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Rickey Tweet About Aiyuk

Saos1n : 4/24/2024 6:55 pm
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Rickey thoughts đź’­ . It's all speculation until tomorrow but Giants making an offer for Aiyuk signals to me that Schoen thinks he may be able to get his QB in the draft. It follows the Buffalo playbook when Bills traded for a veteran Diggs to help a young Josh Allen.
That only holds  
jvm52106 : 4/24/2024 6:58 pm : link
If we keep our 2nd rd pick..

While I like the aggression  
Sy'56 : 4/24/2024 6:58 pm : link
and the thought of McCarthy throwing to Aiyuk (and NYG giving up a 2nd) - this would be a big economic transaction. Big money + a premium draft pick (maybe more) for a guy that is good (not great) is a huge swing.
This makes the most sense, if they are able to get the QB  
Saos1n : 4/24/2024 6:59 pm : link
Yes, a big deal must come with it, but if you can get a true #1 WR to pair with your QB on a rookie contract (keep in mind the Burns trade and contract), trying to solidify the oline to protect

Signals a compete for today, while building out for the future (understanding that the QB probably won’t play this year. At least Maye wouldn’t)
It's all speculation  
ZogZerg : 4/24/2024 6:59 pm : link
What are they trading when they trade all picks for Maye?
RE: It's all speculation  
jvm52106 : 4/24/2024 7:01 pm : link
In comment 16484497 ZogZerg said:
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What are they trading when they trade all picks for Maye?


In this scenario it would be JJM.. I am not sold Minnesota comes up here , they could stay at 11 and take Penix or Nix..
McCarthy yes  
Chris684 : 4/24/2024 7:02 pm : link
Aiyuk no thanks.

I’d rather draft my new offensive core tomorrow and Friday and let them develop together.

McCarthy+ 2nd or 3rd round RB + 2nd or 3rd round WR
Trading up for the QB and the WR?  
j_rud : 4/24/2024 7:04 pm : link
Meh, who needs picks? Rams made it work.
No  
AcidTest : 4/24/2024 7:04 pm : link
interest in Aiyuk. Yes, to JJM or Maye at #6 (in that order, understanding that only the former has a realistic chance of being there at that slot.)
Or they could have  
Amtoft : 4/24/2024 7:04 pm : link
resigned to the QB at all costs and know they can also take Penix without trading.
I don't like this strategy at all  
Festina Lente : 4/24/2024 7:07 pm : link
Wrs are easy to come by in draft. Aiyuk is not JJ. Why give up s draft pick on a deep wr draft where you can get on for 4-5 yrs on a rookie contract? Doesn't make sense to me
aiyuk parallels burns in so many ways  
Eric on Li : 4/24/2024 7:07 pm : link
neither is top top tier like bosa, jj, etc.

but they are just below that and still ascending with their primes ahead of them. to get either for a non-first round pick would be a coup no matter what their contract is.

aiyuk is a stud who creates game changing plays and with very few weaknesses.
so QB, then Jones cut/trade expense,  
stoneman : 4/24/2024 7:11 pm : link
and then Aiyuk expense - Hmmm
Love Aiyuk, the player is a stud  
PatersonPlank : 4/24/2024 7:14 pm : link
Him and a new QB transforms the offense.
Why are so many Giants fans  
Big Rick in FL : 4/24/2024 7:15 pm : link
Against trading for an All-Pro WR that just turned 26 last month?
I’d much rather draft a WR in round 2  
DeVito32 : 4/24/2024 7:16 pm : link
than trade for Aiyuk and then paying him $25-30mil+/yr. Too pricey. Hard pass.
RE: While I like the aggression  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 7:17 pm : link
In comment 16484494 Sy'56 said:
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and the thought of McCarthy throwing to Aiyuk (and NYG giving up a 2nd) - this would be a big economic transaction. Big money + a premium draft pick (maybe more) for a guy that is good (not great) is a huge swing.


As with most QB prospects, the idea is they have the traits needed to evolve their game at the next level. Lots of past QB prospects have been good or worse, let alone great, as prospects and end up being great. Conversely lots of great QB prospects have been shit in the NFL.
RE: Why are so many Giants fans  
Eric on Li : 4/24/2024 7:18 pm : link
In comment 16484556 Big Rick in FL said:
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Against trading for an All-Pro WR that just turned 26 last month?


i honestly have no idea.

he had 1350 yards last year on 18 ypc. it is 50/50 whoever the best WR is left at #6 does that even once over their rookie deal. jamarr chase has only done it once.
RE: I’d much rather draft a WR in round 2  
Big Rick in FL : 4/24/2024 7:18 pm : link
In comment 16484558 DeVito32 said:
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than trade for Aiyuk and then paying him $25-30mil+/yr. Too pricey. Hard pass.


Why? Essentially Aiyuk's deal would be replacing DJs contract.
if they  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2024 7:19 pm : link
got the QB, this would make a really good offseason.... Burns, Aiyuk, and a QB? Sign me up.
If we trade up for Maye using pick 6, 70 2025 1st and 3rd  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 7:20 pm : link
Then I'd love this move. Make this team as good as possible now. Make that 2025 pick as low as possible and go for it.

If we got JJM for pick 6 or maybe a bit more, then I'd say build more naturally and the 2025 1st could turn into McMillan.
RE: While I like the aggression  
Darwinian : 4/24/2024 7:20 pm : link
In comment 16484494 Sy'56 said:
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and the thought of McCarthy throwing to Aiyuk (and NYG giving up a 2nd) - this would be a big economic transaction. Big money + a premium draft pick (maybe more) for a guy that is good (not great) is a huge swing.


