To you who have read my game threads, you know my normal disclaimer. Feel free to add your own thoughts, argue with mine, etc...
Though we did not manage to move up to 3 to draft Drake Maye it seemed to be confirmed by both Asshats and beats alike that we did try. Unfortunately, it seems that New England's price was too high so we passed. Some are happy about that, some are not.
This brings us to pick 6 where things seemingly had fell our way. Nabers, Odunze and McCarthy were all available. For those who liked McCarthy him sitting there at 6 was a dream scenario, we'd be able to get a QB without wasting picks to move up. Unfortunately for that crowd we had a question answered, no, apparently the Giants did not like J.J. McCarthy and the pick was Malik Nabers, making many mock drafters feel smart as he was the most common pick in most mocks all off-season.
As is typical with me, I react, think things over and write these threads, so here we are Friday morning with a new toy. How do I feel?
For starters, I did like McCarthy and felt he had as good as a chance of any to be a franchise QB, I also felt he had a skill set Daboll could work with. I was a little shocked we didn't take him, but in retrospect we likely wouldn't have driven so hard for Maye (my top choice) if we liked McCarthy too. We didn't take him, its done and its over.
Nabers is a great player, if we weren't going to take a QB I think we all knew the options were WR or trade down. I would have supported a trade down too, but agree that Nabers is a blue chip talent. There is an argument we should have taken the QB, there is an argument we should have traded down, but there isn't an argument that Nabers wasn't well worth this pick. He was a very good player for LSU and I feel he will be here too, he also fits our offensive system very well.
While I can speak glowingly about Nabers I felt let down by this pick. As I thought about it, the realization that this signified we'd have to sit through at least one more season as Daniel Jones as QB and that's what was bringing a negative air to this as a fan. Schoen was quick to mention how Daniel was excited about Malik in his presser, I think that was a massive gaff on his part as I'm not sure he/Mara realize how ready this franchise is to move on from Jones.
Many have questioned who's going to throw Nabers the ball, this is a valid question. Bad OL or not, when Jones was playing last year, you can go back to the film and find him missing open receivers all over the place. However draft picks are long term, so if we get a new QB next season, he'll have at least 4 years of Nabers.
The end of the day is that this pick is both good and bad:
Its good because he's a good player with the potential to be great, I have 0 issues with his talent and he could have gone 4th to AZ without anyone batting an eye.
Its bad because of what I said above, there's remnants to an old regime all over this roster with the biggest and most impactful being Daniel Jones. Nabers pick means Jones survives another year, or at least likely does (Do we love Rattler/Milton???).
Moving forward, this kid is good, he's going to make plays, he's fun to watch. Unfortunately he's being tied by many of us, myself very much included, to the reality that we're looking at another season of crappy football. Usually after the draft hope is the highest and for fans of bottom dwelling teams like the Giants have been, this is usually the only time of year we can feel good. We don't have that this year because we know Jones will be throwing him the ball.
The good news for those who don't want to see Jones play another snap is that replacing him was clearly on Joe's mind or they wouldn't have tried to trade up for Maye. It's just going to be interesting to see what the long term QB strategy is. If they think they can develop a day 2 or 3 guy, I'd support them making the pick.
Nabers will be a star if we can get someone to throw him the ball, that's the bottom line here.
It is hard for me to be excited about Jones possibly starting and the narrative that we can still build around him. That is just stupid BUT, maybe our only true option was Drake Maye and when it didn't work out we had nowhere to go. I suspect New England would have been ok with JJM later if they got a ton for #3 or maybe even Penix but they wanted the world to move down- or maybe they played a game to see if someone would offer everything to move up.. Regardless we tried- I do believe Schoen and Daboll had a plan and have their rankings and when it didn't work out they took "their" BPA at an obvious need position.
However, I still hope Drew Lock wins the job so we can avoid any Jones injury piece or, if the heavens align, maybe he starts out well- not great but well and a team with serious contention plans suffers a QB injury and we can move Jones and plan for our 2025 QB offseason. That seems to be where we are at..
The Giants WR group is vastly different this off season than it was all last year. Nabers can be the guy that pulls coverage his way, Hyatt pulls coverage deep and WDR gets open underneath..
