I'm viewing this from a fan perspective too. It's why I say verify first.
There is a real downside to sharing info early... if it's wrong, you guys will take it out on me! Also, Schoen already said they are trying to find leaks.
I keep checking other sources. No word.
F that, share away Erik. I'll never got on someone for being wrong, sources can be wrong/misinformed (especially if the team is trying to snuff out leaks) and things are always fluid. Appreciate you sharing what you can.
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As stated previously, Giants are all in on Drake Maye. They're attempting to move up to the third pick to draft their next franchise QB. Hopefully, the Daniel Jones era ends tonight. #NYGiants #NFLDraft
and don't forget the added expenses of moving Jones. Jones starting with Maye on the bench is a pipe dream.
Most people say may needs to sit a year...he needs to work on his football and clean up stuff and to not throw him in a position to need to win games right now.
So he would be holding a clipboard.
I'd say more like half a year unless Lock lights it up. I presume they would cut DJ once he can pass a physical to eliminate the concern of injury guarantee and let him find a new spot asap.
Yeah my guess is Lock would start just because of the injury settlement and Giants couldn't risk that because they would need cap space to make up for whatever lack of picks they would have after the trade.
Just sayin' Maye isn't starting for a while this year...maybe at the end of the season but Daboll/Kafka will need to make sure he is ready and clean stuff up.
But he's 21 so we have time...its not like have a 24 year old sitting.
I'm viewing this from a fan perspective too. It's why I say verify first.
There is a real downside to sharing info early... if it's wrong, you guys will take it out on me! Also, Schoen already said they are trying to find leaks.
I keep checking other sources. No word.
F that, share away Erik. I'll never got on someone for being wrong, sources can be wrong/misinformed (especially if the team is trying to snuff out leaks) and things are always fluid. Appreciate you sharing what you can.
I believe it was Rico that spilled the beans - you can defer to Rico if things break down between now and the draft - which it could.
Potentially dumb question but why? If he's a franchise guy, then, that price is in line with what it would cost to get up there to take him.
Do you not think Maye is a franchise guy?
It is an overpay for a QB that projects to the same (or worse) level of McCarthy
You may be right. But clearly the NYG feels there is a gap between Maye and McCarthy if they're willing to make the move to 3 to ensure Maye rather than the cheaper move of going to 4 or 5 to get McCarthy.
Just gotta hope this isn't one of those full bloom love things and it works out this time.
Jets moved from #6 to #3 in trade with the Colts. It cost the Jets 3 second-round picks.
"The team announced Saturday it acquired the No. 3 overall pick of the draft in a trade with the Indianapolis Colts. The Jets are sending their sixth, 37th and 49th overall selections in this year's draft and their second-rounder in 2019 to Indianapolis."
The Colts weren't in the QB market in 2018. Very different.
If AZ is happy with either Nabers or MHJ as reported and if NE really wants JJM, then this could be done for pick 6, 70, 107 and 2025 2nd. AZ gets 2025 2nd, picks 107 and 6 (Nabers or MHJ), NE gets picks 70 and JJM at 4, NYG get Maye at 3.
I don't agree personally I think they get JJM at 4 using the negotiation Schoen did to have a deal in place with AZ for JJM at 4. Kraft isn't leaving rd1 without JJM. Just my 2 cents.
I think the NFL is headed more toward a WWF direction... that some things are orchestrated and released at their own time. It would not surprise me if . people are sitting on this.
It seems like the NFL has put an embargo on the teams and their reporters from spilling any beans. It ruins the drama of the TV show.
Remember when the first pick was announced a week before?
Potentially dumb question but why? If he's a franchise guy, then, that price is in line with what it would cost to get up there to take him.
Do you not think Maye is a franchise guy?
It is an overpay for a QB that projects to the same (or worse) level of McCarthy
You may be right. But clearly the NYG feels there is a gap between Maye and McCarthy if they're willing to make the move to 3 to ensure Maye rather than the cheaper move of going to 4 or 5 to get McCarthy.
