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What Happened??? (Asshats)

Jaenyg : 4/26/2024 7:16 am
I am fully aware that situations are fluid and there is a risk to putting stock into asshat reports.

But the way things materialized yesterday with separate, but similar time of day input, from Rico and GD, it suggested a done deal. Eric even decided to post the updates in their own thread, usually he lets asshatery be hidden in other threads.

Something happened that we have yet to hear about and maybe never will. I don’t think I buy that a deal was struck and then rescinded. I am curious if Joe outted a mole yesterday.

It was pointed out elsewhere  
Mike in NY : 4/26/2024 7:18 am : link
Some combination of New England balking for more and ownership scuttling any increase
Perhaps  
leatherneck570 : 4/26/2024 7:18 am : link
As Eric said, they leaked info to find the mole.
I think  
Sammo85 : 4/26/2024 7:22 am : link
they thought they had an in on the trade. Deals fall through all the time. Pats wanted a godfather package. Their owners also have a spoiled fanbase that checked out hard last few years. QB picks spring hope and investment.

I don’t buy the other nonsense or gibberish in Stars and Stripes thread about Jones and Mara.

The only real outcome is we found out they didn’t have a superior grade on McCarthy.

This had nothing to do with Daniel Jones.
I’m sure  
Jaenyg : 4/26/2024 7:22 am : link
We have been in discussions for 3 for some time now. At some point yesterday, 2 asshats were fed info indicating it’s a done deal.

If there really was an agreement and either the Pats came back and said no fuck you we want more or Mara chimed in and said, never mind; both these scenarios are fucked up.

Big Blue Banter  
Rjanyg : 4/26/2024 7:25 am : link
Just said Giants offered 2024 1, 47 and 2025 1 and got denied.
What I’m asking  
Jaenyg : 4/26/2024 7:26 am : link
Is what happened to the point that 2 separate asshats at the same time said “it’s done”. Of course we have been negotiating for days or weeks at this point, but at 3:00 ish yesterday, something indicated to Rico and GD that it was finalized. They are not posting what they did because a deal is still being worked out. They posted because they were told “it’s done”.

Maybe they have the same source and the source jumped the gun a lil bit. Could be that simple.
NE was never trading their pick  
Essex : 4/26/2024 7:27 am : link
They have no QB and they obviously liked Maye. Any other interpretation is just not logical. Thank Tommy Cutlets that we are stuck with Danny Dimes
lol what happened ?  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/26/2024 7:28 am : link

We don’t need any so called “asshats” to know what happened last night.

The Patriots needed a QB, just as bad as the Giants and were in position to get the one they wanted. If they were to ever consider moving off #3, it was going to have to be a deal that absolutely knocked their socks off. IE 3 #1’s and some change. Too rich for the Giants blood. So here we are.
I believe JonC & Rico  
Sean : 4/26/2024 7:29 am : link
Even someone like Woodstock. But people who over share I'm less likely to believe. Until deals are done, nothing is done.
at 3PM, it was a done deal - all parties in agreement  
stoneman : 4/26/2024 7:30 am : link
at 7PM, Pats add more. SD pulled the same shite with the Eli trade that year, adding Umenyiora once on the clock. It's the art of the deal.
What we learned  
Sammo85 : 4/26/2024 7:31 am : link
Is the asshats who told us no dice on McCarthy were correct.
I said the Giants  
Giants : 4/26/2024 7:31 am : link
Will not be picking a QB.Some got upset. It's fine BBI has a rep for going crazy.
If NE was never dealing  
Jaenyg : 4/26/2024 7:31 am : link
Why did 2 separate asshats, who have proven multiple times in the past, that they have legit inside knowledge, post at 3:00 that a deal was done.

If NE was never dealing, then the only logical explanation is asshatery is a BBI hoax. Is that what you are suggesting?
RE: If NE was never dealing  
Essex : 4/26/2024 7:32 am : link
In comment 16490174 Jaenyg said:
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Why did 2 separate asshats, who have proven multiple times in the past, that they have legit inside knowledge, post at 3:00 that a deal was done.

If NE was never dealing, then the only logical explanation is asshatery is a BBI hoax. Is that what you are suggesting?


