The 2025 season is the first year the Giants can get out of Jones' contract without adverse salary cap consequences. Obviously, trading Jones would be the ideal way to part with him next year. Absent a trade, Jones would need to be released before the middle of next March. That's because $12 million of Jones' $30 million 2025 base salary becomes fully guaranteed next March 16 on the fifth day of the 2025 league year. Out of this $30 million, $23 million was guaranteed for injury at signing.
The Giants are reportedly most interested in Maye. Offering their 2024 sixth overall pick, a 2024 second-round pick (47th overall) and a 2025 first-round pick would certainly get New England's attention.
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They gave up the 37th and 49th pick that year and their 2nd rounder the next year.
So really the difference is the 37th pick the year of the actual draft vs a first round pick the following year.
Not that much different and most people thought the Jets made out well in the deal.
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You need a package to entice the Patriots off of just staying at 3 with Maye.
Think about what you just said. If NE really wants Maye, they aren't trading the pick just like Chicago and Washington.
The difference is from reports NE is conflicted whether to rebuild by trading down or just take a QB at 3. The Redskins and Bears have shown no interest in listening to offers.
They gave up the 37th and 49th pick that year and their 2nd rounder the next year.
So really the difference is the 37th pick the year of the actual draft vs a first round pick the following year.
Not that much different and most people thought the Jets made out well in the deal.
And we one of the worst teams in the NFL. So the 37th pick to most likely a top 3rd pick is a huge difference.
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You need a package to entice the Patriots off of just staying at 3 with Maye.
Think about what you just said. If NE really wants Maye, they aren't trading the pick just like Chicago and Washington.
The difference is from reports NE is conflicted whether to rebuild by trading down or just take a QB at 3. The Redskins and Bears have shown no interest in listening to offers.
Because they aren't sold on him. I'm not sure of your point. If you are going with a QB, you need to be sold on him.
What's the difference? We've been disabled for over a decade. They can't be afraid to make a bold move if they have a conviction on a guy.
Correct. But if ends up being a top-6 QB in the conference, it's worth the price.
Welcome to QB hell.
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The Jets traded from 6 to 3 for Darnold.
They gave up the 37th and 49th pick that year and their 2nd rounder the next year.
So really the difference is the 37th pick the year of the actual draft vs a first round pick the following year.
Not that much different and most people thought the Jets made out well in the deal.
And we one of the worst teams in the NFL. So the 37th pick to most likely a top 3rd pick is a huge difference.
The Jets gave up 3 2nd round picks. In this scenario we are giving up 2 picks. 1 1st rd pick and 1 2nd round pick. So the difference is not just 37 vs top 3. There is another 2nd rounder in there!
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The Jets traded from 6 to 3 for Darnold.
They gave up the 37th and 49th pick that year and their 2nd rounder the next year.
So really the difference is the 37th pick the year of the actual draft vs a first round pick the following year.
Not that much different and most people thought the Jets made out well in the deal.
And we one of the worst teams in the NFL. So the 37th pick to most likely a top 3rd pick is a huge difference.
The Jets gave up 3 2nd round picks. In this scenario we are giving up 2 picks. 1 1st rd pick and 1 2nd round pick. So the difference is not just 37 vs top 3. There is another 2nd rounder in there!
So you think two 2nd rounds are worth a top 10 pick?
If the answer is no then it is time to try to improve the position. Add his health concerns and the fact that part of his effectiveness is his running ability, you need to start thinking of a viable replacement.
If NYG feels Maye have star potential then this is a no brainer.
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It's not that different than what we paid for Manning.
It is though. A current 2nd rounder has a lot of value. A lot more value than a future 5th rounder carries.
We gave up 4th overall and 3rd rounder that year. Future first and 5th rounder in 05.
Of course we would do it if the QB we gain is awesome, but it's still too much when you compare past trades.
DO IT!
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be gambling big time that Maye is a guaranteed franchise QB. A trade like this for a bust would disable this team for many years to come.
