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My Take, the Giants did their homework on the QBs.

George from PA : 4/26/2024 5:46 am
If the rumors of 6, 47 and the 1st pick in 2025 was true, it was a more than fair offer for Maye. IMO, too much for that player, a high ceiling, lower floor prospect for the QB and not an exact Josh Allen clone.

Besides, we knew...the possibility of the Giants could be blocked out of their QB. I am still confused by NE....as their behavior makes no sense...I want to trade out/ I am all in for this QB behavior seems dysfunctional....I am sure all 6 QBs taken will not be great NFL QBs.

It also is a clear indication that Jones with his injuries, his poor play and contract is replaceable and it is still likely on a very short leash. For all those Jones haters, he is on notice.

I think it was clear from his weird press conference, he knows he must step up in a big way.

Is Jones garbage...no. he did lead the Giants into the playoffs and a playoff win....you might want to forget and discount it.........unfortunately, his weakness "processing clock" tied with a bad OL...is not a great mix. Both must get better, period.

Drew Lock has all the tools. He had some nice moments last year. Has the light turned on? I hope so...He can become a good QB. He can be a legit competitor to Jones. A QB battle should occur. A Jones benching is possible...no more scholarships. I would not be surprise more QBs will be added.

How can anyone be upset with Nabers! The man plays at a different speed in the SEC. He is an elite player. Improves everyone in the WR room. Still young, but the weapons and potential is so much better.

Now, to fulfill their promise.....the QB must get it to them.

Daboll must have this offense ready. He can't assume the OL will improve...he can't accept poor QB play.

This team still has a ton of work. Schoen has a ton of work

Today is vital..... for all those, "ALL IN" for QB stop watching....as you do not have any premuim picks today and next year.

Go Giants!!!

Pretty much my take  
Giantophile : 4/26/2024 5:54 am : link
Jones is toast, the organization can know that AND still not use multiple high value assets to settle for a replacement they don't believe in.

For all the people livid they didn't get a QB: not any QB is the answer to the problem it has to be the right QB. If that player wasn't available to the Giants then you go get a premium player at a position of high value and that's what they did.

If they liked Maye enough they would have gotten him. True QB hell is trading 2 top 10 picks+ and spending 3-5 years developing another disappointing QB.

I look at it this way  
madeinstars : 4/26/2024 6:03 am : link
Most of the guys who are now crushing Schoen and Daboll for not taking JJ or Penix, would probably defend taking Penix or JJ by saying they trust Schoen and Daboll's ability to scout and develop QB's.

The simpel truth is: they did what they could to get Maye, it didn't work out and they just don't believe in the other QB's.

As much as I hate the prospect of watching another snap of DJ, that's just the cards we were dealt. The consolation prize is that we have a great prspect and a true WR1 to look forward too.

By the way, to all the crying about 'who is throwing him the ball': If Zach Wilson could get Garret Wilson a 1,000 yards, Jones can get Nabers a 1,000 too.
I think  
Gman11 : 4/26/2024 6:21 am : link
that unless they were going to get one of the top 3, they were staying put.

Reason 1. Shoen saying that the team wasn't one player away. They couldn't afford to empty the draft vault to move up. When the first three QBs were taken, they were satisfied with an electric WR that might make Jones look better.

Reason 2. Drew Lock. They couldn't jettison Jones contract so he wasn't going anywhere. DeVito is a practice squad/emergency QB. If they were going to draft a QB, what did they need Lock for? Would they have put Daniels/Maye/McCarthey or whoever on the practice squad? No. Would they have put Lock on the practice squad while paying him $5million? No.
That's a fair post  
Sean : 4/26/2024 6:24 am : link
Here's where I pushback though:

-Do you trust Sean Payton's opinion on QBs?
-Do you trust Kevin O'Connell's opinion on QBs?

They are both smart offensive minds who DID like the QBs. Penix picked in the top ten!

This was a historic QB class and the Giants told us that McCarthy, Penix & Nix weren't good enough. Other teams felt they were worth top 15 picks.

We'll see.
Keep an eye out for Rattler  
UberAlias : 4/26/2024 6:25 am : link
He’s the last of the QBs the did a 30 visit on.
Honestly, Rattler was the best QB all week at the Senior Bowl and  
Rick in Dallas : 4/26/2024 6:29 am : link
Threw the ball well at the Combine.
Also have interest in Michael Pratt.
It is also possible that the Pats  
kdog77 : 4/26/2024 6:37 am : link
wanted Maye and were just chumming the water to see if any team would bite if Maye went 2nd overall.

The fact that Minnesota was willing to wait until the 10th pick to swap with the Jets to get JJ McCarthy destroys most of the credibility of these pre-draft hype pundits predicting trades with every team in front of them. I guess these "analysts" are just blowing their own smoke for clicks.

