I'd prefer to keep #47 and give up #70 and another pick next year, but if this is the price to get the guy at #3, do it.
Me too but if Minnesota is offering their 2 1sts and a 1st next year I suppose this is what it'll take to top that
If NE wants JJM and we have a deal in place to get from 6 to 4 which we could pass along to NE in the trade from 6 to 3, then we aren't competing with Minnesota and it would be stupid to cave to NE's demands. Make them trade with Minnesota or take JJM at 3 then.
I think Arizona is taking Harrison. Rumor is they gave him a promise if he's on the board at 4 which would align with how he's handled the pre-draft process.
That rumor came from Matt Miller. I like Matt's work as a draft analyst. He has absolutely no inside sources. The next story he breaks will be the first.
RE: If the Pats want #4, why wouldn’t the giants just trade with AZ
First then swap 3 and 4. It almost certainly wouldn’t require a ‘25 first rounder, more likely a ‘24 and ‘25 3rd.
AZ wouldn't want to swap without knowing NE went QB. This trade to 3 could still essentially be a 3 team trade with AZ using our negotiated deal with them we had in place yesterday. In which case it could cost a lot less than presumed.
I can ultimately get my head around it because I love the player. But that is a vicious price to pay for a guy who had a very disappointing year in 2023.
If this is for McCarthy, the next five years will make the DJ Era seem like a paradise in the Alps. It will easily go down as the worst draft day decision in Giants history, and that is saying a lot given the ignominious track record of this franchise on draft day.
I still say the best thing for this team is to stay pat and let the draft come to us. We are at ground zero of the "Post DJ Era" rebuild. Giving up so many assets for a low floor high ceiling guy is a massive bet on a kid who will be anointed instantly as the savior of this franchise. Heavy shall be the head of Mr. Maye....
If you prefer staying put and you hate JJ, then you're basically saying you'd like more DJ.
You may not have noticed, but I have been the most prolific anti-DJ poster on this site since the moment he was drafted. Let me be clear. They should cut DJ as soon as he passes a physical. I am fine with Lock being the starter under Daboll's tutelage with Cutlets as the backup. And they should absolutely get the best quarterback in this draft at the most sensible point when value and opportunity present themselves, which they unquestionably will, in this draft.
Giving up two firsts and a second is way too expensive to move up three spots - for anybody. The Giants are bidding against themselves yet again for the umpteenth time in recent memory.
I can ultimately get my head around it because I love the player. But that is a vicious price to pay for a guy who had a very disappointing year in 2023.
If this is for McCarthy, the next five years will make the DJ Era seem like a paradise in the Alps. It will easily go down as the worst draft day decision in Giants history, and that is saying a lot given the ignominious track record of this franchise on draft day.
I still say the best thing for this team is to stay pat and let the draft come to us. We are at ground zero of the "Post DJ Era" rebuild. Giving up so many assets for a low floor high ceiling guy is a massive bet on a kid who will be anointed instantly as the savior of this franchise. Heavy shall be the head of Mr. Maye....
If you prefer staying put and you hate JJ, then you're basically saying you'd like more DJ.
You may not have noticed, but I have been the most prolific anti-DJ poster on this site since the moment he was drafted. Let me be clear. They should cut DJ as soon as he passes a physical. I am fine with Lock being the starter under Daboll's tutelage with Cutlets as the backup. And they should absolutely get the best quarterback in this draft at the most sensible point when value and opportunity present themselves, which they unquestionably will, in this draft.
Giving up two firsts and a second is way too expensive to move up three spots - for anybody. The Giants are bidding against themselves yet again for the umpteenth time in recent memory.
I agree, I would have called their bluff and taken Maye or JJM at 4. I like JJM more though, if you love Maye this is the only way to lock him up in Giants Blue.
RE: If the Pats want #4, why wouldn’t the giants just trade with AZ
I've seen that said, but no link or anything. Any idea? Why would Rico say we had a deal in place with AZ if they are guaranteeing MHJ? Also, if they trade down and MHJ isn't on the board then that technically doesn't break their promise lol
That rumor came from Matt Miller. I like Matt's work as a draft analyst. He has absolutely no inside sources. The next story he breaks will be the first.
Can't find it now but I initially saw it because a Cardinals beat writer quote tweeted it and said that he believes it to be true
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Raanan on the Michael Kay show just now said that he's hearing
That rumor came from Matt Miller. I like Matt's work as a draft analyst. He has absolutely no inside sources. The next story he breaks will be the first.
Can't find it now but I initially saw it because a Cardinals beat writer quote tweeted it and said that he believes it to be true
They're probably going to draft him. The player aligns with the Cardinals biggest need. I can't imagine they promised him anything. Unless it is similar to the Panthers GM telling Legette they're gonna take him if he's at 33. Which the Panthers GM said he told a bunch of prospects that.
