Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
Expecting the Giants to be aggressive about a trade up for a QB. But still too many moving parts for me to land on Drake Maye or J.J. McCarthy.
So … my best guesstimate for Most Likely Giants Draft Pick is LSU WR Malik Nabers.
The funny thing about the draft is that no one really knows how good these guys will be. A guy picked in the 4th round could potential outperform a guy we select in the 1st. But Joe Blow here on BBI knows all. Don't get me started on resident expert Anakim.
I seriously doubt that's his motivation. He's just suggesting what many think is the most likely scenario... that the Giants will try to trade up for a QB, but fail, and settle for Nabers.
This makes no sense lol
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So he can claim he was somehow right!
I seriously doubt that's his motivation. He's just suggesting what many think is the most likely scenario... that the Giants will try to trade up for a QB, but fail, and settle for Nabers.
I agree with Essex. He's not saying it's most likely NYG is going to fail to move up, just that he has to pick one guy, and the move up could be either Maye or JJM.
So, overall, when that is factored in, he's settling on Nabers as the individual most likely to be picked.
And yes, it's all-time waffling/hedging.
He’s playing RB for us?
I will support it with hoping the team knows more than I do, which they should.
But Nabers would not be my preference.
I think I have settled on these options
1- get your QB if you like them
2 - Odunze
3- Trade down and build the roster and collect picks
Nabers is an ELITE prospect at a PREMIUM position
At the time, Barkley was considered an ELITE prospect, but at the most devalued position in the NFL.
There were more questions about how Barkley's game translated to the NFL than Nabers.
Not sure what point you are trying to make, but it isn't a good one
Nabers and MHJ would have been the top rated prospects in the 2022 and 2023 drafts according to many draft gurus.
Landing one of those guys would be absolutely incredible, and the fact that there is still a loud contingent on here that doesn't want an elite WR absolutely boggles my mind.
LOL
He probably just finished reading Schragers final mock and got confused, so he joined the masses with the WR v
I would prefer to trade down that pick if Possible, there a lot of players I like below their estimates in this location.
I think Penix is the best QB in this draft.
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..
Nabers is an ELITE prospect at a PREMIUM position
At the time, Barkley was considered an ELITE prospect, but at the most devalued position in the NFL.
There were more questions about how Barkley's game translated to the NFL than Nabers.
Not sure what point you are trying to make, but it isn't a good one
Really, some of you have zero idea how teams are built.. Let me know the superstar WR's without QB's....
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..
Nabers is an ELITE prospect at a PREMIUM position
At the time, Barkley was considered an ELITE prospect, but at the most devalued position in the NFL.
There were more questions about how Barkley's game translated to the NFL than Nabers.
Not sure what point you are trying to make, but it isn't a good one
Really, some of you have zero idea how teams are built.. Let me know the superstar WR's without QB's....
So no QB at 6 means the draft is over, no QBs available afterward?
And let’s say that’s the case, does that also mean we never take a QB ever again and it’s just DeVito throwing to Nabers for the next 5 years?
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..
Nabers is an ELITE prospect at a PREMIUM position
At the time, Barkley was considered an ELITE prospect, but at the most devalued position in the NFL.
There were more questions about how Barkley's game translated to the NFL than Nabers.
Not sure what point you are trying to make, but it isn't a good one
Really, some of you have zero idea how teams are built.. Let me know the superstar WR's without QB's....
Perhaps someone who does understand how teams are built can educate. Is it better to have a superstar WR without a quarterback or to have a forced pick bust qb and no superstar WR?
No one hated the Barkley pick more than I did. Taking one of the three superstar wide receivers at 6 tonight is nothing like the Barkley pick. The reasons are: (1) the second pick is astronomically more valuable than the the 6th pick so the giants actually spent far far more capital on Barkley than the Giants would spend on a WR tonight; and (2) wide receivers are far more impactful on the modern game than running backs and, statistically, are far less likely to get hurt and far more likely to have longer careers.
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In comment 16485309 jvm52106 said:
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..
Nabers is an ELITE prospect at a PREMIUM position
At the time, Barkley was considered an ELITE prospect, but at the most devalued position in the NFL.