Overall, I have to hope the SUM of the parts (team) are worth more than the negative of ONE part/Quarterback. If we can mask some things we could see improvement.
If Jones is trotted out there as the QB then the expectation on him has to be 25 passing TDs at minimum and at least 8-10pts more per game...
Today we see how good Schoen is- with some movement here we could acquire a few more picks in 2024- get some DB help, DL help, RB and maybe a TE/S/or another WR with size.
- Things were starting to click with Nabers
- Those 2 OL injuries killed us - we'll be healthier next year
- We were in the hunt late in the year, if 2 close games went our way we would've gotten the 7 seed
- Too many questions about the QB prospects and too expensive to move up
However, I also found myself lamenting the fact that we would be passing on the WR if we took the QB.
The Giants had to get the QB and the WR. They came away with part of the solution. If they had whiffed on the QB, they would have been left holding the bag with nothing.
Was it the safe play? Yes.
Eric, I get all this and I do really like Nabers. I just think it stinks that we have to watch another year of a Jones lead team.
We're in year 3 of a rebuild with at least one more to go. We all knew it, but this years draft made us confront it rather than giving us our standard couple weeks of feeling like things may get better.
Stunning that 6 quarterbacks went in 12 picks, but we'll find out pretty quickly about Penix (who had him going before McCarthy?), McCarthy, and Nix.
All three are going to play.
I'm pretty confident, barring injury, Nabers is going to be a stud. I don't know about those other three.
Also, the draft is 7 rounds, and they are still in smokescreen mode/not saying much w/DJ. Status quo for draft mode.
Anything can happen.
Maybe they are trading Slayton and #47 to move up to draft Rattler or something? Jump LVR.
Or wait till rd4 for Milton. Who knows :)
That all said, and everyone here knows I am not a Jones' apologist, he did take this team to the playoffs in 2022 with a bad offensive line, no weapons, and a bad defense. It is not impossible that the Giants are 9-8 next year with Jones.
On the flip side, he also could be done for his career with a third neck injury and us getting hit with another $23 million cap charge.
Also, the draft is 7 rounds, and they are still in smokescreen mode/not saying much w/DJ. Status quo for draft mode.
Anything can happen.
Maybe they are trading Slayton and #47 to move up to draft Rattler or something? Jump LVR.
Or wait till rd4 for Milton. Who knows :)
I don't think so. I think Devito is your 3rd string development guy and quite frankly is probably better than Rattler at this point. I suspect 2025 is what we are looking at- moving the $$$$ off the books for Jones..
If Jones by some miracle gets a whole lot better then you still get a QB to develop but regardless we will be going QB next off season no matter what.
In a very deep QB draft and picking 6, the Giants didn't see a guy they like. There is a very high likelihod that next year getting a QB does not get easier because there are much better prospects and we are picking much higher.
How many years can you not try to get a QB when you don't have one? Can we pass in 2025 and 2026? If we still don't have a guy do you extend Jones?
In a very deep QB draft and picking 6, the Giants didn't see a guy they like. There is a very high likelihod that next year getting a QB does not get easier because there are much better prospects and we are picking much higher.
How many years can you not try to get a QB when you don't have one? Can we pass in 2025 and 2026? If we still don't have a guy do you extend Jones?
I think the real question is what did the Giants think of Penix, Nix, JJM - I suspect two of them were NOT 1st rd grades. I mean the Broncos had no choice and if they didn't take Nix I suspect he slides out of RD 1. The Falcons screwed the Raiders by going Penix- and possibly screwed themselves in the process.
The JJM talk with the Giants was probably real if Nabers had been picked before us but once the Chargers went Alt you take the guy rated much higher than anyone else.
I don't like it, I really wanted the HOPE of a new QB but maybe this is the right course of action..
That all said, and everyone here knows I am not a Jones' apologist, he did take this team to the playoffs in 2022 with a bad offensive line, no weapons, and a bad defense. It is not impossible that the Giants are 9-8 next year with Jones.
On the flip side, he also could be done for his career with a third neck injury and us getting hit with another $23 million cap charge.