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I've seen that said, but no link or anything. Any idea? Why would Rico say we had a deal in place with AZ if they are guaranteeing MHJ? Also, if they trade down and MHJ isn't on the board then that technically doesn't break their promise lol
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I appreciate the link but I think this should be taken with a grain of salt: "Sources around the NFL say Harrison has an assurance from the Cardinals that he will be the pick if available at this spot."
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Raanan on the Michael Kay show just now said that he's hearing
That rumor came from Matt Miller. I like Matt's work as a draft analyst. He has absolutely no inside sources. The next story he breaks will be the first.
Can't find it now but I initially saw it because a Cardinals beat writer quote tweeted it and said that he believes it to be true
They're probably going to draft him. The player aligns with the Cardinals biggest need. I can't imagine they promised him anything. Unless it is similar to the Panthers GM telling Legette they're gonna take him if he's at 33. Which the Panthers GM said he told a bunch of prospects that.
It just makes sense when you zoom out and look at how he's handled the pre-draft process. He hasn't acted like a guy that's falling past 4. I'd bet a lot of money that's where he goes tonight
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Raanan on the Michael Kay show just now said that he's hearing
I've seen that said, but no link or anything. Any idea? Why would Rico say we had a deal in place with AZ if they are guaranteeing MHJ? Also, if they trade down and MHJ isn't on the board then that technically doesn't break their promise lol
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I appreciate the link but I think this should be taken with a grain of salt: "Sources around the NFL say Harrison has an assurance from the Cardinals that he will be the pick if available at this spot."
You think that should be taken with a grain of salt but you hang on every new asshat information like it's gospel?
I prefer J.J. McCarthy over Drake Maye. Something about the latter’s throwing motion kinda bugs me. And ya gotta love J.J. McCarthy’s mobility. But whether it’s one or the other, I am keeping my fingers crossed that Daboll allows his shiny new QB to learn the NFL game from the sidelines and from a very few exhibition games and opportunistic in-game situations.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Raanan on the Michael Kay show just now said that he's hearing
That rumor came from Matt Miller. I like Matt's work as a draft analyst. He has absolutely no inside sources. The next story he breaks will be the first.
Can't find it now but I initially saw it because a Cardinals beat writer quote tweeted it and said that he believes it to be true
They're probably going to draft him. The player aligns with the Cardinals biggest need. I can't imagine they promised him anything. Unless it is similar to the Panthers GM telling Legette they're gonna take him if he's at 33. Which the Panthers GM said he told a bunch of prospects that.
It just makes sense when you zoom out and look at how he's handled the pre-draft process. He hasn't acted like a guy that's falling past 4. I'd bet a lot of money that's where he goes tonight
I could see it since we have word that Minnesota doesn't want JJM, NE could have intel about that. They could make out like bandits if JJM is that dude.
I can ultimately get my head around it because I love the player. But that is a vicious price to pay for a guy who had a very disappointing year in 2023.
If this is for McCarthy, the next five years will make the DJ Era seem like a paradise in the Alps. It will easily go down as the worst draft day decision in Giants history, and that is saying a lot given the ignominious track record of this franchise on draft day.
I still say the best thing for this team is to stay pat and let the draft come to us. We are at ground zero of the "Post DJ Era" rebuild. Giving up so many assets for a low floor high ceiling guy is a massive bet on a kid who will be anointed instantly as the savior of this franchise. Heavy shall be the head of Mr. Maye....
If you prefer staying put and you hate JJ, then you're basically saying you'd like more DJ.
You may not have noticed, but I have been the most prolific anti-DJ poster on this site since the moment he was drafted. Let me be clear. They should cut DJ as soon as he passes a physical. I am fine with Lock being the starter under Daboll's tutelage with Cutlets as the backup. And they should absolutely get the best quarterback in this draft at the most sensible point when value and opportunity present themselves, which they unquestionably will, in this draft.
Giving up two firsts and a second is way too expensive to move up three spots - for anybody. The Giants are bidding against themselves yet again for the umpteenth time in recent memory.
I agree, I would have called their bluff and taken Maye or JJM at 4. I like JJM more though, if you love Maye this is the only way to lock him up in Giants Blue.
It's the "falling in love" that I hate. This should be a dispassionate decision based on intellect, not emotion. I do like Maye very much because of his ceiling - at six. Which is precisely why I don't love JJM - at six. So I have a problem with the price tag of moving up for Maye and drafting JJM in the top ten.
So there is no reason to panic. Why? Because it should not be an emotional decision. If you can get Maye at four with a slight trade up that doesn't include the 2025 first round pick, then do it. If you can get JJM with a trade back, which is exactly what the Pats are trying to accomplish, then do that. If not, in either case, don't. Let the draft come to you and make sensible value/opportunity decisions.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Raanan on the Michael Kay show just now said that he's hearing
I've seen that said, but no link or anything. Any idea? Why would Rico say we had a deal in place with AZ if they are guaranteeing MHJ? Also, if they trade down and MHJ isn't on the board then that technically doesn't break their promise lol
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I appreciate the link but I think this should be taken with a grain of salt: "Sources around the NFL say Harrison has an assurance from the Cardinals that he will be the pick if available at this spot."
