I guess you stick and pick Odunze or try to leverage McCarthy to move down but man that will be a bit disappointing, Seems like the most likely scenario too.
Odunze is a fine prospect nothing against him necessarily. He is a bad fit for Jones who cant throw the ball down the field, Nabers seems to be a much better fit for the quick game, slants, screens, etc. I guess its just tough to end up getting boxed into WR3 at pick 6.
Odunze is a fine prospect nothing against him necessarily. He is a bad fit for Jones who cant throw the ball down the field, Nabers seems to be a much better fit for the quick game, slants, screens, etc. I guess its just tough to end up getting boxed into WR3 at pick 6.
Jones can throw the ball down field - probably better than what else they have. He just will not do it. There is a huge difference.
Personally, I let Jones go the minute he is of IL...
You have Minnesota, Las Vegas and Denver wanting a QB. Assuming they have McCarthy rated well, then get the best deal you can and load up. Alternatively, I'm sure there are teams which would love to have Odunze. Trade with them and get a haul. Could work out very well if we use the added picks wisely. The glass is more than half full.
Can't wait for this speculative stuff to end.
I find it interesting that we don’t want the 4th QB
Or the 3rd WR. It is entirely plausible that this draft is loaded with very good quality players at these positions and going with the glass half empty view that we are absolutely settling for inferior talent just because several players at a similar position get drafted before us is narrow minded.
The Giants could do a lot worse than drafting McCarty or Odunze.
Odunze is a fine prospect nothing against him necessarily. He is a bad fit for Jones who cant throw the ball down the field, Nabers seems to be a much better fit for the quick game, slants, screens, etc. I guess its just tough to end up getting boxed into WR3 at pick 6.
We are not making the pick based on fit with Jones. We are picking who best fits with what Dabol wants to do. If Jones cant work with Odunze, Hyatt and Robinson, Lock or whomever else will.
This draft is about moving away from Jones either by taking a QB or building for the next one.
I love Odunze and would be happy to draft him, but You need to take an offer if you can get a 2025 1st and still pick top 10-15. If we don't get our QB this year we need more shots at one next year.
Honest question...Did I miss something indicating that McCarthy is not someone we want at 6?
Mostly conjecture from draft talking heads based on possible discussions with players agents reaction to Giants' level of interest in JJM. No one knows anything.
It makes the decision somewhat easy...it would not be a reach for McCarthy there, Odunze is a clean prospect, and a trade back would probably net a haul.
Honest question...Did I miss something indicating that McCarthy is not someone we want at 6?
Mostly conjecture from draft talking heads based on possible discussions with players agents reaction to Giants' level of interest in JJM. No one knows anything.
In that case I sprint to the podium and take McCarthy. Only thing that would stop me would be an enormous trade offer from Minnesota or Denver that involves multiple 1s and for Denver, Surtain.
You have Minnesota, Las Vegas and Denver wanting a QB. Assuming they have McCarthy rated well, then get the best deal you can and load up. Alternatively, I'm sure there are teams which would love to have Odunze. Trade with them and get a haul. Could work out very well if we use the added picks wisely. The glass is more than half full.
Would be a great pick up. He’s super solid, a high character guy, and is exactly what this team needs, a No. 1 receiver that attacks all levels of the defense.
If JJ is there, trade down. Pick up some MUCH needed assets. You could draft Penix and trade some of that capital for Aiyuk. I think that would make them, at least in the short term, a better team than having to trade up for Maye or even staying put
take Penix according to the leaks today so it works out perfectly for them right?
wrong. lol.
I will say though, a lot of people have Odunze rated in the same general area as Nabors, so not a bad consolation prize and he has size which the Giants lack at WR.
Best case in that scenario they work out a trade back with a team who likes McCarthy and the trade includes a 2025 first. consolation prize, draft Odunze.
Trade down, get another pick from someone like the Vikings
Draft goes:
1 Chi - Williams
2 Wash - Daniels
3 NE, desperate to trade down and unwilling to drop to #11 with Minnesota reduces their demands to the Giants 3rd round #70. Schoen plays hard ball and passes. NE drafts McCarthy.
4 Ariz - MHJ (believing he is Larry Fitzgerald 2.0)
5 LAC ask for #70 to swap with the Giants. Schoen refuses, assuming he’ll get Maye at #6. Minn gives up #11 and #23 and takes Maye.
