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There had better be a legit QB competition this year

Greg from LI : 4/26/2024 2:03 am
First things first - disgusted as I am by the prospect of seeing Daniel Jones in a Giants uniform for yet another season, I love Nabers. He will be an All Pro once the Giants finally get a decent QB to throw to him.

That said…I don’t hold out a lot of hope for Drew Lock but the job has to open to him. The days of Jones being the anointed starter no matter what have got to be over. If Lock outplays Jones in camp and preseason, then he should start.
No  
BleedBlue : 4/26/2024 2:11 am : link
Won’t happen

Jones is the starter when healthy.

He is also better than lock so


The reality is I’m bummed too about the qb position but it’s gonna have to wait until next offseason

Hoping we add some more pieces next two days and roster in better shape next season. Then we add the QB in 2025
I wouldn't count on it  
Go Terps : 4/26/2024 2:12 am : link
Jones is the $47M man this year. He's ownership's guy, front office's guy, head coach's guy. They clearly believe in him. I didn't think that's disputable, whatever your opinion of Jones is.
*I don't think  
Go Terps : 4/26/2024 2:12 am : link
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My thoughts  
Darwinian : 4/26/2024 2:14 am : link
1. The draft isn't over. There are developmental QBs in this draft who have the potential to outplay Jones. Jones' level of play is a low bar.

2. Lock could definitely outplay Jones. He's better at the throwing part of the job. He was brought in for a reason. Daboll wants to air it out, and Jones is incapable of doing it.
If it is obvious to the coaching staff that Lock is the better QB  
Walker Gillette : 4/26/2024 2:24 am : link
or that Jones' injury is holding him back then Lock should start and I can't see a reason why they wouldn't do that.I don't buy for a second that if they went to Mara he would tell them to start Jones anyway. He didn't forbid Eli being removed and he is present at training camp much of the time so he would see it for himself.

If Jones can't beat out Lock at any time this year and play well then he will certainly be gone next year when his cap hit is far easier to digest. Mara wants to win and he's not that dense to just say Jones plays even though he is obviously playing poorly. He's been part of this team for what now 7 staring QBs, not counting injury replacements, he knows it's about the team's best interest not about the QBs.

He may not have the best instincts or catch on as quick as people like, but the Giants are his life not Daniel Jones, despite what some of the more delusional parts of the fanbase thinks.
RE: I wouldn't count on it  
Greg from LI : 4/26/2024 2:28 am : link
In comment 16489985 Go Terps said:
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Jones is the $47M man this year. He's ownership's guy, front office's guy, head coach's guy. They clearly believe in him. I didn't think that's disputable, whatever your opinion of Jones is.


Most likely true, though stomach churning
Taylor  
MyNameIsMyName : 4/26/2024 3:23 am : link
Would have been QB1 last year if there was a real competition. No way will that happen.
Taylor would not beat out Jones, now Drew Lock might  
George from PA : 4/26/2024 4:22 am : link
This site has over valued both Taylor and Cutlet.....and has destroyed Jones.....its crazy.

Like it or not....Jones did lead the Giants to the playoffs...and a playoff win.....discount it....but it is what it is
RE: I wouldn't count on it  
Big Rick in FL : 4/26/2024 4:58 am : link
In comment 16489985 Go Terps said:
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Jones is the $47M man this year. He's ownership's guy, front office's guy, head coach's guy. They clearly believe in him. I didn't think that's disputable, whatever your opinion of Jones is.


Here we go. Every post you make for the next year is gonna be you hitching about the Giants believing in Daniel Jones. Obviously they don't believe in him as they spent months scouting QBs while attempting to trade up to #1 overall and once that got shut down attempted to trade to #3 overall.

Just because they don't believe in JJ McCarthy, Michael Penix & Bo Nix enough to take them in the top 6 doesn't mean they believe in DJ.

