Do you make this trade for J.J. McCarthy?

Not a problem.

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is 6 and the 2024 3rd. Yes.

I would not give a 2025 2nd.

Off 47 to pick up a 4th or 5th too.

unless there's some crazy value who falls you can slide back from #47 and pick up an extra pick that will produce a comparable prospect to #70 any way.

"If I'm the Giants, we have to take a swing."

"I cannot leave the first round without resetting my quarterback clock."

the charts say - it is about a 200 pt move up. I would do that.

I take my chances he’ll either be there at #6, or if he goes at #4 or #5 I’ll take my pick of Odunze or whoever between MHJ and Nabers are left.

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In comment 16484529 Eric from BBI said:

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"I cannot leave the first round without resetting my quarterback clock."

Don't love this reason

They're not getting a full QB clock. Jones is getting $40 million 2024 and $28 in 2025.

It’s a no brainer for me.

in the discussion, Kollman says he has McCarthy and Nix rated closely.

for Maye and giving up a 2025 1 and maybe more .

Wouldn't use #6 on JJM so anything extra is a no go.

Would take a swing with the other Tier 2 guys though.

In comment 16484523 Sy'56 said:

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is 6 and the 2024 3rd. Yes. I would not give a 2025 2nd.

I would do this absolutely, and I would do the 2025 2nd too if needed for pick 4.

But in these situations you can throw the trade value chart out the window.

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"If I'm the Giants, we have to take a swing."

“Swing away Mara, swing away!”

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DO IT!

maybe even add a 2025 4th if they are resistant to moving.

In comment 16484543 Eric from BBI said:

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in the discussion, Kollman says he has McCarthy and Nix rated closely.

I have heard others say this too. I like Nix a lot. Probably more than most. Nix at 6 instead? I ll leave that up to the Giants. I m no expert . I assume Sy would say no way and 95% of BBI.

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There are many ways to take Penix.

Would only take McCarthy on a trade back - he and Penix are in the same value tier.

Yes.

QB rating and fitting a system are not the same?

But a 3rd would be a no Brainer for a QB that you desire

like a better Brock Purdy.

I don't know if that's a good or bad thing to be honest lol

All depends on how he is used I guess.

Maye is the Josh Allen/Herbert 2.0 Daboll/Schoen are most after but they DO like McCarthy

Just take Penix at 6.

In comment 16484523 Sy'56 said:

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is 6 and the 2024 3rd. Yes. I would not give a 2025 2nd.

Sy, my question is this. You said if McCarthy went back to school he'd be in the discussion to be the first overall pick. Yet, a 2025 2nd would keep you from trading for McCarthy?

But just between us, I'd make it a 2nd if I also got to see the look on Adofo Mensah's face when he learned that's all it took.

about this concept, but JMac has more skills than the incumbent, so I'd probably hold my nose and go along just to begin the process of ending the Jones era.

And I would then hope the board sets high expectation for JMac; and many don't fall back into the trap of our QB just being a passenger again. The QB needs to drive the team.

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Absolutely. In a heartbeat.

If you were going to take him at 6 then a third rounder shouldn’t stop you.

In comment 16484598 Sean said:

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In comment 16484523 Sy'56 said: Quote: is 6 and the 2024 3rd. Yes. I would not give a 2025 2nd. Sy, my question is this. You said if McCarthy went back to school he'd be in the discussion to be the first overall pick. Yet, a 2025 2nd would keep you from trading for McCarthy?

"Could" be the top overall pick. Partially due to a lack of competition and assuming he took a step up.

I’d even throw in an early day3 2025 pick to close the deal.

Yes if they have JJ as one of their bonafide first round talents and a top 2 QB.

Yep.

Absolutely. But I doubt the Cardinals would accept only #70. My guess is they would at least want #47 given that they'd be risking losing MHJ by moving to #6. There is a "tax" to be paid to force them to incur that risk. Trade charts are irrelevant.

Daniel Jones experience

Higher than the other QBs.

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JJ has grown on me. Certainly a risk but he at the moment projects as. Top pick next year. Who know where we pick next year so let’s go for if

Its going to be a small trade up to 4/5 and not at 6.

You are one pick away from MHJR. I’ll take my chances at 6 or call the chargers

I would take Nabers over JJ. JJ comes into consideration for me at 6 if top 3 QBs plus Nabers and MHJ are off the board.

in god's name would Arizona even contemplate that. Maybe they trade down but they want to come away with Harrison or a big package for the picks and that's neither. And you don't think Minny could at least give them the part b. Stop dreaming!

and don't gamble on trading down for him .

