Giants and Minny are 100% ready to pay a big price for Maye. Pats clearly lukewarm on Maye because if they had the franchise grade on him they wouldn't be 'open for business'. Pats are NOT taking Maye at 3 that is smoke.
Owner likes JJ a lot but they don't have some monster grade on him to outright take him at 3 like they do Daniels or Williams. Refer to their front office quote of having to be in 'absolute love' with a QB to take him at 3.
Pats know very well both Giants and Minny two teams with significant enough draft capital to make the move have Maye with a franchise grade. Maye is a QB in many 'normal' drafts that would be QB1 and worthy of the first overall pick. Pats supposedly expect an offer worthy of getting QB1 to move back.
Giants and Minny know getting to 3 is the 'checkmate' move of all moves to get their new face of the franchise and future of the organization.
Giants seem to have upper hand because it comes down to satisfying what the team you are trading with wants most while outbidding the other team. Pats want the right kind of picks AND a sure fire way to get McCarthy. Minny's is 100% all in on trying to get Maye so this will inevitably drive up the cost. I don't know parameters for sure as that was never discussed, but from the sense of it and other reports Minny at minimum ready to part with 11/23 and a 2025 1st round pick .
Cards are NYG's potential ace in the hole. Cards clearly want to leave this draft with the blue-chip pass catcher who likely won't have a long learning curve. That guy won't be available much past 6. Cards however also waived the big 'open for sale' sign at the outset of the league meetings so we know they are ready to move for the right cost too.
This is where some machination of one big trade or a succession of trades would transpire where Giants get 3, Pats get 4 and Cards get 6.
The main competing offer from the sound of it was Minny getting the Chargers with a new regime and somewhat cash strapped & stripped down roster agreeing to move down. I'm guessing here but would assume the main framework would be for their 11 & 23. This gives Harbaugh two first round stabs in a top heavy and deep draft to get two high-level starters to accelerate the rebuild around Herbert. I would imagine once Minny got to 5 they would offer the 2025 1st to get Pats to swap from 3 to 5.
How do those offers compare? It quite possibly comes down to what could happen at 4 if Kraft does deal with Minny and if Kraft values our 2025 #1 or theirs higher.
As mentioned earlier, Cards don't want a big move down so that eliminates a bunch of teams from having the ability to get to 4 for McCarthy.
Giants who like Maye more but apparently like McCarthy right under him have the ability to change the calculus. They easily could and would swoop in at 4 and take McCarthy at a much lower cost than Maye at 3.
Giants want the new face of franchise QB. Eisen's proclamation of Giants moving on from DJ sounds very true and that is quite clear at this point. Getting the QB is not an easy thing to do. Only a few human beings in this world have the ability to play quarterback in the NFL at a high level.
If Kraft truly wants McCarthy, Giants deal may be the only way to go and why it sounds like we have the upper hand to make this deal.
Bottomline, Giants get their future QB with a franchise grade, Kraft gets McCarthy , Wolf gets his picks, and Cards get their blue chip pass catcher
Jayden is the pick at 2
Patriots will be taking Maye or JJ (sounds like Maye and can only see them moving if they could guarantee they get one of them)
Chiefs taking LT in R1
AD Mitchell has been removed from many team's boards
Cowboys going RB in R2
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JJ is definitely still in play for the Pats but I think they prefer Maye. Hope I'm wrong. Giants will need to outbid Vikings and Broncos for Maye if he slides to 4.
NO, but JJ might. If NYG likes JJ and he falls to 6, they could draft him and still remain in the game to deal with NE for Maye, ala Eli/Rivers.
if MIN loves qb3 or 4 as much as they seem to i still think there's a chance they'd make some kind of crazy offer.
also still think NE is coming out with a QB.
so same as its been for a while now, how big of an offer does MIN make?
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Despite offers from other teams, I'm still hearing that the Patriots are going to stay at 3 and take their QB. Expect Drake Maye to be the pick.
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would never happen, but the dream scenario would be Maye falling to #6.
NO, but JJ might. If NYG likes JJ and he falls to 6, they could draft him and still remain in the game to deal with NE for Maye, ala Eli/Rivers.
Pretty sure the league changed the rules to not allow this anymore
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would never happen, but the dream scenario would be Maye falling to #6.
