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| Rickey thoughts đź’ . It's all speculation until tomorrow but Giants making an offer for Aiyuk signals to me that Schoen thinks he may be able to get his QB in the draft. It follows the Buffalo playbook when Bills traded for a veteran Diggs to help a young Josh Allen. |
Ha she lost confidence in our ability to scout? I mean, he’d be right to looking back over the last decade.
But maybe he feels more confident in our pro player scouting than college scouting?
Post draft scouting shakeup would confirm this.
Interesting thought, he has changed a lot of the top dogs, but I don't think the lower level scours have been changed a lot?
There’s about 7-8 elite WR in the league that are a cut above (JJ, ARSB, Hill, Chase, Lamb, Brown, Evans, Adams, Allen).
After that group, how you rank the next tier of guys (Cooper, Nacua, Higgins, DJ Moore, Aiyuk, Waddle, Devonta Smith, Collins, Diggs, Metcalf, Ridley, Mcalaurin, Deebo, Pitman, G. Wilson) really depends on personal preference. If you told me I could add any of those guys to the Giants - the only ones I’d definitively pick over Aiyuk are Waddle, and Wilson. Too soon on Puka.
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So willing to trade picks to move up. Willing to trade premium pick for Burns. And now possibly for Aiyuck.
Ha she lost confidence in our ability to scout? I mean, he’d be right to looking back over the last decade.
But maybe he feels more confident in our pro player scouting than college scouting?
Post draft scouting shakeup would confirm this.
Not really accurate. They have replaced a lot of scouts the past few years including during Gettleman tenure into this regime.
The front office structure/personnel has been overhauled past 2-3 yrs.
I know they've changed a lot of the higher ups, but what about the regional scouts etc?
And a couple of solid veteran o- lineman
Really need a 3-tech to put next to Dex
Our friends at ESPN advanced analytics rated him the best WR in the NFL in 2023 BTW.
He was 100% the most efficient. High catch rate, crazy ypc, tons of big plays.
Like I said in my first reply my only surprise is that he is somehow gettable for a 2nd round pick.
They don’t want to trade Higgins until next year. They want 1 more year with him while chase is cheap.
I don’t think the Bengals are listening on Higgins
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Against trading for an All-Pro WR that just turned 26 last month?
Dumbness. It's contagious.
Same reason some are upset we traded for Burns... they want the picks to move up for a QB. They think all we need a is a QB and give everything up for one. How dare we use resources on Pro Bowl star players!
If the rumors about ownership not being sold on trading up for a QB are true it's very possible Schoen's only chance to win in his current position might be JJM and Aiyuk. He can draft a good RB in the 3rd or 4th round. He's added depth on the OL and at TE. A new QB and a true #1 receiver might be the best shot he's got to not pick in the top 10 next year if he still has a job.
Our friends at ESPN advanced analytics rated him the best WR in the NFL in 2023 BTW.
He was 100% the most efficient. High catch rate, crazy ypc, tons of big plays.
Like I said in my first reply my only surprise is that he is somehow gettable for a 2nd round pick.
I think your hunch Slayton + 47 is a good guess. Slayton is a poor man's version, but super cheap in 2024.
Agree.
If the rumors about ownership not being sold on trading up for a QB are true it's very possible Schoen's only chance to win in his current position might be JJM and Aiyuk. He can draft a good RB in the 3rd or 4th round. He's added depth on the OL and at TE. A new QB and a true #1 receiver might be the best shot he's got to not pick in the top 10 next year if he still has a job.
This would be building something. Picking Nabers at 6 with status quo at QB is building nothing.
There’s about 7-8 elite WR in the league that are a cut above (JJ, ARSB, Hill, Chase, Lamb, Brown, Evans, Adams, Allen).
After that group, how you rank the next tier of guys (Cooper, Nacua, Higgins, DJ Moore, Aiyuk, Waddle, Devonta Smith, Collins, Diggs, Metcalf, Ridley, Mcalaurin, Deebo, Pitman, G. Wilson) really depends on personal preference. If you told me I could add any of those guys to the Giants - the only ones I’d definitively pick over Aiyuk are Waddle, and Wilson. Too soon on Puka.
I actually think he’s at least as good as St Brown and definitely more dynamic. Give Aiyuk 160 targets and he blows past St Browns production IMO.
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Eric in Li, I agree. You have to project which isn't a perfect science.
Our friends at ESPN advanced analytics rated him the best WR in the NFL in 2023 BTW.
He was 100% the most efficient. High catch rate, crazy ypc, tons of big plays.
Like I said in my first reply my only surprise is that he is somehow gettable for a 2nd round pick.
