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Giants may be on the clock at #3

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 3:29 pm
Two asshat reports now.
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RE: RE: and  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 6:28 pm : link
In comment 16487283 GoDeep13 said:
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I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.

It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.


Fucking Patriots. They could truly transform their entire franchise with this trade if JJM is the dude and they make good picks. Mixed feelings.
RE: RE: and  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 6:29 pm : link
In comment 16487283 GoDeep13 said:
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In comment 16487024 Eric from BBI said:


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I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.

It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.


So Schoen knows 100% they want JJM. He better not get fleeced by paying much of anything more than traditional trade value which would be pick 6, 70, 107 and 2025 2nd.
RE: RE: and  
GFAN52 : 4/25/2024 6:29 pm : link
In comment 16487283 GoDeep13 said:
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In comment 16487024 Eric from BBI said:


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I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.

It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.


Makes sense they would want a guarantee on who they select at 3.
RE: I do not believe it includes a 1st Rd pick  
Amtoft : 4/25/2024 6:30 pm : link
In comment 16487244 George from PA said:
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I heard it is 6, 70, 2025 1st and other picks involved. I am praying I don't have correct info since it isn't from a Giants person.
RE: RE: RE: and  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 6:30 pm : link
In comment 16487297 BleedBlue46 said:
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In comment 16487024 Eric from BBI said:


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I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.

It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.



So Schoen knows 100% they want JJM. He better not get fleeced by paying much of anything more than traditional trade value which would be pick 6, 70, 107 and 2025 2nd.


Throw in a free medium Pepsi and call it a night.
Guys  
LittleBlue : 4/25/2024 6:32 pm : link
The betting markets are 25 steps ahead of whatever insider report you think you’re getting. It remains ~80% chance we’re going WR.
RE: Eric -  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 6:32 pm : link
In comment 16487286 Roto_Wizard said:
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Any updates regarding more sources confirming that the deal is actually done? I know GoDeep and RICO chimed in earlier, just circling back. Haven’t seen anything from the usual other sources, didn’t know if that was as a result of the “other qb info” you had earlier or not.


Interesting new stuff. Not bad.
RE: RE: RE: and  
GFAN52 : 4/25/2024 6:32 pm : link
In comment 16487297 BleedBlue46 said:
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In comment 16487024 Eric from BBI said:


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I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.

It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.



So Schoen knows 100% they want JJM. He better not get fleeced by paying much of anything more than traditional trade value which would be pick 6, 70, 107 and 2025 2nd.


As long as they have conviction to trade up for a specific player I'm not concerned with the cost.
RE: I do not believe it includes a 1st Rd pick  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 6:32 pm : link
In comment 16487244 George from PA said:
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It fucking better not if Schoen is required to guarantee they don't take JJM and he knows the cost to guarantee JJM from pick 6, no reason to overpay. You're basically just paying a bit more than what you'd pay AZ for pick 4 to guarantee Minnesota can't do anything tricky.
RE: Guys  
Amtoft : 4/25/2024 6:33 pm : link
In comment 16487310 LittleBlue said:
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The betting markets are 25 steps ahead of whatever insider report you think you’re getting. It remains ~80% chance we’re going WR.


The betting market is WR at pick 6 or WR for Giants
RE: Guys  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 6:33 pm : link
In comment 16487310 LittleBlue said:
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The betting markets are 25 steps ahead of whatever insider report you think you’re getting. It remains ~80% chance we’re going WR.


LittleBlue, we know you love DJ. It's ok buddy, breath!
RE: Guys  
Strahan91 : 4/25/2024 6:34 pm : link
In comment 16487310 LittleBlue said:
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The betting markets are 25 steps ahead of whatever insider report you think you’re getting. It remains ~80% chance we’re going WR.

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RE: RE: Guys  
LittleBlue : 4/25/2024 6:35 pm : link
In comment 16487314 Amtoft said:
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The betting markets are 25 steps ahead of whatever insider report you think you’re getting. It remains ~80% chance we’re going WR.