If we're not taking big swings, what are we doing? Great teams take big swings, and if they miss occasionally, they keep swinging.
I'm assuming the trade deal for Aiyuk is contingent on the Giants  
GFAN52 : 4/24/2024 7:20 pm : link
drafting a QB?
RE: RE: I’d much rather draft a WR in round 2  
Eric on Li : 4/24/2024 7:21 pm : link
In comment 16484567 Big Rick in FL said:
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than trade for Aiyuk and then paying him $25-30mil+/yr. Too pricey. Hard pass.



Why? Essentially Aiyuk's deal would be replacing DJs contract.


waller's contract going away half pays for aiyuk. all the other skill players on the offense are cheap.

throw in slayton and you have paid down almost $20m of aiyuk with waller/slayton before you even save the $20m+ next year moving on from jones.
RE: if they  
Darwinian : 4/24/2024 7:21 pm : link
In comment 16484570 Eric from BBI said:
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got the QB, this would make a really good offseason.... Burns, Aiyuk, and a QB? Sign me up.


Totally agree.

If we get a QB/WR in any combo, it would be exciting, whether that's Nabers/Penix or Maye/Aiyuk or JJM/Aiyuk.
RE: Why are so many Giants fans  
DeVito32 : 4/24/2024 7:21 pm : link
In comment 16484556 Big Rick in FL said:
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Against trading for an All-Pro WR that just turned 26 last month?


He’s not an all-pro wr. He made 2nd team because a handful of WR were hurt or their QB got hurt.

He’s barely a top 20WR. No defensive coordinator is scared of him. You can’t trade and then pay close to $30mil/yr for a player like that. No thanks
RE: aiyuk parallels burns in so many ways  
christian : 4/24/2024 7:22 pm : link
In comment 16484519 Eric on Li said:
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neither is top top tier like bosa, jj, etc.

but they are just below that and still ascending with their primes ahead of them. to get either for a non-first round pick would be a coup no matter what their contract is.


I disagree to some extent. Aiyuk put it all together last year and was legitimately a top tier WR. Pound-for-pound he's right there with the top guys, he just needs more looks.

2nd in the league in yards per target, and a full 1-2 yards more than any of the other premium pass catchers.
RE: While I like the aggression  
DeVito32 : 4/24/2024 7:23 pm : link
In comment 16484494 Sy'56 said:
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and the thought of McCarthy throwing to Aiyuk (and NYG giving up a 2nd) - this would be a big economic transaction. Big money + a premium draft pick (maybe more) for a guy that is good (not great) is a huge swing.


+100000000000000000
RE: RE: Why are so many Giants fans  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 7:23 pm : link
In comment 16484579 DeVito32 said:
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Against trading for an All-Pro WR that just turned 26 last month?



He’s not an all-pro wr. He made 2nd team because a handful of WR were hurt or their QB got hurt.

He’s barely a top 20WR. No defensive coordinator is scared of him. You can’t trade and then pay close to $30mil/yr for a player like that. No thanks


Name 20 wrs better than Aiyuk. He is a top 12 receiver.
Different positions but I like adding Aiyuk more than Burns  
Darwinian : 4/24/2024 7:24 pm : link
I feel with the right QB Aiyuk can have a run as a top 10 WR. I expect Burns to be good, but great, I'm not so sure.
RE: if they  
BigTymer : 4/24/2024 7:24 pm : link
In comment 16484570 Eric from BBI said:
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got the QB, this would make a really good offseason.... Burns, Aiyuk, and a QB? Sign me up.

+1. I think people don’t realize how good Aiyuk is. He is absolutely someone worth the Davonta Smith contract and probably a little more.
RE: RE: Why are so many Giants fans  
Big Rick in FL : 4/24/2024 7:25 pm : link
In comment 16484579 DeVito32 said:
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Against trading for an All-Pro WR that just turned 26 last month?



He’s not an all-pro wr. He made 2nd team because a handful of WR were hurt or their QB got hurt.

He’s barely a top 20WR. No defensive coordinator is scared of him. You can’t trade and then pay close to $30mil/yr for a player like that. No thanks


He was literally on the All-Pro team. So I'm not sure how you can say he's not an All-Pro.
RE: While I like the aggression  
Capt. Don : 4/24/2024 7:25 pm : link
In comment 16484494 Sy'56 said:
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and the thought of McCarthy throwing to Aiyuk (and NYG giving up a 2nd) - this would be a big economic transaction. Big money + a premium draft pick (maybe more) for a guy that is good (not great) is a huge swing.


Obviously, I defer to your expertise, however...

I have a friend who is very familiar with the 49ers thinking. According to him, there are some in the organization who feel in a more traditional offense Aiyuk could be bordering the top tier of receivers in the league.

He says, he has heard nothing that leads him to believe they are in a hurry to trade him.
RE: RE: if they  
Big Rick in FL : 4/24/2024 7:25 pm : link
In comment 16484590 BigTymer said:
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got the QB, this would make a really good offseason.... Burns, Aiyuk, and a QB? Sign me up.


+1. I think people don’t realize how good Aiyuk is. He is absolutely someone worth the Davonta Smith contract and probably a little more.


He's absolutely worth more than Devonta. He's a significantly better player than Smith.
RE: RE: aiyuk parallels burns in so many ways  
Eric on Li : 4/24/2024 7:27 pm : link
In comment 16484580 christian said:
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neither is top top tier like bosa, jj, etc.

but they are just below that and still ascending with their primes ahead of them. to get either for a non-first round pick would be a coup no matter what their contract is.



I disagree to some extent. Aiyuk put it all together last year and was legitimately a top tier WR. Pound-for-pound he's right there with the top guys, he just needs more looks.