I think your hunch Slayton + 47 is a good guess. Slayton is a poor man's version, but super cheap in 2024.
I agree i see a real fit. And if slayton has a good year he probably brings sf a 5th rd comp pick next year. 47 probably gets a solid wr they can groom like pearsall or Wilson.
If giants get a rookie qb, aiyuk is a great way to balance present and future while supporting that rookie qb.
I would like the foundation of a young QB plus four “big ticket” vets - Burns, Aiyuk, Dex and Thomas - plus a few talented draft pics like KT, Banks, Wan’dale and Hyatt. That looks like a team that actually has a foundation.
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Are pointless. Aiyuk is good. Had 1300 yards in a key role for one of the NFL’s best offenses.
There’s about 7-8 elite WR in the league that are a cut above (JJ, ARSB, Hill, Chase, Lamb, Brown, Evans, Adams, Allen).
After that group, how you rank the next tier of guys (Cooper, Nacua, Higgins, DJ Moore, Aiyuk, Waddle, Devonta Smith, Collins, Diggs, Metcalf, Ridley, Mcalaurin, Deebo, Pitman, G. Wilson) really depends on personal preference. If you told me I could add any of those guys to the Giants - the only ones I’d definitively pick over Aiyuk are Waddle, and Wilson. Too soon on Puka.
I actually think he’s at least as good as St Brown and definitely more dynamic. Give Aiyuk 160 targets and he blows past St Browns production IMO.
Agreed. He’s also as good or better than the current version of Adams and he’s better than the current version of Allen too. The only WR’s I think are clearly 100% a cut above are JJ, Hill, Lamb and Chase
If Schoen pulls that off, hats off to him.
Getting a true #1 would be really important if those scouting reports are accurate
Secondly.
Giants may have decided JMM + Aiyuck + next years #1 > Maye
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Are pointless. Aiyuk is good. Had 1300 yards in a key role for one of the NFL’s best offenses.
There’s about 7-8 elite WR in the league that are a cut above (JJ, ARSB, Hill, Chase, Lamb, Brown, Evans, Adams, Allen).
After that group, how you rank the next tier of guys (Cooper, Nacua, Higgins, DJ Moore, Aiyuk, Waddle, Devonta Smith, Collins, Diggs, Metcalf, Ridley, Mcalaurin, Deebo, Pitman, G. Wilson) really depends on personal preference. If you told me I could add any of those guys to the Giants - the only ones I’d definitively pick over Aiyuk are Waddle, and Wilson. Too soon on Puka.
I actually think he’s at least as good as St Brown and definitely more dynamic. Give Aiyuk 160 targets and he blows past St Browns production IMO.
Agreed. He’s also as good or better than the current version of Adams and he’s better than the current version of Allen too. The only WR’s I think are clearly 100% a cut above are JJ, Hill, Lamb and Chase
id go amon-ra over aiyuk because he is so damn tough, steady, and polished. you lose a little explosiveness but ill take the other stuff. that's also why ive been a lean toward odunze > nabers out of guys in the draft.
Crazy.
Not only would I laugh, but I would be incredibly happy with a result like this. Get the QBs in the room already some guys to throw to!
Prefer MHJ or Odunze over Nabers though.
If Schoen pulls that off, hats off to him.
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and the thought of McCarthy throwing to Aiyuk (and NYG giving up a 2nd) - this would be a big economic transaction. Big money + a premium draft pick (maybe more) for a guy that is good (not great) is a huge swing.
Good not great is a WR2 IMO. Aiyuk with a full load of targets is one of the 10-15 best WRs in the league. Even extending that out to top 20 is much better than Good. 18 yards per catch on 75 receptions is nuts.
He has flat out disappeared for weeks at a time. I wouldn't hate the move if the price is right, but he is not a true #1
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and the thought of McCarthy throwing to Aiyuk (and NYG giving up a 2nd) - this would be a big economic transaction. Big money + a premium draft pick (maybe more) for a guy that is good (not great) is a huge swing.
Good not great is a WR2 IMO. Aiyuk with a full load of targets is one of the 10-15 best WRs in the league. Even extending that out to top 20 is much better than Good. 18 yards per catch on 75 receptions is nuts.
He has flat out disappeared for weeks at a time. I wouldn't hate the move if the price is right, but he is not a true #1
I assume you mean weeks:
2
13
17 (think they had already clinched)
because every other game he had at least 57 yards or a td.
he had 7x 100 yard games and 3 others where he scored tds with less than 100.
and again, this is with low volume because he shared an offense with CMC/Kittle/Deebo. All 4 players had 80+ targets.
