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Do you make this trade for J.J. McCarthy?

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2024 7:06 pm
Caleb, Maye, Daniels are off the board.

He insists Cardinals don't want to trade down past 6 (which I believe).

Giants use their 3rd rounder (#70) overall to ensure they get McCarthy without a team jumping in front of them.

Kollman says the 3rd rounder meets the draft chart value.
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No  
UberAlias : 4/24/2024 7:58 pm : link
I would take Nabers over JJ. JJ comes into consideration for me at 6 if top 3 QBs plus Nabers and MHJ are off the board.
Why  
Snorkels : 4/24/2024 7:58 pm : link
in god's name would Arizona even contemplate that. Maybe they trade down but they want to come away with Harrison or a big package for the picks and that's neither. And you don't think Minny could at least give them the part b. Stop dreaming!
Penix at 6  
averagejoe : 4/24/2024 7:59 pm : link
and don't gamble on trading down for him .
I think I could get behind that trade, but I don't want Aiyuk,  
jb322 : 4/24/2024 8:00 pm : link
I'd prefer Tee Higgins
Just a crazy thought given the misdirection being used  
rich in DC : 4/24/2024 8:04 pm : link
What if the Giants know that none of the “top 4” QBs are making it to #6- and they can’t agree on a trade-up. Given how his name has rarely been connected to the Giants, what if their plan B is Nix? That would be one of the great smoke jobs pre-draft that I have ever seen.

I’m not saying that he’s the next best QB- but what if that’s why we haven’t heard any connection to him was to mislead everyone away from their target?
RE: Just a crazy thought given the misdirection being used  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2024 8:06 pm : link
In comment 16484702 rich in DC said:
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What if the Giants know that none of the “top 4” QBs are making it to #6- and they can’t agree on a trade-up. Given how his name has rarely been connected to the Giants, what if their plan B is Nix? That would be one of the great smoke jobs pre-draft that I have ever seen.

I’m not saying that he’s the next best QB- but what if that’s why we haven’t heard any connection to him was to mislead everyone away from their target?


He was one of the 30 visits.
LOL  
UberAlias : 4/24/2024 8:07 pm : link
I was just going to say-- "Eric's been known to throw Nix's name out from time to time, wonder if he's heard something."
RE: RE: RE: The most I would give for McCarthy  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 8:08 pm : link
In comment 16484629 Sy'56 said:
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is 6 and the 2024 3rd. Yes.

I would not give a 2025 2nd.


Sy, my question is this. You said if McCarthy went back to school he'd be in the discussion to be the first overall pick. Yet, a 2025 2nd would keep you from trading for McCarthy?



"Could" be the top overall pick. Partially due to a lack of competition and assuming he took a step up.


How do you like Jaxon Dart? He's my sleeper pick for #1 qb next year.
Yes  
Biteymax22 : 4/24/2024 8:08 pm : link
We haven’t exactly lit the world on fire with 3rd rounders, if thats what it takes to get your next QB, go for it.
No. I would not draft McCarthy at all.  
Tom in NY : 4/24/2024 8:12 pm : link
I don't see 'special' with him.
Great young guy, good athlete, but I am unimpressed with his passing skills.
I would not take Nix or Penix either.

Williams, Daniels, and Maye are the only QBs that interest me in this year's draft.

If they take any of the other QBs it feels like we'll right back here again in 2-3 years realizing we don't have "the guy."
Go all in on Maye....if NE is dead set on taking him, then build out the rest of the team and gather ammunition for 2025.
Yes  
Maijay : 4/24/2024 8:35 pm : link
If he is their man that's a fair deal.
NO  
mpinmaine : 4/24/2024 8:46 pm : link
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If Schoen and Daboll are sold on JJM, then hell yes  
Section331 : 4/24/2024 8:49 pm : link
you make that trade.
Yup  
Rjanyg : 4/24/2024 9:35 pm : link
If that’s all it takes? I’d be behind ecstatic!
There is a reasonable chance that this happens.  
Rico : 4/24/2024 9:35 pm : link
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RE: There is a reasonable chance that this happens.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2024 9:35 pm : link
In comment 16484939 Rico said:
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Rico weighs in...
RE: There is a reasonable chance that this happens.  
GFAN52 : 4/24/2024 9:36 pm : link
In comment 16484939 Rico said:
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Thanks Rico.
RE: There is a reasonable chance that this happens.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2024 9:37 pm : link
In comment 16484939 Rico said:
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This is a change, isn't it?
hell yes  
ElitoCanton : 4/24/2024 9:38 pm : link
make that trade.
Somewhat of a change.  
Rico : 4/24/2024 9:43 pm : link
It sounds like we have some deal in place with Arizona to move up to 4. At first it was only for Maye or Daniels, but today my source mentioned JJ as a possibility.