Just gotta hope this isn't one of those full bloom love things and it works out this time.
While I understand the overall perspective that Maye and JJM could be at the same level of QB.
The question really is
Daboll/Maye = Daboll/JJM
I dont think that is true considering the difference of the players skill sets. I like both players for different reasons. I do think Maye fits better with what Daboll wants to do with his offense.
RE: What I don't understand the need for Schoen to move up to 3
If he knows NE is not trading the pick and is taking JJM? Does he want to completely box out Minn?
Yes, this is the only way to box out Minn. I presume the deal Schoen had in place with AZ was if JJM was there, not Maye and AZ (and likely NE and NYG) knows Minnesota wouldn't be trading for JJM at 4. Thus, NE could have the same deal in place with AZ for JJM at 4.
F that, share away Erik. I'll never got on someone for being wrong, sources can be wrong/misinformed (especially if the team is trying to snuff out leaks) and things are always fluid. Appreciate you sharing what you can.
Apologies on the typo in your name. I work with an Erik for work...and clearly I'm not working too hard at the moment...
Potentially dumb question but why? If he's a franchise guy, then, that price is in line with what it would cost to get up there to take him.
Do you not think Maye is a franchise guy?
It is an overpay for a QB that projects to the same (or worse) level of McCarthy
You may be right. But clearly the NYG feels there is a gap between Maye and McCarthy if they're willing to make the move to 3 to ensure Maye rather than the cheaper move of going to 4 or 5 to get McCarthy.
Just gotta hope this isn't one of those full bloom love things and it works out this time.
While I understand the overall perspective that Maye and JJM could be at the same level of QB.
The question really is
Daboll/Maye = Daboll/JJM
I dont think that is true considering the difference of the players skill sets. I like both players for different reasons. I do think Maye fits better with what Daboll wants to do with his offense.
Currently I agree. Due to JJM's biggest weakness being his touch and accuracy on intermediate to deep throws which I think he can and will improve. Nevertheless, that weakness of JJM's is a strength of Maye's. Daboll's ideal offense is predicated on these types of throws.
RE: RE: @Eric - something I just noticed on NFL Network
I think the NFL is headed more toward a WWF direction... that some things are orchestrated and released at their own time. It would not surprise me if . people are sitting on this.
If you saw some of Schrager's comments with Art Stapleton, he pretty much confirmed that if they have a late scoop, sometimes they'll be subtly encouraged not share it immediately.
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As stated previously, Giants are all in on Drake Maye. They're attempting to move up to the third pick to draft their next franchise QB. Hopefully, the Daniel Jones era ends tonight. #NYGiants #NFLDraft
Potentially dumb question but why? If he's a franchise guy, then, that price is in line with what it would cost to get up there to take him.
Do you not think Maye is a franchise guy?
It is an overpay for a QB that projects to the same (or worse) level of McCarthy
You may be right. But clearly the NYG feels there is a gap between Maye and McCarthy if they're willing to make the move to 3 to ensure Maye rather than the cheaper move of going to 4 or 5 to get McCarthy.
Just gotta hope this isn't one of those full bloom love things and it works out this time.
While I understand the overall perspective that Maye and JJM could be at the same level of QB.
The question really is
Daboll/Maye = Daboll/JJM
I dont think that is true considering the difference of the players skill sets. I like both players for different reasons. I do think Maye fits better with what Daboll wants to do with his offense.
If they did this, what a colossal fuck up they did with Jones. Less than a year after signing him to $160M contract with $92M guaranteed they do a complete 180 and barf up a ton of draft capital and maybe players to get a new QB.
He got hurt behind a pathetic OLine, throwing to forgettable skill players. Let it go. It's time to move on, and Schoen & Daboll need to put a quality product around the QB.
Cutting Daniel Jones with a post-June 1 designation?
It has to be about Jones - hope they found a trading partner for him - there are still many QB hungry teams left. It will be Lock starting with Maye on the bench.
everyone again... don't assume anything is true until it is verified.
We have had asshat reports for decades. We know who has good batting averages and who does not. But things change.
