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| Terms: Patriots trade No. 3 overall and a 2024 fourth round pick (No. 137 overall) to the Giants for WR Darius Slayton, No. 6 overall, their 2024 fourth round pick (No. 107 overall), a 2025 first round pick and a 2025 third round pick Breakdown: As former Giants GM Ernie Accorsi once famously said about the steep price that comes with trading for a potential franchise quarterback, like he did for Eli Manning 20 years ago: "You can't overpay [Joe] DiMaggio." |
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| If the Patriots are willing, and Faux Eliot Wolf and Faux Bob Kraft were, I don't think the Giants will hesitate. I was resigned to the fact that I would have to deal next year's No. 1 pick to sweeten the pot. What I was able to do: keep my picks this year, getting the Pats to agree to swapping fourth rounders, and throwing in a third rounder for next year, too. Slayton would be missed, but I believe he would have value in this scenario. |
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| Maye's greatest strength is also is most concerning weakness. He has no fear of attempting big-time throws and completes a bunch of them, fueling what observers believe gives him a very good chance at succeeding in today's NFL. But Maye also takes a ton of risks, and that style of play could compromise his standing in the eyes of some evaluators. To me, Maye and Michigan quarterback J.J. McCarthy profile as the best fits for Brian Daboll's offense. They are the youngest signal callers in the class, too, which will allow the Giants to proceed with their plan to start the year with Daniel Jones and then see where the season takes them. |
I think under this scenario the Giants would do Jones a favor and release him.
Drake Naye is the guy we need to go get..
‘I also like to live dangerously.’-Austin Powers.
He's a 3 in my uneducated estimation and they can get one of those in the draft for a rookie deal.
The Pats want blood for that pick and I don't blame them after some of the hauls that have been given in the recent drafts.
Slayton is a serviceable at best WR and a 4th round pick swap? I mean I’d love it but is that really moving the needle for New England?
Is it possible the DJ knows the Giants are going after a new QB? Does he have a bad prognosis on his neck? Is he helping the Giants front office keep things quiet? The fact that DJ came out and talked with the media and then had that little smirk on his face when he said he should be the starting QB. All seemed kinda weird.
All I can say is, there had been these little things and with all the work NYG has done on these rookies QB’s, is it all so we can draft Odunze at 6? Or hope Nabers falls to 6? It’s possible but wow.
First, the details of the trade: Chargers traded Manning—the No. 1 overall pick to the Giants. In exchange, San Diego received the following from New York: Philip Rivers, the Giants' third round pick in 2004 along with their first and fifth round selections in the 2005 draft.
I wonder what you thought of the Eli Deal in 2004?
Agreed. This indicates two things: (A) they're not entirely sold as an organization on Maye and (B) they've got some palace intrigue. Robert Kraft seems to be on love with JJM, the front office is fine to trading down, and the coaching staff likes Maye. Total mixed bag. Kraft will win out in such a scenario.
A three team deal between the Giants, Pats, and Cards would make sense here or a double trade up between the NYG/ARI (6 to 4) and then the NYG/NEP (4 to 3). In Stapleton's scenario, the Vikings are still a threat to trade up to 5 to take JJM. The Giants, Pats, and Cards would have to box them out to prevent that. If the Pats want JJM and some picks/and a player then Stapleton's scenario is not enough since the Chargers and Vikings are perfect trading partners if a QB (Maye or JJM) is still there.
A double trade up makes the most sense. The Cards at 6 could give the Chargers some picks to move back a spot to take MHJr if they truly love him. My suspicion now is that they'll deal with Nabers if they get enough in return for next year's draft war chest. Harbaugh might take back a 3rd rounder from pick-rich Arizona--who've got 11 picks this year, including 2 early third rounders--in order to exchange picks 5 and 6 if he's desperate to make some kind of deal. The NYG, ARI, and NEP all stand to get what they want in this kind of deal---with Minnesota getting boxed out of Maye and JJM. The Vikings would have to seek their fortune with Penix and Nix in a trade up from 11 to one of the teams picking 7th to 10th since the Raiders and Broncos would also be hot on their trail for a QB themselves.
The Rams will have a 1st rd pick this year for the 1st time since 2016.. 49ers haven't picked in the first in a while either..
Get the guy you want and build around him. The Giants will have CAP FLEXIBILITY next year with Jones gone..
And anyone holding Slayton up as a piece we can't afford to get rid of has ZERO clue on what he is and has been- a very average player for 5 years..
By still having our 2nd and 3rd we can can move around and get a few other pics or maybe we go get a vet WR from someone. Who knows but Maye would bring a RAY OF HOPE here not seen since Manning!
