| I've been told the Giants and Vikings are the two teams that have been most active in discussions with the Patriots about the No. 3 pick, and that if Washington takes Daniels at No. 2, the Giants would be very interested in trading up to No. 3 for Maye. I've also been told in recent days that the Giants like Penix and might even be willing to take him as high as No. 6. There's a lot of chatter flying around, but what is clear is that the Giants have done significant work on the quarterbacks and are very open, if not desperate, to come out of Thursday night with one of them. |
Each of the top 6 have potential pros/cons. Penix is no different. His pure passer prowess is easy to see (less of a projection that JJM and some others).
The Giants have aggressively sought out the QB's and have been rumored to want multiple QB's and linked to trade up options for Maye/Daniels/JJM and now ok with Penix at 6. How does Jones (the person) even want to play here after this? More importantly how would the Giants organization and staff be able to sell Jones as the QB to the team, many of whom were added last year (offensively) and this year with no "bond" or attachment to Jones in place...
To me, this is as close to Kerry Collins 2004 offseason as you will ever see or even Jimmy G with SF two years ago..
Of course, he doesn't say where he got it.
Again, releasing this info makes a lot of sense if the Giants want to deter New England from trading down with the Vikings.
The Vikings are our #1 problem right now.
Does the reference to Penix and not JJM suggest knowledge that JJ won't be there at 6? There is a lot to unravel in that question, IMO.
But Penix....oh...I don't know at 6.
None of you know what QB will hit....all are a risk....a major risk!
None of you know the order the Giants have them....
But Penix....oh...I don't know at 6.
None of you know what QB will hit....all are a risk....a major risk!
None of you know the order the Giants have them....
Well, we can start another Daniel Jones sucks thread if that makes you happy.
But Penix....oh...I don't know at 6.
None of you know what QB will hit....all are a risk....a major risk!
None of you know the order the Giants have them....
True but many of us have clear issues with a guy with a lengthy injury history.. With our injury history that has to be considered.
Does the reference to Penix and not JJM suggest knowledge that JJ won't be there at 6? There is a lot to unravel in that question, IMO.
What everyone needs to understand is there is a massive battle going on behind the scenes between the Giants and Vikings for Maye.
So why not take the guy with the most injuries who also struggles with pressure.
It would be a typical Giants move. Maybe in round 2 we can take a guy with a lot of injuries and is contemplating retirement?
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then people here are going to be screaming again that we reached.
Many, but this has always been a last-ditch type option. I even talked about it on the Scout's Honor podcast.
The issue is Penix could go as high as the teens, and as low as the 2nd round. Depends on medicals.
I'm not concerned about medicals....as he's been clean for 2+ years. I'm concerned about the RT covering his blind side.
There may be a different RT soon.
I don't see it and if the Giants select him I would hope to be wrong.
There are some prognosticators in the media who are far more knowledgeable than I am and who love Penix. He is getting a lot of love lately.
Penix would be a very risky selection for many reasons.
I would not want to be Schoen if Penix were injured in the preseason.
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The next day, NYG leaks that they'd be fine taking Penix at 6. This one is pretty easy to read.
Does the reference to Penix and not JJM suggest knowledge that JJ won't be there at 6? There is a lot to unravel in that question, IMO.
What everyone needs to understand is there is a massive battle going on behind the scenes between the Giants and Vikings for Maye.
Of course. NYG is telling NE --don't just trade back to 11 and assume Penix will be there for you.
Lots of gamesmanship going on here.
p.s.--What say you to betting Penix at +6000 as the 6th overall pick?
Lots of gamesmanship going on here.
Well, it's so transparent that Kraft could also call our bluff. But regardless, it's a wide leak (if it is an intentional leak).
I’m simply saying your trade up scenario doesn’t appear to be realistic and comes with risk, not sure how that’s considered a better strategy unless you happen to know Penix won’t be taken by anyone else.
I think what is going on right now is the Patriots are trying to goad the Giants into giving up more assets. If the Patriots really want McCarthy, it's a big risk for them to drop too far. Now the Giants are trying to tell them their fallback may be off the table too.
This really comes down to how much of a risk the Patriots want to take. Now NE could simply take McCarthy at #3, but they don't get any extras out of that.
Again, I think the 3-way day makes the most sense for all parties. If stars-and-stripes nails that, he's in gloveone territory.
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Again, I think the 3-way day makes the most sense for all parties. If stars-and-stripes nails that, he's in gloveone territory.
And if he doesn't, he's dead to us. Dead I tell you!
No, it is still a good thread.
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Is a good sign for those of us wanting Maye. It means we're in the race.
I think what is going on right now is the Patriots are trying to goad the Giants into giving up more assets. If the Patriots really want McCarthy, it's a big risk for them to drop too far. Now the Giants are trying to tell them their fallback may be off the table too.
This really comes down to how much of a risk the Patriots want to take. Now NE could simply take McCarthy at #3, but they don't get any extras out of that.