Honestly, as a fan, I don't believe anything until I see it confirmed.
Right now, I am operating under the assumption that nothing is done.
You guys know my history. I don't make click bait.
Eric -
Perhaps you can answer this, perhaps you can't. Have you had anyone OTHER than Rico come to you saying that the trade for 3 is done? Or is it a single insider source for the mean time?
Granted, I'd like to trust Rico and his source(s). But teams leak out bad info around now.
Trying not to get my hopes up and then get crushed.
If they did this, what a colossal fuck up they did with Jones. Less than a year after signing him to $160M contract with $92M guaranteed they do a complete 180 and barf up a ton of draft capital and maybe players to get a new QB.
What's the worse colossal fuck up? Admitting a mistake and moving on or keep digging a hole hoping to prove you are right?
With some people, there's no winning no matter what the team does.
I'm viewing this from a fan perspective too. It's why I say verify first.
There is a real downside to sharing info early... if it's wrong, you guys will take it out on me! Also, Schoen already said they are trying to find leaks.
I keep checking other sources. No word.
F that, share away Erik. I'll never got on someone for being wrong, sources can be wrong/misinformed (especially if the team is trying to snuff out leaks) and things are always fluid. Appreciate you sharing what you can.
Gosh 8pm can't get here soon enough
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As stated previously, Giants are all in on Drake Maye. They're attempting to move up to the third pick to draft their next franchise QB. Hopefully, the Daniel Jones era ends tonight. #NYGiants #NFLDraft
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and a day 2 pick for Maye is a mistake
and don't forget the added expenses of moving Jones. Jones starting with Maye on the bench is a pipe dream.
Most people say may needs to sit a year...he needs to work on his football and clean up stuff and to not throw him in a position to need to win games right now.
So he would be holding a clipboard.
I'd say more like half a year unless Lock lights it up. I presume they would cut DJ once he can pass a physical to eliminate the concern of injury guarantee and let him find a new spot asap.
Yeah my guess is Lock would start just because of the injury settlement and Giants couldn't risk that because they would need cap space to make up for whatever lack of picks they would have after the trade.
Just sayin' Maye isn't starting for a while this year...maybe at the end of the season but Daboll/Kafka will need to make sure he is ready and clean stuff up.
But he's 21 so we have time...its not like have a 24 year old sitting.
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I asked tons of questions.
I'm viewing this from a fan perspective too. It's why I say verify first.
There is a real downside to sharing info early... if it's wrong, you guys will take it out on me! Also, Schoen already said they are trying to find leaks.
I keep checking other sources. No word.
F that, share away Erik. I'll never got on someone for being wrong, sources can be wrong/misinformed (especially if the team is trying to snuff out leaks) and things are always fluid. Appreciate you sharing what you can.
I believe it was Rico that spilled the beans - you can defer to Rico if things break down between now and the draft - which it could.
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and a day 2 pick for Maye is a mistake
Potentially dumb question but why? If he's a franchise guy, then, that price is in line with what it would cost to get up there to take him.
Do you not think Maye is a franchise guy?
It is an overpay for a QB that projects to the same (or worse) level of McCarthy
You may be right. But clearly the NYG feels there is a gap between Maye and McCarthy if they're willing to make the move to 3 to ensure Maye rather than the cheaper move of going to 4 or 5 to get McCarthy.
Just gotta hope this isn't one of those full bloom love things and it works out this time.
Lance Zierling has NE selecting Alt at 6 in his mock. (Zierling has been pretty good with his mocks).
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Jets moved from #6 to #3 in trade with the Colts. It cost the Jets 3 second-round picks.
"The team announced Saturday it acquired the No. 3 overall pick of the draft in a trade with the Indianapolis Colts. The Jets are sending their sixth, 37th and 49th overall selections in this year's draft and their second-rounder in 2019 to Indianapolis."
The Colts weren't in the QB market in 2018. Very different.
