Said it a million times before, but if Drake is the pick & he becomes an elite QB, no one will GAF what we gave up. Of course he could be an epic bust that costs Joe & Dabs their jobs.
Part of the agita is also because of who is rumored to be the pick there, should we trade up. A bunch of us see a future stud in Maye, while others might see a bum. They'd prefer their own selection, either Daniels (who I think will turn into RG'4' in a couple of years) or JJ (who still strikes me as a JAG, at this stage). We'll find out in a couple of years, I guess.
All that said, I'm still expecting WR1 for us at #6 when all the dust settles. I just know ownership too well. I'm hoping Schoen is still pleading his case, as we speak.
Said it a million times before, but if Drake is the pick & he becomes an elite QB, no one will GAF what we gave up. Of course he could be an epic bust that costs Joe & Dabs their jobs.
Life is full of risks.
Preach.
What did we give up for Eli? Crickets.
How many SB MVPs did he win? TWO.
Manning was a lot surer bet than Maye.
Only because of his last name. Many of us felt Ben had a higher ceiling and more dynamic.
I’m sure many here will rejoice over this, but I can’t help but think, there goes our WR and CB we so desperately need. We will be lucky to get as many wins this coming year with a rookie QB who may or may not pan out. See 2021 first round QBs…..all but one traded away in shame.
Nevertheless, if this QB is as good as Mahomes, never mind.
Why don't you think the Giants need a Qb? If you think they need a QB then what's the point of your question?
Also-- if the QB is good but overall the WR/TE/RB suck and more help is needed on the OL -- then why are you so foucused on wins for next year when they aren't expected to win anyway?
In other words, why don't you think ""there goes our QB we so desperately need"?"
oh my god, what if it's a top 5 pick? what if we're the Panthers and there's a better prospect next year? what if? what if....? holy shit so f-ing annoying.
If Schoen makes this move, and gets his guy I love it. It's bold, it's aggressive and it could be the catalyst to contending or it could be a colossal failure or somewhere in the middle, but at least it's not settling or being passive.
if he's wrong he will lose his job, but I love the move if this is what he does and if it costs next year's 1st. Oh well. Cost of doing business.
This +1,000
This team has been a doormat for a decade, and all of these first round picks have not helped. Be bold and trust your scouting.
Said it a million times before, but if Drake is the pick & he becomes an elite QB, no one will GAF what we gave up. Of course he could be an epic bust that costs Joe & Dabs their jobs.
Life is full of risks.
Preach.
What did we give up for Eli? Crickets.
How many SB MVPs did he win? TWO.
Manning was a lot surer bet than Maye.
Only because of his last name. Many of us felt Ben had a higher ceiling and more dynamic.
do trade up and Maye takes the Giants to a Super Bowl, no one will care.
If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.
They know it.
And I'd be rooting for that not to be the case. If they get Maye wrong but acknowledge it early I'd want to keep them in the building. That's smart management.
Yes. There's no shame in missing on QB as long as other systems are progressing. Hey, maybe in 3 years the team is highly competitive and they have a chance at a QB upgrade. You do it. No shame in it. The mistake is insisting it has to be your (inferior) guy
If they pass on a QB that turns out the QB is good and the GMen's QB sucks and the team overall sucks ofc they should be fired.
If Schon and Daboll think Maye is the next Josh Allen
Then it's not to much, and frankly they should know. I love that they feel so strongly about him to pull the trigger. If they feel good then I feel good.
Don't forget GoDeep said JJM still in play at 3. This place would go ballistic.
The worst thing would be giving up a haul for Maye and JJM turning out to be the dude. Pats get a king's ransom and JJM. We repay them for 2 lost superbowls.
And while he did preside over the contract I take that as a failure to manage the people above him who wanted to keep Jones. Shitcanning both Barkley and Jones (the faces of the franchise 🤮) in the same offseason hours a long way to rectifying that failure.
What's important to see now if they draft Maye, McCarthy, Penix, or whomever is that the new guy does not get the ridiculous leash Jones got. If after two years it's not looking good and they explore other QB options I think that's a huge check in Schoen's favor. That'd mean it's no longer business as usual, and jobs have to actually be earned.
That'd be an actual real culture shift.
More excuse making. After their 1st year - "They had the floor." Instead they tripped over their own feet.
Since Gettleman was hired the Giants have been completely hopeless. Bleak, zero chance to be good, insanely boring. Living under the stupidity of Gettleman and the boring, zero ceiling, robotic QB play of Daniel Jones was been pure misery.
Being freed from that and having a reason to be excited and optimistic about the Giants will really be an incredible feeling. Everything has been so dormant for so long. Please End Jones. Get the new guy. Let's go.