The Rams will have a 1st rd pick this year for the 1st time since 2016.. 49ers haven't picked in the first in a while either..
Get the guy you want and build around him. The Giants will have CAP FLEXIBILITY next year with Jones gone..
And anyone holding Slayton up as a piece we can't afford to get rid of has ZERO clue on what he is and has been- a very average player for 5 years..
By still having our 2nd and 3rd we can can move around and get a few other pics or maybe we go get a vet WR from someone. Who knows but Maye would bring a RAY OF HOPE here not seen since Manning!
Maye would not have been taken over Stroud. Or Young for that matter.
Kraft is clearly thinking about his legacy and what he is leaving to his children. He is 82 years old, just made a kinda documentary about how great he is, and is clearly “wrapping things up”
Kraft had Tom Brady from Michigan. I think the pull will be too much for Kraft and they go JJM.
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Not only would we trade a ton of assets but we also trade a WR which we are so thin at.
I wonder what you thought of the Eli Deal in 2004?
Don’t get me wrong I loved Eli, but I still maintain we should have stayed put and drafted Rothlisberger. I still think he was the better QB
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a mistake going to get a QB, who last season would have been the #1 QB in the draft, is a joke. Yes, I am biased but some of you live in this wash, rinse repeat cycle of draft picks owned. etc..
The Rams will have a 1st rd pick this year for the 1st time since 2016.. 49ers haven't picked in the first in a while either..
Get the guy you want and build around him. The Giants will have CAP FLEXIBILITY next year with Jones gone..
And anyone holding Slayton up as a piece we can't afford to get rid of has ZERO clue on what he is and has been- a very average player for 5 years..
By still having our 2nd and 3rd we can can move around and get a few other pics or maybe we go get a vet WR from someone. Who knows but Maye would bring a RAY OF HOPE here not seen since Manning!
Maye would not have been taken over Stroud. Or Young for that matter.
Yeah he would have.. First off, Carolina had the #1, you don't think they would have embraced the NC connection.. Please and he was the better prospect last year.
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a mistake going to get a QB, who last season would have been the #1 QB in the draft, is a joke. Yes, I am biased but some of you live in this wash, rinse repeat cycle of draft picks owned. etc..
The Rams will have a 1st rd pick this year for the 1st time since 2016.. 49ers haven't picked in the first in a while either..
Get the guy you want and build around him. The Giants will have CAP FLEXIBILITY next year with Jones gone..
And anyone holding Slayton up as a piece we can't afford to get rid of has ZERO clue on what he is and has been- a very average player for 5 years..
By still having our 2nd and 3rd we can can move around and get a few other pics or maybe we go get a vet WR from someone. Who knows but Maye would bring a RAY OF HOPE here not seen since Manning!
Maye would not have been taken over Stroud. Or Young for that matter.
Yeah he would have.. First off, Carolina had the #1, you don't think they would have embraced the NC connection.. Please and he was the better prospect last year.
It's really amazing just how consequential 2022 was and the moves which followed.
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a mistake going to get a QB, who last season would have been the #1 QB in the draft, is a joke. Yes, I am biased but some of you live in this wash, rinse repeat cycle of draft picks owned. etc..
The Rams will have a 1st rd pick this year for the 1st time since 2016.. 49ers haven't picked in the first in a while either..
Get the guy you want and build around him. The Giants will have CAP FLEXIBILITY next year with Jones gone..
And anyone holding Slayton up as a piece we can't afford to get rid of has ZERO clue on what he is and has been- a very average player for 5 years..
By still having our 2nd and 3rd we can can move around and get a few other pics or maybe we go get a vet WR from someone. Who knows but Maye would bring a RAY OF HOPE here not seen since Manning!
Maye would not have been taken over Stroud. Or Young for that matter.
Yeah he would have.. First off, Carolina had the #1, you don't think they would have embraced the NC connection.. Please and he was the better prospect last year.
No way was he a better prospect than Stroud. He's never had a game approaching Stroud's game in the playoffs against Georgia.
It's really amazing just how consequential 2022 was and the moves which followed.
Bill? I saw he had a new podcast but he’s insufferable when it comes to talking Patriots.
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a mistake going to get a QB, who last season would have been the #1 QB in the draft, is a joke. Yes, I am biased but some of you live in this wash, rinse repeat cycle of draft picks owned. etc..
The Rams will have a 1st rd pick this year for the 1st time since 2016.. 49ers haven't picked in the first in a while either..
Get the guy you want and build around him. The Giants will have CAP FLEXIBILITY next year with Jones gone..
And anyone holding Slayton up as a piece we can't afford to get rid of has ZERO clue on what he is and has been- a very average player for 5 years..