2nd in the league in yards per target, and a full 1-2 yards more than any of the other premium pass catchers.


i lean more towards agreeing with you than disagreeing, but i do think showing he can handle the kind of volume the top guys get is a box he hasnt checked yet. i dont blame him for not getting volume and i dont mind if he has some statistical regression, but fair or unfair it's just something he hasnt done. i dont have many concerns that he wouldnt produce with more volume. its also possible like tyreek he is just as effective with high volume. its an upside/downside thing.
In theory  
Breeze_94 : 4/24/2024 7:29 pm : link
QB McCarthy
RB Singletary + Benson (r3) or Estime (r4)
WR Aiyuk
WR Hyatt/Slayton
SWR Wan’Dale
TE Bellinger
LT Thomas
LG Runyan
C Schmitz
RG Eluemunor
RT Neal

Feel like that’s decent group around the young QB - especially having the WR’s, LT, and C in place - and two guards who excel in pass pro.
RE: RE: RE: aiyuk parallels burns in so many ways  
Stars_and_stripes : 4/24/2024 7:30 pm : link
In comment 16484597 Eric on Li said:
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neither is top top tier like bosa, jj, etc.

but they are just below that and still ascending with their primes ahead of them. to get either for a non-first round pick would be a coup no matter what their contract is.



I disagree to some extent. Aiyuk put it all together last year and was legitimately a top tier WR. Pound-for-pound he's right there with the top guys, he just needs more looks.

2nd in the league in yards per target, and a full 1-2 yards more than any of the other premium pass catchers.



i lean more towards agreeing with you than disagreeing, but i do think showing he can handle the kind of volume the top guys get is a box he hasnt checked yet. i dont blame him for not getting volume and i dont mind if he has some statistical regression, but fair or unfair it's just something he hasnt done. i dont have many concerns that he wouldnt produce with more volume. its also possible like tyreek he is just as effective with high volume. its an upside/downside thing.


I mean Aiyuk's floor here is a half decent WR1 that we haven't had in like forever. Betting on Daboll he'd exceed that floor.
RE: RE: aiyuk parallels burns in so many ways  
Strahan91 : 4/24/2024 7:30 pm : link
In comment 16484580 christian said:
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neither is top top tier like bosa, jj, etc.

but they are just below that and still ascending with their primes ahead of them. to get either for a non-first round pick would be a coup no matter what their contract is.



I disagree to some extent. Aiyuk put it all together last year and was legitimately a top tier WR. Pound-for-pound he's right there with the top guys, he just needs more looks.

2nd in the league in yards per target, and a full 1-2 yards more than any of the other premium pass catchers.

+1. From this and the initial Aiyuk thread I get the feeling that he's very underrated on BBI. 2nd highest PFF grade amongst WR's last year, 7th in receiving yards with far fewer targets than any of the top 6 (closest is DJ Moore who had 31 more than Aiyuk), #1 in yards per target in the NFL (min. 50 targets), and only 2 drops last year.
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christian : 4/24/2024 7:32 pm : link
The 49ers attempted the fewest passes in the league last year, and they have legitimate pass catchers at WR, TE, and RB, so I'm inclined to not assume his lack of looks was an issue with him.

Bottomline for me, he was incredibly efficient with his touches. He had 1 fewer 20+ yard plays than Hill who had significantly more touches.
I am going to laugh  
Amtoft : 4/24/2024 7:33 pm : link
when the Giants draft Nabers and trade for Aiyuk... this site will explode!
RE: if they  
Stars_and_stripes : 4/24/2024 7:34 pm : link
In comment 16484570 Eric from BBI said:
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got the QB, this would make a really good offseason.... Burns, Aiyuk, and a QB? Sign me up.


Edge 1, WR1 and QB with franchise grade potential (Maye) in one off-season... Schoen would deserve a monument right outside MetLife. It will probably cost significant portions of draft capital in 2024 and 2025 but it'd be so worth it. 'Scared money don't make money' as they say and all.
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christian : 4/24/2024 7:36 pm : link
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Halfway decent number 1? All things considered he was a top 10 receiver last year.

If he gets 130 targets and even drops a yard per target he's a 1500 player. He's a big game hunter.
cant see a path  
Dankbeerman : 4/24/2024 7:44 pm : link
to trading up for a QB and trading for Aiyuk.

I still think you trade down and get a corner, or get Surtain in the trade down and have to punt on QB this year to make an Aiyuk move.
The devil is in the details  
56goat : 4/24/2024 7:46 pm : link
but in theory, sure.
He also had CMC on an MVP year, Deebo and Kittle to take the pressure  
DeVito32 : 4/24/2024 7:47 pm : link
Off him as well. I bet he wasn’t double covered much if at all. Playing against CB 2 or a nickel and single covered makes life a lot easier. WR1 needs to constantly beat double coverage and/or locked with CB1.
RE: RE: if they  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2024 7:48 pm : link
In comment 16484619 Stars_and_stripes said:
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got the QB, this would make a really good offseason.... Burns, Aiyuk, and a QB? Sign me up.



Edge 1, WR1 and QB with franchise grade potential (Maye) in one off-season... Schoen would deserve a monument right outside MetLife. It will probably cost significant portions of draft capital in 2024 and 2025 but it'd be so worth it. 'Scared money don't make money' as they say and all.


Is Maye within reach if they are using the #2 on the WR? I'm starting to think it may be McCarthy.
RE: While I like the aggression  
UConn4523 : 4/24/2024 7:49 pm : link
In comment 16484494 Sy'56 said:
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and the thought of McCarthy throwing to Aiyuk (and NYG giving up a 2nd) - this would be a big economic transaction. Big money + a premium draft pick (maybe more) for a guy that is good (not great) is a huge swing.


