Just curious what folks thoughts are. There is video out there and I can't seem to track it down, so maybe someone can, but it's 4 1/2 minutes of Daniel Jones from the 2022 season focusing on the throws he isn't making. There are about 15-20 throws that he doesn't take. It's hard to understand given the time he has that he doesn't see these throws, it's as if he just chooses not to take them. My question is why? I don't think it's a lack of arm strength. Does Daniel Jones have the strongest arm, absolutely not, but it's not like he's got an especially weak arm like Colt McCoy. What is it that I'm missing here? Why is he just scrambling or taking the safer throw rather than letting it rip?
I just don't understand why he's holding back. What do you think he and his coaches are saying. And if this was the issue in 2022 during his best season and with his best receiver being Richie James, what is it that's missing? They gave him $160 million, probably more than they wanted, but if they saw him in the same vein as maybe a Geno Smith, I'd say how was he able to persuade the Giants that he was that much better than Geno?
I don’t think it’s about ability, I think it was how he was coached and it’s hard to coach that out of people. In 2023 he just got creamed from opening day on, that was a different problem.
It just might be best for both sides to get a fresh start.
There are times as he rolls right that the play is designed for the WR to do an in and up and Jones just chooses to pull it down and run. Other times he chooses the underneath guy why the outside guy breaks free.
I think there is a gunshy mentality mixes in with a bit of a "lock" into what he is going to do regardless of play development.
Jones is the opposite of play maker, he is more play reducer or play restrained than play maker.. A bigtime WR will not change that in him..
I wonder if watching DaVito and TT he has figured out that to stay as a starter he will have to push the ball downfield.
I'll get killed for saying this now, but Jones wasn't exactly dealing with a great situation as far as the players and coaching around him, so I don't think that aided in his development. His time in NY is likely coming to a close, it would have been great if it had worked out, but it certainly doesn't seem like it will and stealing a line from Eric, it's probably best for him and us that his era here is coming to an end.
I don’t think it’s about ability, I think it was how he was coached and it’s hard to coach that out of people. In 2023 he just got creamed from opening day on, that was a different problem.
It just might be best for both sides to get a fresh start.
I think this is largely true and not discussed enough about Jones. The turnover narrative was so strong around Jones his rookie year because of all of the fumbles he had despite the interceptions never being a real issue. I was very hopeful for him after his rookie year. He was on pace for 32 TDs his rookie year if he had played 16 games. Then they turned him into a captain checkdown type. He's never pushed the ball down field like he did as a rookie any year since.
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They drilled him on INTs and killed him. Two years of that shit will ruin anyone. We heard this when Daboll took over, he tried to get him out of that and he was ok with INTs as long as it was a good read.
I don’t think it’s about ability, I think it was how he was coached and it’s hard to coach that out of people. In 2023 he just got creamed from opening day on, that was a different problem.
It just might be best for both sides to get a fresh start.
I think this is largely true and not discussed enough about Jones. The turnover narrative was so strong around Jones his rookie year because of all of the fumbles he had despite the interceptions never being a real issue. I was very hopeful for him after his rookie year. He was on pace for 32 TDs his rookie year if he had played 16 games. Then they turned him into a captain checkdown type. He's never pushed the ball down field like he did as a rookie any year since.
Yes, "Danny Dimes" became "Danny Nickels"...
0-star recruit. No D1 scholarships. He was a one-read QB in college.
The worst GM in history drafted him.
But he looks like a fine upstanding young man, "I think you'll do"...
Can't you read the signs?...
I don’t think it’s about ability, I think it was how he was coached and it’s hard to coach that out of people. In 2023 he just got creamed from opening day on, that was a different problem.
It just might be best for both sides to get a fresh start.
Or any coach or coordinator that gives him a full playbook only to watch him fall on his face immediately.
0-star recruit. No D1 scholarships. He was a one-read QB in college.
The worst GM in history drafted him.
But he looks like a fine upstanding young man, "I think you'll do"...
Can't you read the signs?...
Imagine me, working for you.
I've seen this happen with some chess players. They can coach others, dissect games, and play classical just fine, but when they're playing speed chess they can't process and end up losing on time
I don’t think it’s about ability, I think it was how he was coached and it’s hard to coach that out of people. In 2023 he just got creamed from opening day on, that was a different problem.
It just might be best for both sides to get a fresh start.
This is nonsense. They can coach it into him in a matter of weeks but he can’t turn around and start taking those throws? The guys played QB for a long time and 2 years of Jason Garrett undoes everything? Math doesn’t math.
And if it is true, Jones doesn’t have the mental fortitude to be a QB in the NFL
and zero charisma
Correct
Mediocre arm, can’t make all the throws, can’t threaten a few key parts of the field, can’t process quickly, can’t read pre- or-post snap (blitzes kill him) and lacks pocket awareness.
Basically, take away the QB runs, short passes and short/intermediate middle and he’s got nothing. Blitz him on top of that and the wheels really fall off quickly.
But I'll never forget Coach Judge saying that every drive that ends with a kick is a good drive. That philosophy is bound to lead to hesitancy with throwing the ball.
I do believe DJ was a better QB before receiving that coaching, in spite of the turnovers.
Mediocre arm, can’t make all the throws, can’t threaten a few key parts of the field, can’t process quickly, can’t read pre- or-post snap (blitzes kill him) and lacks pocket awareness.
Basically, take away the QB runs, short passes and short/intermediate middle and he’s got nothing. Blitz him on top of that and the wheels really fall off quickly.
That's a pretty solid summary.
With an NFL-average line and decent receivers he'd be a 60-70th percentile starter, somewhere between 10th and 15th best in the League.
However I now believe his injuries are his biggest liability, and if I were Schoen, I'd definitely look for a QB this year.
Eli was sacked 40+ times only once, In 2018, which was Barclays brilliant rookie season, and in which OBJ had over 1000 yards. Record 5-11.
You are not wrong in detailing Daniel‘s weaknesses, or that more likely than not he will not be on the roster a year from today. But what’s comical is your absolute insistence that an offensive line that gave up 85 sacks was not a major factor in Jones play last year. Allowed 30 sacks in the games that Jones played and 55 in the other 11 games. Average of five per game.