I very much hope the QB competition is open as well, if DeVito plays best, start him. Its one reason why I was a little disheartened by Schoen mentioning Jones in the presser, talking about calling him before the pick. It seems to indicate they still view him as the starter as there was no mention of Lock or DeVito getting a call.
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Since Maye was going to sit and learn, weren't we going to get another year of DJ anyway, if we were able to trade for Maye?
Also, the draft is 7 rounds, and they are still in smokescreen mode/not saying much w/DJ. Status quo for draft mode.
Anything can happen.
Maybe they are trading Slayton and #47 to move up to draft Rattler or something? Jump LVR.
Or wait till rd4 for Milton. Who knows :)
I don't think so. I think Devito is your 3rd string development guy and quite frankly is probably better than Rattler at this point. I suspect 2025 is what we are looking at- moving the $$$$ off the books for Jones..
If Jones by some miracle gets a whole lot better then you still get a QB to develop but regardless we will be going QB next off season no matter what.
I hear you, and I liked Tommy, but he was UFA and everyone thinks he's trash lol. He would be cut if we got Maye, right? But he's tough and can make more than 1 read, so I'm with you on being developmental. But what's the ceiling? So what's the point?
Still don't think it is out of the question that DJ gets benched for the injury thing. the BBBanter guys said they were trying to move up for Caleb too, so DJ is toast ASAP. (could be 1 year, could be Monday lol)
In a very deep QB draft and picking 6, the Giants didn't see a guy they like. There is a very high likelihod that next year getting a QB does not get easier because there are much better prospects and we are picking much higher.
How many years can you not try to get a QB when you don't have one? Can we pass in 2025 and 2026? If we still don't have a guy do you extend Jones?
I hear you, but I've also personally speculated that this QB class may be overrated. I'm a nobody. I don't even watch that much college football. But I read a ton on the prospects and this class made me nervous.
It's going to be fascinating how Nabers does vis a vis the three QBs taken after him. As I said, I have no doubts in Nabers.
Where do we get our QB? That's the million dollar question. My guess it will be in the middle of round one next year.
Stunning that 6 quarterbacks went in 12 picks, but we'll find out pretty quickly about Penix (who had him going before McCarthy?), McCarthy, and Nix.
All three are going to play.
I'm pretty confident, barring injury, Nabers is going to be a stud. I don't know about those other three.
Penix is not going to play right away. The Falcons literally just signed Kirk Cousins to a huge deal. That pick makes absolutely no sense and wreaks of the Falcons being far too cute. I’m guessing they wanted to trade out, hoping they’d get a haul from a team looking for a QB and when they couldn’t get it done, they decided teach those teams a lesson and take the guy they were hoping would fall to them later. That’s the only explanation I can think of.
If he sucks this year, everyone is getting fired. As Eric likes to remind us full resets set everything back by a couple of years.
Jones falling flat (again) means the Giants aren't going to be competitive until probably 2027.
it is clear after yesterday Maye was the QB3 in this draft to not only NYG and NE but also MIN. anyone who thought there was a realistic chance that NE wouldn't take their QB3 or better at that spot was deluding themselves.
Mike am i remembering correctly that you've been crapping on JJM for the last 6 months or so? if he was their QB4 would you prefer they forced the pick on a guy you dont even like?
it is clear after yesterday Maye was the QB3 in this draft to not only NYG and NE but also MIN. anyone who thought there was a realistic chance that NE wouldn't take their QB3 or better at that spot was deluding themselves.
Mike am i remembering correctly that you've been crapping on JJM for the last 6 months or so? if he was their QB4 would you prefer they forced the pick on a guy you dont even like?
This is exactly what happened. The real issue here is we don't like it. But this was always the reality. They wanted Maye. McCarthy was a smokescreen. The WR was going to be "consolation prize." They actually probably talked up McCarthy to get the Patriots to move PLUS to have Nabers fall.
Like I said, Nabers is a great player. The argument is that there are far more solutions available at WR than there are at QB.
Maybe Schoen and Daboll were given Mara's blessing to move forward with a long leash and without pressure. To that I say, let's wait until October when we're 1-5 and Jones looks lost again and Daboll is fuming on the sidelines, then we'll see what things look like. It ain't gonna be good.
