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J. Schultz "Vikings more likely to keep 11/23" + Draft info

Big Rick in FL : 4/24/2024 12:35 pm
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NFL Draft notes I’ve gathered after speaking with multiple team sources:

• #AZCardinals are driving a hard bargain to move back and are “more than happy” to take Marvin Harrison Jr. at 4

• #Chargers have explored moving down from 5, but are content staying put — likely to take an OT

• #Bears aren’t married to WR at 9 — OT and EDGE are also options, while trading down remains a possibility as well

• #Raiders are a candidate to move up for QB, but it’s going to be tough to get past 9

• #Vikings more likely to keep 11+23 at this point, though they continue to explore all options
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So then the Vikings won't trade up  
Anakim : 4/24/2024 12:36 pm : link
Which means it's NYG vs. the status quo
Giants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2024 12:37 pm : link
are in a dangerous position too.

While they don't want to negotiate against themselves, can they afford to assume Minnesota is not going to trade up?
Schultz  
Big Rick in FL : 4/24/2024 12:37 pm : link
Has broken a ton of stories over the past year. Signings/trades etc are different than the draft, but he definitely has good info.
RE: Schultz  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2024 12:38 pm : link
In comment 16483489 Big Rick in FL said:
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Has broken a ton of stories over the past year. Signings/trades etc are different than the draft, but he definitely has good info.


This.
If NE goes JJM  
The Dude : 4/24/2024 12:39 pm : link
I can't see NYG not moving up to get Maye, if they somehow dont move up and still* get him....That would be fantastic. Just doesn't seem likely.
Could  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2024 12:39 pm : link
Maye fall to #6?

Do the Giants take that chance?
maybe this will be one of those years  
JJ2525 : 4/24/2024 12:40 pm : link
where everyone talks for months about trades and then very few actually happen.
RE: Giants  
Big Rick in FL : 4/24/2024 12:40 pm : link
In comment 16483488 Eric from BBI said:
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are in a dangerous position too.

While they don't want to negotiate against themselves, can they afford to assume Minnesota is not going to trade up?


Nope the Giants can't assume anything. They have to set a limit on what they are willing to spend to move up and not exceed that.

I'm guessing the Vikes aren't able to get up into the top 5 due to teams not wanting to move down that far and that's why they're likely keeping 11 & 23
RE: Could  
The_Boss : 4/24/2024 12:41 pm : link
In comment 16483498 Eric from BBI said:
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Maye fall to #6?

Do the Giants take that chance?


You can’t take the chance. Be proactive and get your guy, assuming Maye is their QB1.
Thanks Rick  
ZogZerg : 4/24/2024 12:41 pm : link
The Viking news make some sense. As I have been saying, I don't see how New England can drop to 11. They are drafting a QB for sure. No clue on what Chargers are thinking. Maybe that is not high enough for Minny?

momentum has swung toward  
Giants1986 : 4/24/2024 12:42 pm : link
NE taking Maye amongst the insiders so the Giants wouldnt be moving at that point.
NYG moved up for Banks last year  
UberAlias : 4/24/2024 12:42 pm : link
No way they let Maye slip past 4.
Exciting...  
IchabodGiant : 4/24/2024 12:42 pm : link
if it plays out like that, we're getting JJM or Maye.
IF the Giants are going QB  
HardTruth : 4/24/2024 12:43 pm : link
They likely trade will be at 5 with Chargers.
Williams and Daniels #1 and #2  
Andy in Halifax : 4/24/2024 12:44 pm : link
McCarthy 3
Harrison 4
Alt 5
Maye 6.

Win.
Do the Giants have any kind of agreement  
Maijay : 4/24/2024 12:46 pm : link
with teams say 3-5 to counter any offer from a team after them? Or is that too complicated to do? In other words can they better a rivals offer.
RE: momentum has swung toward  
GFAN52 : 4/24/2024 12:46 pm : link
In comment 16483510 Giants1986 said:
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NE taking Maye amongst the insiders so the Giants wouldnt be moving at that point.


