| I've been told the Giants and Vikings are the two teams that have been most active in discussions with the Patriots about the No. 3 pick, and that if Washington takes Daniels at No. 2, the Giants would be very interested in trading up to No. 3 for Maye. I've also been told in recent days that the Giants like Penix and might even be willing to take him as high as No. 6. There's a lot of chatter flying around, but what is clear is that the Giants have done significant work on the quarterbacks and are very open, if not desperate, to come out of Thursday night with one of them. |
Penix is rumored to be a fit for Minn and NE if they dont take McCarthy
Because it is a reach (health questions alone).. But if Maye and JJM are gone then where do you go?
It seems pretty obvious to me that the Giants have decided Jones is not the guy (both play and health)..
If Penix is after JJM, then I would try to move back to 9/10 and grab him there.. But whatever at this point I think we know they want a QB..
Many, but this has always been a last-ditch type option. I even talked about it on the Scout's Honor podcast.
The issue is Penix could go as high as the teens, and as low as the 2nd round. Depends on medicals.
I suspect that you are right and people who do that, misunderstand the draft.
We have the 6th pick. We dont have the 15th pick (or whatever pick makes Penix Palatable) and if you attempt to trade back you first have to find a willing partner and you likely lose the QB you want.
I understand that complaint if it is likely that Penix would be there at 47 but he wont be.
And what if they trade back and some team jumps ahead and takes Penix? I do agree with Terps that if Penix is good enough to be taken at 12, then why not at 6...
I for one would love a trade back that nets a couple extra picks and then they select Penix.
Needs to operate from a clean pocket, did not look great in the game against a pro-style defense (Michigan), injury concerns....
At this point, I think I am Maye or bust. Either trade up for him or trade back for the best WR available.
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then people here are going to be screaming again that we reached.
I suspect that you are right and people who do that, misunderstand the draft.
We have the 6th pick. We dont have the 15th pick (or whatever pick makes Penix Palatable) and if you attempt to trade back you first have to find a willing partner and you likely lose the QB you want.
I understand that complaint if it is likely that Penix would be there at 47 but he wont be.
It goes back to the George Young quote after drafting Simms. "Well, we don't have a late first round pick."
I don't believe in reaching on QBs, you either get it right or don't.
Click bait.
As I see all the rumors shake out closer to the draft I can't help but notice they're starting to show a pattern that we're disinterested in McCarthy.
Is it possible that McCarthy is our guy and Schoen is trying to convince the Vikings that they don't need to jump ahead of us if Maye goes to the Pats so McCarthy falls to 6?
Sure.
From this point on, don't assume anything is the truth.
The stakes are too high.
Forcing the issue will result in new management in 2025 and a new coaching staff.
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So teams up their offers to move up?
Sure.
From this point on, don't assume anything is the truth.
The stakes are too high.
Yep, if I’m the Broncos or Raiders, this lights a fire under my butt to secure the next QB on my board.
Decreasing what we’d need to move up would make more sense I think. But I don’t think this noise actually helps or hurts in the grand scheme of things.
Forcing the issue will result in new management in 2025 and a new coaching staff.
The problem is doing nothing could have the same result.
Welcome to QB hell.
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So teams up their offers to move up?
Decreasing what we’d need to move up would make more sense I think. But I don’t think this noise actually helps or hurts in the grand scheme of things.
I can see it working both ways.
and then trade back in to the first or early 2nd to take Penix even including 2025 1st. That is if they have conviction Penix is the guy.
Taking him at 6 isn't bad because of the player, it's bad because he's projected to go much later. it's like the Patriots picking Logan Mankins in the 1st. the guy is a borderline HOFer, but reality is he was more than likely going to be available much later (like rounds later). so it represented bad value where they selected him, just like Penix would at 6.
IOW, put simply for the mouth breathers, if the Patriots took Tom Brady in the 1st round of the 2000 NFL draft it would have been a terrible pick and he's arguably the GOAT QB and it has nothing to do with that.
This guy always swings and misses. Now if garafolo reported this, it would be a different story.
This.
This is a good point.
If Penix is New England's fallback with a trade down, the Giants may have just put some doubt in their minds.
and then trade back in to the first or early 2nd to take Penix even including 2025 1st. That is if they have conviction Penix is the guy.
Taking him at 6 isn't bad because of the player, it's bad because he's projected to go much later. it's like the Patriots picking Logan Mankins in the 1st. the guy is a borderline HOFer, but reality is he was more than likely going to be available much later (like rounds later). so it represented bad value where they selected him, just like Penix would at 6.
IOW, put simply for the mouth breathers, if the Patriots took Tom Brady in the 1st round of the 2000 NFL draft it would have been a terrible pick and he's arguably the GOAT QB and it has nothing to do with that.
He may not be there. There’s buzz the Raiders are taking him at 13
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a far better strategy would be to make the pick at 6. Nabors, Odunze, whoever.
and then trade back in to the first or early 2nd to take Penix even including 2025 1st. That is if they have conviction Penix is the guy.