Correct. But if ends up being a top-6 QB in the conference, it's worth the price.
Welcome to QB hell.
If it’s me and I truly believe Daboll is the ultimate quarterback whisperer I stay put and draft my top player left on my board at 6 or trade down for more assets and pick Nix. Start Lock this year and end the Jones era as soon as possible.
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be gambling big time that Maye is a guaranteed franchise QB. A trade like this for a bust would disable this team for many years to come.
Correct. But if ends up being a top-6 QB in the conference, it's worth the price.
Welcome to QB hell.
If it’s me and I truly believe Daboll is the ultimate quarterback whisperer I stay put and draft my top player left on my board at 6 or trade down for more assets and pick Nix. Start Lock this year and end the Jones era as soon as possible.
Here is what I don't get. If Daboll is the ultimate QB whisperer, then why isn't Jones good enough?
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The Jets traded from 6 to 3 for Darnold.
They gave up the 37th and 49th pick that year and their 2nd rounder the next year.
So really the difference is the 37th pick the year of the actual draft vs a first round pick the following year.
Not that much different and most people thought the Jets made out well in the deal.
And we one of the worst teams in the NFL. So the 37th pick to most likely a top 3rd pick is a huge difference.
The Jets gave up 3 2nd round picks. In this scenario we are giving up 2 picks. 1 1st rd pick and 1 2nd round pick. So the difference is not just 37 vs top 3. There is another 2nd rounder in there!
So you think two 2nd rounds are worth a top 10 pick?
Maybe not but when you're negotiating with a team that is QB needy (The Jets weren't at the time), things are different. This is the likely cost and if they truly believe in Maye, you do the deal and don't look back.
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be gambling big time that Maye is a guaranteed franchise QB. A trade like this for a bust would disable this team for many years to come.
Correct. But if ends up being a top-6 QB in the conference, it's worth the price.
Welcome to QB hell.
If it’s me and I truly believe Daboll is the ultimate quarterback whisperer I stay put and draft my top player left on my board at 6 or trade down for more assets and pick Nix. Start Lock this year and end the Jones era as soon as possible.
Here is what I don't get. If Daboll is the ultimate QB whisperer, then why isn't Jones good enough?
Because he never had the god given skills to begin with perhaps. Plus he's been injured a lot.
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The Jets traded from 6 to 3 for Darnold.
They gave up the 37th and 49th pick that year and their 2nd rounder the next year.
So really the difference is the 37th pick the year of the actual draft vs a first round pick the following year.
Not that much different and most people thought the Jets made out well in the deal.
And we one of the worst teams in the NFL. So the 37th pick to most likely a top 3rd pick is a huge difference.
The Jets gave up 3 2nd round picks. In this scenario we are giving up 2 picks. 1 1st rd pick and 1 2nd round pick. So the difference is not just 37 vs top 3. There is another 2nd rounder in there!
So you think two 2nd rounds are worth a top 10 pick?
Maybe not but when you're negotiating with a team that is QB needy (The Jets weren't at the time), things are different. This is the likely cost and if they truly believe in Maye, you do the deal and don't look back.
This is where I think we differ. I don't see Maye as the same type of prospect that others were that I liked. Coaches' biggest issues are their ego. They think they can fix people. More often than not it doesn't work. Maye has some very serious flaws. I've seen this song and dance before. If he's available at 6, I am fine with it. If he's there at 5 and you want to have a small trade up then fine. 4? I'd call Arizona's bluff. But turning our "shopping hungry" situation into a multi year issue is not something I am willing to do. Fuck it. If the rumors are true with Herbert, look into that. I'll give up those picks for a proven player. But Maye is extremely risky so the risk of multiple high first round picks and our 2nd round is just way too much for me. That's because I am not sold on him. And most of the comments on here are not because people love Maye. It is because they are scared of the alternative, which is no QB. It is that same scared mentality over not having a QB that forced Schoen and Daboll to sign Jones to that ridiculous contract.