This.
Overall, I cannot see them taking anything  
jvm52106 : 4/24/2024 12:46 pm : link
but a QB at 6. It is just a matter of which QB..
Andy  
cosmicj : 4/24/2024 12:47 pm : link
I’ve been thinking about the ultimate order, too. The chatter sure sounds like there’s a stand off and everyone will just keep their picks and select.
I don't recall a draft  
darren in pdx : 4/24/2024 12:48 pm : link
where there were so many moving parts that all seemed like they could potentially happen.
what  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2024 12:49 pm : link
will be fascinating is if the Pats take Maye and the Giants find themselves at #6 with McCarthy still on the board.
I'd be concerned about  
bc4life : 4/24/2024 12:49 pm : link
Denver fouling things up.
Or maybe Schultz got wind of Minnesota being locked out  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 12:52 pm : link
Due to the 3 team trade. It would be impossible to beat that.
RE: what  
bigblue5611 : 4/24/2024 12:52 pm : link
In comment 16483541 Eric from BBI said:
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will be fascinating is if the Pats take Maye and the Giants find themselves at #6 with McCarthy still on the board.
That would be fine with me.
RE: what  
The Mike : 4/24/2024 12:53 pm : link
In comment 16483541 Eric from BBI said:
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will be fascinating is if the Pats take Maye and the Giants find themselves at #6 with McCarthy still on the board.


Let the trade back auction begin!
Is there one QB  
larryflower37 : 4/24/2024 12:53 pm : link
That could have that monumental slide we have seen so often.
Like Aaron Rodgers, Lamar Jackson, etc.
I feel like McCarthy could be that guy.
RE: what  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 12:53 pm : link
In comment 16483541 Eric from BBI said:
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will be fascinating is if the Pats take Maye and the Giants find themselves at #6 with McCarthy still on the board.


I could see that happening, but my gut says NE has Kraft wanting JJM and front office wanting trade down. I believe they are not enamored with Maye.
RE: RE: what  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2024 12:54 pm : link
In comment 16483547 bigblue5611 said:
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will be fascinating is if the Pats take Maye and the Giants find themselves at #6 with McCarthy still on the board.

That would be fine with me.


But they might not take McCarthy.
yeah if the Pats take Maye at #3  
mphbullet36 : 4/24/2024 12:54 pm : link
I think that pauses any trade up scenario from the Giants...I don' think they are in the trade up for JJM group.

Which its seems likely based on a lot of the recent reports.
RE: RE: what  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2024 12:55 pm : link
In comment 16483556 BleedBlue46 said:
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will be fascinating is if the Pats take Maye and the Giants find themselves at #6 with McCarthy still on the board.



I could see that happening, but my gut says NE has Kraft wanting JJM and front office wanting trade down. I believe they are not enamored with Maye.


Well you think that way because like many of us, you are highly susceptible to what you are reading on this site.
RE: RE: RE: what  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 12:56 pm : link
In comment 16483559 Eric from BBI said:
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will be fascinating is if the Pats take Maye and the Giants find themselves at #6 with McCarthy still on the board.

That would be fine with me.



But they might not take McCarthy.


Would be typical of our past 10+ years to trade down with the Broncos fail on the picks we get and watch JJM dominate for Sean Payton in Denver. Lol
I think all the speculation and rumors about a tradeup  
Strahan91 : 4/24/2024 12:56 pm : link
to 3 for Maye will be all for naught and NE stands pat and takes him
RE: RE: RE: what  
bigblue5611 : 4/24/2024 12:57 pm : link
In comment 16483559 Eric from BBI said:
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will be fascinating is if the Pats take Maye and the Giants find themselves at #6 with McCarthy still on the board.

That would be fine with me.



But they might not take McCarthy.

I could be very, very wrong, but I think they would take him. It's going to be an interesting night either way...
What this tells me  
Sky King : 4/24/2024 12:59 pm : link
Is that NE is wither taking Maye, OR they wanted too much from the Vikings to move.

As I've said before, the Vikings were only interested in Maye otherwise they were staying put and would take Penix at 11/23.
RE: RE: RE: what  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 1:00 pm : link
In comment 16483564 Eric from BBI said:
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will be fascinating is if the Pats take Maye and the Giants find themselves at #6 with McCarthy still on the board.



I could see that happening, but my gut says NE has Kraft wanting JJM and front office wanting trade down. I believe they are not enamored with Maye.



Well you think that way because like many of us, you are highly susceptible to what you are reading on this site.


