| I've been told the Giants and Vikings are the two teams that have been most active in discussions with the Patriots about the No. 3 pick, and that if Washington takes Daniels at No. 2, the Giants would be very interested in trading up to No. 3 for Maye. I've also been told in recent days that the Giants like Penix and might even be willing to take him as high as No. 6. There's a lot of chatter flying around, but what is clear is that the Giants have done significant work on the quarterbacks and are very open, if not desperate, to come out of Thursday night with one of them. |
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I do agree with Terps that if Penix is good enough to be taken at 12, then why not at 6...
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Because they would mitigate the risk he presents for health reasons by gaining some additional picks if trading back
I just hope all this smoke means the team is moving on from Daniel Jones.
Has no plan B when a play breaks down as evidenced by the fact that he rushed for just 8 yards last season. (That's not going to work in today's NFL.)
Add in his age (24 before training camps open) and his medicals and I don't even want him in RD-2, let alone @ 6.
Also, from my thread yesterday, here's the review by Beacher Report’s Analyst Derrik Klassen:
“His response to pressure is to either throw it away or throw it up for Odunze… In the NFL you’re going to have to have a lot more.” “He doesn’t have answers to get outside the pocket. His scramble rate was around 1%. In the NFL that’s not going to fly. In 1980 maybe. Today there’s no shot.” “His adjusted accuracy rate is also worse than all the other QBs except for Rattler.” “That’s not great given all the offensive talent he had, plus superior coaching.” “He had everything you could want and he still was not an accurate passer.” “In the 1-10 yard area, he just doesn’t have that timing that rhythm that flexibility to throw it very well and that’s a big hinderance.” “He struggles with touch.”
I agree it's Maye or bust for the Giants. It's also looking like NE will take JJM. That puts the Giants and the Vikings in competition with Arizona for #4. My guess is we win that battle and Maye is a Giant by 9PM tomorrow night. The only way that doesn't happen is if AZ asks for a ridiculous haul of draft picks.
To be honest, there’s no bad situation here for the Giants. Unless they feel Maye is a 12 year franchise QB worthy of #1 overall in any draft. And worth the overpay.
But if all this maneuvering causes the Vikes to overpay to get into the third slot. Or 4th slot.
And AZ to overpay to get back to the 5th slot.
Giants may still be able to choose a dominate WR. Or even better, all those overpays to move up, causes a desired player to fall to six and someone has to pay this years cost to move up to six.
This isn’t a Cedric Jones or Devonta Smith situation IMO. Where there’s less targeted players available than their pick number in the draft.
Anyway, Giants taking Penix at 6 is a non-issue imv, this is about motivating the Pats.
Any chance you have a link to that. I’m blown away reading that. For the simple fact of my blind comments about him int he QB stats thread from yesterday 😮
Anyway, Giants taking Penix at 6 is a non-issue imv, this is about motivating the Pats.
Agreed, I don't think they are seriously considering him at 6 for themselves.
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His response to pressure is to either throw it away or throw it up for Odunze
Any chance you have a link to that. I’m blown away reading that. For the simple fact of my blind comments about him int he QB stats thread from yesterday 😮
The link to that thread is below. The OP contains the link to the interview. QBs are discussed in the first half of the video and the other skill positions in the second half.
QB Takes - ( New Window )
How is this any different than the last few days;)
This is a great thread, BTW! Some good insight.
Has no plan B when a play breaks down as evidenced by the fact that he rushed for just 8 yards last season. (That's not going to work in today's NFL.)
Add in his age (24 before training camps open) and his medicals and I don't even want him in RD-2, let alone @ 6.
Also, from my thread yesterday, here's the review by Beacher Report’s Analyst Derrik Klassen:
“His response to pressure is to either throw it away or throw it up for Odunze… In the NFL you’re going to have to have a lot more.” “He doesn’t have answers to get outside the pocket. His scramble rate was around 1%. In the NFL that’s not going to fly. In 1980 maybe. Today there’s no shot.” “His adjusted accuracy rate is also worse than all the other QBs except for Rattler.” “That’s not great given all the offensive talent he had, plus superior coaching.” “He had everything you could want and he still was not an accurate passer.” “In the 1-10 yard area, he just doesn’t have that timing that rhythm that flexibility to throw it very well and that’s a big hinderance.” “He struggles with touch.”
Not to mention his body is made of porcelain.
Could be motivating the Pats. Could be one last try to get them to agree to the current framework before upping their offer. Could also be pressure to get the Pats to accept the Giants proposal over the Vikings proposal.
I think this is all to try and extort more from NYG.
Picking a black QB at 6 on national TV would go a long way to eliminate that narrative (as ridiculous as I personally think it is) I would imagine.
Penix at 6 is much more ideal than any of the WRs.
I think this is all to try and extort more from NYG.
Agreed, and I would ignore it. We made an offer. Now it's time to tell them to take it or leave it, and if the latter, then we walk away. My guess is they take JJM anyway, and then we can deal with AZ for Maye. But even then, we should take the same approach and not get into a relentless bidding war with the Vikings. Make an offer and say no if AZ asks for more.
I guess I'm in the minority, but I don't think it's a disaster if we don't get JJM or Maye. The disaster would be massively overpaying for either. Take one of the other QBs, maybe after a trade down, or punt the entire issue until next year.
I think this is all to try and extort more from NYG.
I agree. I don't see how the Pats risk going all the way to 11 if they want a specific QB. A HUGE risk for them.
it's not realistic because 36 hours before the draft - the guy on most draft boards in the 30-40 range suddenly becomes a "realistic option" at 6. lol. Ok.