Good not great is a WR2 IMO. Aiyuk with a full load of targets is one of the 10-15 best WRs in the league. Even extending that out to top 20 is much better than Good. 18 yards per catch on 75 receptions is nuts.
RE: He also had CMC on an MVP year, Deebo and Kittle to take the pressure  
UConn4523 : 4/24/2024 7:50 pm : link
In comment 16484648 DeVito32 said:
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Off him as well. I bet he wasn’t double covered much if at all. Playing against CB 2 or a nickel and single covered makes life a lot easier. WR1 needs to constantly beat double coverage and/or locked with CB1.


Post some evidence that he can’t.
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Eric on Li : 4/24/2024 7:54 pm : link
In comment 16484610 christian said:
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The 49ers attempted the fewest passes in the league last year, and they have legitimate pass catchers at WR, TE, and RB, so I'm inclined to not assume his lack of looks was an issue with him.

Bottomline for me, he was incredibly efficient with his touches. He had 1 fewer 20+ yard plays than Hill who had significantly more touches.


I agree like I said it’s just something he hasn’t done so if there’s any difference between him and the elite elites that’s it. I have very few doubts he would continue to produce with more volume and put up even better stats. I see upside over what was already a borderline all pro year.

The only doubt is maybe with less talent around him good defenses defend him more successfully with doubles but 20% more target volume will likely lead to more production than any modest efficiency loss.
Aiyuk  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/24/2024 7:57 pm : link

had 75 catches, 1342 yards and 18 yards a catch.

And he's not top 20?

How good is WR Aiyuk?  
George from PA : 4/24/2024 7:57 pm : link
Is he a true #1?

He seems more like a solid #2 to me.


RE: RE: RE: if they  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 7:57 pm : link
In comment 16484653 Eric from BBI said:
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got the QB, this would make a really good offseason.... Burns, Aiyuk, and a QB? Sign me up.



Edge 1, WR1 and QB with franchise grade potential (Maye) in one off-season... Schoen would deserve a monument right outside MetLife. It will probably cost significant portions of draft capital in 2024 and 2025 but it'd be so worth it. 'Scared money don't make money' as they say and all.



Is Maye within reach if they are using the #2 on the WR? I'm starting to think it may be McCarthy.


They could potentially do it for pick 6, 70, 2025 1st and 3rd or so. It's possible to keep 47
Aiyuk is severely underrated by a lot here  
ajr2456 : 4/24/2024 7:58 pm : link
Put him on the Chiefs or the Eagles and people would have a different opinion
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Stars_and_stripes : 4/24/2024 7:59 pm : link
In comment 16484653 Eric from BBI said:
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got the QB, this would make a really good offseason.... Burns, Aiyuk, and a QB? Sign me up.



Edge 1, WR1 and QB with franchise grade potential (Maye) in one off-season... Schoen would deserve a monument right outside MetLife. It will probably cost significant portions of draft capital in 2024 and 2025 but it'd be so worth it. 'Scared money don't make money' as they say and all.



Is Maye within reach if they are using the #2 on the WR? I'm starting to think it may be McCarthy.


2025 1st and more would have to be in play but yeah, I think they could pull it off without including that 2024 2nd round pick
RE: He also had CMC on an MVP year, Deebo and Kittle to take the pressure  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 8:00 pm : link
In comment 16484648 DeVito32 said:
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Off him as well. I bet he wasn’t double covered much if at all. Playing against CB 2 or a nickel and single covered makes life a lot easier. WR1 needs to constantly beat double coverage and/or locked with CB1.


Name 20 receivers better. Have you even watched more than a handful of 49ers games? I think you're talking out of your you know what. I live in '9ers country. Aiyuk is their #1, deebo is an elite gadget receiver, kittle exploits mismatches and gets blanked when opposing teams have a good cover safety or lb.
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christian : 4/24/2024 8:01 pm : link
Eric in Li, I agree. You have to project which isn't a perfect science.

Our friends at ESPN advanced analytics rated him the best WR in the NFL in 2023 BTW.
RE: How good is WR Aiyuk?  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 8:01 pm : link
In comment 16484678 George from PA said:
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Is he a true #1?

He seems more like a solid #2 to me.



He's a top 12 wr in the league. He is a #1, on the tier below the top 5.
People are nuts saying he's a WR2.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/24/2024 8:01 pm : link
He's one of the best WRs in the league. People who are diminishing his value obviously didn't watching him.
Rather  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/24/2024 8:01 pm : link
be able to run the ball like the Niners via the RB’s. This is a big reason those plays downfield happen. Then draft a WR.


RE: Rather  
Sammo85 : 4/24/2024 8:04 pm : link
In comment 16484694 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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be able to run the ball like the Niners via the RB’s. This is a big reason those plays downfield happen. Then draft a WR.




That is not the offense Daboll runs nor his philosophy.

Our QB needs his guy  
UberAlias : 4/24/2024 8:04 pm : link
No more, "we did everything possible to screw him up"
Food for thought - Schoen no confidence in our scouts?  
Shecky : 4/24/2024 8:07 pm : link
So willing to trade picks to move up. Willing to trade premium pick for Burns. And now possibly for Aiyuck.

Ha she lost confidence in our ability to scout? I mean, he’d be right to looking back over the last decade.

But maybe he feels more confident in our pro player scouting than college scouting?

Post draft scouting shakeup would confirm this.
RE: Food for thought - Schoen no confidence in our scouts?  
Sammo85 : 4/24/2024 8:08 pm : link
In comment 16484710 Shecky said:
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So willing to trade picks to move up. Willing to trade premium pick for Burns. And now possibly for Aiyuck.

Ha she lost confidence in our ability to scout? I mean, he’d be right to looking back over the last decade.

But maybe he feels more confident in our pro player scouting than college scouting?

Post draft scouting shakeup would confirm this.



Not really accurate. They have replaced a lot of scouts the past few years including during Gettleman tenure into this regime.

