Ralph V Pouring Cold Water On A Trade Up

are going to be riveting. Buckle up!

We have other options.

Why more likely 3 weeks ago than now??

But it could be last minute shuffling for the best deal. However NYG ownership is known not to like getting in bidding wars and therefore they usually get outbid.

When was the late time he broke Giants news? Maybe I'm wrong, but it feels like it's been years since he's had any NYG scoops.

A fair tradeup cost to 4 or us using leverage of having a deal in place to get to 4 enables us to get pick 3 for a much more reasonable cost.

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Inclined to believe Rico than Ralph V

is so transparent.

And we've got 7.5 hours more of this.

Has he projected the pick yet?

In comment 16486082 jvm52106 said:

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Why more likely 3 weeks ago than now??

NE perhaps received a higher offer from the Vikings, forcing the Giants to increase their offer.

maye will be a giant.

this is all BS. tonight, i fully expect maye to be a NYG

But if we sit home take Nabers, use our 47 and 70, this roster will be significantly better.

Your move New England.

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is so transparent. And we've got 7.5 hours more of this.

Transparent in that its coming out of the Giants to get the price down?

In comment 16486092 Eric from BBI said:

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is so transparent. And we've got 7.5 hours more of this.

credit where it's due, this one is less transparent than the longer-winded version that included the phrase "build around Daniel Jones"!

The reasoning or view that it was more likely 3 weeks ago seems like bullshit.. The talk about Giants trading up to 3 was pretty quiet 3 weeks ago..

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Patriots want McCarthy + free draft picks.

Giants and Vikings want Maye. (We don't know if the Giants are OK or not with McCarthy).

McCarthy tells media Giants showing the most interest and the feeling sounds mutual.

What the Patriots want is the Giants to give them a bunch of free stuff. I doubt they have any intention of moving down with the Vikings.

In comment 16486097 UberAlias said:

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But if we sit home take Nabers, use our 47 and 70, this roster will be significantly better.

We hear this every year, and every year it doesn't seem to pay off. Just look at the last 12 seasons.

Ralph, who I like, is no exception.

but no way am I giving the Patriots my #1 pick in 2025 at this point.

No thanks. Hang up the phone.

I meant to type that the Giants' beats are not good at getting info.

I would not trade at all w/ the Pats. They HAVE to take a QB. They will take the one they want @ 3. Then things get interesting.

In comment 16486082 jvm52106 said:

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Why more likely 3 weeks ago than now??

More homework done on JJM? Everyone knowing NE covets JJM? It makes sense.

In comment 16486117 Eric from BBI said:

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but no way am I giving the Patriots my #1 pick in 2025 at this point. No thanks. Hang up the phone.

I'm glad we agree. Lol

In comment 16486100 KennyHill48 said:

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In comment 16486092 Eric from BBI said: Quote: is so transparent. And we've got 7.5 hours more of this. Transparent in that its coming out of the Giants to get the price down?

For whatever reason, the Giants and Pats are negotiating through the press right now.

In comment 16486118 Optimus-NY said:

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I meant to type that the Giants' beats are not good at getting info.

True. If they were I wouldn't have to come on BBI on draft day.

In comment 16486110 Eric from BBI said:

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Patriots want McCarthy + free draft picks. Giants and Vikings want Maye. (We don't know if the Giants are OK or not with McCarthy). McCarthy tells media Giants showing the most interest and the feeling sounds mutual. What the Patriots want is the Giants to give them a bunch of free stuff. I doubt they have any intention of moving down with the Vikings.

See, I have been saying this for a bit. The idea the Vikings have more ammunition is not true. Interesting the Giants gave a pretty candid article the other day saying they had just 15 first round grades this year. Think about that for a second. The Vikings have picks 11 and 23 this year.. if a team says they have folks with 15 first rd grades you can assume other teams are in that same ballpark.. So hey Pats if you trade to 11 and 23 you are basically dropping back for the 11th guy and a 2nd round value.. Makes me think we were being so "honest" for the Pats and Cards ears as much as for the general public...

Said it previously - but I don't think there are going to be any trades leading up to the Giants pick.

In comment 16486133 Eric from BBI said:

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For whatever reason, the Giants and Pats are negotiating through the press right now.

I'd guess it's because the owners, namely Kraft, are involved and they get worked up over the press.

On a couple of isolated occasions.

But I think he has this 100% nailed.

what's changed is that it appears Kraft loves McCarthy.

Now if they could live with Penix, this changes things. But my gut - which may be wrong - says it is McCarthy.

if the negotiations completely fall apart with the Pats, that's not a bad thing. They take McCarthy. Maye is there at #4.

In comment 16486133 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 16486100 KennyHill48 said: Quote: In comment 16486092 Eric from BBI said: Quote: is so transparent. And we've got 7.5 hours more of this. Transparent in that its coming out of the Giants to get the price down? For whatever reason, the Giants and Pats are negotiating through the press right now.