You think that should be taken with a grain of salt but you hang on every new asshat information like it's gospel?
I take all the reports with a grain of salt, but I like to posture about all the reports because I think that's part of the fun. Predraft shenanigans are the best!
I can ultimately get my head around it because I love the player. But that is a vicious price to pay for a guy who had a very disappointing year in 2023.
If this is for McCarthy, the next five years will make the DJ Era seem like a paradise in the Alps. It will easily go down as the worst draft day decision in Giants history, and that is saying a lot given the ignominious track record of this franchise on draft day.
I still say the best thing for this team is to stay pat and let the draft come to us. We are at ground zero of the "Post DJ Era" rebuild. Giving up so many assets for a low floor high ceiling guy is a massive bet on a kid who will be anointed instantly as the savior of this franchise. Heavy shall be the head of Mr. Maye....
If you prefer staying put and you hate JJ, then you're basically saying you'd like more DJ.
You may not have noticed, but I have been the most prolific anti-DJ poster on this site since the moment he was drafted. Let me be clear. They should cut DJ as soon as he passes a physical. I am fine with Lock being the starter under Daboll's tutelage with Cutlets as the backup. And they should absolutely get the best quarterback in this draft at the most sensible point when value and opportunity present themselves, which they unquestionably will, in this draft.
Giving up two firsts and a second is way too expensive to move up three spots - for anybody. The Giants are bidding against themselves yet again for the umpteenth time in recent memory.
I agree, I would have called their bluff and taken Maye or JJM at 4. I like JJM more though, if you love Maye this is the only way to lock him up in Giants Blue.
It's the "falling in love" that I hate. This should be a dispassionate decision based on intellect, not emotion. I do like Maye very much because of his ceiling - at six. Which is precisely why I don't love JJM - at six. So I have a problem with the price tag of moving up for Maye and drafting JJM in the top ten.
So there is no reason to panic. Why? Because it should not be an emotional decision. If you can get Maye at four with a slight trade up that doesn't include the 2025 first round pick, then do it. If you can get JJM with a trade back, which is exactly what the Pats are trying to accomplish, then do that. If not, in either case, don't. Let the draft come to you and make sensible value/opportunity decisions.
You don't have to be raging with passion for your HC to conclude that Maye is a QB he can turn into a stud and then make him the priority. It's actually leas rational to insist you won't pony up more for the QB your HC thinks you need. And who will care about passion and rationality if the guy you passed on becomes a top-8 stud? Just ask Sean Payton who waited patiently and dispassionatly for Mahomes to land in his lap at pick 11.
I can ultimately get my head around it because I love the player. But that is a vicious price to pay for a guy who had a very disappointing year in 2023.
If this is for McCarthy, the next five years will make the DJ Era seem like a paradise in the Alps. It will easily go down as the worst draft day decision in Giants history, and that is saying a lot given the ignominious track record of this franchise on draft day.
I still say the best thing for this team is to stay pat and let the draft come to us. We are at ground zero of the "Post DJ Era" rebuild. Giving up so many assets for a low floor high ceiling guy is a massive bet on a kid who will be anointed instantly as the savior of this franchise. Heavy shall be the head of Mr. Maye....
If you prefer staying put and you hate JJ, then you're basically saying you'd like more DJ.
You may not have noticed, but I have been the most prolific anti-DJ poster on this site since the moment he was drafted. Let me be clear. They should cut DJ as soon as he passes a physical. I am fine with Lock being the starter under Daboll's tutelage with Cutlets as the backup. And they should absolutely get the best quarterback in this draft at the most sensible point when value and opportunity present themselves, which they unquestionably will, in this draft.
Giving up two firsts and a second is way too expensive to move up three spots - for anybody. The Giants are bidding against themselves yet again for the umpteenth time in recent memory.
I agree, I would have called their bluff and taken Maye or JJM at 4. I like JJM more though, if you love Maye this is the only way to lock him up in Giants Blue.
It's the "falling in love" that I hate. This should be a dispassionate decision based on intellect, not emotion. I do like Maye very much because of his ceiling - at six. Which is precisely why I don't love JJM - at six. So I have a problem with the price tag of moving up for Maye and drafting JJM in the top ten.
So there is no reason to panic. Why? Because it should not be an emotional decision. If you can get Maye at four with a slight trade up that doesn't include the 2025 first round pick, then do it. If you can get JJM with a trade back, which is exactly what the Pats are trying to accomplish, then do that. If not, in either case, don't. Let the draft come to you and make sensible value/opportunity decisions.