Two years ago it seemed like Thibs was off our board, but then my source said he was on our board in the final 24 hours before the draft. This may be a similar situation.
Rico  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2024 9:44 pm : link
it's going to be a wild 24 hours.
RE: Somewhat of a change.  
GFAN52 : 4/24/2024 9:45 pm : link
In comment 16484960 Rico said:
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It sounds like we have some deal in place with Arizona to move up to 4. At first it was only for Maye or Daniels, but today my source mentioned JJ as a possibility.

Two years ago it seemed like Thibs was off our board, but then my source said he was on our board in the final 24 hours before the draft. This may be a similar situation.


Great info, thanks for sharing.
 
christian : 4/24/2024 9:46 pm : link
Thanks Rico, now I can't sleep.

Most exciting time of the year. Hopefully next year it's not!
Thanks, Rico  
Sean : 4/24/2024 9:46 pm : link
It's simple logic. It makes no sense for the Giants to not come away with a QB. This is year 3 of the Schoen/Daboll build, there needs to be a direction.

Drafting Nabers at 6 and starting Jones is no direction imo.
RE: Somewhat of a change.  
Eric on Li : 4/24/2024 9:47 pm : link
In comment 16484960 Rico said:
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It sounds like we have some deal in place with Arizona to move up to 4. At first it was only for Maye or Daniels, but today my source mentioned JJ as a possibility.

Two years ago it seemed like Thibs was off our board, but then my source said he was on our board in the final 24 hours before the draft. This may be a similar situation.


RE: Somewhat of a change.  
bigblue5611 : 4/24/2024 9:50 pm : link
In comment 16484960 Rico said:
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It sounds like we have some deal in place with Arizona to move up to 4. At first it was only for Maye or Daniels, but today my source mentioned JJ as a possibility.

Two years ago it seemed like Thibs was off our board, but then my source said he was on our board in the final 24 hours before the draft. This may be a similar situation.


Gettin the pappy ready front and center now for tomorrow night. Thanks Rico.
New tweet…  
bceagle05 : 4/24/2024 9:51 pm : link
@prettyrickey213
The New York Giants aren’t leaving the draft without a QB and everything points to them taking one tomorrow. Sure sounds like Joe Schoen is getting his ducks in a row to pick a QB #NYGiants 
So much for...  
bw in dc : 4/24/2024 9:51 pm : link
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“There's going to be a lot of smoke this week: ‘This is the Giants’ guy and this is who they’re taking,’” Schoen said. “And nobody knows because there’s one person that does and I’m keeping things pretty close to the vest in terms of what we’re going to do.
RE: Somewhat of a change.  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 9:55 pm : link
In comment 16484960 Rico said:
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It sounds like we have some deal in place with Arizona to move up to 4. At first it was only for Maye or Daniels, but today my source mentioned JJ as a possibility.

Two years ago it seemed like Thibs was off our board, but then my source said he was on our board in the final 24 hours before the draft. This may be a similar situation.


Hell YES! I wonder if this would only be for one of Maye or JJM or they would do it for either. I've been saying for months that my preference would be a reasonable trade to 4 for Maye or JJM with my personal preference being for JJM.
RE: There is a reasonable chance that this happens.  
Chris684 : 4/24/2024 9:57 pm : link
In comment 16484939 Rico said:
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Let’s go!

McCarthy would be an excellent choice for us.
RE: New tweet…  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 9:58 pm : link
In comment 16484973 bceagle05 said:
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@prettyrickey213
The New York Giants aren’t leaving the draft without a QB and everything points to them taking one tomorrow. Sure sounds like Joe Schoen is getting his ducks in a row to pick a QB #NYGiants 


He's reading BBI obviously
Of course  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/24/2024 9:59 pm : link
the Giants could still get boxed out here.

Pats take McCarthy and then the Giants and Vikings are fighting over Maye at #4 and #5.
RE: Of course  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 10:03 pm : link
In comment 16484988 Eric from BBI said:
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the Giants could still get boxed out here.

Pats take McCarthy and then the Giants and Vikings are fighting over Maye at #4 and #5.


Sounds like if we have a deal in place with AZ then the only way Minnesota could beat that for Maye would be to trade with LAC then AZ. I'm guessing AZ has already explored all options with trading down with Minnesota then back up, etc.
getting my gif game ready for tomorrow  
Eric on Li : 4/24/2024 10:04 pm : link
anyone who didnt see this live, this was the biggest play of the CFB playoff.

he doesn't make that 1 handed catch on the lateral it's 7 points for bama.

RE: RE: Of course  
mphbullet36 : 4/24/2024 10:04 pm : link
In comment 16484993 BleedBlue46 said:
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the Giants could still get boxed out here.

Pats take McCarthy and then the Giants and Vikings are fighting over Maye at #4 and #5.



Sounds like if we have a deal in place with AZ then the only way Minnesota could beat that for Maye would be to trade with LAC then AZ. I'm guessing AZ has already explored all options with trading down with Minnesota then back up, etc.