I'd prefer Tee Higgins

What if the Giants know that none of the “top 4” QBs are making it to #6- and they can’t agree on a trade-up. Given how his name has rarely been connected to the Giants, what if their plan B is Nix? That would be one of the great smoke jobs pre-draft that I have ever seen.

I’m not saying that he’s the next best QB- but what if that’s why we haven’t heard any connection to him was to mislead everyone away from their target?

In comment 16484702 rich in DC said:

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What if the Giants know that none of the “top 4” QBs are making it to #6- and they can’t agree on a trade-up. Given how his name has rarely been connected to the Giants, what if their plan B is Nix? That would be one of the great smoke jobs pre-draft that I have ever seen. I’m not saying that he’s the next best QB- but what if that’s why we haven’t heard any connection to him was to mislead everyone away from their target?

He was one of the 30 visits.

I was just going to say-- "Eric's been known to throw Nix's name out from time to time, wonder if he's heard something."

In comment 16484629 Sy'56 said:

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In comment 16484598 Sean said: Quote: In comment 16484523 Sy'56 said: Quote: is 6 and the 2024 3rd. Yes. I would not give a 2025 2nd. Sy, my question is this. You said if McCarthy went back to school he'd be in the discussion to be the first overall pick. Yet, a 2025 2nd would keep you from trading for McCarthy? "Could" be the top overall pick. Partially due to a lack of competition and assuming he took a step up.

How do you like Jaxon Dart? He's my sleeper pick for #1 qb next year.

We haven’t exactly lit the world on fire with 3rd rounders, if thats what it takes to get your next QB, go for it.

I don't see 'special' with him.
Great young guy, good athlete, but I am unimpressed with his passing skills.
I would not take Nix or Penix either.

Williams, Daniels, and Maye are the only QBs that interest me in this year's draft.

If they take any of the other QBs it feels like we'll right back here again in 2-3 years realizing we don't have "the guy."
Go all in on Maye....if NE is dead set on taking him, then build out the rest of the team and gather ammunition for 2025.

If he is their man that's a fair deal.

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you make that trade.

If that’s all it takes? I’d be behind ecstatic!

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Rico weighs in...

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Thanks Rico.

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This is a change, isn't it?

make that trade.

It sounds like we have some deal in place with Arizona to move up to 4. At first it was only for Maye or Daniels, but today my source mentioned JJ as a possibility.

Two years ago it seemed like Thibs was off our board, but then my source said he was on our board in the final 24 hours before the draft. This may be a similar situation.

it's going to be a wild 24 hours.

In comment 16484960 Rico said:

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It sounds like we have some deal in place with Arizona to move up to 4. At first it was only for Maye or Daniels, but today my source mentioned JJ as a possibility. Two years ago it seemed like Thibs was off our board, but then my source said he was on our board in the final 24 hours before the draft. This may be a similar situation.

Great info, thanks for sharing.

Thanks Rico, now I can't sleep.

Most exciting time of the year. Hopefully next year it's not!

It's simple logic. It makes no sense for the Giants to not come away with a QB. This is year 3 of the Schoen/Daboll build, there needs to be a direction.

Drafting Nabers at 6 and starting Jones is no direction imo.

In comment 16484960 Rico said:

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It sounds like we have some deal in place with Arizona to move up to 4. At first it was only for Maye or Daniels, but today my source mentioned JJ as a possibility. Two years ago it seemed like Thibs was off our board, but then my source said he was on our board in the final 24 hours before the draft. This may be a similar situation.

In comment 16484960 Rico said:

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It sounds like we have some deal in place with Arizona to move up to 4. At first it was only for Maye or Daniels, but today my source mentioned JJ as a possibility. Two years ago it seemed like Thibs was off our board, but then my source said he was on our board in the final 24 hours before the draft. This may be a similar situation.

Gettin the pappy ready front and center now for tomorrow night. Thanks Rico.

@prettyrickey213
The New York Giants aren’t leaving the draft without a QB and everything points to them taking one tomorrow. Sure sounds like Joe Schoen is getting his ducks in a row to pick a QB #NYGiants 

In comment 16484960 Rico said:

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It sounds like we have some deal in place with Arizona to move up to 4. At first it was only for Maye or Daniels, but today my source mentioned JJ as a possibility. Two years ago it seemed like Thibs was off our board, but then my source said he was on our board in the final 24 hours before the draft. This may be a similar situation.

Hell YES! I wonder if this would only be for one of Maye or JJM or they would do it for either. I've been saying for months that my preference would be a reasonable trade to 4 for Maye or JJM with my personal preference being for JJM.

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Let’s go!

McCarthy would be an excellent choice for us.

In comment 16484973 bceagle05 said:

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@prettyrickey213 The New York Giants aren’t leaving the draft without a QB and everything points to them taking one tomorrow. Sure sounds like Joe Schoen is getting his ducks in a row to pick a QB #NYGiants

He's reading BBI obviously

the Giants could still get boxed out here.