I see your perspective, it seems as though Schdabs have extreme conviction in Maye and probably have for close to two years now ever since he started rollin in 2022. I predict the Patriots will make out very nicely in this as I believe in JJM, but I'm hoping Maye is all Schdabs hope and more if that's the way it goes.
Who knew Bradys ceiling was 50 TDs in a season? People even thought that Ryan Leaf was the big ceiling over Peyton
NFL QB is about whats between the ears and McCarthy has it in spades
He also throws it 65+ yards and 61 mph and have some great agility drills. The kid was offered a scholarship in 8th grade and was a 5 star top QB recruit
I think people pegging his so called “ceiling” are going on some very surface level analysis of him QBing a run heavy team
I will never root against the Giants during the game, but that "win" is going to hurt.
What hurt was failing to trade Barkley for a medium Pepsi to the Ravens or Texans before the deadline. The near wins and near losses canceled out. The failure to trade Barkley was plain dumb.
You can't play the "what if" game with records.
"What if" Taylor did not make a bone head play at the last second of the half against the Bills and the REPEATED IT in the last seconds of the game.
You record is what it is. The "what ifs" even out.
They don't know their ass from a hat... that WR ship has sailed.
Since I posted this the money has moved harder to favor a WR. From -230 to -280.
And sharp people betting money know - to put it mildly - way more than we do right now.
And it’s now gone to -350.
It’s a WR for us tonight boys.
That's not a good sign.
The pro gamblers and sharks bet in Vegas at spots that basically sponsor them because they spend so much. Most of those guys aren't on betting apps, that's based on people that are common fans with no inside Intel. I'd say these means nothing.
I will never root against the Giants during the game, but that "win" is going to hurt.
What hurt was failing to trade Barkley for a medium Pepsi to the Ravens or Texans before the deadline. The near wins and near losses canceled out. The failure to trade Barkley was plain dumb.
You can't play the "what if" game with records.
"What if" Taylor did not make a bone head play at the last second of the half against the Bills and the REPEATED IT in the last seconds of the game.
You record is what it is. The "what ifs" even out.
I'm not sure if you're responding to me or the op? I said exactly what you're saying. We had 3 near wins and 3 near losses, they balanced out. The failure to trade Barkley was undoubtedly a mistake though.
Any updates regarding more sources confirming that the deal is actually done? I know GoDeep and RICO chimed in earlier, just circling back. Haven’t seen anything from the usual other sources, didn’t know if that was as a result of the “other qb info” you had earlier or not.
Who knew Bradys ceiling was 50 TDs in a season? People even thought that Ryan Leaf was the big ceiling over Peyton
NFL QB is about whats between the ears and McCarthy has it in spades
He also throws it 65+ yards and 61 mph and have some great agility drills. The kid was offered a scholarship in 8th grade and was a 5 star top QB recruit
I think people pegging his so called “ceiling” are going on some very surface level analysis of him QBing a run heavy team
I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.
It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.
So Schoen knows 100% they want JJM. He better not get fleeced by paying much of anything more than traditional trade value which would be pick 6, 70, 107 and 2025 2nd.
I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.
It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.
So Schoen knows 100% they want JJM. He better not get fleeced by paying much of anything more than traditional trade value which would be pick 6, 70, 107 and 2025 2nd.
Any updates regarding more sources confirming that the deal is actually done? I know GoDeep and RICO chimed in earlier, just circling back. Haven’t seen anything from the usual other sources, didn’t know if that was as a result of the “other qb info” you had earlier or not.
I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.
It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.
So Schoen knows 100% they want JJM. He better not get fleeced by paying much of anything more than traditional trade value which would be pick 6, 70, 107 and 2025 2nd.
As long as they have conviction to trade up for a specific player I'm not concerned with the cost.
It fucking better not if Schoen is required to guarantee they don't take JJM and he knows the cost to guarantee JJM from pick 6, no reason to overpay. You're basically just paying a bit more than what you'd pay AZ for pick 4 to guarantee Minnesota can't do anything tricky.
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it'll take 6, 47 and our 2025 1st to get to 3
I'd prefer to keep #47 and give up #70 and another pick next year, but if this is the price to get the guy at #3, do it.
Me too but if Minnesota is offering their 2 1sts and a 1st next year I suppose this is what it'll take to top that
If NE wants JJM and we have a deal in place to get from 6 to 4 which we could pass along to NE in the trade from 6 to 3, then we aren't competing with Minnesota and it would be stupid to cave to NE's demands. Make them trade with Minnesota or take JJM at 3 then.
I think Arizona is taking Harrison. Rumor is they gave him a promise if he's on the board at 4 which would align with how he's handled the pre-draft process.
That rumor came from Matt Miller. I like Matt's work as a draft analyst. He has absolutely no inside sources. The next story he breaks will be the first.
AZ wouldn't want to swap without knowing NE went QB. This trade to 3 could still essentially be a 3 team trade with AZ using our negotiated deal with them we had in place yesterday. In which case it could cost a lot less than presumed.