NO, but JJ might. If NYG likes JJ and he falls to 6, they could draft him and still remain in the game to deal with NE for Maye, ala Eli/Rivers.
Possible. Denver is still a threat, but they don't have the ammo that the Vikings do.
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Despite offers from other teams, I'm still hearing that the Patriots are going to stay at 3 and take their QB. Expect Drake Maye to be the pick.
I don't buy it.
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Despite offers from other teams, I'm still hearing that the Patriots are going to stay at 3 and take their QB. Expect Drake Maye to be the pick.
Patriots HAVE to come away with a QB in their draft. Makes sense as they have a shot at the 2nd or 3rd rated QB, they better take it.
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Despite offers from other teams, I'm still hearing that the Patriots are going to stay at 3 and take their QB. Expect Drake Maye to be the pick.
I don't buy it.
Me neither. We seem to have moved beyond that phase and into the saying things to create last minute leverage phase of negotiations.
What might be new is the Chargers perhaps trading with the Vikings. In that situation, the Patriots would have to be guaranteed to be able to trade with Arizona in order to get JJM.
This all reeks of desperation by the Giants and Vikings. Schoen and his counterpart at Minnesota appear to be making moves to try and keep their jobs instead of what is in the best interest of their teams.
I don’t know how dialed in he is with the current staff and their way of thinking, but he still has ties to the org…
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JJ is definitely still in play for the Pats but I think they prefer Maye. Hope I'm wrong. Giants will need to outbid Vikings and Broncos for Maye if he slides to 4.
Eric, so I’m guessing what Rickey said on BBI earlier in the week that the Giants don’t like Maye and even if he’s at 6 they’d look to trade back was just a total smokescreen?
I think it was always going to be this way. It's easy for Mara to talk job security in April 2024. If our season is over early again and Drew Lock is our QB, there will be growing pressure for a new regime to pick their QB in 2025. Mara won't want to risk "screwing up" the 2025 QB with mid-rookie deal coach/GM change again ala Jones.
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Despite offers from other teams, I'm still hearing that the Patriots are going to stay at 3 and take their QB. Expect Drake Maye to be the pick.
I’ve said this a 1000 times, this makes the most sense. I have a very hard time believing a team that needs a QB more than anyone trades out of this spot…whether it’s Maye or JJ. (Unless that 3way trade is actually real)
Pats stay put draft Maye.
Vikings stay put and draft Penix or Bo Nix.
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Despite offers from other teams, I'm still hearing that the Patriots are going to stay at 3 and take their QB. Expect Drake Maye to be the pick.
I don't buy it.
Me neither. Kraft wants JJM and Wolf wants to trade down for some extra picks. If Maye were their guy, then there wouldn't be so much noise about dealing out of the 3rd pick.
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JJ is definitely still in play for the Pats but I think they prefer Maye. Hope I'm wrong. Giants will need to outbid Vikings and Broncos for Maye if he slides to 4.
Eric, so I’m guessing what Rickey said on BBI earlier in the week that the Giants don’t like Maye and even if he’s at 6 they’d look to trade back was just a total smokescreen?
I never saw him say that.
I don't even know if Rickey is a con-man who had one piece of intel and is milking it.
Let's hope a shitty method yields a good player.
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Despite offers from other teams, I'm still hearing that the Patriots are going to stay at 3 and take their QB. Expect Drake Maye to be the pick.
Talent wise, Maye makes sense.
But I think intangibles will be the reason Kraft leans hard on Wolf to go back to the well and take another Wolverine.
They are going to need a Tony Robbins-type personality to deal with an offense that is one of the worst in the NFL in terms of personnel. JMac spews that...
They could trade back to 5 and then back up to 4 with AZ.
Vikings get Maye
Pats get McCarthy plus picks
AZ gets WR1 plus picks
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Despite offers from other teams, I'm still hearing that the Patriots are going to stay at 3 and take their QB. Expect Drake Maye to be the pick.
I’ve said this a 1000 times, this makes the most sense. I have a very hard time believing a team that needs a QB more than anyone trades out of this spot…whether it’s Maye or JJ. (Unless that 3way trade is actually real)
Agreed. The first rule of drafting is that if you need a QB, and can take one at your slot in the first round, that you do so, and ignore all trade down offers.