If AZ is happy with either Nabers or MHJ as reported and if NE really wants JJM, then this could be done for pick 6, 70, 107 and 2025 2nd. AZ gets 2025 2nd, picks 107 and 6 (Nabers or MHJ), NE gets picks 70 and JJM at 4, NYG get Maye at 3.
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I think it means they are passing on a round 1 QB
Lance Zierling has NE selecting Alt at 6 in his mock. (Zierling has been pretty good with his mocks).
Yes I would see Alt or one of the WRs
my heart can't take it
I love and hate you rn Eric
I don't agree personally I think they get JJM at 4 using the negotiation Schoen did to have a deal in place with AZ for JJM at 4. Kraft isn't leaving rd1 without JJM. Just my 2 cents.
🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿.
Cutting Daniel Jones with a post-June 1 designation?
I'm sitting at my desk at work constantly hitting refresh and watching the clock. I have a little more than an hour and a half until I can leave. Ugh.
Get the Ouija board out and let's get the truth out of you, one way or another, boss.
I think the NFL is headed more toward a WWF direction... that some things are orchestrated and released at their own time. It would not surprise me if . people are sitting on this.
It seems like the NFL has put an embargo on the teams and their reporters from spilling any beans. It ruins the drama of the TV show.
Remember when the first pick was announced a week before?
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I think it means they are passing on a round 1 QB
Lance Zierling has NE selecting Alt at 6 in his mock. (Zierling has been pretty good with his mocks).
Yes I would see Alt or one of the WRs
Taking it a step further... Perhaps the Giants wouldn't have to pay the QB tax if NE is not going QB. So they don't give up 2025 1st
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and a day 2 pick for Maye is a mistake
Potentially dumb question but why? If he's a franchise guy, then, that price is in line with what it would cost to get up there to take him.
Do you not think Maye is a franchise guy?
It is an overpay for a QB that projects to the same (or worse) level of McCarthy
You may be right. But clearly the NYG feels there is a gap between Maye and McCarthy if they're willing to make the move to 3 to ensure Maye rather than the cheaper move of going to 4 or 5 to get McCarthy.
Just gotta hope this isn't one of those full bloom love things and it works out this time.
While I understand the overall perspective that Maye and JJM could be at the same level of QB.
The question really is
Daboll/Maye = Daboll/JJM
I dont think that is true considering the difference of the players skill sets. I like both players for different reasons. I do think Maye fits better with what Daboll wants to do with his offense.
Yes, this is the only way to box out Minn. I presume the deal Schoen had in place with AZ was if JJM was there, not Maye and AZ (and likely NE and NYG) knows Minnesota wouldn't be trading for JJM at 4. Thus, NE could have the same deal in place with AZ for JJM at 4.
Do you have ANY IDEA how much the "F5" key HATES my guts right now, between this thread and Rickey?
F that, share away Erik. I'll never got on someone for being wrong, sources can be wrong/misinformed (especially if the team is trying to snuff out leaks) and things are always fluid. Appreciate you sharing what you can.
Apologies on the typo in your name. I work with an Erik for work...and clearly I'm not working too hard at the moment...
I think its a contingency plan about which other QB we'll try to get if this trade goes sideways and/or we are locked out of the top 4 QBs.
Which brand of lotion should we get for later?
Is something going on with Herbert-McCarthy-Pats-Chargers?
We have had asshat reports for decades. We know who has good batting averages and who does not. But things change.
Honestly, as a fan, I don't believe anything until I see it confirmed.
Right now, I am operating under the assumption that nothing is done.
You guys know my history. I don't make click bait.
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and a day 2 pick for Maye is a mistake
Potentially dumb question but why? If he's a franchise guy, then, that price is in line with what it would cost to get up there to take him.
Do you not think Maye is a franchise guy?
It is an overpay for a QB that projects to the same (or worse) level of McCarthy
You may be right. But clearly the NYG feels there is a gap between Maye and McCarthy if they're willing to make the move to 3 to ensure Maye rather than the cheaper move of going to 4 or 5 to get McCarthy.
Just gotta hope this isn't one of those full bloom love things and it works out this time.