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I can ultimately get my head around it because I love the player. But that is a vicious price to pay for a guy who had a very disappointing year in 2023.
If this is for McCarthy, the next five years will make the DJ Era seem like a paradise in the Alps. It will easily go down as the worst draft day decision in Giants history, and that is saying a lot given the ignominious track record of this franchise on draft day.
I still say the best thing for this team is to stay pat and let the draft come to us. We are at ground zero of the "Post DJ Era" rebuild. Giving up so many assets for a low floor high ceiling guy is a massive bet on a kid who will be anointed instantly as the savior of this franchise. Heavy shall be the head of Mr. Maye....
If you prefer staying put and you hate JJ, then you're basically saying you'd like more DJ.
You may not have noticed, but I have been the most prolific anti-DJ poster on this site since the moment he was drafted. Let me be clear. They should cut DJ as soon as he passes a physical. I am fine with Lock being the starter under Daboll's tutelage with Cutlets as the backup. And they should absolutely get the best quarterback in this draft at the most sensible point when value and opportunity present themselves, which they unquestionably will, in this draft.
Giving up two firsts and a second is way too expensive to move up three spots - for anybody. The Giants are bidding against themselves yet again for the umpteenth time in recent memory.
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I can ultimately get my head around it because I love the player. But that is a vicious price to pay for a guy who had a very disappointing year in 2023.
If this is for McCarthy, the next five years will make the DJ Era seem like a paradise in the Alps. It will easily go down as the worst draft day decision in Giants history, and that is saying a lot given the ignominious track record of this franchise on draft day.
I still say the best thing for this team is to stay pat and let the draft come to us. We are at ground zero of the "Post DJ Era" rebuild. Giving up so many assets for a low floor high ceiling guy is a massive bet on a kid who will be anointed instantly as the savior of this franchise. Heavy shall be the head of Mr. Maye....
If you prefer staying put and you hate JJ, then you're basically saying you'd like more DJ.
You may not have noticed, but I have been the most prolific anti-DJ poster on this site since the moment he was drafted. Let me be clear. They should cut DJ as soon as he passes a physical. I am fine with Lock being the starter under Daboll's tutelage with Cutlets as the backup. And they should absolutely get the best quarterback in this draft at the most sensible point when value and opportunity present themselves, which they unquestionably will, in this draft.
Giving up two firsts and a second is way too expensive to move up three spots - for anybody. The Giants are bidding against themselves yet again for the umpteenth time in recent memory.
I agree, I would have called their bluff and taken Maye or JJM at 4. I like JJM more though, if you love Maye this is the only way to lock him up in Giants Blue.
Good point and maybe Schoen has both NE and AZ GMs on the phone at the same time like Billy Beane in Moneyball.
I've seen that said, but no link or anything. Any idea? Why would Rico say we had a deal in place with AZ if they are guaranteeing MHJ? Also, if they trade down and MHJ isn't on the board then that technically doesn't break their promise lol
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That rumor came from Matt Miller. I like Matt's work as a draft analyst. He has absolutely no inside sources. The next story he breaks will be the first.
Can't find it now but I initially saw it because a Cardinals beat writer quote tweeted it and said that he believes it to be true
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That rumor came from Matt Miller. I like Matt's work as a draft analyst. He has absolutely no inside sources. The next story he breaks will be the first.
Can't find it now but I initially saw it because a Cardinals beat writer quote tweeted it and said that he believes it to be true
They're probably going to draft him. The player aligns with the Cardinals biggest need. I can't imagine they promised him anything. Unless it is similar to the Panthers GM telling Legette they're gonna take him if he's at 33. Which the Panthers GM said he told a bunch of prospects that.
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I've seen that said, but no link or anything. Any idea? Why would Rico say we had a deal in place with AZ if they are guaranteeing MHJ? Also, if they trade down and MHJ isn't on the board then that technically doesn't break their promise lol
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I appreciate the link but I think this should be taken with a grain of salt: "Sources around the NFL say Harrison has an assurance from the Cardinals that he will be the pick if available at this spot."
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That rumor came from Matt Miller. I like Matt's work as a draft analyst. He has absolutely no inside sources. The next story he breaks will be the first.
Can't find it now but I initially saw it because a Cardinals beat writer quote tweeted it and said that he believes it to be true
They're probably going to draft him. The player aligns with the Cardinals biggest need. I can't imagine they promised him anything. Unless it is similar to the Panthers GM telling Legette they're gonna take him if he's at 33. Which the Panthers GM said he told a bunch of prospects that.
It just makes sense when you zoom out and look at how he's handled the pre-draft process. He hasn't acted like a guy that's falling past 4. I'd bet a lot of money that's where he goes tonight
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I've seen that said, but no link or anything. Any idea? Why would Rico say we had a deal in place with AZ if they are guaranteeing MHJ? Also, if they trade down and MHJ isn't on the board then that technically doesn't break their promise lol
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I appreciate the link but I think this should be taken with a grain of salt: "Sources around the NFL say Harrison has an assurance from the Cardinals that he will be the pick if available at this spot."