The front office structure/personnel has been overhauled past 2-3 yrs.
RE: Food for thought - Schoen no confidence in our scouts?  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 8:09 pm : link
In comment 16484710 Shecky said:
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So willing to trade picks to move up. Willing to trade premium pick for Burns. And now possibly for Aiyuck.

Ha she lost confidence in our ability to scout? I mean, he’d be right to looking back over the last decade.

But maybe he feels more confident in our pro player scouting than college scouting?

Post draft scouting shakeup would confirm this.


Interesting thought, he has changed a lot of the top dogs, but I don't think the lower level scours have been changed a lot?
The arguments and rankings  
Breeze_94 : 4/24/2024 8:09 pm : link
Are pointless. Aiyuk is good. Had 1300 yards in a key role for one of the NFL’s best offenses.

There’s about 7-8 elite WR in the league that are a cut above (JJ, ARSB, Hill, Chase, Lamb, Brown, Evans, Adams, Allen).

After that group, how you rank the next tier of guys (Cooper, Nacua, Higgins, DJ Moore, Aiyuk, Waddle, Devonta Smith, Collins, Diggs, Metcalf, Ridley, Mcalaurin, Deebo, Pitman, G. Wilson) really depends on personal preference. If you told me I could add any of those guys to the Giants - the only ones I’d definitively pick over Aiyuk are Waddle, and Wilson. Too soon on Puka.
I wonder what the Bengals asking price for Higgins is right now  
jgambrosio : 4/24/2024 8:09 pm : link
Versus Aiyuk.
RE: RE: Food for thought - Schoen no confidence in our scouts?  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 8:10 pm : link
In comment 16484716 Sammo85 said:
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So willing to trade picks to move up. Willing to trade premium pick for Burns. And now possibly for Aiyuck.

Ha she lost confidence in our ability to scout? I mean, he’d be right to looking back over the last decade.

But maybe he feels more confident in our pro player scouting than college scouting?

Post draft scouting shakeup would confirm this.




Not really accurate. They have replaced a lot of scouts the past few years including during Gettleman tenure into this regime.

The front office structure/personnel has been overhauled past 2-3 yrs.


I know they've changed a lot of the higher ups, but what about the regional scouts etc?
RE: if they  
Andy in Boston : 4/24/2024 8:11 pm : link
In comment 16484570 Eric from BBI said:
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got the QB, this would make a really good offseason.... Burns, Aiyuk, and a QB? Sign me up.


And a couple of solid veteran o- lineman

Really need a 3-tech to put next to Dex
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Eric on Li : 4/24/2024 8:13 pm : link
In comment 16484688 christian said:
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Eric in Li, I agree. You have to project which isn't a perfect science.

Our friends at ESPN advanced analytics rated him the best WR in the NFL in 2023 BTW.


He was 100% the most efficient. High catch rate, crazy ypc, tons of big plays.

Like I said in my first reply my only surprise is that he is somehow gettable for a 2nd round pick.
RE: I wonder what the Bengals asking price for Higgins is right now  
Eric on Li : 4/24/2024 8:14 pm : link
In comment 16484722 jgambrosio said:
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Versus Aiyuk.


They don’t want to trade Higgins until next year. They want 1 more year with him while chase is cheap.
RE: Why are so many Giants fans  
Joey in VA : 4/24/2024 8:15 pm : link
In comment 16484556 Big Rick in FL said:
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Against trading for an All-Pro WR that just turned 26 last month?
Dumbness. It's contagious.
RE: I wonder what the Bengals asking price for Higgins is right now  
Strahan91 : 4/24/2024 8:16 pm : link
In comment 16484722 jgambrosio said:
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Versus Aiyuk.

I don’t think the Bengals are listening on Higgins
RE: RE: Why are so many Giants fans  
Amtoft : 4/24/2024 8:18 pm : link
In comment 16484732 Joey in VA said:
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Against trading for an All-Pro WR that just turned 26 last month?

Dumbness. It's contagious.


Same reason some are upset we traded for Burns... they want the picks to move up for a QB. They think all we need a is a QB and give everything up for one. How dare we use resources on Pro Bowl star players!
Just my opinion  
arniefez : 4/24/2024 8:19 pm : link
but maybe Schoen has figured out that he has a lot more authority making trades than making draft picks. Maybe he thinks it's the best way to maneuver around the nephew and his uncle's.

If the rumors about ownership not being sold on trading up for a QB are true it's very possible Schoen's only chance to win in his current position might be JJM and Aiyuk. He can draft a good RB in the 3rd or 4th round. He's added depth on the OL and at TE. A new QB and a true #1 receiver might be the best shot he's got to not pick in the top 10 next year if he still has a job.
RE: RE: …  
christian : 4/24/2024 8:21 pm : link
In comment 16484728 Eric on Li said:
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Eric in Li, I agree. You have to project which isn't a perfect science.

Our friends at ESPN advanced analytics rated him the best WR in the NFL in 2023 BTW.

He was 100% the most efficient. High catch rate, crazy ypc, tons of big plays.

Like I said in my first reply my only surprise is that he is somehow gettable for a 2nd round pick.


I think your hunch Slayton + 47 is a good guess. Slayton is a poor man's version, but super cheap in 2024.
RE: While I like the aggression  
prdave73 : 4/24/2024 8:21 pm : link
In comment 16484494 Sy'56 said:
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and the thought of McCarthy throwing to Aiyuk (and NYG giving up a 2nd) - this would be a big economic transaction. Big money + a premium draft pick (maybe more) for a guy that is good (not great) is a huge swing.