If it works, no one will care what we gave up. If it doesn't, well, we'll have to try again in a few years. Not trying at all due to fear of failure is a surefire way to be mediocre forever.
I feel like Andy Dufresne crawling through 6 years of shit smelling foulness, and I can see the end of the pipe.
I know that Maye isn't your favorite and that you don't want the Giants to fixate on one QB when other quality prospects exist... wouldn't you be a bit disappointed if we gave up a lot of draft capital in that event?
reading what "BleedBlue46" wrote and going back through my messages, I would not completely discount the possibility of McCarthy at #3.
The assumption was it was for Maye. But that was an assumption based on earlier information.
I really hope that is smoke. I will still be glad they went and got the QB they liked, but I am just not there on that guy being anything special in the NFL.
Don't forget GoDeep said JJM still in play at 3. This place would go ballistic.
The worst thing would be giving up a haul for Maye and JJM turning out to be the dude. Pats get a king's ransom and JJM. We repay them for 2 lost superbowls.
Spending a haul for either of these prospects is a valid critique.
However, paying a premium for a prospect who doesn't have special skills like McCarthy would be very difficult to swallow. At least I know Maye has a hose, is big, athletic and mobile.
Yeah I am sure Evan Neal, Kadarious Toney, DeAndre Baker, Daniel Jones, Evan Engram would agree with you...
wow so enlightening from Ian...
I actually laughed out loud because this is so true that it hurts.
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Said it a million times before, but if Drake is the pick & he becomes an elite QB, no one will GAF what we gave up. Of course he could be an epic bust that costs Joe & Dabs their jobs.
Life is full of risks.
Preach.
What did we give up for Eli? Crickets.
How many SB MVPs did he win? TWO.
Manning was a lot surer bet than Maye.
All that said, I'm still expecting WR1 for us at #6 when all the dust settles. I just know ownership too well. I'm hoping Schoen is still pleading his case, as we speak.
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Said it a million times before, but if Drake is the pick & he becomes an elite QB, no one will GAF what we gave up. Of course he could be an epic bust that costs Joe & Dabs their jobs.
Life is full of risks.
Preach.
What did we give up for Eli? Crickets.
How many SB MVPs did he win? TWO.
Manning was a lot surer bet than Maye.
Only because of his last name. Many of us felt Ben had a higher ceiling and more dynamic.
Nevertheless, if this QB is as good as Mahomes, never mind.
Why don't you think the Giants need a Qb? If you think they need a QB then what's the point of your question?
Also-- if the QB is good but overall the WR/TE/RB suck and more help is needed on the OL -- then why are you so foucused on wins for next year when they aren't expected to win anyway?
In other words, why don't you think ""there goes our QB we so desperately need"?"
fans losing their shit over next year's 1st, lol.
oh my god, what if it's a top 5 pick? what if we're the Panthers and there's a better prospect next year? what if? what if....? holy shit so f-ing annoying.
If Schoen makes this move, and gets his guy I love it. It's bold, it's aggressive and it could be the catalyst to contending or it could be a colossal failure or somewhere in the middle, but at least it's not settling or being passive.
if he's wrong he will lose his job, but I love the move if this is what he does and if it costs next year's 1st. Oh well. Cost of doing business.
This +1,000
This team has been a doormat for a decade, and all of these first round picks have not helped. Be bold and trust your scouting.
I understand a franchise QB is small consolation for the pain you'll have to endure.
And you know he’s a franchise QB?
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In comment 16486887 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Said it a million times before, but if Drake is the pick & he becomes an elite QB, no one will GAF what we gave up. Of course he could be an epic bust that costs Joe & Dabs their jobs.
Life is full of risks.
Preach.
What did we give up for Eli? Crickets.
How many SB MVPs did he win? TWO.
Manning was a lot surer bet than Maye.
Only because of his last name. Many of us felt Ben had a higher ceiling and more dynamic.
Yeah, only because of his last name. Right.
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who now won't be able to spend hours watching "tape" of 1st round prospects next year, in anticipation of the Giants' 2025 RD-1 pick.
I understand a franchise QB is small consolation for the pain you'll have to endure.
And you know he’s a franchise QB?
I know Daniel Jones isn't. That's what matters
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do trade up and Maye takes the Giants to a Super Bowl, no one will care.
If Maye busts, we're looking at a new GM and HC in three years.
They know it.
And I'd be rooting for that not to be the case. If they get Maye wrong but acknowledge it early I'd want to keep them in the building. That's smart management.
Yes. There's no shame in missing on QB as long as other systems are progressing. Hey, maybe in 3 years the team is highly competitive and they have a chance at a QB upgrade. You do it. No shame in it. The mistake is insisting it has to be your (inferior) guy
If they pass on a QB that turns out the QB is good and the GMen's QB sucks and the team overall sucks ofc they should be fired.