You think that should be taken with a grain of salt but you hang on every new asshat information like it's gospel?
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That rumor came from Matt Miller. I like Matt's work as a draft analyst. He has absolutely no inside sources. The next story he breaks will be the first.
Can't find it now but I initially saw it because a Cardinals beat writer quote tweeted it and said that he believes it to be true
They're probably going to draft him. The player aligns with the Cardinals biggest need. I can't imagine they promised him anything. Unless it is similar to the Panthers GM telling Legette they're gonna take him if he's at 33. Which the Panthers GM said he told a bunch of prospects that.
It just makes sense when you zoom out and look at how he's handled the pre-draft process. He hasn't acted like a guy that's falling past 4. I'd bet a lot of money that's where he goes tonight
I could see it since we have word that Minnesota doesn't want JJM, NE could have intel about that. They could make out like bandits if JJM is that dude.
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I can ultimately get my head around it because I love the player. But that is a vicious price to pay for a guy who had a very disappointing year in 2023.
If this is for McCarthy, the next five years will make the DJ Era seem like a paradise in the Alps. It will easily go down as the worst draft day decision in Giants history, and that is saying a lot given the ignominious track record of this franchise on draft day.
I still say the best thing for this team is to stay pat and let the draft come to us. We are at ground zero of the "Post DJ Era" rebuild. Giving up so many assets for a low floor high ceiling guy is a massive bet on a kid who will be anointed instantly as the savior of this franchise. Heavy shall be the head of Mr. Maye....
If you prefer staying put and you hate JJ, then you're basically saying you'd like more DJ.
You may not have noticed, but I have been the most prolific anti-DJ poster on this site since the moment he was drafted. Let me be clear. They should cut DJ as soon as he passes a physical. I am fine with Lock being the starter under Daboll's tutelage with Cutlets as the backup. And they should absolutely get the best quarterback in this draft at the most sensible point when value and opportunity present themselves, which they unquestionably will, in this draft.
Giving up two firsts and a second is way too expensive to move up three spots - for anybody. The Giants are bidding against themselves yet again for the umpteenth time in recent memory.
I agree, I would have called their bluff and taken Maye or JJM at 4. I like JJM more though, if you love Maye this is the only way to lock him up in Giants Blue.
It's the "falling in love" that I hate. This should be a dispassionate decision based on intellect, not emotion. I do like Maye very much because of his ceiling - at six. Which is precisely why I don't love JJM - at six. So I have a problem with the price tag of moving up for Maye and drafting JJM in the top ten.
So there is no reason to panic. Why? Because it should not be an emotional decision. If you can get Maye at four with a slight trade up that doesn't include the 2025 first round pick, then do it. If you can get JJM with a trade back, which is exactly what the Pats are trying to accomplish, then do that. If not, in either case, don't. Let the draft come to you and make sensible value/opportunity decisions.
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I've seen that said, but no link or anything. Any idea? Why would Rico say we had a deal in place with AZ if they are guaranteeing MHJ? Also, if they trade down and MHJ isn't on the board then that technically doesn't break their promise lol
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I appreciate the link but I think this should be taken with a grain of salt: "Sources around the NFL say Harrison has an assurance from the Cardinals that he will be the pick if available at this spot."
You think that should be taken with a grain of salt but you hang on every new asshat information like it's gospel?
I take all the reports with a grain of salt, but I like to posture about all the reports because I think that's part of the fun. Predraft shenanigans are the best!
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I can ultimately get my head around it because I love the player. But that is a vicious price to pay for a guy who had a very disappointing year in 2023.
If this is for McCarthy, the next five years will make the DJ Era seem like a paradise in the Alps. It will easily go down as the worst draft day decision in Giants history, and that is saying a lot given the ignominious track record of this franchise on draft day.
I still say the best thing for this team is to stay pat and let the draft come to us. We are at ground zero of the "Post DJ Era" rebuild. Giving up so many assets for a low floor high ceiling guy is a massive bet on a kid who will be anointed instantly as the savior of this franchise. Heavy shall be the head of Mr. Maye....
If you prefer staying put and you hate JJ, then you're basically saying you'd like more DJ.
You may not have noticed, but I have been the most prolific anti-DJ poster on this site since the moment he was drafted. Let me be clear. They should cut DJ as soon as he passes a physical. I am fine with Lock being the starter under Daboll's tutelage with Cutlets as the backup. And they should absolutely get the best quarterback in this draft at the most sensible point when value and opportunity present themselves, which they unquestionably will, in this draft.
Giving up two firsts and a second is way too expensive to move up three spots - for anybody. The Giants are bidding against themselves yet again for the umpteenth time in recent memory.