Because they got bad info. It happens.
RE: NE was never trading their pick  
nochance : 4/26/2024 7:33 am : link
In comment 16490157 Essex said:
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They have no QB and they obviously liked Maye. Any other interpretation is just not logical. Thank Tommy Cutlets that we are stuck with Danny Dimes



Tommy Cutlets had nothing to do with it. He managed the game and the Giants were much more healthy and playing mostly horrible teams
I could be wrong  
Jaenyg : 4/26/2024 7:34 am : link
But I thought Rico was batting .1000. That’s why he doesn’t post often, but when he does, it’s certified gold. Maybe I got that wrong.
I thank the asshats for their work  
HardTruth : 4/26/2024 7:34 am : link
But at this point, what difference does it make what happened?
I think people…  
Chris in Philly : 4/26/2024 7:35 am : link
need to stop accepting what anonymous people on the internet tell them as gospel…
RE: RE: NE was never trading their pick  
Essex : 4/26/2024 7:35 am : link
In comment 16490180 nochance said:
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In comment 16490157 Essex said:


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They have no QB and they obviously liked Maye. Any other interpretation is just not logical. Thank Tommy Cutlets that we are stuck with Danny Dimes




Tommy Cutlets had nothing to do with it. He managed the game and the Giants were much more healthy and playing mostly horrible teams


He literally beat Washington and NE. And yes I was being facetious about Tommy Cutlets, but that whole 15 minutes of having fun cost us possibly a decade of a good qb
Now that I go back and read it  
Jaenyg : 4/26/2024 7:37 am : link
All Rico said was “looks like Maye at 3”
RE: Big Blue Banter  
BillT : 4/26/2024 7:38 am : link
In comment 16490149 Rjanyg said:
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Just said Giants offered 2024 1, 47 and 2025 1 and got denied.

If this is true then they did the right thing taking Nabers. That’s a fair offer.
RE: I think people…  
Jaenyg : 4/26/2024 7:38 am : link
In comment 16490185 Chris in Philly said:
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need to stop accepting what anonymous people on the internet tell them as gospel…


Fair enough. I didn’t make any bets based off this info 😊.

I’m just curious if there is more to the story.
RE: I think people…  
ThreePoints : 4/26/2024 7:40 am : link
In comment 16490185 Chris in Philly said:
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need to stop accepting what anonymous people on the internet tell them as gospel…


That, and "reading between the lines" about what reporters report and treating that as gospel.

"Sources tell me the Giants like a QB" all the sudden turns into, "It's confirmed the Giants are making a deal to trade up and take a QB. Mara must have blessed this."
Rico said “Maye at 3”  
Jaenyg : 4/26/2024 7:41 am : link
And GD said “inevitable”

Maybe we heard what we wanted to hear.
RE: I think people…  
Mike from Ohio : 4/26/2024 7:41 am : link
In comment 16490185 Chris in Philly said:
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need to stop accepting what anonymous people on the internet tell them as gospel…


If I followed this advice I would never have been this close to a windfall of money from a guy in Nigeria that I have never even met.

Sometimes a stranger is a friend you just haven’t met.
RE: lol what happened ?  
Beer Man : 4/26/2024 7:42 am : link
In comment 16490162 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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We don’t need any so called “asshats” to know what happened last night.

The Patriots needed a QB, just as bad as the Giants and were in position to get the one they wanted. If they were to ever consider moving off #3, it was going to have to be a deal that absolutely knocked their socks off. IE 3 #1’s and some change. Too rich for the Giants blood. So here we are.
+1. This seems like the most logical reason. People want a scapegoat for the draft not going the way they wanted, so I guess Mara is as good as any. But the team has many holes to fill, needs as many draft picks as possible, and I'm sure that JS and company know they are more than a year and more than a QB away.
I find the outing the mole theory...  
Jim in Tampa : 4/26/2024 7:42 am : link
to be hilarious. Word can get out from dozens of people on either side of a proposed transaction. I find it really hard to believe that the Giants were focused on coming up with a bogus draft story to out a mole, rather than concentrating on drafting good players.

As far as the "asshats", I find their posts to be entertaining, but I take them with a big grain of salt. It's too easy for people who want attention to make shit up and then later tell us, that the deal fell apart or that the Giants must have changed their minds at the last minute.
Again  
Jaenyg : 4/26/2024 7:44 am : link
Rico doesn’t miss. He’s not a “sometimes” asshat. I suspect we all misinterpreted what he said.
lol at people  
pjcas18 : 4/26/2024 7:48 am : link
blaming DeVito, just be fortunate Tyrod Taylor didn't start more games or the Giants may have lost out on Nabors.
Lots of chatter  
fkap : 4/26/2024 7:50 am : link
that Giants were trying to move up. Lots of chatter that NE was listening.

And then 'confirmation' that the sides had a deal in place. Also talk about an AZ deal being in place.

And then...nothing. NE said no thanks, with the spin now being that they were dangling for the big haul. Yeah, this was the pre-story. There's a disconnect between NE looking for the big haul, and the done deal not being close.

It's understandable that deals go south. That the draft doesn't go as planned. Except the draft went as planned, but there was no deal to go bad. Absolutely nothing changed to kill the deal.

The deal was always Schoen pressing hard for a trade, but he either was blocked by his own owner, or NE. IF Mara put a limit on the trade, this was already known.