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be gambling big time that Maye is a guaranteed franchise QB. A trade like this for a bust would disable this team for many years to come.
Correct. But if ends up being a top-6 QB in the conference, it's worth the price.
Welcome to QB hell.
If it’s me and I truly believe Daboll is the ultimate quarterback whisperer I stay put and draft my top player left on my board at 6 or trade down for more assets and pick Nix. Start Lock this year and end the Jones era as soon as possible.
Here is what I don't get. If Daboll is the ultimate QB whisperer, then why isn't Jones good enough?
he got Jones after a few years in the league and a ton of bad- like trying to teach an old dog new tricks. Not happening..
NE has already said they view the 3rd QB as the "same" as a QB1 in any other draft. Their demands reflect that.
The "only" way I see them accepting a trade is with the 3 way that has been thrown around here.
IF they want JJM and the Giants want Maye, it is "possible", provided they can get AZ to accept the second half of a deal,
to move down to 6.
If the Chargers are going to take Alt, they can get the SAME player at 6 as they would at 4, and get draft capital for next year, (likely what it would take).
Stay tuned!
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be gambling big time that Maye is a guaranteed franchise QB. A trade like this for a bust would disable this team for many years to come.
Correct. But if ends up being a top-6 QB in the conference, it's worth the price.
Welcome to QB hell.
If it’s me and I truly believe Daboll is the ultimate quarterback whisperer I stay put and draft my top player left on my board at 6 or trade down for more assets and pick Nix. Start Lock this year and end the Jones era as soon as possible.
Here is what I don't get. If Daboll is the ultimate QB whisperer, then why isn't Jones good enough?
he got Jones after a few years in the league and a ton of bad- like trying to teach an old dog new tricks. Not happening..
Love the excuses. DJ cannot learn new things. Daboll signed off on giving him a $40 mil per year deal. He obviously liked him after year one.
The Giants may have Maye rated as the #2 quarterback in this class. They may feel they won't get a better shot at a prospect like this. So in their eyes, the #1 pick is a price worth paying.
However, if Maye isn't a stud, this could cripple this regime.
On the flip side, getting JAG later in the draft won't be enough either.
If the answer is no then it is time to try to improve the position. Add his health concerns and the fact that part of his effectiveness is his running ability, you need to start thinking of a viable replacement.
If NYG feels Maye have star potential then this is a no brainer.
No it isn't, it is more like can you expect Jones to play a full season and can he do more than 15 tds in 16 games played... There is no championship talk here with Jones.
If you think you can build your team and win 9 or more games with 15 or more TD's then great but if Jones's best was 15td passes and he can't play even 16 games then there is no reason to build the rest of the roster with him there now.. You get your guy and go from there.
NE has already said they view the 3rd QB as the "same" as a QB1 in any other draft. Their demands reflect that.
The "only" way I see them accepting a trade is with the 3 way that has been thrown around here.
IF they want JJM and the Giants want Maye, it is "possible", provided they can get AZ to accept the second half of a deal,
to move down to 6.
If the Chargers are going to take Alt, they can get the SAME player at 6 as they would at 4, and get draft capital for next year, (likely what it would take).
Stay tuned!
We know who Jones is. That's not the point of my comment. The comment was made because people seem to think Daboll can turn shit into gold because he worked with Josh Allen. Daboll signed off on signing Jones to that huge deal. Jones should have been better than he was with our QB whisperer.
On the other hand, Jones had his best season under Daboll.
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The Jets traded from 6 to 3 for Darnold.
They gave up the 37th and 49th pick that year and their 2nd rounder the next year.
So really the difference is the 37th pick the year of the actual draft vs a first round pick the following year.
Not that much different and most people thought the Jets made out well in the deal.
And we one of the worst teams in the NFL. So the 37th pick to most likely a top 3rd pick is a huge difference.