There were more questions about how Barkley's game translated to the NFL than Nabers.
Not sure what point you are trying to make, but it isn't a good one
Really, some of you have zero idea how teams are built.. Let me know the superstar WR's without QB's....
Good call. We would be in a much better place if we had drafted Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen over Barkley.
"we didnt try very hard to get a QB"
Didn't know you were in the war room. These type of comments are Elite Level Stupid
Are we looking to draft a "good" prospect or a franchise prospect. That's what Schoen must determine with his statement they are only 15 1st rd grade prospects on their draft board.
Jets traded from 3 to 6 in that draft and got 6 and two 2nds. Giants could have gotten that deal by being proactive but not clear they could have done any better. And certainly not three firsts.
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What the giants did in 2018 was essentially forego three future first round draft picks (by trading back to 6) to draft Barkley at 2
Jets traded from 3 to 6 in that draft and got 6 and two 2nds. Giants could have gotten that deal by being proactive but not clear they could have done any better. And certainly not three firsts.
Colts traded with the Jets from 3 to 6, of course.
where does this asinine position come from that WR is of little importance as RB in the modern game?
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What the giants did in 2018 was essentially forego three future first round draft picks (by trading back to 6) to draft Barkley at 2
Jets traded from 3 to 6 in that draft and got 6 and two 2nds. Giants could have gotten that deal by being proactive but not clear they could have done any better. And certainly not three firsts.
I am reading that teams at the top this year want 3 firsts. But even if the haul is what you mention above, you have to add that to what the giants spent on Barkley. A 1 and two 2nds is still a lot. The point is the giants spent a lot more of potential value taking Barkley at 2 then they would take a wideout at 6 tonight.
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..
where does this asinine position come from that WR is of little importance as RB in the modern game?
Um. You do realize rosters are not static and the 2024 roster will not be the 2025 roster and the 2026 roster will not be the 2025 roster. There does not have to be rigid, defined sequence of when you get your WR vs. your QB especially when the draft is concerned and you don't control (a) when you pick in a given year and (b) talent available by position based on pick/year.
If we draft a WR #1 now its not like we can't address QB "ever" and there is thing called FA in addition to the draft.
That's a good distinction to make. Even I sometimes think of it as failure.
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..
Nabers is an ELITE prospect at a PREMIUM position
At the time, Barkley was considered an ELITE prospect, but at the most devalued position in the NFL.
There were more questions about how Barkley's game translated to the NFL than Nabers.
Not sure what point you are trying to make, but it isn't a good one
Really, some of you have zero idea how teams are built.. Let me know the superstar WR's without QB's....
Good call. We would be in a much better place if we had drafted Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen over Barkley.
Were we "Better"?...
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In comment 16485309 jvm52106 said:
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..
Nabers is an ELITE prospect at a PREMIUM position
At the time, Barkley was considered an ELITE prospect, but at the most devalued position in the NFL.
There were more questions about how Barkley's game translated to the NFL than Nabers.
Not sure what point you are trying to make, but it isn't a good one
Really, some of you have zero idea how teams are built.. Let me know the superstar WR's without QB's....
Good call. We would be in a much better place if we had drafted Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen over Barkley.
Were we "Better"?...
No not at all - my point is nobody on here knows shit
Don't bring logic and reason into this!
In the eyes of some BBIers
Not doing exactly what a specific BBIer wants = Failure
Nope. A big reason why Barkley was a mistake was the short shelf life of a RB. Not the case for a WR.
Totally disagree with one premise of this argument. NE might not have a price. If they judge either Maye or JJM as a franchise QB what will you be able to give them that would back them off. Conversely, if the Giants think Maye or JJM is a franchise QB and NE does not, there is no price too high and NE would be foolish to make one unreasonably high. So, either NE won't be moved or the Giants were unable to move them. There is no too high a price in any of those outcomes.
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..
The funny thing about the draft is that no one really knows how good these guys will be. A guy picked in the 4th round could potential outperform a guy we select in the 1st. But Joe Blow here on BBI knows all. Don't get me started on resident expert Anakim.
Damn man... what did he kiss your wife or something? Kick your dog? hahaha