Doesn't sound like there was ever a deal, but rather that asshats were looking to make a name for themselves. Note that the historic asshats worth listening to didn't go overboard. It was all the newer asshats who went for the kill.

I love asshats. It's part of the excitement for draft day. But it's a big drop from 'tune in at pick 3' to 'nothing to see here'. Some tried hard to be THE big asshat for the season, and failed.
RE: I could be wrong  
JCassmen : 4/26/2024 7:53 am : link
In comment 16490181 Jaenyg said:
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But I thought Rico was batting .1000. That’s why he doesn’t post often, but when he does, it’s certified gold. Maybe I got that wrong.


That's worse than the Mendoza line, 1 out of 10
RE: lol at people  
Essex : 4/26/2024 7:53 am : link
In comment 16490228 pjcas18 said:
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blaming DeVito, just be fortunate Tyrod Taylor didn't start more games or the Giants may have lost out on Nabors.


I am not blaming DeVito, he did his job and good for him. I am blaming our stupid reactions to winning meaningless games like we won the Super Bowl. Treating him and his agent like the Kardashians etc and last night we saw the real life effect of that 15 minutes of fame. DeVito did what he was supposed to do, we all acted a little over the top with it though.
I’m not talking about Stars and Stripes  
Jaenyg : 4/26/2024 7:53 am : link
Rico ain’t a newb.
I called that BS  
Fifty Six : 4/26/2024 7:54 am : link
in real time 😁
RE: RE: lol at people  
pjcas18 : 4/26/2024 7:55 am : link
In comment 16490243 Essex said:
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In comment 16490228 pjcas18 said:


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blaming DeVito, just be fortunate Tyrod Taylor didn't start more games or the Giants may have lost out on Nabors.



I am not blaming DeVito, he did his job and good for him. I am blaming our stupid reactions to winning meaningless games like we won the Super Bowl. Treating him and his agent like the Kardashians etc and last night we saw the real life effect of that 15 minutes of fame. DeVito did what he was supposed to do, we all acted a little over the top with it though.


That was an awkward "15 minutes" for sure.
DIdn't Rico say  
Sy'56 : 4/26/2024 7:55 am : link
Pats had Maye behind Penix and Nix?
I don't think Rico  
fkap : 4/26/2024 8:00 am : link
proclaimed the trade.
He, and several others, said Maye was the target, and stuck with that (although JJM was raised as being in the picture). I think wanting Maye was a very poorly kept secret.

Wanting to trade up for Maye (or even higher) was well known.
Not sure what the issue with the intel is  
UConn4523 : 4/26/2024 8:02 am : link
the price either changed or was too high and we moved on. Sounds like that happened to numerous teams yesterday.
RE: Not sure what the issue with the intel is  
Sean : 4/26/2024 8:04 am : link
In comment 16490283 UConn4523 said:
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the price either changed or was too high and we moved on. Sounds like that happened to numerous teams yesterday.

The issue is the Mara spin which I find so tiresome.
Maybe the deal  
Beer Man : 4/26/2024 8:05 am : link
we heard about was only good until the Patriots finished their pancakes.
Maybe when Rico said “looks like Maye at 3”  
Jaenyg : 4/26/2024 8:05 am : link
He meant, that’s who our target was if a deal was struck, which was disputing GD who was claiming Giants were targeting JJ.

I may be mixing Rico up with another asshat who only posts 100% info and it’s usually not that often and it’s usually only minutes before it happens.

Or we misinterpreted.

Regardless, my hopes were elevated for a few hours yesterday.

I’m excited about Nabers, but like others, I just can’t fathom another season of excuses why DJ doesn’t produce. I’m sure Nabers only being a rookie will be a common one from the DJFC.
They were fed the wrong sentiment or non-final intel  
ThomasG : 4/26/2024 8:08 am : link
and it went down a different way in the end. Not their fault.

Besides, it was good entertainment for many nonetheless.
RE: I think  
SomeFan : 4/26/2024 8:09 am : link
In comment 16490141 Sammo85 said:
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they thought they had an in on the trade. Deals fall through all the time. Pats wanted a godfather package. Their owners also have a spoiled fanbase that checked out hard last few years. QB picks spring hope and investment.

I don’t buy the other nonsense or gibberish in Stars and Stripes thread about Jones and Mara.

The only real outcome is we found out they didn’t have a superior grade on McCarthy.

This had nothing to do with Daniel Jones.
I think this had a lot to do with the Jones contract.
The Pats were never trading Back unless they  
ZogZerg : 4/26/2024 8:10 am : link
Got some insane draft comp or they actually liked JJ better. They must have had those 2 rated closely.

There was probably mixed opinions in their war room, and finally one group won out.