Wow! You have access to most draft boards!?! Do the Giants know this? You should probably contact Schoen. Might hook you up with a sweet job for that intel.
Can we all acknowledge that the order the QBs are taken in the draft isn't going to be how their careers will be ranked?
Penix at 6 is much more ideal than any of the WRs.
I tend to agree. I think a decent chunk of his perceived flaws are him playing within the Washington system and to the strengths of his receivers.
If the team wishes to trade back within the middle of the first round (or better yet, atop the second) to draft either Penix or Nix, so be it.
At 6???
Nabers or Odunze will be there. They make much more sense.
Let the LVR or SEA trade the farm for you at 6, let them take Penix instead and fill the multiple holes in the roster. Otherwise this move makes little sense.
Can we all acknowledge that the order the QBs are taken in the draft isn't going to be how their careers will be ranked?
Amen to this.
We talk about who Eli likes, well IIRC Phil Simms lives this guy. That plays a factor.
Does the reference to Penix and not JJM suggest knowledge that JJ won't be there at 6? There is a lot to unravel in that question, IMO.
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I think the rumors of Kraft loving JJM and the front office preferring a trade down with Nix/Penix are most likely true. I obviously think they are wise to prefer JJM or a trade down as I don't like Maye's bust potential. Nevertheless, I'd be excited it Schdabs get Maye because I believe in Daboll's ability to get the most out of QBs. Especially if Schoen can work it to where he somehow doesn't give up 47 or 2025 1st which I think is possible with the 3 team trade and giving up some player(s).
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They would be fools to trade back into QB row. You basically put yourself into the exact position MN has spent this whole time trying to get out of.
Except in the 3-way deal, NE still is guaranteed to get their guy plus assets. It's why it makes sense for them.
Put it this way, if the Giants could get the guy they wanted plus a draft pick, wouldn't you do it?
Of course. I literally proposed the 3-way deal a month ago before anything was out there. I called it a win win win, because it is.
The forum told me it couldn't happen becuase 3-way deals only happen in NBA. BS. NYG was talking to NE --there is no way they wouldn';t leverage the Ryan Cowden connection to bring Az into the mix if that's what it takes to get their guy.
Yep, we were the only ones mentioning this back then. I even had people basicly telling me you keep saying this nonsense about a 3 team trade and it's stupid.
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His response to pressure is to either throw it away or throw it up for Odunze
Any chance you have a link to that. I’m blown away reading that. For the simple fact of my blind comments about him int he QB stats thread from yesterday 😮
The link to that thread is below. The OP contains the link to the interview. QBs are discussed in the first half of the video and the other skill positions in the second half. QB Takes - ( New Window )
Awesome, thanks Jim
Bait taken.
I felt like Schoen's comment about guys with injuries being cleared by the medical team during his press conference was very intentional.
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And it happens, a lot of fans will be mad but they shouldn’t be. Penix is criminally underrated.
Penix at 6 is much more ideal than any of the WRs.
I tend to agree. I think a decent chunk of his perceived flaws are him playing within the Washington system and to the strengths of his receivers.
Agree with this completely. The idea is to get the QB you can best build an offense around. Many on this site thing the draft is to maximize draft value. It's like going to the store to find the best deal you can get instead of buying what you really want.
The Wrath of Terps may be insufferable... ;)
The Wrath of Terps may be insufferable... ;)
A "great" QB who completely shits the bed in the playoffs...
I'm not suggesting that, but Terps is not shy about reminding people what could have been if his player was a NYG player...
The Wrath of Terps may be insufferable... ;)
Oh, and he (and others) also thought Malik Willis would be a "great" QB. "Great" enough to take in the top 10...
Or did he just go on a hiatus then too?
Oh, and he (and others) also thought Malik Willis would be a "great" QB. "Great" enough to take in the top 10...
That is a mischaracterization. But not surprising.
No one said Willis would be a great QB. The idea was Willis had a high-end toolbox that was worth a first-round investment.
Maye
Big Framed- Check Plus
Tall- Check/Check Plus
High Character- Check
Strong Arm- Check plus
Ceiling- Plus/Plus
Injury history- Check plus
Age- Check plus (young= more room for growth)
McCarthy
Big Framed- Check
Tall- Check minus
High Character- Check plus
Strong Arm- Check plus
Ceiling- Check Plus
Injury history- Check plus
Age- Check plus
Penix
Big Framed- Check
Tall- Check /Check Minus
High Character- Check
Strong Arm- Check plus
Ceiling- Check plus
Injury history- Check minus
Age- Check minus
Nix
Big Framed- Check
Tall- Check minus
High Character- Check
Strong Arm- Check plus
Ceiling- Check plus
Injury history- Check
Age- Minus
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Oh, and he (and others) also thought Malik Willis would be a "great" QB. "Great" enough to take in the top 10...
That is a mischaracterization. But not surprising.
No one said Willis would be a great QB. The idea was Willis had a high-end toolbox that was worth a first-round investment.
So you’re saying you would take a QB with the 5th pick thinking he might not be a great QB?
lol, come on now.
So you’re saying you would take a QB with the 5th pick thinking he might not be a great QB?
lol, come on now.
Of course, you hope the selection becomes great.
'wheels writes that posters were saying Willis would be great. Like he was a sure thing. That was never the case.
The point was, again, to take a shot with a guy who had legit dual threat skills and hope Daboll could develop him.
Particularly from a dupe.
Lol he didn’t take a break. He got called out and couldn’t handle it and came back gloating after Jones worst game of his career. That’s what is lame.