Agree.
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christian : 4/24/2024 8:25 pm : link
A wider receiver group of Aiyuk, Robinson, Hyatt, and Hodgins is pretty young and talented. That's a very good situation for a QB.
RE: Just my opinion  
Sean : 4/24/2024 8:27 pm : link
In comment 16484741 arniefez said:
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but maybe Schoen has figured out that he has a lot more authority making trades than making draft picks. Maybe he thinks it's the best way to maneuver around the nephew and his uncle's.

If the rumors about ownership not being sold on trading up for a QB are true it's very possible Schoen's only chance to win in his current position might be JJM and Aiyuk. He can draft a good RB in the 3rd or 4th round. He's added depth on the OL and at TE. A new QB and a true #1 receiver might be the best shot he's got to not pick in the top 10 next year if he still has a job.

This would be building something. Picking Nabers at 6 with status quo at QB is building nothing.
RE: The arguments and rankings  
UConn4523 : 4/24/2024 8:28 pm : link
In comment 16484720 Breeze_94 said:
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Are pointless. Aiyuk is good. Had 1300 yards in a key role for one of the NFL’s best offenses.

There’s about 7-8 elite WR in the league that are a cut above (JJ, ARSB, Hill, Chase, Lamb, Brown, Evans, Adams, Allen).

After that group, how you rank the next tier of guys (Cooper, Nacua, Higgins, DJ Moore, Aiyuk, Waddle, Devonta Smith, Collins, Diggs, Metcalf, Ridley, Mcalaurin, Deebo, Pitman, G. Wilson) really depends on personal preference. If you told me I could add any of those guys to the Giants - the only ones I’d definitively pick over Aiyuk are Waddle, and Wilson. Too soon on Puka.


I actually think he’s at least as good as St Brown and definitely more dynamic. Give Aiyuk 160 targets and he blows past St Browns production IMO.
RE: RE: RE: …  
Eric on Li : 4/24/2024 8:34 pm : link
In comment 16484745 christian said:
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Eric in Li, I agree. You have to project which isn't a perfect science.

Our friends at ESPN advanced analytics rated him the best WR in the NFL in 2023 BTW.

He was 100% the most efficient. High catch rate, crazy ypc, tons of big plays.

Like I said in my first reply my only surprise is that he is somehow gettable for a 2nd round pick.



I think your hunch Slayton + 47 is a good guess. Slayton is a poor man's version, but super cheap in 2024.


I agree i see a real fit. And if slayton has a good year he probably brings sf a 5th rd comp pick next year. 47 probably gets a solid wr they can groom like pearsall or Wilson.

If giants get a rookie qb, aiyuk is a great way to balance present and future while supporting that rookie qb.
I would lean toward trading for Aiyuk  
bceagle05 : 4/24/2024 8:36 pm : link
but reasonable minds can disagree on it. As Sy said, the double whammy of giving up a top 50 pick and paying a big contract is pretty steep.

I would like the foundation of a young QB plus four “big ticket” vets - Burns, Aiyuk, Dex and Thomas - plus a few talented draft pics like KT, Banks, Wan’dale and Hyatt. That looks like a team that actually has a foundation.
RE: RE: The arguments and rankings  
Strahan91 : 4/24/2024 8:36 pm : link
In comment 16484758 UConn4523 said:
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Are pointless. Aiyuk is good. Had 1300 yards in a key role for one of the NFL’s best offenses.

There’s about 7-8 elite WR in the league that are a cut above (JJ, ARSB, Hill, Chase, Lamb, Brown, Evans, Adams, Allen).

After that group, how you rank the next tier of guys (Cooper, Nacua, Higgins, DJ Moore, Aiyuk, Waddle, Devonta Smith, Collins, Diggs, Metcalf, Ridley, Mcalaurin, Deebo, Pitman, G. Wilson) really depends on personal preference. If you told me I could add any of those guys to the Giants - the only ones I’d definitively pick over Aiyuk are Waddle, and Wilson. Too soon on Puka.



I actually think he’s at least as good as St Brown and definitely more dynamic. Give Aiyuk 160 targets and he blows past St Browns production IMO.

Agreed. He’s also as good or better than the current version of Adams and he’s better than the current version of Allen too. The only WR’s I think are clearly 100% a cut above are JJ, Hill, Lamb and Chase
I like Aiyuk  
SimmsToBavaro : 4/24/2024 8:38 pm : link
But this would be an awful use of resources. Pass
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christian : 4/24/2024 8:39 pm : link
If you told me at the start of UFA the Giants might turn 6, 39, 47 and Slayton into Burns, Aiyuk, and JJM I wouldn't believe it.

If Schoen pulls that off, hats off to him.
I agree Sean  
arniefez : 4/24/2024 8:44 pm : link
I think the best chance for the Giants offense to to become at least league average (which would be HUGE improvement) is to draft JJM and good RB in round 3 or 4, trade for Aiyuk and combine them with the TE/OL depth acquired in free agency .
Interesting tie in with JMM and Aiyuck  
Shecky : 4/24/2024 9:02 pm : link
Read a few times that JMM would frequently lock in on his target and wasn’t quick to the second option.

Getting a true #1 would be really important if those scouting reports are accurate

Secondly.
Giants may have decided JMM + Aiyuck + next years #1 > Maye
RE: RE: RE: The arguments and rankings  
Eric on Li : 4/24/2024 9:02 pm : link
In comment 16484777 Strahan91 said:
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Are pointless. Aiyuk is good. Had 1300 yards in a key role for one of the NFL’s best offenses.

There’s about 7-8 elite WR in the league that are a cut above (JJ, ARSB, Hill, Chase, Lamb, Brown, Evans, Adams, Allen).