I agree, I would have called their bluff and taken Maye or JJM at 4. I like JJM more though, if you love Maye this is the only way to lock him up in Giants Blue.
It's the "falling in love" that I hate. This should be a dispassionate decision based on intellect, not emotion. I do like Maye very much because of his ceiling - at six. Which is precisely why I don't love JJM - at six. So I have a problem with the price tag of moving up for Maye and drafting JJM in the top ten.
So there is no reason to panic. Why? Because it should not be an emotional decision. If you can get Maye at four with a slight trade up that doesn't include the 2025 first round pick, then do it. If you can get JJM with a trade back, which is exactly what the Pats are trying to accomplish, then do that. If not, in either case, don't. Let the draft come to you and make sensible value/opportunity decisions.
You don't have to be raging with passion for your HC to conclude that Maye is a QB he can turn into a stud and then make him the priority. It's actually leas rational to insist you won't pony up more for the QB your HC thinks you need. And who will care about passion and rationality if the guy you passed on becomes a top-8 stud? Just ask Sean Payton who waited patiently and dispassionatly for Mahomes to land in his lap at pick 11.
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I can ultimately get my head around it because I love the player. But that is a vicious price to pay for a guy who had a very disappointing year in 2023.
If this is for McCarthy, the next five years will make the DJ Era seem like a paradise in the Alps. It will easily go down as the worst draft day decision in Giants history, and that is saying a lot given the ignominious track record of this franchise on draft day.
I still say the best thing for this team is to stay pat and let the draft come to us. We are at ground zero of the "Post DJ Era" rebuild. Giving up so many assets for a low floor high ceiling guy is a massive bet on a kid who will be anointed instantly as the savior of this franchise. Heavy shall be the head of Mr. Maye....
If you prefer staying put and you hate JJ, then you're basically saying you'd like more DJ.
You may not have noticed, but I have been the most prolific anti-DJ poster on this site since the moment he was drafted. Let me be clear. They should cut DJ as soon as he passes a physical. I am fine with Lock being the starter under Daboll's tutelage with Cutlets as the backup. And they should absolutely get the best quarterback in this draft at the most sensible point when value and opportunity present themselves, which they unquestionably will, in this draft.
Giving up two firsts and a second is way too expensive to move up three spots - for anybody. The Giants are bidding against themselves yet again for the umpteenth time in recent memory.
I agree, I would have called their bluff and taken Maye or JJM at 4. I like JJM more though, if you love Maye this is the only way to lock him up in Giants Blue.
It's the "falling in love" that I hate. This should be a dispassionate decision based on intellect, not emotion. I do like Maye very much because of his ceiling - at six. Which is precisely why I don't love JJM - at six. So I have a problem with the price tag of moving up for Maye and drafting JJM in the top ten.
So there is no reason to panic. Why? Because it should not be an emotional decision. If you can get Maye at four with a slight trade up that doesn't include the 2025 first round pick, then do it. If you can get JJM with a trade back, which is exactly what the Pats are trying to accomplish, then do that. If not, in either case, don't. Let the draft come to you and make sensible value/opportunity decisions.
I see your perspective, it seems as though Schdabs have extreme conviction in Maye and probably have for close to two years now ever since he started rollin in 2022. I predict the Patriots will make out very nicely in this as I believe in JJM, but I'm hoping Maye is all Schdabs hope and more if that's the way it goes.
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Still heavily favor giants first pick at WR
They don't know their ass from a hat... that WR ship has sailed.
Since I posted this the money has moved harder to favor a WR. From -230 to -280.
And sharp people betting money know - to put it mildly - way more than we do right now.
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Still heavily favor giants first pick at WR
They don't know their ass from a hat... that WR ship has sailed.
Since I posted this the money has moved harder to favor a WR. From -230 to -280.
And sharp people betting money know - to put it mildly - way more than we do right now.
And it’s now gone to -350.
It’s a WR for us tonight boys.
If this regime loves (insert QB) they have the right to do what it takes to get him. It’s their careers on the line.
If this regime loves (insert QB) they have the right to do what it takes to get him. It’s their careers on the line.
Those of us who have thought it was insane to pay up for QB4 all along are thrilled to be getting Nabers.
Looks like my granddaughter's date for her Junior Prom.
No, Seriously!!
Who knew Bradys ceiling was 50 TDs in a season? People even thought that Ryan Leaf was the big ceiling over Peyton
NFL QB is about whats between the ears and McCarthy has it in spades
He also throws it 65+ yards and 61 mph and have some great agility drills. The kid was offered a scholarship in 8th grade and was a 5 star top QB recruit
I think people pegging his so called “ceiling” are going on some very surface level analysis of him QBing a run heavy team
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I will never root against the Giants during the game, but that "win" is going to hurt.
What hurt was failing to trade Barkley for a medium Pepsi to the Ravens or Texans before the deadline. The near wins and near losses canceled out. The failure to trade Barkley was plain dumb.
You can't play the "what if" game with records.