Penix & Nix have bust written all over them. Two older QBs that weren't any good in conferences that actually play defense. One has a terrible injury history. They were only successful once they got to a conference that doesn't play defense at all and they had far superior talent to 90% of the teams they played. It's easy to have good numbers when you can sit in the pocket all day and not get get whole your WRs are running wide open down the field.
I dint want to hear what Jones makes  
UberAlias : 4/26/2024 6:14 am : link
They’ve spent the past two days doing everything they can trying to replace him. Daboll taking over the play calls. If Jones won’t attack down field, he won’t be the teams QB for long. Lock knows this. He had other options.
Unfortunately for some they think they are smarter than  
joe48 : 4/26/2024 6:29 am : link
anyone else in the room when it comes to football. They could be in for a long year. It is just a game. If your life revolves around BBI I feel sorry for you.
There is legit competition every year  
Milton : 4/26/2024 6:29 am : link
But of course it depends on what you mean by "legit" competition. Daboll will start the QB who gives the Giants the best chance to win on game day. That's his job. Yes, we've been Giants fans much longer than he has, but wins are still more important to him than they are to us. He won't be starting Jones over Lock because he prefers his smile, nor will he start Lock over Jones because BBI can't remember past yesterday.
Schoen has constantly said Jones is the starter when healthy  
Rick in Dallas : 4/26/2024 6:32 am : link
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The Giants promised Lock a fair shot at it.  
FStubbs : 4/26/2024 6:33 am : link
At least right now, it looks like they meant it.
RE:: Hey Terps  
5BowlsSoon : 4/26/2024 7:12 am : link
In comment 16489985 Go Terps said:
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Jones is the $47M man this year. He's ownership's guy, front office's guy, head coach's guy. They clearly believe in him. I didn't think that's disputable, whatever your opinion of Jones is.


I’m trying to get conversation on this kid- Jordan Travis of FSU. Why not draft him this year in the 4/5 rounds? I know he was injured, but certainly he can recover and the Giants can give him that time this first year. So lay it on me…I know you and bc from dc follow the college QBs very closely.
Lock could be the Giants  
RetroJint : 4/26/2024 8:40 am : link
Geno Smith . To date he hasn’t been good , but neither has he been terrible . And the last time I saw him play he seemed to sure have fun playing against Wink and the Giants . He realized instantly that Kayvon busted the quarters coverage on the TE at the sideline . He saw the right tree in the forest.

With that it’s also obvious that Schoen and Daboll wanted to stay with Jones for what is in essence a two-year deal , with an exit ramp provided after this season .
I don’t buy the insider’s take about John Mara’s alleged interference . He had his “I suck at this “ moment just as his father did . 100% Schoen-Daboll.
RE: Taylor  
Spider56 : 4/26/2024 9:14 am : link
In comment 16489997 MyNameIsMyName said:
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Would have been QB1 last year if there was a real competition. No way will that happen.


NFW. Tyrod is total trash.
And yet he outplayed Jones last year  
Greg from LI : 4/26/2024 9:14 am : link
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RE: Taylor  
section125 : 4/26/2024 9:19 am : link
In comment 16489997 MyNameIsMyName said:
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Would have been QB1 last year if there was a real competition. No way will that happen.


Taylor blew it throwing darts into the ground in pre-season for two years. I have never seen an pro QB miss open WRs by literally drilling the ball into the ground 2 to 3 yards short of an open receiver about 10% of the time.
Look I loved that TT was at least willing to throw deep, even if he was 5 yards short all the time...

FWIW, Lock was told he would have the chance to start - that was why he did not stay in Seattle.
Schoen not wedded to Jones  
bc4life : 4/26/2024 9:21 am : link
Draft order and other teams' needs prevented them from grabbing his replacement.
RE: I wouldn't count on it  
BigBlue7 : 4/26/2024 9:23 am : link
In comment 16489985 Go Terps said:
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Jones is the $47M man this year. He's ownership's guy, front office's guy, head coach's guy. They clearly believe in him. I didn't think that's disputable, whatever your opinion of Jones is.