Taking him at 6 isn't bad because of the player, it's bad because he's projected to go much later. it's like the Patriots picking Logan Mankins in the 1st. the guy is a borderline HOFer, but reality is he was more than likely going to be available much later (like rounds later). so it represented bad value where they selected him, just like Penix would at 6.
IOW, put simply for the mouth breathers, if the Patriots took Tom Brady in the 1st round of the 2000 NFL draft it would have been a terrible pick and he's arguably the GOAT QB and it has nothing to do with that.
He may not be there. There’s buzz the Raiders are taking him at 13
If Penix didn't have the medicals, he'd be talked about in the top 2 in my opinion. If they are not worried about the medicals, I would have no issue with him at 6. He's a great kid with huge upside. It would also signal the giants are ready to break their "qb mold" as he is the complete opposite of anything we have had before.
Yeah definitely helps on multiple fronts. It’s beautiful, really.
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then people here are going to be screaming again that we reached.
Many, but this has always been a last-ditch type option. I even talked about it on the Scout's Honor podcast.
The issue is Penix could go as high as the teens, and as low as the 2nd round. Depends on medicals.
I'm not concerned about medicals....as he's been clean for 2+ years. I'm concerned about the RT covering his blind side.
it's like Daniel Jones won't be there at 17 all over again.
Hopefully Schoen doesn't react to the "buzz is...." like fans do.
it's like Daniel Jones won't be there at 17 all over again.
Hopefully Schoen doesn't react to the "buzz is...." like fans do.
For the record I don’t believe the Giants are taking Penix at 6, but leaking this for leverage.
Ideally, we can take advantage of the fact that there will be true blue chippers at premium positions available at 6 and exploit the Titans, Falcons, Bears for picks while we keep the fallback QB target in arms reach. This goes for JJM too.
it's like Daniel Jones won't be there at 17 all over again.
Hopefully Schoen doesn't react to the "buzz is...." like fans do.
No one is leaking the Giants may take Penix at 6 except for the Giants.
It doesn't serve anyone else's purpose. But it serves New York's purpose.
and then trade back in to the first or early 2nd to take Penix even including 2025 1st. That is if they have conviction Penix is the guy.
Taking him at 6 isn't bad because of the player, it's bad because he's projected to go much later. it's like the Patriots picking Logan Mankins in the 1st. the guy is a borderline HOFer, but reality is he was more than likely going to be available much later (like rounds later). so it represented bad value where they selected him, just like Penix would at 6.
IOW, put simply for the mouth breathers, if the Patriots took Tom Brady in the 1st round of the 2000 NFL draft it would have been a terrible pick and he's arguably the GOAT QB and it has nothing to do with that.
Trading back into the first, to the mid teens, would be expensive, probably this and next years 2nd plus some. And that’s if he’s there. Giant risk if you like the player.
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a far better strategy would be to make the pick at 6. Nabors, Odunze, whoever.
and then trade back in to the first or early 2nd to take Penix even including 2025 1st. That is if they have conviction Penix is the guy.
Taking him at 6 isn't bad because of the player, it's bad because he's projected to go much later. it's like the Patriots picking Logan Mankins in the 1st. the guy is a borderline HOFer, but reality is he was more than likely going to be available much later (like rounds later). so it represented bad value where they selected him, just like Penix would at 6.
IOW, put simply for the mouth breathers, if the Patriots took Tom Brady in the 1st round of the 2000 NFL draft it would have been a terrible pick and he's arguably the GOAT QB and it has nothing to do with that.
Trading back into the first, to the mid teens, would be expensive, probably this and next years 2nd plus some. And that’s if he’s there. Giant risk if you like the player.
Right, but again, that is a better strategy than 36 hours before the draft adjusting your draft board for a player that had been projected late 1st/early 2nd to pick him at 6 because you suddenly believe the "buzz" in peak lying season.
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What I can tell you about Michael Penix Jr. & #Giants:
1. Giants sent every critical person to Washington's pro day where they also had dinner with the Huskies QB
2. QB coach Shea Tierney worked with Penix Jr. on the field at both Senior Bowl AND NFL Combine, as well
3. Joe Schoen seemed to intimate last week that Giants were comfortable with Penix Jr.'s medical, indirectly noting that when a player responds well to surgeries and issues, that's a good indicator
4. Penix Jr. ultimately did NOT take a top 30 visit to the Giants. This could mean something, or nothing. Meeting ownership in some form a key component, though
Ideally, we can take advantage of the fact that there will be true blue chippers at premium positions available at 6 and exploit the Titans, Falcons, Bears for picks while we keep the fallback QB target in arms reach. This goes for JJM too.
Even if this rumor were true, I don't think Nix is in play for the Giants at 6. This was more along a reference of QBs the Giants like. (He's in the no-mans land between our two picks).
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"the buzz is" the Giants are getting played.
it's like Daniel Jones won't be there at 17 all over again.
Hopefully Schoen doesn't react to the "buzz is...." like fans do.
No one is leaking the Giants may take Penix at 6 except for the Giants.
It doesn't serve anyone else's purpose. But it serves New York's purpose.
Graziano names his source as the Giants? All he says is in the clip above is "I've been told" is there detail in the link (it's ESPN+ which I do not have) where he says it's the Giants telling him this?