Again, I think the 3-way day makes the most sense for all parties. If stars-and-stripes nails that, he's in gloveone territory.
Except in the 3-way deal, NE still is guaranteed to get their guy plus assets. It's why it makes sense for them.
Put it this way, if the Giants could get the guy they wanted plus a draft pick, wouldn't you do it?
One person here says the Giants have a "type" for their QB and let's say that is true with various people and teams. Then maybe Mayo wants his QB with Brissett there now and maybe Penix as the young developing QB.. Maybe the Giants know that and that spurred them to drop the hint that don't think he makes it past us if you trade elsewhere.
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Is a good sign for those of us wanting Maye. It means we're in the race.
I think what is going on right now is the Patriots are trying to goad the Giants into giving up more assets. If the Patriots really want McCarthy, it's a big risk for them to drop too far. Now the Giants are trying to tell them their fallback may be off the table too.
This really comes down to how much of a risk the Patriots want to take. Now NE could simply take McCarthy at #3, but they don't get any extras out of that.
Again, I think the 3-way day makes the most sense for all parties. If stars-and-stripes nails that, he's in gloveone territory.
Absolutely. A deal back to 11 without a trade back up is SUPER risky for NE. As I just said, that puts them into the exact position right in QB row MN has been desperate to get out of. For one, unless they LOVE Maye, I think the NE front offense would push hard to make this deal. Their roster is desperate for more picks. If NY controls the path to #4, they have massive advantage with NE.
I think your read is correct. NE sees the situation and is trying to squeeze a little more juice from the lemon. NY is saying --are you sure you want to take a chance like that? Take the deal.
Of course, he doesn't say where he got it.
Again, releasing this info makes a lot of sense if the Giants want to deter New England from trading down with the Vikings.
The Vikings are our #1 problem right now.
I'm getting it. I think maybe some of you are not getting it - this is likely BS and the Giants are almost definitely not taking Penix at 6.
NE not intent in getting a QB is one thing that I absolutely would not buy.
Giants want to box out Vikes for Maye, Pats want to ensure JJ if they move down. It also suggests Vikes may have the upper hand at trading up for #4, if the Pats stay put and draft JJ.
It's all coming into focus, now can Schoen pull it off.
Lol, wasn't it just 3 or 4 days ago, that there were reports that Chicago might take JJM #1?
It serves New York's purpose.
I’m simply saying your trade up scenario doesn’t appear to be realistic and comes with risk, not sure how that’s considered a better strategy unless you happen to know Penix won’t be taken by anyone else.
it's not realistic because 36 hours before the draft - the guy on most draft boards in the 30-40 range suddenly becomes a "realistic option" at 6. lol. Ok.
Prior to this report the Giants getting a WR like Nabers or Odunze at 6 and Penix or Nix sometime after seemed completely realistic.
Sometime after could be a trade back into the 1st, a trade up in the 2nd, but it certainly seemed realistic and it probably still is unless you believe things that get released 36 hours before the draft.
Giants want to box out Vikes for Maye, Pats want to ensure JJ if they move down. It also suggests Vikes may have the upper hand at trading up for #4, if the Pats stay put and draft JJ.
It's all coming into focus, now can Schoen pull it off.
Ding...ding...ding....
If Maye gets to #4, then it is us versus the Vikings 2.0 and that may be harder to win. Why? Because the Cards can trade back and then trade up to #5 still (they've done this before).
Ha. The amount of shit I would take here every time he threw an incompletion would be something, I'm sure.
If the Giants drafted Penix it'd be the biggest surprise they've ever handed me in almost 40 years as a fan. No way that happens.
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They would be fools to trade back into QB row. You basically put yourself into the exact position MN has spent this whole time trying to get out of.
Except in the 3-way deal, NE still is guaranteed to get their guy plus assets. It's why it makes sense for them.
Put it this way, if the Giants could get the guy they wanted plus a draft pick, wouldn't you do it?
Of course. I literally proposed the 3-way deal a month ago before anything was out there. I called it a win win win, because it is.
The forum told me it couldn't happen becuase 3-way deals only happen in NBA. BS. NYG was talking to NE --there is no way they wouldn';t leverage the Ryan Cowden connection to bring Az into the mix if that's what it takes to get their guy.
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Giants leak today they're considering Penix at #6 as a response.
Giants want to box out Vikes for Maye, Pats want to ensure JJ if they move down. It also suggests Vikes may have the upper hand at trading up for #4, if the Pats stay put and draft JJ.
It's all coming into focus, now can Schoen pull it off.
Ding...ding...ding....
If Maye gets to #4, then it is us versus the Vikings 2.0 and that may be harder to win. Why? Because the Cards can trade back and then trade up to #5 still (they've done this before).
Cards can't risk losing their WR of choice, if Vikes come to 4 it will probably include JJ.. Doubt they want to do that. My bigger worry would be Vikes at 5.. So overall we need to get to 3 or 4.