After that group, how you rank the next tier of guys (Cooper, Nacua, Higgins, DJ Moore, Aiyuk, Waddle, Devonta Smith, Collins, Diggs, Metcalf, Ridley, Mcalaurin, Deebo, Pitman, G. Wilson) really depends on personal preference. If you told me I could add any of those guys to the Giants - the only ones I’d definitively pick over Aiyuk are Waddle, and Wilson. Too soon on Puka.



I actually think he’s at least as good as St Brown and definitely more dynamic. Give Aiyuk 160 targets and he blows past St Browns production IMO.


Agreed. He’s also as good or better than the current version of Adams and he’s better than the current version of Allen too. The only WR’s I think are clearly 100% a cut above are JJ, Hill, Lamb and Chase


id go amon-ra over aiyuk because he is so damn tough, steady, and polished. you lose a little explosiveness but ill take the other stuff. that's also why ive been a lean toward odunze > nabers out of guys in the draft.
Get Aiyuk and Draft Bowers  
ij_reilly : 4/24/2024 9:26 pm : link
Get Aiyuk, trade with Minnesota. Draft Bowers at 11. Maybe get Nix at 23. Or get the QB next year.

Crazy.
RE: I am going to laugh  
bigblueny : 4/24/2024 9:29 pm : link
In comment 16484613 Amtoft said:
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when the Giants draft Nabers and trade for Aiyuk... this site will explode!


Not only would I laugh, but I would be incredibly happy with a result like this. Get the QBs in the room already some guys to throw to!

Prefer MHJ or Odunze over Nabers though.
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Rjanyg : 4/24/2024 9:56 pm : link
In comment 16484787 christian said:
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If you told me at the start of UFA the Giants might turn 6, 39, 47 and Slayton into Burns, Aiyuk, and JJM I wouldn't believe it.

If Schoen pulls that off, hats off to him.


Exactly!
RE: RE: While I like the aggression  
Chocco : 4/24/2024 10:20 pm : link
In comment 16484657 UConn4523 said:
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and the thought of McCarthy throwing to Aiyuk (and NYG giving up a 2nd) - this would be a big economic transaction. Big money + a premium draft pick (maybe more) for a guy that is good (not great) is a huge swing.



Good not great is a WR2 IMO. Aiyuk with a full load of targets is one of the 10-15 best WRs in the league. Even extending that out to top 20 is much better than Good. 18 yards per catch on 75 receptions is nuts.

He has flat out disappeared for weeks at a time. I wouldn't hate the move if the price is right, but he is not a true #1
RE: RE: RE: While I like the aggression  
Eric on Li : 4/24/2024 10:27 pm : link
In comment 16485028 Chocco said:
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and the thought of McCarthy throwing to Aiyuk (and NYG giving up a 2nd) - this would be a big economic transaction. Big money + a premium draft pick (maybe more) for a guy that is good (not great) is a huge swing.



Good not great is a WR2 IMO. Aiyuk with a full load of targets is one of the 10-15 best WRs in the league. Even extending that out to top 20 is much better than Good. 18 yards per catch on 75 receptions is nuts.


He has flat out disappeared for weeks at a time. I wouldn't hate the move if the price is right, but he is not a true #1


I assume you mean weeks:

2
13
17 (think they had already clinched)

because every other game he had at least 57 yards or a td.

he had 7x 100 yard games and 3 others where he scored tds with less than 100.

and again, this is with low volume because he shared an offense with CMC/Kittle/Deebo. All 4 players had 80+ targets.


How about we do our homework  
Rudy5757 : 4/24/2024 10:36 pm : link
And draft a good WR in a WR rich draft?

You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.

If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.
RE: How about we do our homework  
Eric on Li : 4/24/2024 10:39 pm : link
In comment 16485072 Rudy5757 said:
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And draft a good WR in a WR rich draft?

You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.

If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.


in the whole of the last 2 full drafts, 61 wide receivers total, how many players have had a 1300 yard season?
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ryanmkeane : 4/24/2024 10:41 pm : link
Aiyuk is one of the best receivers in the league. I’d trade the 47 for him easily, if that’s all it took.
RE: How about we do our homework  
bw in dc : 4/24/2024 10:54 pm : link
In comment 16485072 Rudy5757 said:
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And draft a good WR in a WR rich draft?

You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.

If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.


I like Aiyuk, but I agree. He seems like player to add as a final piece, especially with the inevitable contract he gets that will very likely top Amon-Ra St. Browns record setting contract of 4yrs/$120M with $77M guaranteed.

And after being in a great environment like San Fran, is Aiyuk really going to want to be at a place breaking in a rookie QB or playing with Jones or Lock?
I said this when this was first posted last week  
JT039 : 4/24/2024 10:56 pm : link
KC
Baltimore
Buffalo

These are the three teams that make the most sense. They need WRs. And giving up a late one isn’t unreasonable. But Baltimore just extended Bateman.

But with Rice looking at a length suspension - KC might be the best team.
RE: I said this when this was first posted last week  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 10:58 pm : link
In comment 16485117 JT039 said:
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KC
Baltimore
Buffalo

These are the three teams that make the most sense. They need WRs. And giving up a late one isn’t unreasonable. But Baltimore just extended Bateman.

But with Rice looking at a length suspension - KC might be the best team.


What if they think Worthy could be their next Tyreek Hill?
RE: RE: How about we do our homework  
Eric on Li : 4/24/2024 11:00 pm : link
In comment 16485113 bw in dc said:
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In comment 16485072 Rudy5757 said:


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And draft a good WR in a WR rich draft?

You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.

If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.



I like Aiyuk, but I agree. He seems like player to add as a final piece, especially with the inevitable contract he gets that will very likely top Amon-Ra St. Browns record setting contract of 4yrs/$120M with $77M guaranteed.