The betting market is WR at pick 6 or WR for Giants


WR for giants. Implied at about 80%+ chance.


There’s probably no trade coming.
RE: RE: Guys  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 6:35 pm : link
In comment 16487314 Amtoft said:
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The betting markets are 25 steps ahead of whatever insider report you think you’re getting. It remains ~80% chance we’re going WR.



The betting market is WR at pick 6 or WR for Giants


This guy is soon to be in recovery from the DJ cult and he's thinking betting app odds are indicative of insider info. Those are just Joe shmoes using those apps, the real big sharks are in free penthouses in Vegas placing massive bets.
ZERO chance  
4xchamps : 4/25/2024 6:37 pm : link
The Giants trade up to 3...
In the trade rumors thread from GoDeep13  
GFAN52 : 4/25/2024 6:38 pm : link
That’s what I kept being told
GoDeep13 : 6:33 pm : link : reply
That the Giants and Vikings near the end have been very high on McCarthy. It’s seemingly why things have suddenly gone cold on a Vikings/Pats trade. They both really want JJ. Giants are willing to pivot to Maye.

RE: ZERO chance  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/25/2024 6:38 pm : link
In comment 16487330 4xchamps said:
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The Giants trade up to 3...


Haha.
RE: RE: RE: Guys  
LittleBlue : 4/25/2024 6:39 pm : link
In comment 16487324 BleedBlue46 said:
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The betting markets are 25 steps ahead of whatever insider report you think you’re getting. It remains ~80% chance we’re going WR.



The betting market is WR at pick 6 or WR for Giants



This guy is soon to be in recovery from the DJ cult and he's thinking betting app odds are indicative of insider info. Those are just Joe shmoes using those apps, the real big sharks are in free penthouses in Vegas placing massive bets.


Yes, the big money gamblers reject the free money being offered by a 3:1 payoff for Giants taking a QB. Uh, no.

It’s true bookies don’t “know” anything. They’re not supposed to. The money flows do, and bookies change odds in response. No money is coming in on giants to take a qb right now, a lot of money is coming in on WR.
RE: Guys  
bluefin : 4/25/2024 6:40 pm : link
In comment 16487310 LittleBlue said:
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The betting markets are 25 steps ahead of whatever insider report you think you’re getting. It remains ~80% chance we’re going WR.

I don’t want to believe this, but it’s logical that NFL’s gambling sponsors would have the best intel.
RE: In the trade rumors thread from GoDeep13  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 6:40 pm : link
In comment 16487334 GFAN52 said:
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That’s what I kept being told
GoDeep13 : 6:33 pm : link : reply
That the Giants and Vikings near the end have been very high on McCarthy. It’s seemingly why things have suddenly gone cold on a Vikings/Pats trade. They both really want JJ. Giants are willing to pivot to Maye.


Pivot? Jesus fucking christ, they better not be paying too much if they are saying ok we will take Maye you guys can have the guy we like slightly more. Unless that's Schoen's way to negotiating the cost down with them. They could have them graded nearly equally perhaps. The price of this trade better not be exorbitant.
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DaveInTampa : 4/25/2024 6:41 pm : link
In comment 16487298 GFAN52 said:
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I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.

It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.



Makes sense they would want a guarantee on who they select at 3.


This is what would be weird about 3 team deal. It only works if teams know who each wants, but by doing that NE essentially lets the Giants know they want JJM which means the giants could presumably just make the deal with Arizona and give up less
RE: ZERO chance  
BigBlueShock : 4/25/2024 6:41 pm : link
In comment 16487330 4xchamps said:
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The Giants trade up to 3...

Oh, Well if you say so it must be true
RE: RE: Guys  
BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 6:41 pm : link
In comment 16487342 bluefin said:
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The betting markets are 25 steps ahead of whatever insider report you think you’re getting. It remains ~80% chance we’re going WR.


