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Raanan's best guess is Malik Nabers not for lack of trying

GFAN52 : 4/25/2024 8:07 am
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
Expecting the Giants to be aggressive about a trade up for a QB. But still too many moving parts for me to land on Drake Maye or J.J. McCarthy.

So … my best guesstimate for Most Likely Giants Draft Pick is LSU WR Malik Nabers.
I will hate this pick  
jvm52106 : 4/25/2024 8:09 am : link
Aa it will be Barkley part 2..
That might be the greatest hedge pick of all time  
Essex : 4/25/2024 8:11 am : link
So he can claim he was somehow right!
RE: I will hate this pick  
Swizzle : 4/25/2024 8:14 am : link
In comment 16485309 jvm52106 said:
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..


The funny thing about the draft is that no one really knows how good these guys will be. A guy picked in the 4th round could potential outperform a guy we select in the 1st. But Joe Blow here on BBI knows all. Don't get me started on resident expert Anakim.
RE: That might be the greatest hedge pick of all time  
Jim in Tampa : 4/25/2024 8:16 am : link
In comment 16485311 Essex said:
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So he can claim he was somehow right!

I seriously doubt that's his motivation. He's just suggesting what many think is the most likely scenario... that the Giants will try to trade up for a QB, but fail, and settle for Nabers.
Agree.  
redwhiteandbigblue : 4/25/2024 8:18 am : link
Won't be able to blame Shoen if he whiffs on a QB if every effort to secure one fails, but anything less than a QB in the 1st round is incredibly discouraging to me. You can have great receivers but if you do not have a QB that can consistently get them the ball, whats the sense? QB or bust for me. Daniel Jones or Drew Locke is not the solution.
RE: I will hate this pick  
SoZKillA : 4/25/2024 8:19 am : link
In comment 16485309 jvm52106 said:
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..


This makes no sense lol
Raanan is a mongo extraordinaire  
Optimus-NY : 4/25/2024 8:20 am : link
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RE: RE: That might be the greatest hedge pick of all time  
shyster : 4/25/2024 8:21 am : link
In comment 16485318 Jim in Tampa said:
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So he can claim he was somehow right!


I seriously doubt that's his motivation. He's just suggesting what many think is the most likely scenario... that the Giants will try to trade up for a QB, but fail, and settle for Nabers.


I agree with Essex. He's not saying it's most likely NYG is going to fail to move up, just that he has to pick one guy, and the move up could be either Maye or JJM.

So, overall, when that is factored in, he's settling on Nabers as the individual most likely to be picked.

And yes, it's all-time waffling/hedging.
RE: I will hate this pick  
UConn4523 : 4/25/2024 8:30 am : link
In comment 16485309 jvm52106 said:
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..


He’s playing RB for us?
while  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 8:31 am : link
I find myself rooting for a QB, I will also be disappointed to miss out on the WR.
As ususal, once the player puts on the Giants jersey  
SteelGiant : 4/25/2024 8:32 am : link
I will be rooting them to succeed.
I will support it with hoping the team knows more than I do, which they should.

But Nabers would not be my preference.

I think I have settled on these options
1- get your QB if you like them
2 - Odunze
3- Trade down and build the roster and collect picks
RE: I will hate this pick  
BigBlue7 : 4/25/2024 8:33 am : link
In comment 16485309 jvm52106 said:
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..


Nabers is an ELITE prospect at a PREMIUM position

At the time, Barkley was considered an ELITE prospect, but at the most devalued position in the NFL.

There were more questions about how Barkley's game translated to the NFL than Nabers.

Not sure what point you are trying to make, but it isn't a good one
RE: while  
BigBlue7 : 4/25/2024 8:35 am : link
In comment 16485350 Eric from BBI said:
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I find myself rooting for a QB, I will also be disappointed to miss out on the WR.


Nabers and MHJ would have been the top rated prospects in the 2022 and 2023 drafts according to many draft gurus.