Sounds like Arizona wants to make sure they get one of the elite WR and no trade directly with Minnesota locks them into that.
Or is this trade with AZ step 1 to get to 3?  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 10:06 pm : link
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RE: Of course  
bw in dc : 4/24/2024 10:08 pm : link
In comment 16484988 Eric from BBI said:
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the Giants could still get boxed out here.

Pats take McCarthy and then the Giants and Vikings are fighting over Maye at #4 and #5.


Well, let's hope the first part - Pats taking JMac - occurs.

And the way for Kraft to get Wolf on board is a good, old fashioned "happy ending" massage.
RE: Or is this trade with AZ step 1 to get to 3?  
Sean : 4/24/2024 10:10 pm : link
In comment 16484999 BleedBlue46 said:
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Good point, but it'd need to be announced now.
To the OP...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/24/2024 10:12 pm : link
...yes, I would.
RE: RE: Or is this trade with AZ step 1 to get to 3?  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 10:15 pm : link
In comment 16485007 Sean said:
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Good point, but it'd need to be announced now.


Not necessarily could be announced as late as NE is on the clock.
RE: Or is this trade with AZ step 1 to get to 3?  
blueblood : 4/24/2024 10:17 pm : link
In comment 16484999 BleedBlue46 said:
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Hmmmmm this is also a possibility... but I suspect Arizona wont move until they see what Patriots do. If they are set on getting either MHJr or Nabers.. Patriots cant take a WR..
RE: RE: Or is this trade with AZ step 1 to get to 3?  
BleedBlue46 : 4/24/2024 10:20 pm : link
In comment 16485019 blueblood said:
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Hmmmmm this is also a possibility... but I suspect Arizona wont move until they see what Patriots do. If they are set on getting either MHJr or Nabers.. Patriots cant take a WR..


That's a good point, it would take NE confirming with AZ they aren't going wr before the trade with us. Good point.
RE: getting my gif game ready for tomorrow  
Eric on Li : 4/24/2024 10:20 pm : link
In comment 16484996 Eric on Li said:
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anyone who didnt see this live, this was the biggest play of the CFB playoff.

he doesn't make that 1 handed catch on the lateral it's 7 points for bama.



take 2

100% yes  
.McL. : 4/24/2024 10:21 pm : link
Everyday and twice on Sunday
RE: Somewhat of a change.  
Toth029 : 4/24/2024 11:55 pm : link
In comment 16484960 Rico said:
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It sounds like we have some deal in place with Arizona to move up to 4. At first it was only for Maye or Daniels, but today my source mentioned JJ as a possibility.

Two years ago it seemed like Thibs was off our board, but then my source said he was on our board in the final 24 hours before the draft. This may be a similar situation.


Appreciate the intel! Maye or McCarthy would be a great start.
If the Cardinals don't want to move lower than 6  
BH28 : 4/25/2024 12:17 am : link
Why do you need to make the move at all?

I feel like the Chargers are in the same boat too, they got rid of Keenan Allen, I'm sure they'd love to pair a guy like Nabers or Odunze with Herbert.

Nobody wants to move out of the top 10 unless they get a godfather deal and I frankly don't think the Vikings have the ammo to move to 5.

I think if they are going to move up, it's going to be a trade with us.
Giants third rounders are still cursed, might as well  
Blue Dog : 4/25/2024 3:01 am : link
Hopefully Cordale Flott (looked okay last year) and Jalin Hyatt (still early) can break that curse.
Trade up for JJ?  
UberAlias : 4/25/2024 4:46 am : link
Ugh.
I’d trade a 3rd to ensure the Giants get their QB  
csb : 4/25/2024 6:03 am : link
I’ll trust Daboll and Schoen on who they choose - McCarthy or other.

If they did this and traded a 2nd for Aiyuk it would say a lot about how JS views roster building. It would signal that he believes that adding Aiyuk likely elevates the play of Robinson, Hyatt and Slayton and thus takes the offense to a new level. I think the same could be said about Burns and what that does for a guy like Ojulari, who becomes valuable depth and could be a stud in a rotational role.

It would mean that he believes that spending big for top talent at premium positions elevates everyone else vs. building the roster by gambling that 2nd and 3rd rounders are going to turn into premium players. Because of the cap you clearly can’t do this repeatedly but he clearly values adding the big studs and taking a big swing.
some BBIers  
fkap : 4/25/2024 8:50 am : link
have trade fever, moving up just to move up out of fear of being outbid by Minny.

We've heard speculation that NE and AZ don't want to drop out of top 10. That only leaves Chargers at 5 to worry about trading down.

There's only 2 reasons to move up: to get your choice of QB 3 or 4, and/or you're in a bidding war with another team for the last of the top targets. A bidding war means overpaying.

I would only trade if the bidding war is real. No more Gollaway scenario where every day DG would add a few more million on the contract just to make sure he got his man against an imaginary foe. Too many BBIers are hearing footsteps and dreaming up panic trades.
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