And after being in a great environment like San Fran, is Aiyuk really going to want to be at a place breaking in a rookie QB or playing with Jones or Lock?


most people have no problem going to a place that writes them a $120m check.

the whole 'final piece' thing is imo a generally stupid concept. this regime is in year 3. mcdaniel traded for tyreek at age 28 in year 1, how did that work out?

again, year 3, get busy livin or get busy dyin. obviously if you miss on the top qbs you probably picked a WR top 10 and dont trade for aiyuk.
Oh man  
Johnny5 : 4/24/2024 11:03 pm : link
I would love to have Aiyuk. I don't see it though, not for the $$ when we could draft one of the WR out of this crop.
RE: How about we do our homework  
Breeze_94 : 4/24/2024 11:22 pm : link
In comment 16485072 Rudy5757 said:
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And draft a good WR in a WR rich draft?

You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.

If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.


IIRC the Giants met with Keon Coleman at the combine. Wonder if he is an option at 47.
RE: RE: How about we do our homework  
Roto_Wizard : 4/24/2024 11:37 pm : link
In comment 16485143 Breeze_94 said:
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In comment 16485072 Rudy5757 said:


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And draft a good WR in a WR rich draft?

You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.

If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.



IIRC the Giants met with Keon Coleman at the combine. Wonder if he is an option at 47.



Coleman doesn’t really have the same skillset as Aiyuk, but he could certainly be in play there. In the second round, I’d love to get a McConkey/Pearsall option.
RE: RE: RE: How about we do our homework  
bw in dc : 4/25/2024 12:03 am : link
In comment 16485125 Eric on Li said:
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most people have no problem going to a place that writes them a $120m check.

the whole 'final piece' thing is imo a generally stupid concept. this regime is in year 3. mcdaniel traded for tyreek at age 28 in year 1, how did that work out?

again, year 3, get busy livin or get busy dyin. obviously if you miss on the top qbs you probably picked a WR top 10 and dont trade for aiyuk.


I'm sure Aiyuk will gladly cash the big checks. I'm less sure he would be as productive here without all of the constituent parts he had in San Fran.

I think these final pieces are good reminders. AJ Brown was a nice final piece for the Eagles. Randy Moss for the Patriots. Stafford was a nice final piece for the Rams. McCaffrey for the 9ers.

Let's look how Tyreke has worked out. Individually, he's been awesome in Miami. He's made them a fun watch for sure. But the team? Back-to-back wildcard spots (good), but out of the playoffs in week one.

Of course, his prior team have won back-to-back Super Bowls without him. And I don't know if you have noticed, but Miami hasn't had a great offseason keeping or adding players. But I will consider the jury still out. So, let's see how year three plays out...

Look, it's not the worst idea. But we need to get the first part solved first - QB. If that happens, I may feel better.
not just what Aiyuk brings re; his own talent  
bc4life : 4/25/2024 12:09 am : link
he should make the wr corps better. but until it's done, it means nothing
RE: RE: RE: RE: How about we do our homework  
Eric on Li : 4/25/2024 12:11 am : link
In comment 16485162 bw in dc said:
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Look, it's not the worst idea. But we need to get the first part solved first - QB. If that happens, I may feel better.


nobody is suggesting this if they draft nabers/odunze. the entire point is if they get their QB in round 1.
RE: RE: How about we do our homework  
Rjanyg : 4/25/2024 7:52 am : link
In comment 16485143 Breeze_94 said:
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In comment 16485072 Rudy5757 said:


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And draft a good WR in a WR rich draft?

You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.

If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.



IIRC the Giants met with Keon Coleman at the combine. Wonder if he is an option at 47.


Coleman at 47 would be awesome. I have done a few mocks with him falling there.
RE: How about we do our homework  
TheBlueprintNC : 4/25/2024 10:09 am : link
In comment 16485072 Rudy5757 said:
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And draft a good WR in a WR rich draft?

You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.

If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.


Exactly this goes against Schoen's MO why trade and pay for a WR in draft rich with WRs???
Rickey tweeting about eagles  
mphbullet36 : 4/25/2024 10:25 am : link
https://twitter.com/prettyrickey213/status/1783501846524367131

@prettyrickey213
Hearing a big Eagles deal is in the works #FlyEaglesFly
RE: RE: How about we do our homework  
TrueBlue56 : 4/25/2024 10:26 am : link
In comment 16485632 TheBlueprintNC said:
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In comment 16485072 Rudy5757 said:


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And draft a good WR in a WR rich draft?

You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.

If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.



Exactly this goes against Schoen's MO why trade and pay for a WR in draft rich with WRs???


Against his MO? in what? His 2 years as GM? Joe schoen was with the Buffalo bills when they traded for Stefon Diggs in 2020.

2020 was regarded as a wide receiver rich draft, where a record 13 wide receivers went in the first 2 rounds.
RE: Rickey tweeting about eagles  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 11:56 am : link
In comment 16485670 mphbullet36 said:
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https://twitter.com/prettyrickey213/status/1783501846524367131

@prettyrickey213
Hearing a big Eagles deal is in the works #FlyEaglesFly


I'm hearing they are going to trade up to 12 with Denver for Quinyon Mitchell.
RE: Why are so many Giants fans  
JCassmen : 4/25/2024 6:56 pm : link
In comment 16484556 Big Rick in FL said:
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Against trading for an All-Pro WR that just turned 26 last month?


$$$
RE: How about we do our homework  
JCassmen : 4/25/2024 6:58 pm : link
In comment 16485072 Rudy5757 said:
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And draft a good WR in a WR rich draft?

You can’t keep giving up draft assets and FA money. These are moves you make for the last pieces, not the moves to make a bad team better.

If this is the route they go it’s throwing good money after bad.


This!
Headed to Buffalo  
TheBlueprintNC : 4/26/2024 9:06 am : link
Think this makes sense for both teams and the player
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