I don’t want to believe this, but it’s logical that NFL’s gambling sponsors would have the best intel.


Their odds are based on bets. The betting apps get tons of last minute bets from common gamblers, not pros. Thus, the odds shift toward receiver with people betting based on the pundits word.
RE: In the trade rumors thread from GoDeep13  
LittleBlue : 4/25/2024 6:41 pm : link
In comment 16487334 GFAN52 said:
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That’s what I kept being told
GoDeep13 : 6:33 pm : link : reply
That the Giants and Vikings near the end have been very high on McCarthy. It’s seemingly why things have suddenly gone cold on a Vikings/Pats trade. They both really want JJ. Giants are willing to pivot to Maye.


Again, even if this were true (it’s probably not because of betting odds), the odds now highly favor an OT at Pick 5. So if MHJ goes to Arizona, one of those two qbs we like is gonna be there at 6
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BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 6:43 pm : link
In comment 16487345 DaveInTampa said:
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I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.

It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.



Makes sense they would want a guarantee on who they select at 3.



This is what would be weird about 3 team deal. It only works if teams know who each wants, but by doing that NE essentially lets the Giants know they want JJM which means the giants could presumably just make the deal with Arizona and give up less


They basically did just that as NE required them to guarantee we wouldn't take JJM. Schoen better get this done for traditional trade chart value. He has had all the leverage, he knew what NE wanted, he knew they would go JJM at 3 if we didn't trade with them, he had a deal in place to get to 4, just no reason to overpay at all here.
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BleedBlue46 : 4/25/2024 6:45 pm : link
In comment 16487345 DaveInTampa said:
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I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.

It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.



Makes sense they would want a guarantee on who they select at 3.



This is what would be weird about 3 team deal. It only works if teams know who each wants, but by doing that NE essentially lets the Giants know they want JJM which means the giants could presumably just make the deal with Arizona and give up less


The reason Schoen would deal with NE to get to 3 is the eliminate any threat of being outbid for his guy.
RE: RE: In the trade rumors thread from GoDeep13  
GFAN52 : 4/25/2024 6:46 pm : link
In comment 16487351 LittleBlue said:
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That’s what I kept being told
GoDeep13 : 6:33 pm : link : reply
That the Giants and Vikings near the end have been very high on McCarthy. It’s seemingly why things have suddenly gone cold on a Vikings/Pats trade. They both really want JJ. Giants are willing to pivot to Maye.




Again, even if this were true (it’s probably not because of betting odds), the odds now highly favor an OT at Pick 5. So if MHJ goes to Arizona, one of those two qbs we like is gonna be there at 6



In comment 16487353 GoDeep13 said:
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That the Giants and Vikings near the end have been very high on McCarthy. It’s seemingly why things have suddenly gone cold on a Vikings/Pats trade. They both really want JJ. Giants are willing to pivot to Maye.



So if the Patriots stay at 3 for JJ the Giants pivot to AZ for the #4 pick?

Bingo. I like our odds to trade with Arizona. They don’t need a plethora of picks. Monty may take #70 and a 2025 2nd and be just fine with it.
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Mike in NY : 4/25/2024 6:47 pm : link
In comment 16487363 BleedBlue46 said:
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I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.

It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.



Makes sense they would want a guarantee on who they select at 3.



This is what would be weird about 3 team deal. It only works if teams know who each wants, but by doing that NE essentially lets the Giants know they want JJM which means the giants could presumably just make the deal with Arizona and give up less



The reason Schoen would deal with NE to get to 3 is the eliminate any threat of being outbid for his guy.