The Jets gave up 3 2nd round picks. In this scenario we are giving up 2 picks. 1 1st rd pick and 1 2nd round pick. So the difference is not just 37 vs top 3. There is another 2nd rounder in there!
So you think two 2nd rounds are worth a top 10 pick?
Maybe not but when you're negotiating with a team that is QB needy (The Jets weren't at the time), things are different. This is the likely cost and if they truly believe in Maye, you do the deal and don't look back.
This is where I think we differ. I don't see Maye as the same type of prospect that others were that I liked. Coaches' biggest issues are their ego. They think they can fix people. More often than not it doesn't work. Maye has some very serious flaws. I've seen this song and dance before. If he's available at 6, I am fine with it. If he's there at 5 and you want to have a small trade up then fine. 4? I'd call Arizona's bluff. But turning our "shopping hungry" situation into a multi year issue is not something I am willing to do. Fuck it. If the rumors are true with Herbert, look into that. I'll give up those picks for a proven player. But Maye is extremely risky so the risk of multiple high first round picks and our 2nd round is just way too much for me. That's because I am not sold on him. And most of the comments on here are not because people love Maye. It is because they are scared of the alternative, which is no QB. It is that same scared mentality over not having a QB that forced Schoen and Daboll to sign Jones to that ridiculous contract.
I'm actually not sold on him either. I've been on record here stating I prefer McCarthy over him. But what the hell do I know? I'm in insurance lol. My only point is, if this is the guy they believe in, this cost should not even be remotely prohibitive.
But if they don't move on from Jones, they will be screwed.
The Giants may have Maye rated as the #2 quarterback in this class. They may feel they won't get a better shot at a prospect like this. So in their eyes, the #1 pick is a price worth paying.
However, if Maye isn't a stud, this could cripple this regime.
On the flip side, getting JAG later in the draft won't be enough either.
That is my impression too. I guess only concern is how high does the price end up going? However if they guess right and Maye is Allen/Herbert 2.0 the price won't matter anyways.
On the other hand, Jones had his best season under Daboll.
And that year wasn't all that great.
My point is simple but I don't think people are understanding. Daboll is not perfect. You cannot just throw any QB with him and think it is going to be a top 6 QB. There is risk associated with it. People keep making comments that we suck and we have to keep swinging. I get that but to what extent? If he sucks and you don't have your future 1 in next years draft then your team is getting worse. This new QB needs help. How many times has Schoen said there are holes all over the roster? The comments on here are basically, buy enough lottery tickets with this paycheck and next paycheck because we can barley afford our mortgage now. At some point, it becomes too much.
Schoen and Daboll run this team. They have determined May is "the guy".
You may not like it, but it is what it is.
Schoen and Daboll run this team. They have determined May is "the guy".
You may not like it, but it is what it is.
Is this inside information?
Regardless, all signs point to Maye being the guy. Even the pundits are picking it up now.
Regardless, all signs point to Maye being the guy. Even the pundits are picking it up now.
That has been my feeling all along. All I am saying is that there is a line in the sand. Schoen has said the same thing so I am not sure why my take is being addressed over anyone else. Should I say because the Giants like Maye that there ks not price tag that is too much?
I love the WRs here. But if NE can be persuaded into coming off the pick --I absolutely want them to pull the trigger. Time to turn this franchise around, or at least say we did everything we could.
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Do the Giants feel they can win the championship with Jones?
If the answer is no then it is time to try to improve the position. Add his health concerns and the fact that part of his effectiveness is his running ability, you need to start thinking of a viable replacement.
If NYG feels Maye have star potential then this is a no brainer.
No it isn't, it is more like can you expect Jones to play a full season and can he do more than 15 tds in 16 games played... There is no championship talk here with Jones.
If you think you can build your team and win 9 or more games with 15 or more TD's then great but if Jones's best was 15td passes and he can't play even 16 games then there is no reason to build the rest of the roster with him there now.. You get your guy and go from there.