You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.
If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.
You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.
If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.
in the whole of the last 2 full drafts, 61 wide receivers total, how many players have had a 1300 yard season?
You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.
If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.
I like Aiyuk, but I agree. He seems like player to add as a final piece, especially with the inevitable contract he gets that will very likely top Amon-Ra St. Browns record setting contract of 4yrs/$120M with $77M guaranteed.
And after being in a great environment like San Fran, is Aiyuk really going to want to be at a place breaking in a rookie QB or playing with Jones or Lock?
Baltimore
Buffalo
These are the three teams that make the most sense. They need WRs. And giving up a late one isn’t unreasonable. But Baltimore just extended Bateman.
But with Rice looking at a length suspension - KC might be the best team.
Baltimore
Buffalo
These are the three teams that make the most sense. They need WRs. And giving up a late one isn’t unreasonable. But Baltimore just extended Bateman.
But with Rice looking at a length suspension - KC might be the best team.
What if they think Worthy could be their next Tyreek Hill?
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And draft a good WR in a WR rich draft?
You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.
If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.
I like Aiyuk, but I agree. He seems like player to add as a final piece, especially with the inevitable contract he gets that will very likely top Amon-Ra St. Browns record setting contract of 4yrs/$120M with $77M guaranteed.
And after being in a great environment like San Fran, is Aiyuk really going to want to be at a place breaking in a rookie QB or playing with Jones or Lock?
most people have no problem going to a place that writes them a $120m check.
the whole 'final piece' thing is imo a generally stupid concept. this regime is in year 3. mcdaniel traded for tyreek at age 28 in year 1, how did that work out?
again, year 3, get busy livin or get busy dyin. obviously if you miss on the top qbs you probably picked a WR top 10 and dont trade for aiyuk.
You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.
If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.
IIRC the Giants met with Keon Coleman at the combine. Wonder if he is an option at 47.
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And draft a good WR in a WR rich draft?
You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.
If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.
IIRC the Giants met with Keon Coleman at the combine. Wonder if he is an option at 47.
Coleman doesn’t really have the same skillset as Aiyuk, but he could certainly be in play there. In the second round, I’d love to get a McConkey/Pearsall option.
most people have no problem going to a place that writes them a $120m check.
the whole 'final piece' thing is imo a generally stupid concept. this regime is in year 3. mcdaniel traded for tyreek at age 28 in year 1, how did that work out?
again, year 3, get busy livin or get busy dyin. obviously if you miss on the top qbs you probably picked a WR top 10 and dont trade for aiyuk.
I'm sure Aiyuk will gladly cash the big checks. I'm less sure he would be as productive here without all of the constituent parts he had in San Fran.
I think these final pieces are good reminders. AJ Brown was a nice final piece for the Eagles. Randy Moss for the Patriots. Stafford was a nice final piece for the Rams. McCaffrey for the 9ers.
Let's look how Tyreke has worked out. Individually, he's been awesome in Miami. He's made them a fun watch for sure. But the team? Back-to-back wildcard spots (good), but out of the playoffs in week one.
Of course, his prior team have won back-to-back Super Bowls without him. And I don't know if you have noticed, but Miami hasn't had a great offseason keeping or adding players. But I will consider the jury still out. So, let's see how year three plays out...
Look, it's not the worst idea. But we need to get the first part solved first - QB. If that happens, I may feel better.
Look, it's not the worst idea. But we need to get the first part solved first - QB. If that happens, I may feel better.
nobody is suggesting this if they draft nabers/odunze. the entire point is if they get their QB in round 1.
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And draft a good WR in a WR rich draft?
You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.
If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.
IIRC the Giants met with Keon Coleman at the combine. Wonder if he is an option at 47.
Coleman at 47 would be awesome. I have done a few mocks with him falling there.
You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.
If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.
Exactly this goes against Schoen's MO why trade and pay for a WR in draft rich with WRs???
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Hearing a big Eagles deal is in the works #FlyEaglesFly
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And draft a good WR in a WR rich draft?
You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.
If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.
Exactly this goes against Schoen's MO why trade and pay for a WR in draft rich with WRs???
Against his MO? in what? His 2 years as GM? Joe schoen was with the Buffalo bills when they traded for Stefon Diggs in 2020.
2020 was regarded as a wide receiver rich draft, where a record 13 wide receivers went in the first 2 rounds.
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Hearing a big Eagles deal is in the works #FlyEaglesFly
I'm hearing they are going to trade up to 12 with Denver for Quinyon Mitchell.
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You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.
If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.
This!