If his guy isn’t Maye then why do the deal if you have something in place at 4? Force New England to pick JJ at 3.
Darwinian  
The Mike : 4/25/2024 6:48 pm : link
If I knew Maye was Patrick Mahomes, I would have no problem trading three number one picks. But he might also be Mitch Trubisky, a North Carolina Tar Heel more highly touted than Maye, who the Bears not only traded up for with a comparable deal that is being discussed here, but also passed over Mahomes himself! Same situation last year with the Panthers trading up for Young and passing over Stroud. I assure you both Ryan Pace and David Tepper were in full bloom love and had massive conviction for Trubisky and Young, respectively, in making these brutally disastrous trades.

So notwithstanding Daboll's superior quarterback whispering pedigree, there is no way anybody knows for sure about Maye until we him performing at an elite level at NFL full speed and size.
RE: Guys  
Scooter185 : 4/25/2024 6:53 pm : link
In comment 16487310 LittleBlue said:
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The betting markets are 25 steps ahead of whatever insider report you think you’re getting. It remains ~80% chance we’re going WR.


Sharp money is betting on actual games not these prop bets on who's getting drafted.

Betting odds are even more worthless than mock drafts
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WhoCares : 4/25/2024 6:54 pm : link
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I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.

It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.



Makes sense they would want a guarantee on who they select at 3.



This is what would be weird about 3 team deal. It only works if teams know who each wants, but by doing that NE essentially lets the Giants know they want JJM which means the giants could presumably just make the deal with Arizona and give up less



They basically did just that as NE required them to guarantee we wouldn't take JJM. Schoen better get this done for traditional trade chart value. He has had all the leverage, he knew what NE wanted, he knew they would go JJM at 3 if we didn't trade with them, he had a deal in place to get to 4, just no reason to overpay at all here.


If he has a deal to get the 4th spot, then there's no need to trade to 3 at all. NYG seem to like both Maye and JJM. I'm guessing that they couldn't get a deal to the 4th spot.
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WhoCares : 4/25/2024 6:54 pm : link
In comment 16487358 BleedBlue46 said:
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I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.

It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.



Makes sense they would want a guarantee on who they select at 3.



This is what would be weird about 3 team deal. It only works if teams know who each wants, but by doing that NE essentially lets the Giants know they want JJM which means the giants could presumably just make the deal with Arizona and give up less



They basically did just that as NE required them to guarantee we wouldn't take JJM. Schoen better get this done for traditional trade chart value. He has had all the leverage, he knew what NE wanted, he knew they would go JJM at 3 if we didn't trade with them, he had a deal in place to get to 4, just no reason to overpay at all here.


If he has a deal to get the 4th spot, then there's no need to trade to 3 at all. NYG seem to like both Maye and JJM. I'm guessing that they couldn't get a deal to the 4th spot.
Here’s a crazy, crazy twist  
M.S. : 4/25/2024 6:54 pm : link
Giants trade up into the 3-hole and then turn around and trade it for Vikings 11th and 23rd picks (plus a little more.) And then select Nix or Pennix at 11.
National insiders saying Pats staying and taking Maye  
BigTimeTimJim : 4/25/2024 6:56 pm : link
Pelissero: After weeks of listening to offers for the No. 3 overall pick, all signs now point to the #Patriots standing pat and picking.

The belief within the league is that pick will most likely be North Carolina QB Drake Maye.

Florio: With draft roughly an hour away, Pats are expected to not trade the third overall pick. Which means it's Drake Maye time in New England.
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Another saying Pats sticking at 3  
BigTimeTimJim : 4/25/2024 6:58 pm : link
Schultz: There’s no scenario in which Robert Kraft doesn’t draft a QB in 2024.