Landing one of those guys would be absolutely incredible, and the fact that there is still a loud contingent on here that doesn't want an elite WR absolutely boggles my mind.
So he only mentions 3 options  
ZogZerg : 4/25/2024 8:35 am : link
For his final pick.
LOL
He probably just finished reading Schragers final mock and got confused, so he joined the masses with the WR v
also If mock drafts are close to accurate  
SteelGiant : 4/25/2024 8:36 am : link
I really do not like pick 47, unless someone unexpected falls

I would prefer to trade down that pick if Possible, there a lot of players I like below their estimates in this location.
I would love this or Odunze  
BlueHurricane : 4/25/2024 8:43 am : link
If it meant somehow landing Penix.

I think Penix is the best QB in this draft.
He's playing it smart, not desperate  
UberAlias : 4/25/2024 8:50 am : link
Every plan has to have it's contingencies, and Nabers is a pretty damn good one.
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jvm52106 : 4/25/2024 8:51 am : link
In comment 16485356 BigBlue7 said:
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..



Nabers is an ELITE prospect at a PREMIUM position

At the time, Barkley was considered an ELITE prospect, but at the most devalued position in the NFL.

There were more questions about how Barkley's game translated to the NFL than Nabers.

Not sure what point you are trying to make, but it isn't a good one



Really, some of you have zero idea how teams are built.. Let me know the superstar WR's without QB's....
Um  
UberAlias : 4/25/2024 8:55 am : link
Justin Jefferson...
Huhh  
Semipro Lineman : 4/25/2024 8:55 am : link
The Bears DJ Moore
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UConn4523 : 4/25/2024 8:58 am : link
In comment 16485397 jvm52106 said:
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..



Nabers is an ELITE prospect at a PREMIUM position

At the time, Barkley was considered an ELITE prospect, but at the most devalued position in the NFL.

There were more questions about how Barkley's game translated to the NFL than Nabers.

Not sure what point you are trying to make, but it isn't a good one




Really, some of you have zero idea how teams are built.. Let me know the superstar WR's without QB's....


So no QB at 6 means the draft is over, no QBs available afterward?

And let’s say that’s the case, does that also mean we never take a QB ever again and it’s just DeVito throwing to Nabers for the next 5 years?
UM  
Semipro Lineman : 4/25/2024 8:58 am : link
Raiders Mike Evans
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eugibs : 4/25/2024 9:00 am : link
In comment 16485397 jvm52106 said:
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..



Nabers is an ELITE prospect at a PREMIUM position

At the time, Barkley was considered an ELITE prospect, but at the most devalued position in the NFL.

There were more questions about how Barkley's game translated to the NFL than Nabers.

Not sure what point you are trying to make, but it isn't a good one




Really, some of you have zero idea how teams are built.. Let me know the superstar WR's without QB's....


Perhaps someone who does understand how teams are built can educate. Is it better to have a superstar WR without a quarterback or to have a forced pick bust qb and no superstar WR?

No one hated the Barkley pick more than I did. Taking one of the three superstar wide receivers at 6 tonight is nothing like the Barkley pick. The reasons are: (1) the second pick is astronomically more valuable than the the 6th pick so the giants actually spent far far more capital on Barkley than the Giants would spend on a WR tonight; and (2) wide receivers are far more impactful on the modern game than running backs and, statistically, are far less likely to get hurt and far more likely to have longer careers.
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BigBlue7 : 4/25/2024 9:05 am : link
In comment 16485397 jvm52106 said:
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..



Nabers is an ELITE prospect at a PREMIUM position

At the time, Barkley was considered an ELITE prospect, but at the most devalued position in the NFL.

There were more questions about how Barkley's game translated to the NFL than Nabers.

Not sure what point you are trying to make, but it isn't a good one




Really, some of you have zero idea how teams are built.. Let me know the superstar WR's without QB's....


Good call. We would be in a much better place if we had drafted Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen over Barkley.