While I understand the overall perspective that Maye and JJM could be at the same level of QB.
The question really is
Daboll/Maye = Daboll/JJM
I dont think that is true considering the difference of the players skill sets. I like both players for different reasons. I do think Maye fits better with what Daboll wants to do with his offense.
Currently I agree. Due to JJM's biggest weakness being his touch and accuracy on intermediate to deep throws which I think he can and will improve. Nevertheless, that weakness of JJM's is a strength of Maye's. Daboll's ideal offense is predicated on these types of throws.
I think the NFL is headed more toward a WWF direction... that some things are orchestrated and released at their own time. It would not surprise me if . people are sitting on this.
If you saw some of Schrager's comments with Art Stapleton, he pretty much confirmed that if they have a late scoop, sometimes they'll be subtly encouraged not share it immediately.
How soon is late?
Who knows?
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As stated previously, Giants are all in on Drake Maye. They're attempting to move up to the third pick to draft their next franchise QB. Hopefully, the Daniel Jones era ends tonight. #NYGiants #NFLDraft
We have had asshat reports for decades. We know who has good batting averages and who does not. But things change.
Honestly, as a fan, I don't believe anything until I see it confirmed.
Right now, I am operating under the assumption that nothing is done.
You guys know my history. I don't make click bait.
Yep, I agree. Not one national or beat has this. We've got about 5.5 hours until the Pats are on the clock.
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and a day 2 pick for Maye is a mistake
Potentially dumb question but why? If he's a franchise guy, then, that price is in line with what it would cost to get up there to take him.
Do you not think Maye is a franchise guy?
It is an overpay for a QB that projects to the same (or worse) level of McCarthy
You may be right. But clearly the NYG feels there is a gap between Maye and McCarthy if they're willing to make the move to 3 to ensure Maye rather than the cheaper move of going to 4 or 5 to get McCarthy.
Just gotta hope this isn't one of those full bloom love things and it works out this time.
While I understand the overall perspective that Maye and JJM could be at the same level of QB.
The question really is
Daboll/Maye = Daboll/JJM
I dont think that is true considering the difference of the players skill sets. I like both players for different reasons. I do think Maye fits better with what Daboll wants to do with his offense.
Can anyone say to what extent Maye is clutch?
If they did this, what a colossal fuck up they did with Jones. Less than a year after signing him to $160M contract with $92M guaranteed they do a complete 180 and barf up a ton of draft capital and maybe players to get a new QB.
He got hurt behind a pathetic OLine, throwing to forgettable skill players. Let it go. It's time to move on, and Schoen & Daboll need to put a quality product around the QB.
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more stuff on the QB front. Can't share now.
Cutting Daniel Jones with a post-June 1 designation?
It has to be about Jones - hope they found a trading partner for him - there are still many QB hungry teams left. It will be Lock starting with Maye on the bench.
Do the Pats want us to toss in Jones, too?
;)
We have had asshat reports for decades. We know who has good batting averages and who does not. But things change.
Honestly, as a fan, I don't believe anything until I see it confirmed.
Right now, I am operating under the assumption that nothing is done.
You guys know my history. I don't make click bait.
Eric -
Perhaps you can answer this, perhaps you can't. Have you had anyone OTHER than Rico come to you saying that the trade for 3 is done? Or is it a single insider source for the mean time?
Granted, I'd like to trust Rico and his source(s). But teams leak out bad info around now.
Trying not to get my hopes up and then get crushed.
If they did this, what a colossal fuck up they did with Jones. Less than a year after signing him to $160M contract with $92M guaranteed they do a complete 180 and barf up a ton of draft capital and maybe players to get a new QB.
What's the worse colossal fuck up? Admitting a mistake and moving on or keep digging a hole hoping to prove you are right?
With some people, there's no winning no matter what the team does.
Too funny!!!😂
All I can say is the longer this goes without confirmation, the more I doubt this is done.
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more stuff on the QB front. Can't share now.
Cutting Daniel Jones with a post-June 1 designation?
Shitload of dead money, but saves $750,000 on the cap!