By still having our 2nd and 3rd we can can move around and get a few other pics or maybe we go get a vet WR from someone. Who knows but Maye would bring a RAY OF HOPE here not seen since Manning!
Maye would not have been taken over Stroud. Or Young for that matter.
Yeah he would have.. First off, Carolina had the #1, you don't think they would have embraced the NC connection.. Please and he was the better prospect last year.
No way was he a better prospect than Stroud. He's never had a game approaching Stroud's game in the playoffs against Georgia.
You know Stroud didn't go #1, right? Carolina took YOUNG over Stroud. You are being delusional about Stroud over Maye last year but, neither of us can prove it-it is just opinion.
Too many QB’s miss. Sit at 6 and let the draft come to you.
Too many QB’s miss. Sit at 6 and let the draft come to you.
What? That is like saying if you sit still you won't miss. Allen and Mahomes were two QB's acquired by trading up. Yes, they were a bit lower but it was a trade for a guy they wanted.. Some of you forget all the misses we have had just sitting there.
You don't like Maye, great, that is fine. But I do and if the Giants do then I trust Schoen and Daboll to be doing the best they can for their jobs. Fastest way to get fired is just sit and wait for stuff..
Keep in mind, as I mentioned above, the Giants have basically let Jones know he isn't the guy here long term and possibly not even short term..
Are you willing to take the chance? I think I am but I vacillate. But you have to admit it's taking a chance.
Rb - Tiki Barber
TE - Jeremy Shockey
WR - Amani Toomer
WR - Ike Hilliard
That Giants team had a canyon like disparity in talent compared to this team. They are bottom 3 in skill position players.
So they are going to mortgage 2 years worth of top picks on a team with scarce talent, to draft a guy who is not close to a sure thing
What NFL teams have traded up to get a QB with a terrible supportng cast and then turned things around. I am not trading up for any of these guys unless I get Williams and that is not happening
Slayton is a serviceable at best WR and a 4th round pick swap? I mean I’d love it but is that really moving the needle for New England?
No, it doesn't. I don't think those trade terms are at all realistic for the Patriots. The rest of the draft is fine.
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I’m betting we are sitting here next year feeling an awful lot like the Carolina Panthers watching a team hold our premium pick while we still suck because our roster is hot garbage and our QB is trending to be a let down.
Too many QB’s miss. Sit at 6 and let the draft come to you.
What? That is like saying if you sit still you won't miss. Allen and Mahomes were two QB's acquired by trading up. Yes, they were a bit lower but it was a trade for a guy they wanted.. Some of you forget all the misses we have had just sitting there.
You don't like Maye, great, that is fine. But I do and if the Giants do then I trust Schoen and Daboll to be doing the best they can for their jobs. Fastest way to get fired is just sit and wait for stuff..
Keep in mind, as I mentioned above, the Giants have basically let Jones know he isn't the guy here long term and possibly not even short term..
Sitting still does not cost a kings ransom. And as far as hindsight goes I was pissed at the Eli trade. Thank god it worked out but that team had a much better roster. And its debatable that we got the lesser of the two QB's on the board at the time. Love Eli but Rothlisberger is probably the better QB as much as it pains me to say it.
Are you willing to take the chance? I think I am but I vacillate. But you have to admit it's taking a chance.
Much rather take the risk than continue the risk of sticking with Jones. If <insert QB here> is their guy, go get him.
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What? That is like saying if you sit still you won't miss. Allen and Mahomes were two QB's acquired by trading up. Yes, they were a bit lower but it was a trade for a guy they wanted.. Some of you forget all the misses we have had just sitting there.
That is a pretty important little tidbit there. I would be much happier grabbing the WR at 6 and then coming back up for a Penix/Nix type and holding next years 1 which is most likely a top 12 pick at this point.
Doubt you're giving that much.
Hell if JJM isn't looking like the good I can take another QB next year, I still have the picks
It's really amazing just how consequential 2022 was and the moves which followed.
I'll have to listen, but did they indicate that he has the least job security of the teams he's competing with as well? Hard to figure he has any less job security than Kwesi.
@art_stapleton
Twenty years after the Giants drafted Philip Rivers and traded him for Eli Manning, I believe their top quarterback is Drake Maye ... who considers Manning and Rivers among his mentors.
@art_stapleton
Twenty years after the Giants drafted Philip Rivers and traded him for Eli Manning, I believe their top quarterback is Drake Maye ... who considers Manning and Rivers among his mentors.
Ugh.
I'm fine with going after Maye, but this kind of stuff is gross.
I want to hope this kind of thing doesn't weigh into the evaluation.
They did the same thing to Eli Manning except this offense actually has more talent and a better OL than the one Eli inherited in 2004. How did that work out?