Not just that, I think Maye is a real boom or bust prospect. I don't like how he seems to respond to pressure by panicking and making mistakes/locking onto his first read. I see the upside, but the aforementioned potential issues are cause for extreme concern. I also really like JJM as a prospect more than Maye. I'd say my gut feeling about JJM to the Pats is based on my personal evaluation that I did before anyone said they liked JJM more than Maye. Then what I've heard on the site solidified what I studied and believed before any of the media stuff.
The AZ-SD dynamic here is fascinating  
John in NC : 4/24/2024 1:00 pm : link
It's possible that both organizations would prefer a slight trade down but know that the other team wants the same thing. It gives me a glimmer of hope that AZ would take a reasonable offer from the Giants on Thursday if the Giants call. It all depends on how closely AZ has WR 1 and 2.
BTW  
Giants1986 : 4/24/2024 1:01 pm : link
What an awful outcome for Maye to go up to NE that roster is awful, with a defensive HC. I bet he prefers NYG or MIN
there  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2024 1:02 pm : link
is another way to read this and that is that the Vikings are losing to the Giants.
I'd be happy with Nabers  
US1 Giants : 4/24/2024 1:03 pm : link
He might be the best player in this draft. Not willing to trade up for Maye. If Maye falls to 6 then I could see taking him although I still prefer Nabers.
Albert Breer  
DaveInTampa : 4/24/2024 1:04 pm : link
Reporting today that Pats most likely staying put and taking Maye.
RE: Could  
barens : 4/24/2024 1:05 pm : link
In comment 16483498 Eric from BBI said:
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Maye fall to #6?

Do the Giants take that chance?


I'm not one who's for Maye, but if that's who they want, then trading with LA should be worth the risk of someone else jumping them. I guess it's a question of whether New England wants Maye or not.
RE: Albert Breer  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2024 1:07 pm : link
In comment 16483592 DaveInTampa said:
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Reporting today that Pats most likely staying put and taking Maye.


Which is possible.

It's also possible that the Patriots are putting that out there to make the Giants and Vikings sweat.
RE: there  
Giants1986 : 4/24/2024 1:07 pm : link
In comment 16483586 Eric from BBI said:
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is another way to read this and that is that the Vikings are losing to the Giants.


Or that the Pats arent moving
RE: RE: there  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2024 1:08 pm : link
In comment 16483601 Giants1986 said:
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is another way to read this and that is that the Vikings are losing to the Giants.



Or that the Pats arent moving


Which has already been pointed out.
RE: what  
Chris684 : 4/24/2024 1:10 pm : link
In comment 16483541 Eric from BBI said:
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will be fascinating is if the Pats take Maye and the Giants find themselves at #6 with McCarthy still on the board.


This is going to happen in my opinion.

They will be looking at JJM, Nabers or Odunze.

If I had to guess it will be

Williams
Daniels
Maye
Harrison
Alt

I do think there is an outside chance you can flip McCarthy and Maye in the scenario and JJM goes 3 and the Giants are looking at Maye available at 6.
This could be the wildest and most stressful Giants draft...  
Jim in Tampa : 4/24/2024 1:10 pm : link
since 2004.

It's a shame that the NFL doesn't allow "Eli for Rivers plus picks" type of trades any more. Because if they did, this would probably work best for both the Giants and NE.
RE: This could be the wildest and most stressful Giants draft...  
barens : 4/24/2024 1:13 pm : link
In comment 16483612 Jim in Tampa said:
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since 2004.

It's a shame that the NFL doesn't allow "Eli for Rivers plus picks" type of trades any more. Because if they did, this would probably work best for both the Giants and NE.


You mean the 2020 draft wasn't stressful when there were 4 offensive tackles to choose from?? I kid, mostly.
If I have it right  
bigblue5611 : 4/24/2024 1:14 pm : link
I believe Rico is the only resident asshat to have not chimed in yet, correct? His post usually comes in a couple hours before the draft if I recall?
RE: If I have it right  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2024 1:16 pm : link
In comment 16483621 bigblue5611 said:
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I believe Rico is the only resident asshat to have not chimed in yet, correct? His post usually comes in a couple hours before the draft if I recall?


Oh, I've gotten e-mails from him. He has a lot to say.

On the site, he posted yesterday and said it was NOT true that ownership is against moving up.
Never mind  
bigblue5611 : 4/24/2024 1:16 pm : link
He technically chimed in on the Diana Russini thread to say it wasn't true. But wasn't much info there obviously.
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