Like I said, Nabers is a great player. The argument is that there are far more solutions available at WR than there are at QB.
Maybe Schoen and Daboll were given Mara's blessing to move forward with a long leash and without pressure. To that I say, let's wait until October when we're 1-5 and Jones looks lost again and Daboll is fuming on the sidelines, then we'll see what things look like. It ain't gonna be good.
Unless you think the Giants were putting on a show for the fans in their "attempt" to trade up, then the team knows they have a QB issue.
I get it’s a “what have you done for me lately” league, but this is the same QB that played well in 2022 without any notable receivers and I think a majority of the fan base wanted him (or was okay with him being) extended just 15 short months ago.
He played like 4.5 games, the OL situation was historically bad. The one game where he had time - AZ - he played outstanding. I don’t think Jones all of the sudden forgot how to play football. Some of those games last year were a literal wash - he did not have a chance. We are not far removed from him playing at a level worthy of franchise QB $$$.
I think if they can give him time, and now with these weapons, DJ will have a bounce back year and be the guy they extended, not the one everyone is trying to run out of town (after a small and unfair sample size).
I get it’s a “what have you done for me lately” league, but this is the same QB that played well in 2022 without any notable receivers and I think a majority of the fan base wanted him (or was okay with him being) extended just 15 short months ago.
He played like 4.5 games, the OL situation was historically bad. The one game where he had time - AZ - he played outstanding. I don’t think Jones all of the sudden forgot how to play football. Some of those games last year were a literal wash - he did not have a chance. We are not far removed from him playing at a level worthy of franchise QB $$$.
I think if they can give him time, and now with these weapons, DJ will have a bounce back year and be the guy they extended, not the one everyone is trying to run out of town (after a small and unfair sample size).
This! 100 percent accurate.
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Went at 8, 10 and 12 respectively. One of them to a team that already has an established QB they just brought in. 6 QBs went in the top 12 picks and one of, if not, the most QB needy team, us, passed on 3 of them.
Like I said, Nabers is a great player. The argument is that there are far more solutions available at WR than there are at QB.
Maybe Schoen and Daboll were given Mara's blessing to move forward with a long leash and without pressure. To that I say, let's wait until October when we're 1-5 and Jones looks lost again and Daboll is fuming on the sidelines, then we'll see what things look like. It ain't gonna be good.
Unless you think the Giants were putting on a show for the fans in their "attempt" to trade up, then the team knows they have a QB issue.
Well, the Giants have a PR problem too then. They were laying it on pretty thick last night with the schtick that Schoen called Daniel to tell him before the pick was even announced. Last night shouldn't have been about Daniel Jones other than finding his replacement. It's like they're playing both sides of the fence here. If Jones is on the outs, but you had to punt due to how the board fell, ok, don't agree with it, but fine. But to then sit there and tell us excitedly how the first thing you do is tell Jones how happy he should be.
What we have now however is a chance to make a more complete team ready for whoever is the next QB. I am not going out on a limb suggesting Daniel Jones wont make it to next yr as our starting QB but before sharing my thoughts on QB next year.....what do we have.
We now have a pretty dynamic WR group with Nabers, Robinson and Hyatt plus good 4th and 5th options in Slayton and Hodgins. We have the beginning of what can be an above average OL. Need JMS and Neal to make the progress they haven't yet done with the new OL coach leading their development but I really like the reinforcements made at G and swing T this offseason and love A Thomas. We should be solid this year with a chance to be much better than that next yr. We can still use a play making TE and true RB1(one of which I would assume is plucked in the draft here) but I do like the RB we took in FA. On D I think we have the foundation of a very strong defense needing really only a second DT, a CB2 and a proven safety to complete what I think is a young and dynamic group. Love Burns, Dex and thibs on the line, Love Okereke. I like the progress of McFadden and I think we have a very good CB1 in Banks.
So to the next QB...this has the chance to be a very good landing spot. If the Boys dump Dak Prescott....could you see him succeeding with the above. If one of the QBs at the top of next yrs draft shows out...could we mortgage more of our draft capital to pay the steep price we were unwilling to do yesterday...probably. Having a cheap productive rookie deal QB with an established good team reminds me a bit of where SF is right now. I like that model
What do you expect Schoen and Daboll to do? Throw Jones under the bus? That doesn't help anyone.