"What if" Taylor did not make a bone head play at the last second of the half against the Bills and the REPEATED IT in the last seconds of the game.
You record is what it is. The "what ifs" even out.
He seems like a great fit for the Giants!
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Still heavily favor giants first pick at WR
They don't know their ass from a hat... that WR ship has sailed.
Since I posted this the money has moved harder to favor a WR. From -230 to -280.
And sharp people betting money know - to put it mildly - way more than we do right now.
And it’s now gone to -350.
It’s a WR for us tonight boys.
That's not a good sign.
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Still heavily favor giants first pick at WR
They don't know their ass from a hat... that WR ship has sailed.
Since I posted this the money has moved harder to favor a WR. From -230 to -280.
And sharp people betting money know - to put it mildly - way more than we do right now.
And it’s now gone to -350.
It’s a WR for us tonight boys.
That's not a good sign.
The pro gamblers and sharks bet in Vegas at spots that basically sponsor them because they spend so much. Most of those guys aren't on betting apps, that's based on people that are common fans with no inside Intel. I'd say these means nothing.
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I will never root against the Giants during the game, but that "win" is going to hurt.
What hurt was failing to trade Barkley for a medium Pepsi to the Ravens or Texans before the deadline. The near wins and near losses canceled out. The failure to trade Barkley was plain dumb.
You can't play the "what if" game with records.
"What if" Taylor did not make a bone head play at the last second of the half against the Bills and the REPEATED IT in the last seconds of the game.
You record is what it is. The "what ifs" even out.
I'm not sure if you're responding to me or the op? I said exactly what you're saying. We had 3 near wins and 3 near losses, they balanced out. The failure to trade Barkley was undoubtedly a mistake though.
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Up until now the chorus was do whatever it takes to get the QB. Now people are choking on the potential cost to move up.
If this regime loves (insert QB) they have the right to do what it takes to get him. It’s their careers on the line.
Those of us who have thought it was insane to pay up for QB4 all along are thrilled to be getting Nabers.
Who is “us?” You and 10 other fans?
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Still heavily favor giants first pick at WR
They don't know their ass from a hat... that WR ship has sailed.
Since I posted this the money has moved harder to favor a WR. From -230 to -280.
And sharp people betting money know - to put it mildly - way more than we do right now.
And it’s now gone to -350.
It’s a WR for us tonight boys.
That's not a good sign.
DK odds of a QB for giants first pick have come down. Was +175 now it’s +150.
Who knew Bradys ceiling was 50 TDs in a season? People even thought that Ryan Leaf was the big ceiling over Peyton
NFL QB is about whats between the ears and McCarthy has it in spades
He also throws it 65+ yards and 61 mph and have some great agility drills. The kid was offered a scholarship in 8th grade and was a 5 star top QB recruit
I think people pegging his so called “ceiling” are going on some very surface level analysis of him QBing a run heavy team
Sy said his ceiling was Joe Burrow.
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I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.
It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.
And if Schoen makes that promise and breaks it, no GM will ever trust him again.
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I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.
It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.
Fucking Patriots. They could truly transform their entire franchise with this trade if JJM is the dude and they make good picks. Mixed feelings.
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I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.
It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.
So Schoen knows 100% they want JJM. He better not get fleeced by paying much of anything more than traditional trade value which would be pick 6, 70, 107 and 2025 2nd.
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I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.
It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.
Makes sense they would want a guarantee on who they select at 3.
I heard it is 6, 70, 2025 1st and other picks involved. I am praying I don't have correct info since it isn't from a Giants person.
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I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.
It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.
So Schoen knows 100% they want JJM. He better not get fleeced by paying much of anything more than traditional trade value which would be pick 6, 70, 107 and 2025 2nd.
Throw in a free medium Pepsi and call it a night.
Interesting new stuff. Not bad.
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I'm not saying it is McCarthy, but BleedBlue46 made me go back and review what I was told. GoDeep13's post clouds this.
It will be Maye. It’s the only way Pats close the deal. We have to “promise” it’s for Maye.
So Schoen knows 100% they want JJM. He better not get fleeced by paying much of anything more than traditional trade value which would be pick 6, 70, 107 and 2025 2nd.
As long as they have conviction to trade up for a specific player I'm not concerned with the cost.
It fucking better not if Schoen is required to guarantee they don't take JJM and he knows the cost to guarantee JJM from pick 6, no reason to overpay. You're basically just paying a bit more than what you'd pay AZ for pick 4 to guarantee Minnesota can't do anything tricky.
The betting market is WR at pick 6 or WR for Giants
LittleBlue, we know you love DJ. It's ok buddy, breath!
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The betting markets are 25 steps ahead of whatever insider report you think you’re getting. It remains ~80% chance we’re going WR.
The betting market is WR at pick 6 or WR for Giants
WR for giants. Implied at about 80%+ chance.
There’s probably no trade coming.