Just go be a Falcons fan at this point.
RE: I wouldn't count on it  
Section331 : 4/26/2024 9:28 am : link
In comment 16489985 Go Terps said:
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Jones is the $47M man this year. He's ownership's guy, front office's guy, head coach's guy. They clearly believe in him. I didn't think that's disputable, whatever your opinion of Jones is.


I generally agree, although I think the FO’s “love” for Jones is very disputable. If Rico’s report is true that Schoen offered NE this year’s 6 and 47 picks as well as 2025 1st and 3rd rounders to get Maye, that doesn’t scream Jones love to me.
I also hope Lock gets a legit shot  
mfsd : 4/26/2024 9:29 am : link
I don't think he suddenly becomes Josh Allen, but I'd like to think Schoen and Daboll know that while they got a pass for a lousy year 2, they need to start winning games soon. That means playing the best guy

I also agree with those who doubt that will actually happen, but we'll see
QB competition  
TyreeHelmet : 4/26/2024 9:32 am : link
That's not happening- Jones is the guy in 2024 without question.

And people on here are way overhyping Drew Lock. He's a journeyman QB who just signed for 5 million who will be 28 this season. This isn't some exciting young prospect that many making him out to be.

Jones is the clear QB1 and they want to see him succeed. Lets now see it.
Doesn't take much to be a more exciting option than  
Greg from LI : 4/26/2024 9:33 am : link
Daniel fuckin' Jones
RE: Doesn't take much to be a more exciting option than  
Sean : 4/26/2024 9:34 am : link
In comment 16490734 Greg from LI said:
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Daniel fuckin' Jones

Greg, what would you have done? I'm curious. I believe you liked Penix, but you didn't seem high on either Maye or McCarthy if I recall.
RE: Lock could be the Giants  
rsjem1979 : 4/26/2024 9:35 am : link
In comment 16490430 RetroJint said:
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He had his “I suck at this “ moment just as his father did . 100% Schoen-Daboll.


Wellington had Pete Rozelle telling him "your family sucks at this".
I could roll the dice on Maye  
Greg from LI : 4/26/2024 9:42 am : link
I did think he has a reasonably high chance of busting. He has a lot of flaws, but he also has undeniable gifts. If you believe in Daboll as a QB mentor, take the shot.

McCarthy, no, not a fan of him in the top ten. Just don't think his ceiling is all that high.

I just am really disappointed that it looks for all the world that they're just going to trot out ol' Danny for year six of suckitude, and that Drew Lock was the best plan B they could think of. I haven't seen Lock play much, admittedly, but his history doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

What we need is a time machine to go back and rip up that Jones contract before his signature gets on it.
RE: No  
BigBlueShock : 4/26/2024 9:42 am : link
In comment 16489984 BleedBlue said:
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Won’t happen

Jones is the starter when healthy.

He is also better than lock so


The reality is I’m bummed too about the qb position but it’s gonna have to wait until next offseason

Hoping we add some more pieces next two days and roster in better shape next season. Then we add the QB in 2025

What the hell makes you so sure he’s better than Lock?
I don't care if its DJ, Lock or Devito  
Metnut : 4/26/2024 9:50 am : link
Whoever is most willing to throw deep and take the least amount of sacks should get the job. Would much rather see a high turnover but very explosive offense than the check down city garbage.
Yeah, competition.  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 4/26/2024 10:11 am : link
It's like trying to figure out who the tallest midget it.
Hahahaha  
Jerry in_DC : 4/26/2024 10:12 am : link
Competition? Might as well put a robe and a gavel in Daniel's locker. More job security than a Supreme Court Justice
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/26/2024 10:33 am : link
I think Lock would beat Jones in an open and fair QB competition.
Yeah Jones is definitely the guy...  
bc4life : 4/26/2024 11:18 am : link
They didn't try to move up to get a backup for Jones, they were looking to replace him.
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