For better or worse, Jones (or Lock) is going to be the starting QB of the New York Football Giants in 2024.
decide that McCarthy was not worth the pick.. which btw I agree was not worth it either.. let’s trust his evaluation that McCarthy was not a fit for the offense he wants to run
What do you expect Schoen and Daboll to do? Throw Jones under the bus? That doesn't help anyone.
For better or worse, Jones (or Lock) is going to be the starting QB of the New York Football Giants in 2024.
Plenty of people here would love to have Schoen and Daboll throw Jones under the bus. In at least one case literally.
In a very deep QB draft and picking 6, the Giants didn't see a guy they like.
What intel do you have that says the Giants did not like any of the QB's? I am sure they liked at least two of them but could not make a deal to go up and get one. It is not for lack of trying.
However, I still hope Drew Lock wins the job so we can avoid any Jones injury piece or, if the heavens align, maybe he starts out well- not great but well and a team with serious contention plans suffers a QB injury and we can move Jones and plan for our 2025 QB offseason. That seems to be where we are
What do you expect Schoen and Daboll to do? Throw Jones under the bus? That doesn't help anyone.
For better or worse, Jones (or Lock) is going to be the starting QB of the New York Football Giants in 2024.
A nice stock answer about how Jones is rahabbing and doing all he can to get back on the field for 2024 would be more than acceptable there.
Again, I know I'm mad about the draft but I'm usually very level-headed. I think part of my reaction is due to the fact that they seem like a group that knows they needed to do something and didn't.
God forbid if Penix, McCarthy or Nix have a CJ Stroud type season. That's very much on the table right now.
The one unblemished I will have is that I am not as down on next year’s prospects as you are. Add a CB and maybe a DT, and the defense has a chance to be pretty good. If the OL additions work out, with Nabers added to the mix, Daboll can scheme out enough of an offense that Jones can execute it competently.
My main concern is that if Jones repeats his wildly overrated 2022 season, will the organization lose their minds and think that he’s turned the corner?
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Schoen was answering questions from reporters who know they were trying to replace Jones.
What do you expect Schoen and Daboll to do? Throw Jones under the bus? That doesn't help anyone.
For better or worse, Jones (or Lock) is going to be the starting QB of the New York Football Giants in 2024.
A nice stock answer about how Jones is rahabbing and doing all he can to get back on the field for 2024 would be more than acceptable there.
Again, I know I'm mad about the draft but I'm usually very level-headed. I think part of my reaction is due to the fact that they seem like a group that knows they needed to do something and didn't.
God forbid if Penix, McCarthy or Nix have a CJ Stroud type season. That's very much on the table right now.
Well Penix wont play so he wont show out...but I think McCarthy may end up in a situation where he could ball out. Lots of weapons in MN and now a cheap young QB
McCarthy? He's in a perfect spot. We'll see if we missed the bus.
Fact: 2022 season happened and DJ was an essential part.
Fact: We have no real info about DJ neck prognosis. This is really important. I pivot 180 if outlook is bad.
Fact: On paper at least, we have a better squad than 2022.
Buying high and selling low rarely works out.
Get the best player and put him on the field. Almost all of the QBs have issues. Even Sy had the WRs rated higher.
Teams that won't draft a QB in 2025.
1. Ravens - Lamar Jackson
2. Bills - Josh Allen
3. Chiefs - well... maybe... I guess not. Patrick Mahomes
4. Texans - C. J. Stroud
5. Browns - Desaun Watson (who can't be cut till 2026)
6. Dolphins - Tua Tagovailoa
7. 49ers - Brock Purdy
8. Cowboys (I'm going with who else is available. They will win too many games to pick high.)
9. Lions - Jarod Goff (with Bridgewater and Hooker as backups)
10. Eagles - Jalen Hurts
11. Packers - Jordan Love
12. Jaguars - Trevor Lawrence
13. Chargers - Justin Herbert
14. Bengals - Joe Burrow
15. Bears - Caleb Williams
16. Commanders - Jayden Daniels
17. Patriots - Drake Maye
18. Falcons - Cousins/Pennix
19. Vikings - JJ McCarthy
20. Broncos - Bo Nix
21. Saints - Derek Carr (won't be cut till 2026)
22. Cardinals - Kyler Murray
Teams that could draft a QB but do have someone on the roster so there's not a need as of yet.
