy seems like a headache Link - ( New Window )
What was wrong with his answer? And, now, did you see the whole interview and the question that was asked? Probably not.
Did you see the interview?
Hebwas specifically asked about the uncertainty at QB for the Giants and his response was basically they'll figure it out.
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Maybe he’s astute enough to know he was being trolled and wanted no part of it. If so, I say kudos.
Hebwas specifically asked about the uncertainty at QB for the Giants and his response was basically they'll figure it out.
Scandalous, Haha.
And it isn’t his job to figure out the QB position.
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Maybe he’s astute enough to know he was being trolled and wanted no part of it. If so, I say kudos.
Hebwas specifically asked about the uncertainty at QB for the Giants and his response was basically they'll figure it out.
So what’s wrong with this answer? I don’t get it.
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While Nabers has some teams rating him ahead of Harrison, one thing going for Harrison is there are teams that have some character concerns with Nabers. Harrison did not come up with character concerns. Sources from multiple teams with top-10 picks said they had character marks for Nabers. That being said, they said the character was not bad enough to cause them to pass on him based on the questions or remove him from their draft board. Link - ( New Window )
And the Giants have a superb track record in judging the character of prospective draft choices. They were masterful in steering clear of Laramy Tunsil in 2016, shrewdly drafting instead Eli Apple. In 2019, they avoided drafting the dreaded defensive back Byron Murphy, trading up instead to get Deandre Baker. And of course in 2021, in a stroke of brilliance, they avoided Micah Parsons by trading back for the opportunity to draft Kadarius Toney and then Evan Neal in 2022. Which masterfully turned into Darren Waller in 2023.
Can't wait to see who they will pick so as to avoid the character problems of Malik Nabers.
well put
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Maybe he’s astute enough to know he was being trolled and wanted no part of it. If so, I say kudos.
Hebwas specifically asked about the uncertainty at QB for the Giants and his response was basically they'll figure it out.
So what’s wrong with this answer? I don’t get it.
Nothing but fans' PTSD with Beckham and Toney is making them take a huge leap to them when it comes to Nabers.
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Let’s call a spade a spade here.
Sure he does if the question is asked with the qualifier that the Bills and Chiefs don't know who will be their QB this year (just as it was when it was asked in reference to the Giants).
Likely he starts the answer by saying something nice about Allen, Mahomes, et al. We’ve heard that kind of answer 1000 times before in different situations.
Yeah it was a shitty question to ask a young kid. I don’t think his answer was scandalous in any way. He’s right. The Giants are going to have to figure it out.
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Yeah it was a shitty question to ask a young kid. I don’t think his answer was scandalous in any way. He’s right. The Giants are going to have to figure it out.
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Let’s call a spade a spade here.
Sure he does if the question is asked with the qualifier that the Bills and Chiefs don't know who will be their QB this year (just as it was when it was asked in reference to the Giants).
Likely he starts the answer by saying something nice about Allen, Mahomes, et al. We’ve heard that kind of answer 1000 times before in different situations.
Just setting things up to call him a bust and a malcontent when he doesn’t work a miracle with Jones.
For instance, just say that no matter who the QB is I know I will do everything I can to make the team that selects me better.
Its really not that hard
Then there is the illegal procession of gun charge that was dropped.
Odell was a great talent, with a terrible professional personality. I wanted Aaron Donald.
While I loved watching Shockey with the ball in his hands, his personality was also a detriment to the team.
DJ sucks, great, but then you replace him with a new player that will have to learn the system and will have some struggles. Dont need someone who is on the field demanding the ball which is the vibes that Nabers gives me.
Sorry, there are some red flags here, I like Odunze a lot, he is also a talent and this stuff is enough to sway my decision and feelings.
As far as the Parsons thing, to be honest my character expectation is a lot lower for LB than a WR. WRs stats are dependent on things outside of their control and I need to trust my WR to handle himself properly when things are not going well. For pass rusher, its more on the player, if they want the ball they have control to go take it for themselves and that takes a couple screws loose sometimes.
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If the actual players, with second contracts and careers on the line, start asking questions about the Giants direction, namely why they struggle to produce a passing attack that can even hit 3500 yards and 20 TDs in the year 2024, then I welcome it.
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I did not find it yet but I found this gem in the process
I really do not want Nabers, this guy seems like a headache Link - ( New Window )
Yea.. he has a strong desire to be great and knows he needs a great QB throwing to him. What a headache. [/s]
Actually, it's only a headache if we settle for mediocrity, and then we have bigger problems than a headache. When did Giants fans become so comfortable settling for bad players?
Exactly. I don't need good teammates on a bad team.
Our players should demand excellence of themselves and each other.
And let Mgt know when something is wrong.
If the actual players, with second contracts and careers on the line, start asking questions about the Giants direction, namely why they struggle to produce a passing attack that can even hit 3500 yards and 20 TDs in the year 2024, then I welcome it.
Odell Beckham
Kadarius Toney
DeAndre Baker
Some criticisms are legitmate
If that's true, then I'm more of a fan of Nabers than I was before. This is what I wish most players would do.
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While Nabers has some teams rating him ahead of Harrison, one thing going for Harrison is there are teams that have some character concerns with Nabers. Harrison did not come up with character concerns. Sources from multiple teams with top-10 picks said they had character marks for Nabers. That being said, they said the character was not bad enough to cause them to pass on him based on the questions or remove him from their draft board. Link - ( New Window )
And the Giants have a superb track record in judging the character of prospective draft choices. They were masterful in steering clear of Laramy Tunsil in 2016, shrewdly drafting instead Eli Apple. In 2019, they avoided drafting the dreaded defensive back Byron Murphy, trading up instead to get Deandre Baker. And of course in 2021, in a stroke of brilliance, they avoided Micah Parsons by trading back for the opportunity to draft Kadarius Toney and then Evan Neal in 2022. Which masterfully turned into Darren Waller in 2023.
Can't wait to see who they will pick so as to avoid the character problems of Malik Nabers.
+2.
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While Nabers has some teams rating him ahead of Harrison, one thing going for Harrison is there are teams that have some character concerns with Nabers. Harrison did not come up with character concerns. Sources from multiple teams with top-10 picks said they had character marks for Nabers. That being said, they said the character was not bad enough to cause them to pass on him based on the questions or remove him from their draft board. Link - ( New Window )
And the Giants have a superb track record in judging the character of prospective draft choices. They were masterful in steering clear of Laramy Tunsil in 2016, shrewdly drafting instead Eli Apple. In 2019, they avoided drafting the dreaded defensive back Byron Murphy, trading up instead to get Deandre Baker. And of course in 2021, in a stroke of brilliance, they avoided Micah Parsons by trading back for the opportunity to draft Kadarius Toney and then Evan Neal in 2022. Which masterfully turned into Darren Waller in 2023.
Can't wait to see who they will pick so as to avoid the character problems of Malik Nabers.
+2.
LOL, got it
So do not pass on a player with character flaws to select a lesser talented player with character flaws?
I have to agree.
I think Harrison, Nabers, Odunze are all great talents. So we are to the point of splitting hairs in my opinion. I was just really saying there is enough flags on him for me that I would be feel a lot better with Odunze. I am not suggesting we trade down to select another possible character flawed players.
But I am not going to agree that you only select the most talented players regardless of their character.
"They let his best weapon sign with a division rival and Nabers has not played up to his draft position. The team continues to fail Danile."
MHJ is very good, but with 1 more DJ year, bigger is better.