1 - Mara made Schoen give DJ another year
Or
2 - Schoen and Daboll made the safe pick to save their asses which will ultimately be their end anyways.
Just my $.02. I’d much rather have the balls to whiff on a QB than bring in a diva WR with nobody to throw him the ball. We’ve seen this play before with OBJ. This just reeks of Mara butting in. Hope I’m wrong about it all and Nabers is the spark that this franchise needed. I’m just not seeing how this ends well. They’ll be reaching for a QB next year now.
Kill me if you want but it’s just my opinion.
Why keep wasting your time bringing in JJM multiple times to the point that he himself thought the Giants would be taking him? They drafted scared tonight in my opinion.
Respect your opinion. I hope you’re right.
John Mara called it one of the best QB classes in years. We didn’t take one.
This is Schoen & Daboll.
3 years and 17 draft picks so far and the only QB they have brought in was UDFA Tommy DeVito.
They gave Jones 4/160 and an injury clause.
This is on them. No excuses for Schoen & Daboll.
Sink or swim with Jones. Good luck.
+1
But I don't want to kill you.
John Mara called it one of the best QB classes in years. We didn’t take one.
This is Schoen & Daboll.
3 years and 17 draft picks so far and the only QB they have brought in was UDFA Tommy DeVito.
They gave Jones 4/160 and an injury clause.
This is on them. No excuses for Schoen & Daboll.
Sink or swim with Jones. Good luck.
If my job depended on DJ I’d be looking for a new one immediately.
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Giants wanted Maye, NE wanted a crazy haul that could cripple the franchise. Giants settled for what could be the best playmaker in the draft. Can’t force a pick.
Why keep wasting your time bringing in JJM multiple times to the point that he himself thought the Giants would be taking him? They drafted scared tonight in my opinion.
Smoke to make it less obvious they only wanted Maye. If they didn’t spend a lot of time with other prospects it makes it more obvious who they are targeting.
I hear JJM wowed in interviews. The Giants didn’t like him more than Nabers and he was used as a pawn. I’m sure a lot of players thought they would be Giants.
I’d be happily wrong if that happens and will gladly admit it.
QB hell is being bad, but never quite bad enough to be in striking range for a top QB. That's where we are.
My point is no one know what it would have taken to move up.
I trust schoen more than some. He’s not afraid of it’s the right price. He is stingy with draft picks. Look at what he did to get Burns.
Nabers can be dynamic. A change the game type player. While I agree a QB would have been great to get, maybe we weren’t in position to grab the guy he wanted.
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is that, without fail, they seem predicated on the fact that Jones is terrible and the team can't win with him, but somehow we'll never be bad enough that any QB we draft the following year won't be a reach.
QB hell is being bad, but never quite bad enough to be in striking range for a top QB. That's where we are.
There are self-styled fans of this team who actually say out loud that Daniel Jones is one of the worst QBs in the league. And they don't understand why anyone would consider that statement even slightly hyperbolic. If Daniel Jones is one of the worst QBs in the league, we shouldn't be that concerned about winning too many games.
Some people are only happy when they're miserable and on the hunt for reasons to become moreso. That describes some significant percentage of this fanbase.
Schoen literally said yesterday that he had 15 players with 1st rd grades. McCarthy wasn’t one of them. Neither was Nix or Penix.
Nabers might have been their highest rated player in the entire draft.
Or, crazy scenario I know, but Jones gets injured and his backup starts winning more games than Jones did.
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is that, without fail, they seem predicated on the fact that Jones is terrible and the team can't win with him, but somehow we'll never be bad enough that any QB we draft the following year won't be a reach.
QB hell is being bad, but never quite bad enough to be in striking range for a top QB. That's where we are.
There are self-styled fans of this team who actually say out loud that Daniel Jones is one of the worst QBs in the league. And they don't understand why anyone would consider that statement even slightly hyperbolic. If Daniel Jones is one of the worst QBs in the league, we shouldn't be that concerned about winning too many games.
Some people are only happy when they're miserable and on the hunt for reasons to become moreso. That describes some significant percentage of this fanbase.
In 2024 Daniel Jones WAS indeed the worst starting quarterback in the league. Not one of.. the absolute worst... and that's not self-styling... it's an absolute, mathematical fact.
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is that, without fail, they seem predicated on the fact that Jones is terrible and the team can't win with him, but somehow we'll never be bad enough that any QB we draft the following year won't be a reach.