The Giants weren't giving crazy comp.
As it has been from the beginning...  
Vin_Cuccs : 4/26/2024 8:12 am : link
Joe Schoen can want to move up as badly as he wants to, but if he has an unwilling partner, nothing can be done.

It sounds like New England had set an unrealistic price on pick #3 and no one (including the Giants) was willing to meet that demand.

Schoen didn't overreact, didn't reach, and stayed true to his board.

As much as I wanted a QB, I am very happy with the process and that Schoen did not let the pressure control the situation.

Now for the next question...where are they going to find a QB?
RE: As it has been from the beginning...  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/26/2024 8:16 am : link
In comment 16490320 Vin_Cuccs said:
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Joe Schoen can want to move up as badly as he wants to, but if he has an unwilling partner, nothing can be done.

It sounds like New England had set an unrealistic price on pick #3 and no one (including the Giants) was willing to meet that demand.

Schoen didn't overreact, didn't reach, and stayed true to his board.

As much as I wanted a QB, I am very happy with the process and that Schoen did not let the pressure control the situation.

Now for the next question...where are they going to find a QB?


"Where are they gonna find a QB?"

What do you mean? They already did in Drew Lock. That is the QB room for this season. Lock, Jones, and Devitto. That's it.
I should say, maybe they draft a QB in later rounds,  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/26/2024 8:17 am : link
or sign an undrafted rookie free agent after the draft. But Lock, Jones, and Devitto are the 'meat and potatoes' of the QB room this year.
RE: at 3PM, it was a done deal - all parties in agreement  
Stu11 : 4/26/2024 8:21 am : link
In comment 16490170 stoneman said:
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at 7PM, Pats add more. SD pulled the same shite with the Eli trade that year, adding Umenyiora once on the clock. It's the art of the deal.

This. For the "you pay whatever you have to for a franchise QB look at the Eli trade" crowd, thats not how it went down at all. SD was holding out for 2 major things- Osi and the Giants 2nd rounder that year which was the first pick of the 2nd rd. Accorsi held his ground and kept both while getting Eli. It was a much different situation as the Giants pick was #4 not 6 and SD liked Rivers almost as much as Eli so getting the future #1 worked well for them. This was a totally different situation last night. You have to put a limit on what you trade for a guy like Drake Maye. The guy is not a Peyton/Eli Manning/Lawrence/Roethlesberger level prospect. listen if this year doesn't go well we get the QB next off season. Because of those late season wins it wasn't in the cards this year. Most any other year it would have been but it just so happnes you had 3 QB desperate teams at the top of the draft which almost never happens.
I like the asshats  
Jerry in_DC : 4/26/2024 8:23 am : link
Yesterday afternoon was a brief respite of hope amongst the extended bleakness that is the Giants franchise. Probably the best you could feel about the organization in 10 years. It was wrong, but it was fun for a few hours.

Now back to talking about 2025 draft position...
Whatever  
AcidTest : 4/26/2024 8:30 am : link
happened, I don't blame the "asshats." They gave the best information they had, and I appreciate their input. Deals unravel all the time. But as I and others said, #6, #47, and our #1 next year would likely not be enough to get a deal done, and it wasn't. Somebody last night said the Giants offered #6, #70, our #1 next year and several other picks and were denied because NE wanted another first round pick. I never wanted to move up for Maye anyway, not coming off his subpar 2023 season, so I'm glad the Giants didn't get a deal done, certainly not at the cost NE was seeking.
RE: I like the asshats  
RDJR : 4/26/2024 8:34 am : link
In comment 16490364 Jerry in_DC said:
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Yesterday afternoon was a brief respite of hope amongst the extended bleakness that is the Giants franchise. Probably the best you could feel about the organization in 10 years. It was wrong, but it was fun for a few hours.

Now back to talking about 2025 draft position...


So true. I was on top of the world from about 3pm until our pick. Then doldrums again.
RE: Maybe when Rico said “looks like Maye at 3”  
fkap : 4/26/2024 8:35 am : link
In comment 16490291 Jaenyg said:
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He meant, that’s who our target was if a deal was struck, which was disputing GD who was claiming Giants were targeting JJ.

I may be mixing Rico up with another asshat who only posts 100% info and it’s usually not that often and it’s usually only minutes before it happens.

Or we misinterpreted.

Regardless, my hopes were elevated for a few hours yesterday.

I’m excited about Nabers, but like others, I just can’t fathom another season of excuses why DJ doesn’t produce. I’m sure Nabers only being a rookie will be a common one from the DJFC.


He followed that up with 'no trade if Maye is taken' (paraphrased, but close).

DJ now has the best excuse ever. Injuries have robbed him of a promising career. The neck injury may be affecting his throwing motion. Whether it's true doesn't matter.

Mole hunt  
GFAN52 : 4/26/2024 8:37 am : link
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