Think of it this way  
eugibs : 4/25/2024 9:09 am : link
If the price of moving up to the second pick from the sixth pick is three first round draft picks and nabers/mhj/odunze are roughly the same caliber prospect that Barkley was (I think they are better). What the giants did in 2018 was essentially forego three future first round draft picks (by trading back to 6) to draft Barkley at 2 and tonight they are drafting a similar prospect (I think better) and not giving up anything.
If they can't get a QB then they didn't try very hard  
Jerry in_DC : 4/25/2024 9:10 am : link
Whoever is taken at 3 might be hard to get. The others are not. We can get whoever falls out of Maye/JJ. We can get Penix, if Mara would approve, which is questionable. These are good prospects that we can get.
RE: If they can't get a QB then they didn't try very hard  
BigBlue7 : 4/25/2024 9:12 am : link
In comment 16485452 Jerry in_DC said:
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Whoever is taken at 3 might be hard to get. The others are not. We can get whoever falls out of Maye/JJ. We can get Penix, if Mara would approve, which is questionable. These are good prospects that we can get.


"we didnt try very hard to get a QB"

Didn't know you were in the war room. These type of comments are Elite Level Stupid
RE: If they can't get a QB then they didn't try very hard  
GFAN52 : 4/25/2024 9:13 am : link
In comment 16485452 Jerry in_DC said:
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Whoever is taken at 3 might be hard to get. The others are not. We can get whoever falls out of Maye/JJ. We can get Penix, if Mara would approve, which is questionable. These are good prospects that we can get.


Are we looking to draft a "good" prospect or a franchise prospect. That's what Schoen must determine with his statement they are only 15 1st rd grade prospects on their draft board.
Thankfully the team doesn't look at it like--  
UberAlias : 4/25/2024 9:16 am : link
We will take any QB and any price. It's funny that so many actually look at it that way.
RE: Think of it this way  
shyster : 4/25/2024 9:17 am : link
In comment 16485451 eugibs said:
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What the giants did in 2018 was essentially forego three future first round draft picks (by trading back to 6) to draft Barkley at 2


Jets traded from 3 to 6 in that draft and got 6 and two 2nds. Giants could have gotten that deal by being proactive but not clear they could have done any better. And certainly not three firsts.

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shyster : 4/25/2024 9:18 am : link
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What the giants did in 2018 was essentially forego three future first round draft picks (by trading back to 6) to draft Barkley at 2



Jets traded from 3 to 6 in that draft and got 6 and two 2nds. Giants could have gotten that deal by being proactive but not clear they could have done any better. And certainly not three firsts.



Colts traded with the Jets from 3 to 6, of course.
RE: I will hate this pick  
KDavies : 4/25/2024 9:19 am : link
In comment 16485309 jvm52106 said:
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..


where does this asinine position come from that WR is of little importance as RB in the modern game?
RE: RE: Think of it this way  
eugibs : 4/25/2024 9:21 am : link
In comment 16485470 shyster said:
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What the giants did in 2018 was essentially forego three future first round draft picks (by trading back to 6) to draft Barkley at 2



Jets traded from 3 to 6 in that draft and got 6 and two 2nds. Giants could have gotten that deal by being proactive but not clear they could have done any better. And certainly not three firsts.


I am reading that teams at the top this year want 3 firsts. But even if the haul is what you mention above, you have to add that to what the giants spent on Barkley. A 1 and two 2nds is still a lot. The point is the giants spent a lot more of potential value taking Barkley at 2 then they would take a wideout at 6 tonight.
RE: RE: I will hate this pick  
Scooter185 : 4/25/2024 9:22 am : link
In comment 16485475 KDavies said:
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..



where does this asinine position come from that WR is of little importance as RB in the modern game?
it's of little importance without a QB in place.
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BigTymer : 4/25/2024 9:25 am : link
In comment 16485397 jvm52106 said:
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Really, some of you have zero idea how teams are built.. Let me know the superstar WR's without QB's....


Um. You do realize rosters are not static and the 2024 roster will not be the 2025 roster and the 2026 roster will not be the 2025 roster. There does not have to be rigid, defined sequence of when you get your WR vs. your QB especially when the draft is concerned and you don't control (a) when you pick in a given year and (b) talent available by position based on pick/year.