QB hell is being bad, but never quite bad enough to be in striking range for a top QB. That's where we are.
There are self-styled fans of this team who actually say out loud that Daniel Jones is one of the worst QBs in the league. And they don't understand why anyone would consider that statement even slightly hyperbolic. If Daniel Jones is one of the worst QBs in the league, we shouldn't be that concerned about winning too many games.
Some people are only happy when they're miserable and on the hunt for reasons to become moreso. That describes some significant percentage of this fanbase.
Dude, the Giants have had 2 winning seasons in the last 11 years. They have the third worst record in the NFL in the last 10 years. Only the Jets have had a worse offense in the past 10 years. And you think that fans are unreasonable for being miserable?!?
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Giants wanted Maye, NE wanted a crazy haul that could cripple the franchise. Giants settled for what could be the best playmaker in the draft. Can’t force a pick.
Why keep wasting your time bringing in JJM multiple times to the point that he himself thought the Giants would be taking him? They drafted scared tonight in my opinion.
How is that a waste of time? I mean JFC let’s bitch and moan about bringing in a guy multiple times that they obviously wasn’t 100% sold on to make sure. I don’t care if they bring in someone 100 times if that’s what it takes to be sure either way. Some of y’all act like you’re paying the bill for the trip. I’m gonna guess they didn’t pick the guy you wanted so it must be they were scared
Dude, the Giants have had 2 winning seasons in the last 11 years. They have the third worst record in the NFL in the last 10 years. Only the Jets have had a worse offense in the past 10 years. And you think that fans are unreasonable for being miserable?!?
Unreasonable? No.
But if you actually read what I wrote, instead of basically proving my point by pretending I wrote something else, you'll notice I said they would rather be miserable than happy.
They are sick, broken people, and ever content to remain so.
They all sink or swim together.
They're probably going to sink, but I hope for the best.
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is that, without fail, they seem predicated on the fact that Jones is terrible and the team can't win with him, but somehow we'll never be bad enough that any QB we draft the following year won't be a reach.
QB hell is being bad, but never quite bad enough to be in striking range for a top QB. That's where we are.
There are self-styled fans of this team who actually say out loud that Daniel Jones is one of the worst QBs in the league. And they don't understand why anyone would consider that statement even slightly hyperbolic. If Daniel Jones is one of the worst QBs in the league, we shouldn't be that concerned about winning too many games.
Some people are only happy when they're miserable and on the hunt for reasons to become moreso. That describes some significant percentage of this fanbase.
Straight facts.
If Daboll can get Lock to take a "Josh Allen" leap and run the "non-remedial" offense that Daboll envisions, then we know we have something special in our head coach. Given that Lock has already been in the league for five years and it is well understood what he does well and doesn't do well at NFL speed, Lock is much more of a true test of Daboll's competence, than either JJM or Nix would have been at least in 2024, and given their lesser arm talent, maybe ever.
If Daboll can get Lock to take a "Josh Allen" leap and run the "non-remedial" offense that Daboll envisions, then we know we have something special in our head coach. Given that Lock has already been in the league for five years and it is well understood what he does well and doesn't do well at NFL speed, Lock is much more of a true test of Daboll's competence, than either JJM or Nix would have been at least in 2024, and given their lesser arm talent, maybe ever.
I gotta say, you make me feel better about the pick. You were vocal about not reaching for McCarthy and taking Nabers or Harrison.
I agree on Lock.
I would be happy but you realize that should be expected from a QB starting his sixth season making 40 million a year?
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is that, without fail, they seem predicated on the fact that Jones is terrible and the team can't win with him, but somehow we'll never be bad enough that any QB we draft the following year won't be a reach.
QB hell is being bad, but never quite bad enough to be in striking range for a top QB. That's where we are.
There are self-styled fans of this team who actually say out loud that Daniel Jones is one of the worst QBs in the league. And they don't understand why anyone would consider that statement even slightly hyperbolic. If Daniel Jones is one of the worst QBs in the league, we shouldn't be that concerned about winning too many games.
Some people are only happy when they're miserable and on the hunt for reasons to become moreso. That describes some significant percentage of this fanbase.
We have a bunch that have a little knowledge and are upset. Swallow your pride and realize that there are other ways to build a team than your way.
But the fans evaluate the GM & HC. And when they turn against them, people get fired. Ask Joe Judge.