With all these reports of the NE/Giants potential deal parameters and progress it does feel that way.

In comment 16486160 Eric from BBI said:

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if the negotiations completely fall apart with the Pats, that's not a bad thing. They take McCarthy. Maye is there at #4.

I'm not giving away the #1 pick in 2025. There is no need to at this point.

But I think it gets done...

In comment 16486117 Eric from BBI said:

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but no way am I giving the Patriots my #1 pick in 2025 at this point. No thanks. Hang up the phone.

Are you saying you wouldn't trade up to 3 or you think they could get it done without it? Personally I don't see any way the Giants get up there without including their '25 1st.

why give up your 2025 #1 pick when you can get your player at #4 without the #1 pick?

here is a question... are we sure Maye > McCarthy + 2025 #1?

I'm not.

And if McCarthy and keep the #1 pick is my fallback, that's not terrible at all (and you want the Pats to think that way too).

In comment 16486173 Eric from BBI said:

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here is a question... are we sure Maye > McCarthy + 2025 #1? I'm not. And if McCarthy and keep the #1 pick is my fallback, that's not terrible at all (and you want the Pats to think that way too).

Am I sure? No. But I feel better about Maye than I do McCarthy and I like McCarthy. I just think Maye has top 5-7 QB upside and I'm willing to gamble our 1st next year to let Daboll/Kafka work on trying to get him there. I don't see the same ceiling with JJ. Even his biggest supporters like Sy see his upside as developing into a player like Kirk Cousins.

In comment 16486173 Eric from BBI said:

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here is a question... are we sure Maye > McCarthy + 2025 #1? I'm not. And if McCarthy and keep the #1 pick is my fallback, that's not terrible at all (and you want the Pats to think that way too).

Was Eli plus a 1st and whatever else better than Ben Roethlisburger plus a 2nd and whatever (supposedly to offer to move down to 7 from 4) 20 years ago?

These are great questions....

If the Patriots want McCarthy, they are going to take him.

That and #6 are massive chips. Given the amount of uncertainty with projecting QBs, I'd much rather keep the pick and draft the guy who is available

if the Patriots want Maye, they will take him.

quite buy that the Pats have JJM over Maye. Maybe it's close enough that for a haul they'd move down while still securing JJ but until I see them take JJ at 3, I remain skeptical

In comment 16486179 Strahan91 said:

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In comment 16486173 Eric from BBI said: Quote: here is a question... are we sure Maye > McCarthy + 2025 #1? I'm not. And if McCarthy and keep the #1 pick is my fallback, that's not terrible at all (and you want the Pats to think that way too). Am I sure? No. But I feel better about Maye than I do McCarthy and I like McCarthy. I just think Maye has top 5-7 QB upside and I'm willing to gamble our 1st next year to let Daboll/Kafka work on trying to get him there. I don't see the same ceiling with JJ. Even his biggest supporters like Sy see his upside as developing into a player like Kirk Cousins.

Sy said JJM's ceiling player comparison was Joe Burrow actually. JJM does have elite qb upside, just different than Maye. That 2025 1st could potentially get us a better WR prospect than MHJ or Nabers or Odunze in McMillan.

In comment 16486173 Eric from BBI said:

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here is a question... are we sure Maye > McCarthy + 2025 #1? I'm not. And if McCarthy and keep the #1 pick is my fallback, that's not terrible at all (and you want the Pats to think that way too).

Exactly. If we give up 2025 #1 for Maye, he better be head and shoulders better than McCarthy.

I mean Really Liked him, we would not be hearing all this stuff. We're not hearing it coming from Washington. They still might take Maye, but its pretty clear that this is not a full bloom love situation

In comment 16486188 BleedBlue46 said:

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In comment 16486179 Strahan91 said: Quote: In comment 16486173 Eric from BBI said: Quote: here is a question... are we sure Maye > McCarthy + 2025 #1? I'm not. And if McCarthy and keep the #1 pick is my fallback, that's not terrible at all (and you want the Pats to think that way too). Am I sure? No. But I feel better about Maye than I do McCarthy and I like McCarthy. I just think Maye has top 5-7 QB upside and I'm willing to gamble our 1st next year to let Daboll/Kafka work on trying to get him there. I don't see the same ceiling with JJ. Even his biggest supporters like Sy see his upside as developing into a player like Kirk Cousins. Sy said JJM's ceiling player comparison was Joe Burrow actually. JJM does have elite qb upside, just different than Maye. That 2025 1st could potentially get us a better WR prospect than MHJ or Nabers or Odunze in McMillan.

Can you point to where he said this? I specifically asked this question on his QB rankings thread and he replied saying something like "think a more clutch version of Kirk Cousins"