Pats take McCarthy and then the Giants and Vikings are fighting over Maye at #4 and #5.

In comment 16484988 Eric from BBI said:

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the Giants could still get boxed out here. Pats take McCarthy and then the Giants and Vikings are fighting over Maye at #4 and #5.

Sounds like if we have a deal in place with AZ then the only way Minnesota could beat that for Maye would be to trade with LAC then AZ. I'm guessing AZ has already explored all options with trading down with Minnesota then back up, etc.

anyone who didnt see this live, this was the biggest play of the CFB playoff.

he doesn't make that 1 handed catch on the lateral it's 7 points for bama.

In comment 16484993 BleedBlue46 said:

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In comment 16484988 Eric from BBI said: Quote: the Giants could still get boxed out here. Pats take McCarthy and then the Giants and Vikings are fighting over Maye at #4 and #5. Sounds like if we have a deal in place with AZ then the only way Minnesota could beat that for Maye would be to trade with LAC then AZ. I'm guessing AZ has already explored all options with trading down with Minnesota then back up, etc.

Sounds like Arizona wants to make sure they get one of the elite WR and no trade directly with Minnesota locks them into that.

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In comment 16484988 Eric from BBI said:

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the Giants could still get boxed out here. Pats take McCarthy and then the Giants and Vikings are fighting over Maye at #4 and #5.

Well, let's hope the first part - Pats taking JMac - occurs.

And the way for Kraft to get Wolf on board is a good, old fashioned "happy ending" massage.

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Good point, but it'd need to be announced now.

...yes, I would.

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In comment 16484999 BleedBlue46 said: Quote: ?? Good point, but it'd need to be announced now.

Not necessarily could be announced as late as NE is on the clock.

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Hmmmmm this is also a possibility... but I suspect Arizona wont move until they see what Patriots do. If they are set on getting either MHJr or Nabers.. Patriots cant take a WR..

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In comment 16484999 BleedBlue46 said: Quote: ?? Hmmmmm this is also a possibility... but I suspect Arizona wont move until they see what Patriots do. If they are set on getting either MHJr or Nabers.. Patriots cant take a WR..

That's a good point, it would take NE confirming with AZ they aren't going wr before the trade with us. Good point.

In comment 16484996 Eric on Li said:

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anyone who didnt see this live, this was the biggest play of the CFB playoff. he doesn't make that 1 handed catch on the lateral it's 7 points for bama.

take 2

Everyday and twice on Sunday

In comment 16484960 Rico said:

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It sounds like we have some deal in place with Arizona to move up to 4. At first it was only for Maye or Daniels, but today my source mentioned JJ as a possibility. Two years ago it seemed like Thibs was off our board, but then my source said he was on our board in the final 24 hours before the draft. This may be a similar situation.

Appreciate the intel! Maye or McCarthy would be a great start.

Why do you need to make the move at all?

I feel like the Chargers are in the same boat too, they got rid of Keenan Allen, I'm sure they'd love to pair a guy like Nabers or Odunze with Herbert.

Nobody wants to move out of the top 10 unless they get a godfather deal and I frankly don't think the Vikings have the ammo to move to 5.

I think if they are going to move up, it's going to be a trade with us.

Hopefully Cordale Flott (looked okay last year) and Jalin Hyatt (still early) can break that curse.

Ugh.

I’ll trust Daboll and Schoen on who they choose - McCarthy or other.

If they did this and traded a 2nd for Aiyuk it would say a lot about how JS views roster building. It would signal that he believes that adding Aiyuk likely elevates the play of Robinson, Hyatt and Slayton and thus takes the offense to a new level. I think the same could be said about Burns and what that does for a guy like Ojulari, who becomes valuable depth and could be a stud in a rotational role.

It would mean that he believes that spending big for top talent at premium positions elevates everyone else vs. building the roster by gambling that 2nd and 3rd rounders are going to turn into premium players. Because of the cap you clearly can’t do this repeatedly but he clearly values adding the big studs and taking a big swing.

have trade fever, moving up just to move up out of fear of being outbid by Minny.

We've heard speculation that NE and AZ don't want to drop out of top 10. That only leaves Chargers at 5 to worry about trading down.

There's only 2 reasons to move up: to get your choice of QB 3 or 4, and/or you're in a bidding war with another team for the last of the top targets. A bidding war means overpaying.

I would only trade if the bidding war is real. No more Gollaway scenario where every day DG would add a few more million on the contract just to make sure he got his man against an imaginary foe. Too many BBIers are hearing footsteps and dreaming up panic trades.