The #Patriots have been entertaining offers for weeks, but nobody - inc the #Vikings and #Giants - have offered anywhere near enough to move NE off the third pick.
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I say  
CMicks3110 : 4/25/2024 7:08 pm : link
I’m going to say 25% it’s Maye at 3, 10% its McCarthy at 4, 10% it’s Maye at 4, 10% it’s McCarthy at 5, 25% it’s McCarthy at 6, 5% it’s Maye at 6, 10% its Nabers at 6, and 5% it’s none of the above
Daniel Jones has a 5 year career record of 23-38-1  
arniefez : 4/25/2024 7:10 pm : link
He's missed 21 games in 5 years. The Giants record since the first game he started is 30-52-1. Since 2021 his record vs Dallas and Philadelphia is 1-9. In 2022 his "good" year 0-5 vs Dallas and Philadelphia.

And someone said that the next 5 years with JJ McCarthy would be much worse? How can it be much worse?

2021 offensive ranking yards 31st and points 31st
2022 offensive ranking yards 18th and points tied 14th
2023 offensive ranking yards 29th and points 30th

There is only 1 team in the NFL that would start Daniel Jones at QB at this point. The one that paid him 82 million dollars.
RE: Here’s a crazy, crazy twist  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/25/2024 7:21 pm : link
In comment 16487391 M.S. said:
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Giants trade up into the 3-hole and then turn around and trade it for Vikings 11th and 23rd picks (plus a little more.) And then select Nix or Pennix at 11.


That would be a terrible trade for the Giants
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sb from NYT Forum : 4/25/2024 7:22 pm : link
In comment 16487283 GoDeep13 said:
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I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.

It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.


Well then screw the Patriots and trade with AZ
I think if Maye makes it to #4  
JonC : 4/25/2024 8:00 pm : link
Giants trade up.
RE: The one thing I worry about  
prdave73 : 4/25/2024 8:05 pm : link
In comment 16486773 Mike in NY said:
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Is the lack of draft capital and I would worry about our scouting if they only have 1 of McCarthy/Maye as 1st round caliber


Agree. What do they do with Daniel Jones?? Why did they give him such a huge contract? Those things have to be concerning.
RE: I think if Maye makes it to #4  
Rjanyg : 4/25/2024 8:06 pm : link
In comment 16487677 JonC said:
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Giants trade up.


I have you heard anything?
RE: RE: I think if Maye makes it to #4  
JonC : 4/25/2024 8:08 pm : link
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Giants trade up.



I have you heard anything?


Heard conflicting info, I'll stick with the name I heard first in Maye.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 8:18 pm : link
Rickey
@prettyrickey213
It's looking like I was wrong and the Patriots are staying at 3 to take Drake Maye. I'm sorry and I love you guys. I hope I can work to earn your trust back. Based on the intel I was getting that's what it looked like was going to happen. #fraudalert
If Maye makes it to 4  
bc4life : 4/25/2024 8:31 pm : link
Giants will be in a bidding war.
RE: If Maye makes it to 4  
GFAN52 : 4/25/2024 8:33 pm : link
In comment 16487877 bc4life said:
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Giants will be in a bidding war.


You think they're taking JJ? I don't.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/25/2024 8:43 pm : link
Andrew Mason
@MaseDenver
“The Vikings and Giants made one last-ditch offer to the Patriots …” — @RapSheet
For what my .2 is worth  
arniefez : 4/25/2024 8:52 pm : link
None of the BBI asshats or talent evaluators needs to apologize.


IMO if people who post and read here don't understand the high stakes poker game that is the NFL Draft at this point that's their problem.


You guys make this forum must read everyday in the off season. Thank you. I appreciate your time and effort and please keep the good stuff coming.
Well..  
Jerry in_DC : 4/25/2024 8:59 pm : link
...it was nice to have hope for a couple hours.
RE: For what my .2 is worth  
cosmicj : 4/25/2024 9:02 pm : link
In comment 16488081 arniefez said:
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None of the BBI asshats or talent evaluators needs to apologize.


IMO if people who post and read here don't understand the high stakes poker game that is the NFL Draft at this point that's their problem.


You guys make this forum must read everyday in the off season. Thank you. I appreciate your time and effort and please keep the good stuff coming.


+1. Well said.
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