Well last I checked the goal was to win Super Bowls. I like Jones the person and he trys real hard and has shown flashes but he looks like he has regressed and has injuries piling up.
The idea of a new QB is about developing a player from the start. Daboll and Schoen have yet to draft a QB. Devito was addded last year and he was a rookie that actually looked like he can play in this league. Imagine what a top rated QB could do with the proper coaching.
Pick in the top 10, if you have the chance to get the QB you get him. Accorsi did. Gettlemen whiffed. Schoen has his turn.
I suspect he knows what to offer. Everyone is waiting on Washington.
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be gambling big time that Maye is a guaranteed franchise QB. A trade like this for a bust would disable this team for many years to come.
Correct. But if ends up being a top-6 QB in the conference, it's worth the price.
Welcome to QB hell.
If it’s me and I truly believe Daboll is the ultimate quarterback whisperer I stay put and draft my top player left on my board at 6 or trade down for more assets and pick Nix. Start Lock this year and end the Jones era as soon as possible.
Here is what I don't get. If Daboll is the ultimate QB whisperer, then why isn't Jones good enough?
he got Jones after a few years in the league and a ton of bad- like trying to teach an old dog new tricks. Not happening..
Love the excuses. DJ cannot learn new things. Daboll signed off on giving him a $40 mil per year deal. He obviously liked him after year one.
See that ignores the real issue the Giants made sure they kept Barkley.. That is all this came down to. Jones sucks and Daboll brought him as far as he could go. The proof, he got Devito to look competent and even a bit better throwing than Jones looked.
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Do the Giants feel they can win the championship with Jones?
If the answer is no then it is time to try to improve the position. Add his health concerns and the fact that part of his effectiveness is his running ability, you need to start thinking of a viable replacement.
If NYG feels Maye have star potential then this is a no brainer.
No it isn't, it is more like can you expect Jones to play a full season and can he do more than 15 tds in 16 games played... There is no championship talk here with Jones.
If you think you can build your team and win 9 or more games with 15 or more TD's then great but if Jones's best was 15td passes and he can't play even 16 games then there is no reason to build the rest of the roster with him there now.. You get your guy and go from there.
Well last I checked the goal was to win Super Bowls. I like Jones the person and he trys real hard and has shown flashes but he looks like he has regressed and has injuries piling up.
The idea of a new QB is about developing a player from the start. Daboll and Schoen have yet to draft a QB. Devito was addded last year and he was a rookie that actually looked like he can play in this league. Imagine what a top rated QB could do with the proper coaching.
Pick in the top 10, if you have the chance to get the QB you get him. Accorsi did. Gettlemen whiffed. Schoen has his turn.
I agree but my point is, if you go elsehwere (WR whatever) you are basically playing to get back to the 9 wins of 2022- assuming all the breaks fall your way...
Maye is your swing to the fences..
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be gambling big time that Maye is a guaranteed franchise QB. A trade like this for a bust would disable this team for many years to come.
Correct. But if ends up being a top-6 QB in the conference, it's worth the price.
Welcome to QB hell.
That’s the discouraging part - so he finally becomes a high average NFL
QB and he’s got another year or two before you have to pay him top 5 money
If our guy is not a top 5 guy -
It’s unlikely to work out great.
And he would be the 3rd QB in this draft
Not easy
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be gambling big time that Maye is a guaranteed franchise QB. A trade like this for a bust would disable this team for many years to come.
Correct. But if ends up being a top-6 QB in the conference, it's worth the price.
Welcome to QB hell.
That’s the discouraging part - so he finally becomes a high average NFL
QB and he’s got another year or two before you have to pay him top 5 money
If our guy is not a top 5 guy -
It’s unlikely to work out great.
And he would be the 3rd QB in this draft
Not easy
This team is already disabled. The idea is to find a way out of the multi-year rut this team is currently in before concerning ourselves with other ruts that may be out there.
How right he was!
Getting a young Burns for 5 years was like getting an extra 1st round pick