23. Steelers - Justin Fields (to good a team/coach to lose)
24. Buccaneers - Baker Mayfield (almost put this as likely but they will win just enough to not pick high)
25. LA Rams - Matthew Stafford (plenty good enough but he's 36 so soon they will want one)
26. Panthers - Bryce Young (all depends on how he does this year)
27. Colts - Anthony Richardson (possible but I give it at least another year)
28. Titans - Will Levis (meh, we'll see)
Teams that will be looking:
29. Las Vegas Raiders - Gardner Minshew
30. NY Giants - Daniel Jones (unless he gets us to the playoffs again and I don't see it)
31. Seattle Seahawks - Geno Smith
32. NY Jets - Rodgers (he isn't getting any younger but unless they have injuries they'll be picking to high)
So definitely 3 other teams that we are competing against for a QB next year. But the Jets will be to high so really 2 other teams. Maybe a couple from the not needing a QB. I think the Giants will be picking high enough that we have a great shot as long as one is there.
If Dabol loved one of those 3 he would have pounded the table to Schoen. They could have easily justified passing on WR. Obviously they didn't think one of those 3 was a franchise type QB. We will find out if they are wrong.
For now, we can all be excited about the Giants finally having a #1 receiver. It has been a long time.
- Things were starting to click with Nabers
- Those 2 OL injuries killed us - we'll be healthier next year
- We were in the hunt late in the year, if 2 close games went our way we would've gotten the 7 seed
- Too many questions about the QB prospects and too expensive to move up
Yep. They'll restructure Jones at that point and we'll be having the same conversations a year from now.
It's hard to get excited about seeing Jones penciled in as the starter, even with a better than decent stable of WRs. I do think Nabers is going to be a terrific WR in the NFL, but I like most of us want to see a different arm throwing to him as things stand right now. I hope and pray that some how Jones can make this work, but based on the available evidence, it's hard to get excited about him right now.
In my view this whole season rests on the shoulders of Carmen Bricillo. Replacing Johnson with Bricillo made a lot of sense to me, because the Oline should have been [bmuch[/b]better than it was last year. Two number 1 draft picks at tackle, One number 2 draft pick at Center, and 2 warm bodies at guard should be able to make some hay for god's sake. I can't believe Evan Neal and/or Schmidt are not reasonably good players, if not very good to great players. In a situation where you have a presumed body of talent that is under-achieving you must replace the coach and find out what you got. Replacing such elite talent is a much more difficult and wasteful proposition.
The hope for the Giants in the coming year - is a cohesive line, a consistent if not spectacular running game, and giving Jones the security/confidence he needs to sprinkle the ball around to his speedy talented receivers and have them make plays. Three of these receivers - on any other team should give the defenses they face fits.
Bring on a CB, DT, and RB on day two and three
Still.
I am OK with the pick.
I wasn’t at any of ithe nterviews, all of my projections are based on second hand information. I am having fun, this isn’t my industry.
Nabers is more likely to get a gold jacket than the QBs IMHO.
Again I’m just having fun.
Isn’t see what Bitey saw in his OP at all.
I didn’t see Jones missing receivers all over the field last year. I saw him trying to survive with an OL that was on pace for over 200 sacks. So I think if Daniel if cleared to play and is fortunate enough to remain healthy can be productive. And win games
Some of you seem like this is not at all a possibility based on your extensive professional knowledge.
I think it possible.
I do think injury will end DJ’s career early and it is why I would have drafted MCCarthy in that spot.
They didn’t do what I thought they should do.
I can live with that.
It's hard to get excited about seeing Jones penciled in as the starter, even with a better than decent stable of WRs. I do think Nabers is going to be a terrific WR in the NFL, but I like most of us want to see a different arm throwing to him as things stand right now. I hope and pray that some how Jones can make this work, but based on the available evidence, it's hard to get excited about him right now.