If we draft a WR #1 now its not like we can't address QB "ever" and there is thing called FA in addition to the draft.
Some language adjustments  
Daniel in MI : 4/25/2024 9:42 am : link
The Giants won’t “fail” to move up, they’ll decide the price is too high if they don’t choose to move up. Thats not a failure, it’s an assessment of value and a BATNA.
RE: Some language adjustments  
GFAN52 : 4/25/2024 9:49 am : link
In comment 16485545 Daniel in MI said:
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The Giants won’t “fail” to move up, they’ll decide the price is too high if they don’t choose to move up. Thats not a failure, it’s an assessment of value and a BATNA.


That's a good distinction to make. Even I sometimes think of it as failure.
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SirLoinOfBeef : 4/25/2024 9:52 am : link
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..



Nabers is an ELITE prospect at a PREMIUM position

At the time, Barkley was considered an ELITE prospect, but at the most devalued position in the NFL.

There were more questions about how Barkley's game translated to the NFL than Nabers.

Not sure what point you are trying to make, but it isn't a good one




Really, some of you have zero idea how teams are built.. Let me know the superstar WR's without QB's....



Good call. We would be in a much better place if we had drafted Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen over Barkley.


Were we "Better"?...

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BigBlue7 : 4/25/2024 10:19 am : link
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..



Nabers is an ELITE prospect at a PREMIUM position

At the time, Barkley was considered an ELITE prospect, but at the most devalued position in the NFL.

There were more questions about how Barkley's game translated to the NFL than Nabers.

Not sure what point you are trying to make, but it isn't a good one




Really, some of you have zero idea how teams are built.. Let me know the superstar WR's without QB's....



Good call. We would be in a much better place if we had drafted Sam Darnold or Josh Rosen over Barkley.




Were we "Better"?...


No not at all - my point is nobody on here knows shit
RE: Some language adjustments  
BigBlue7 : 4/25/2024 10:22 am : link
In comment 16485545 Daniel in MI said:
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The Giants won’t “fail” to move up, they’ll decide the price is too high if they don’t choose to move up. Thats not a failure, it’s an assessment of value and a BATNA.


Don't bring logic and reason into this!

In the eyes of some BBIers

Not doing exactly what a specific BBIer wants = Failure
RE: I will hate this pick  
FStubbs : 4/25/2024 10:30 am : link
In comment 16485309 jvm52106 said:
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..


Nope. A big reason why Barkley was a mistake was the short shelf life of a RB. Not the case for a WR.
RE: Some language adjustments  
Essex : 4/25/2024 10:43 am : link
In comment 16485545 Daniel in MI said:
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The Giants won’t “fail” to move up, they’ll decide the price is too high if they don’t choose to move up. Thats not a failure, it’s an assessment of value and a BATNA.

Totally disagree with one premise of this argument. NE might not have a price. If they judge either Maye or JJM as a franchise QB what will you be able to give them that would back them off. Conversely, if the Giants think Maye or JJM is a franchise QB and NE does not, there is no price too high and NE would be foolish to make one unreasonably high. So, either NE won't be moved or the Giants were unable to move them. There is no too high a price in any of those outcomes.
RE: RE: I will hate this pick  
Amtoft : 4/25/2024 12:51 pm : link
In comment 16485315 Swizzle said:
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Aa it will be Barkley part 2..



The funny thing about the draft is that no one really knows how good these guys will be. A guy picked in the 4th round could potential outperform a guy we select in the 1st. But Joe Blow here on BBI knows all. Don't get me started on resident expert Anakim.


Damn man... what did he kiss your wife or something? Kick your dog? hahaha
Was talking to a young man  
bc4life : 4/25/2024 1:30 pm : link
who is currently playing D1 ball, he's a WR. I asked him about the top 3 and he said he favored Harrison by a lot. The thing that he told me he was most impressed with was Harrison's patience. He said he was extremely patient, disciplined and did not rush his routes. FWIW.
For a team that desperately needs a QB;  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/25/2024 1:33 pm : link
I'd be extremely disappointed. Nabers is great, but you still need a QB.
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