Agree 100% with Sean's take...  
Chris in LA : 4/26/2024 6:38 am : link
In some ways, it was bolder NOT to take a QB here, given how several other teams felt about it. But as noted, we shall see.

The one thing that I hope did not happen.... they got spooked about 'reaching' for their third or fourth choice, and were haunted by the memory of another (actual) reach at #6, just a few years ago. Obviously I'm speculating, but hoping that the Jones pick wasn't lurking in their minds and causing them to hesitate again.

But I love Nabers and if the value wasn't there to trade down, I can't attack them for not overreaching if they didn't value one of the QBs at that pick. They certainly did their homework. We're just hostage to their ability to scout/evaluate, and the jury is still out on that.
They tried  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/26/2024 6:38 am : link
It just didn't work out. Daboll still has to get a bunch of wins and consistently show his team is prepared and very competitive.

If not, a new HC will come in and they will try again for a QB if needed (most likely) over the next couple of years.
RE: That's a fair post  
Mike in NY : 4/26/2024 6:47 am : link
In comment 16490053 Sean said:
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Here's where I pushback though:

-Do you trust Sean Payton's opinion on QBs?
-Do you trust Kevin O'Connell's opinion on QBs?

They are both smart offensive minds who DID like the QBs. Penix picked in the top ten!

This was a historic QB class and the Giants told us that McCarthy, Penix & Nix weren't good enough. Other teams felt they were worth top 15 picks.

We'll see.


Neither Minnesota nor Denver had a Malik Nabers level talent. Jury is still out on KOC as he did force out Cousins who took them to the playoffs and none of the pieces they brought in when he went down last year looked better than Mike White. We got more sustained success from Tommy Cutlets.
Can’t believe a 2025 1st was offered too  
5BowlsSoon : 4/26/2024 6:47 am : link
I really didn’t want to lose that pick as well, and I’m not sure Maye is worth it. Pennix is 24 years old with a long history of I juries- no thanks. JJ I may not even be better than Lock, especially if Lock is maturing while being in the league a few years.

And I LOVE NABERS.
Im glad they did their HW  
HardTruth : 4/26/2024 6:54 am : link
So there can be no excuses if it doesn’t work out how they thought
I am not sure all QBs fit all systems....  
George from PA : 4/26/2024 7:10 am : link
You prepare a draft board for a reason.....the Giants felt a special WR was better than a less special QB.

You also might not like this answer.....but Viking and Denver QB position is worse than the Giants...
RE: I am not sure all QBs fit all systems....  
HardTruth : 4/26/2024 7:36 am : link
In comment 16490118 George from PA said:
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You prepare a draft board for a reason.....the Giants felt a special WR was better than a less special QB.

You also might not like this answer.....but Viking and Denver QB position is worse than the Giants...


The best part of sports is that it gets proven on the field. We shall see about that now wont we?
I keep coming back to the tidbit about Maye last week  
j_rud : 4/26/2024 8:10 am : link
about the difference between how he and Allen are viewed. It was a comment about how folks were more comfortable with Allen being raw bc he never had a QB coach. Maye meanwhile was that raw and inconsistent while having good coaching in a premier conference. It's interesting interesting distinction and possibly why they liked but didn't love.
I keep coming back to the tidbit about Maye last week  
j_rud : 4/26/2024 8:14 am : link
about the difference between how he and Allen are viewed. It was a comment about how folks were more comfortable with Allen being raw bc he never had a QB coach. Maye meanwhile was that raw and inconsistent while having good coaching in a premier conference. It's interesting interesting distinction and possibly why they liked but didn't love.
RE: That's a fair post  
bLiTz 2k : 4/26/2024 8:19 am : link
In comment 16490053 Sean said:
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Here's where I pushback though:

-Do you trust Sean Payton's opinion on QBs?
-Do you trust Kevin O'Connell's opinion on QBs?

They are both smart offensive minds who DID like the QBs. Penix picked in the top ten!

This was a historic QB class and the Giants told us that McCarthy, Penix & Nix weren't good enough. Other teams felt they were worth top 15 picks.

We'll see.


Sean payton and Kevin oconnel aren't the coaches here.

It's IRRELAVENT. The line of thinking is asinine.
I have no idea which of these 6 QB will be great  
George from PA : 4/26/2024 8:19 am : link
Historic draft yes.....Historic QB class....not yet anyway....they have proven nothing in the NFL.

I am sure every coach and personal person making the selections last night know more than me.....but yet, I pretty sure not all 6 QB will be great.