6 NYG go with the safe pick with Odunze, who ends up having separation issues against NFL corners and turns out to be Golladay 2.0.
Before Schoen can trade up for Nix or Penix, they are drafted at #12 and #13 by the Broncos and Raiders.
The Giants only QB taken is an undrafted free agent from Nowhere State
Maye & Nabers are co-Offensive rookies of the year.
If not, there’s still Rome, or the possibility of a trade down.
If not, there’s still Rome, or the possibility of a trade down.
I'm basing this off the assumption they wont pick Mccarthy after all the insiders reported that last night.
Jones can throw the ball down field - probably better than what else they have. He just will not do it. There is a huge difference.
Personally, I let Jones go the minute he is of IL...
Can't wait for this speculative stuff to end.
The Giants could do a lot worse than drafting McCarty or Odunze.
Honest question...Did I miss something that would us pretty definitively that McCarthy is not someone we would take at 6?
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is why the Giants may have been hoping McCarthy goes in the top five.
Let me ask that again using English...
Honest question...Did I miss something indicating that McCarthy is not someone we want at 6?
We are not making the pick based on fit with Jones. We are picking who best fits with what Dabol wants to do. If Jones cant work with Odunze, Hyatt and Robinson, Lock or whomever else will.
This draft is about moving away from Jones either by taking a QB or building for the next one.
I love Odunze and would be happy to draft him, but You need to take an offer if you can get a 2025 1st and still pick top 10-15. If we don't get our QB this year we need more shots at one next year.
Honest question...Did I miss something indicating that McCarthy is not someone we want at 6?
Mostly conjecture from draft talking heads based on possible discussions with players agents reaction to Giants' level of interest in JJM. No one knows anything.
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Let me ask that again using English...
Honest question...Did I miss something indicating that McCarthy is not someone we want at 6?
Mostly conjecture from draft talking heads based on possible discussions with players agents reaction to Giants' level of interest in JJM. No one knows anything.
In that case I sprint to the podium and take McCarthy. Only thing that would stop me would be an enormous trade offer from Minnesota or Denver that involves multiple 1s and for Denver, Surtain.
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is why the Giants may have been hoping McCarthy goes in the top five.
Honest question...Did I miss something that would us pretty definitively that McCarthy is not someone we would take at 6?
No. Just a gut feeling.
Ask for a 2026 first...for Arch Manning. Half kidding.
Can't wait for this speculative stuff to end.
yup
Ask for a 2026 first...for Arch Manning. Half kidding.
They can get picks 11 and 23 from the Vikings this year.
If they like JJM, they should take him at 6. Don’t screw around and let some team jump you for him.
wrong. lol.
I will say though, a lot of people have Odunze rated in the same general area as Nabors, so not a bad consolation prize and he has size which the Giants lack at WR.
Best case in that scenario they work out a trade back with a team who likes McCarthy and the trade includes a 2025 first. consolation prize, draft Odunze.
Trade up to #3, giving up 2024 #6, #47 and #70 and 2025 1st rounder, pick Maye or McCarty who turn out to be Zach Wilson / Trey Lance bad.
MHJ, Nabers and Odunze turn out to be superstars.
The Giants finish with the worst record in 2024 and have no 1st round pick in 2025.
Trade up to #3, giving up 2024 #6, #47 and #70 and 2025 1st rounder, pick Maye or McCarty who turn out to be Zach Wilson / Trey Lance bad.
MHJ, Nabers and Odunze turn out to be superstars.
The Giants finish with the worst record in 2024 and have no 1st round pick in 2025.
This.
Draft goes:
1 Chi - Williams
2 Wash - Daniels
3 NE, desperate to trade down and unwilling to drop to #11 with Minnesota reduces their demands to the Giants 3rd round #70. Schoen plays hard ball and passes. NE drafts McCarthy.
4 Ariz - MHJ (believing he is Larry Fitzgerald 2.0)
5 LAC ask for #70 to swap with the Giants. Schoen refuses, assuming he’ll get Maye at #6. Minn gives up #11 and #23 and takes Maye.
6 NYG go with the safe pick with Odunze, who ends up having separation issues against NFL corners and turns out to be Golladay 2.0.
Before Schoen can trade up for Nix or Penix, they are drafted at #12 and #13 by the Broncos and Raiders.
The Giants only QB taken is an undrafted free agent from Nowhere State
Maye & Nabers are co-Offensive rookies of the year.