No hard info here just postulating
Can Pats convince Giants or Minny they'd take Maye at 3? I don't think so.
Do Minny and Giants reverse course (from what I heard) call Pats bluff and not offer them anything?
Problem is Minny might have edge for Cards pick since they can get 5 from Chargers with 11 & 23. Would Cards go to 6 and risk one of MHJ/Nabers/Odunze being gone? Depends on how close the grades are for 2 of the 3, I guess and how much they value Giants or Minny's offer in picks more than the other.
As best as I can tell, Giants may still need to deal with Pats to have the edge for Maye.
This all reeks of desperation by the Giants and Vikings. Schoen and his counterpart at Minnesota appear to be making moves to try and keep their jobs instead of what is in the best interest of their teams.
Welcome to QB hell. Obviously a WR is the most sure thing and a major need. Unless one of the QBs fall to 6.
Be honest, don’t look at it from a fan perspective for a minute and look at it from a job/career. If you were Joe Schoen, you’re fighting for your job. If you really mess this up, most likely he’ll lose his job here in the next few years. And if he messes up that badly, might never have a chance to be a GM ever again. Wouldn’t you be desperate? Wouldn’t you find the best way to keep your job?
Again, stop looking at it from a fan perspective. Schoen isn’t a Giants fan, this is his livelihood. He absolutely will do whatever it takes to keep his job but also make the Giants better since he’s tied to that as well.
In the end the only way all this works out for the Giants is if the Patriots are stupid!
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Jayden is the pick at 2
Patriots will be taking Maye or JJ (sounds like Maye and can only see them moving if they could guarantee they get one of them)
Chiefs taking LT in R1
AD Mitchell has been removed from many team's boards
Cowboys going RB in R2
As an aside, I wonder why AD Mitchell is off team's boards. I really like him mid to late first round.
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JJ is definitely still in play for the Pats but I think they prefer Maye. Hope I'm wrong. Giants will need to outbid Vikings and Broncos for Maye if he slides to 4.
Eric, so I’m guessing what Rickey said on BBI earlier in the week that the Giants don’t like Maye and even if he’s at 6 they’d look to trade back was just a total smokescreen?
I think you're thinking of someone else. Rickey has been consistent in saying that he thinks the Giants love Maye
What might be new is the Chargers perhaps trading with the Vikings. In that situation, the Patriots would have to be guaranteed to be able to trade with Arizona in order to get JJM.
This all reeks of desperation by the Giants and Vikings. Schoen and his counterpart at Minnesota appear to be making moves to try and keep their jobs instead of what is in the best interest of their teams.
I'm not sure any GM would take the tack of "this move probably means I get fired but at least the next guy will be set up"
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JJ is definitely still in play for the Pats but I think they prefer Maye. Hope I'm wrong. Giants will need to outbid Vikings and Broncos for Maye if he slides to 4.
Eric, so I’m guessing what Rickey said on BBI earlier in the week that the Giants don’t like Maye and even if he’s at 6 they’d look to trade back was just a total smokescreen?
I never saw him say that.
I don't even know if Rickey is a con-man who had one piece of intel and is milking it.
Lol are you messing with me? He made an account here and posted either late last week or early this week. You posted several times in the exchange. I also wrote to you too. Of course I searched and he deleted his account and I can’t find the thread so it was probably deleted.
But to paraphrase he said he was told what he could say and what he couldn’t say at the time of his post. He said the Giants were out on Maye, even if he fell to 6 that they’d look to trade back. And one of your replies were “wink wink ;) ;)”
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JJ is definitely still in play for the Pats but I think they prefer Maye. Hope I'm wrong. Giants will need to outbid Vikings and Broncos for Maye if he slides to 4.
Eric, so I’m guessing what Rickey said on BBI earlier in the week that the Giants don’t like Maye and even if he’s at 6 they’d look to trade back was just a total smokescreen?
I think you're thinking of someone else. Rickey has been consistent in saying that he thinks the Giants love Maye
GoDeep is saying the Giants love McCarthy and that Maye love is a total smoke screen and wouldn't even take him if there at 6.
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but they're going to pick Daniels or JJ.
And that's the one (potential) path to Maye where we may be able to retain our 2025 #1.
Correct!