Besides, I love the WR the Giants selected.
“Is Jones garbage?”  
Greg from LI : 4/26/2024 8:36 am : link
Yes, he absolutely is
Out of all the QBs  
Sammo85 : 4/26/2024 8:38 am : link
I think Maye went to the worst situation for a QB in terms of roster, coaching, supporting cast. I think deck is stacked against him.
RE: I keep coming back to the tidbit about Maye last week  
Greg from LI : 4/26/2024 8:56 am : link
In comment 16490332 j_rud said:
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about the difference between how he and Allen are viewed. It was a comment about how folks were more comfortable with Allen being raw bc he never had a QB coach. Maye meanwhile was that raw and inconsistent while having good coaching in a premier conference. It's interesting interesting distinction and possibly why they liked but didn't love.


Good coaching? Nah. Mack Brown is a fantastic recruiter but a lousy coach, and his staff is nothing to write home about.
RE: RE: That's a fair post  
section125 : 4/26/2024 9:08 am : link
In comment 16490347 bLiTz 2k said:
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In comment 16490053 Sean said:


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Here's where I pushback though:

-Do you trust Sean Payton's opinion on QBs?
-Do you trust Kevin O'Connell's opinion on QBs?

They are both smart offensive minds who DID like the QBs. Penix picked in the top ten!

This was a historic QB class and the Giants told us that McCarthy, Penix & Nix weren't good enough. Other teams felt they were worth top 15 picks.

We'll see.



Sean payton and Kevin oconnel aren't the coaches here.

It's IRRELAVENT. The line of thinking is asinine.


The same Payton that traded the moon for a washed up Russ Wilson and paid him a fortune then cut him? That guy?
Two factions in the front office  
HomerJones45 : 4/26/2024 9:08 am : link
One loves Jones; the other does not. They reached a compromise- explore a trade provided the price wasn't "too much"" and get one of the top 3. Failing that, take one of the wideouts cuz poor Daniel never had weapons, "we've done everything we can to ruin him" and some reputations have to be salvaged with that idiotic contract and then spend a day 2 pick on a qb. I suppose Lock can be considered the day 2 pick.
RE: RE: I keep coming back to the tidbit about Maye last week  
j_rud : 4/26/2024 9:10 am : link
In comment 16490511 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 16490332 j_rud said:


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about the difference between how he and Allen are viewed. It was a comment about how folks were more comfortable with Allen being raw bc he never had a QB coach. Maye meanwhile was that raw and inconsistent while having good coaching in a premier conference. It's interesting interesting distinction and possibly why they liked but didn't love.



Good coaching? Nah. Mack Brown is a fantastic recruiter but a lousy coach, and his staff is nothing to write home about.


Comparable to Wyoming? Asking in earnest.
Sure, UNC's coaches are likely better than what Allen had at Wyoming  
Greg from LI : 4/26/2024 9:12 am : link
But it's not like Jones playing three years for Cutcliffe, either.
RE: Honestly, Rattler was the best QB all week at the Senior Bowl and  
Spider56 : 4/26/2024 9:15 am : link
In comment 16490060 Rick in Dallas said:
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Threw the ball well at the Combine.
Also have interest in Michael Pratt.


Rattler is a true wild card… total enigma; but when he’s on, he’s very very good.
RE: RE: I keep coming back to the tidbit about Maye last week  
Spider56 : 4/26/2024 9:17 am : link
In comment 16490511 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 16490332 j_rud said:


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about the difference between how he and Allen are viewed. It was a comment about how folks were more comfortable with Allen being raw bc he never had a QB coach. Maye meanwhile was that raw and inconsistent while having good coaching in a premier conference. It's interesting interesting distinction and possibly why they liked but didn't love.



Good coaching? Nah. Mack Brown is a fantastic recruiter but a lousy coach, and his staff is nothing to write home about.


This is 100% fact. Mack has been toast since he got booted out of Austin.
So they did their homework on the QB’s,  
Section331 : 4/26/2024 9:21 am : link
but you think their offer for Kaye was too rich? I think you’re undercutting your own “homework” argument. Look, I give them credit for not reaching for a QB they weren’t sold on, but the fact that they were willing to spend that much (I read that there was an additional 2025 3rd rd pick as well) should tell us that Jones’s days are numbered.
RE: RE: RE: That's a fair post  
Walnuts : 4/26/2024 10:33 am : link
In comment 16490578 section125 said:
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In comment 16490347 bLiTz 2k said:


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In comment 16490053 Sean said:


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Here's where I pushback though:

-Do you trust Sean Payton's opinion on QBs?
-Do you trust Kevin O'Connell's opinion on QBs?

They are both smart offensive minds who DID like the QBs. Penix picked in the top ten!

This was a historic QB class and the Giants told us that McCarthy, Penix & Nix weren't good enough. Other teams felt they were worth top 15 picks.

We'll see.



Sean payton and Kevin oconnel aren't the coaches here.

It's IRRELAVENT. The line of thinking is asinine.



The same Payton that traded the moon for a washed up Russ Wilson and paid him a fortune then cut him? That guy?


No, not that guy… Wilson got traded to the Broncos a year before Payton was there
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