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The Jones failure was tied to a bigger picture push but none of you want to admit that..
Nonsense. Please stop with the excuse making.
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who now won't be able to spend hours watching "tape" of 1st round prospects next year, in anticipation of the Giants' 2025 RD-1 pick.
I understand a franchise QB is small consolation for the pain you'll have to endure.
And you know he’s a franchise QB?
No one knows obviously. But most fans realize that the Giants don't currently have a franchise QB, and we're not going to win anything until we do.
So Schoen and Daboll are taking their shot.
"Johnny, what can you make out of this?
This? Why, I can make a hat or a brooch or a pterodactyl."
The worst thing would be giving up a haul for Maye and JJM turning out to be the dude. Pats get a king's ransom and JJM. We repay them for 2 lost superbowls.
I'm honestly hoping the Commies surprise everyone and take Maye. Get JJM for less or pay the king's ransom for JD.
I'd presume if we had a deal in place with AZ to get from 4 to 6 that could've been passed along in the deal with NE.
Contingent on Daniels goes #2 which is likely :)
Gotta make sure WAS takes JD
I saw Matt Miller from ESPN reported that MHJ apparently has a promise from Arizona if he's there at 4 fwiw.
What's important to see now if they draft Maye, McCarthy, Penix, or whomever is that the new guy does not get the ridiculous leash Jones got. If after two years it's not looking good and they explore other QB options I think that's a huge check in Schoen's favor. That'd mean it's no longer business as usual, and jobs have to actually be earned.
That'd be an actual real culture shift.
More excuse making. After their 1st year - "They had the floor." Instead they tripped over their own feet.
That would be wild.
Being freed from that and having a reason to be excited and optimistic about the Giants will really be an incredible feeling. Everything has been so dormant for so long. Please End Jones. Get the new guy. Let's go.
The assumption was it was for Maye. But that was an assumption based on earlier information.
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The Jones failure was tied to a bigger picture push but none of you want to admit that..
Nonsense. Please stop with the excuse making.
It's not an excuse about thecdeal- that was forced to keep Barkley...
The assumption was it was for Maye. But that was an assumption based on earlier information.
ugh, I would hate that.
The assumption was it was for Maye. But that was an assumption based on earlier information.
Bet against that kid at your own peril.
OK I laughed a little.
I look forward to the day a year or two from now when Ryan and I hold the exact same view on the Giants QB - that he is a damn stud!
I know that Maye isn't your favorite and that you don't want the Giants to fixate on one QB when other quality prospects exist... wouldn't you be a bit disappointed if we gave up a lot of draft capital in that event?
If that guy busts, Daboll & Schoen are emptying their desks the day after the last game, THIS coming season. (Ghost of Matt Millen GM re-visited ?)
They are "up against it" - Broken QB, Rebuilt O-line after a disastrous debacle, no running game ....
As William Bendix used to say "what a revolting development" !
The assumption was it was for Maye. But that was an assumption based on earlier information.
Imagine if the Pats get a haul from us and then take Maye at 6
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reading what "BleedBlue46" wrote and going back through my messages, I would not completely discount the possibility of McCarthy at #3.
The assumption was it was for Maye. But that was an assumption based on earlier information.
Imagine if the Pats get a haul from us and then take Maye at 6
Or trade down with the Vikings for a bigger haul.
The assumption was it was for Maye. But that was an assumption based on earlier information.
Rico said Maye so I will believe that.
The assumption was it was for Maye. But that was an assumption based on earlier information.
That would be mind blowing, plus the fact he's not even attending the draft in person.
The assumption was it was for Maye. But that was an assumption based on earlier information.
I really hope that is smoke. I will still be glad they went and got the QB they liked, but I am just not there on that guy being anything special in the NFL.
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reading what "BleedBlue46" wrote and going back through my messages, I would not completely discount the possibility of McCarthy at #3.
The assumption was it was for Maye. But that was an assumption based on earlier information.
Imagine if the Pats get a haul from us and then take Maye at 6
Or trade down with the Vikings for a bigger haul.
That's what Belichick would do if he was still there
GoDeep thinks the deal is about done, but he threw McCarthy's name in there.
The worst thing would be giving up a haul for Maye and JJM turning out to be the dude. Pats get a king's ransom and JJM. We repay them for 2 lost superbowls.
Spending a haul for either of these prospects is a valid critique.
However, paying a premium for a prospect who doesn't have special skills like McCarthy would be very difficult to swallow. At least I know Maye has a hose, is big, athletic and mobile.