In my view this whole season rests on the shoulders of Carmen Bricillo. Replacing Johnson with Bricillo made a lot of sense to me, because the Oline should have been [bmuch[/b]better than it was last year. Two number 1 draft picks at tackle, One number 2 draft pick at Center, and 2 warm bodies at guard should be able to make some hay for god's sake. I can't believe Evan Neal and/or Schmidt are not reasonably good players, if not very good to great players. In a situation where you have a presumed body of talent that is under-achieving you must replace the coach and find out what you got. Replacing such elite talent is a much more difficult and wasteful proposition.
The hope for the Giants in the coming year - is a cohesive line, a consistent if not spectacular running game, and giving Jones the security/confidence he needs to sprinkle the ball around to his speedy talented receivers and have them make plays. Three of these receivers - on any other team should give the defenses they face fits.
Bring on a CB, DT, and RB on day two and three
I have a very, very similar outlook to you. There's a chance that we look back on this offseason and Bricillo winds up being our best offseason acquisition.
At least that's what I'm hoping...
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Did you see the WR contracts going out!? We have now one of the best WRs and he is on rookie contract control for 5 yrs..
This is a massively strategic move too.. The Giants are not going to pay top dollar for positions they fell can be handled with cheaper health talent. Im looking RB too.
DEfense wins championships.
No. Maholmes wins championships. Teams with Daniel Jones as a starting QB do not. I'm having a real hard time being excited about this pick knowing that the seemlingy never ending saga of Daniel Jones is going to continue for yet another year. Why even watch? We aren't going anywhere....again.
KC had one of the best Defenses in the league the last 4 yrs... they have one of the best, if not the best defensive coordinators too. Mahomes covers alot holes -especially the lack of their WRs -
This is Jerry Reeech special
As I said in the other post, quantity doesn't make it historic. Who is the Elway, Marino, Kelly? Or even Ken O'Brien?
The Giants did as much work on QBs as any team in this draft and when they had the opportunity to take McCarthy they decided he wasn’t good enough. Let’s take either the best or 2nd best position player in the draft.
No offense to you or anyone else on this board, but I have to think that the guys who run the Giants and scout for the Giants and coach the Giants know more than 99% of the people on this site.
5 teams that needed a QB other than the Giants took a different QB. I’m pretty sure Penix and his injury history wasn’t really a thought at 6 for the Giants.
Replacing Jones just to replace him would have been the worst decision for this franchise. Getting a potential elite talent instead of reaching for a QB is the right move every time. Reaching for players at a need position are what keeps your franchise in the bottom. You can’t say we didn’t get the best player that the Giants thought was available.
The talent on the Giants has been so bad on the Giants offense it was ridiculous. If you think Jones was the worst QB in 2022 I don’t know what to tell you. He’s basically a middle of the road QB. Judging him on 6 games in 2023 and forgetting the solid season in 2022 is just plain piling on the guy. Did anyone really expect us to have a great record to start the season last year? Dallas, Cardinals, San Fran, Seattle & he gets hurt in the Miami game. What were you expecting 2-4 instead of 1-5? We had one of the worst OLs in the league in 2023 before Thomas got hurt oh and Barkley was hurt too and Robinson was still recovering from his knee. What was your expectation for the start of the season? Remember Eric saying the Giants may be better but have a worse record? Well we were actually worse with a worse record. DJ is not the only reason the Giants sucked last year, it’s a tired excuse for a team failure too to bottom.
The Giants did as much work on QBs as any team in this draft and when they had the opportunity to take McCarthy they decided he wasn’t good enough. Let’s take either the best or 2nd best position player in the draft.
No offense to you or anyone else on this board, but I have to think that the guys who run the Giants and scout for the Giants and coach the Giants know more than 99% of the people on this site.
5 teams that needed a QB other than the Giants took a different QB. I’m pretty sure Penix and his injury history wasn’t really a thought at 6 for the Giants.
Replacing Jones just to replace him would have been the worst decision for this franchise. Getting a potential elite talent instead of reaching for a QB is the right move every time. Reaching for players at a need position are what keeps your franchise in the bottom. You can’t say we didn’t get the best player that the Giants thought was available.
The talent on the Giants has been so bad on the Giants offense it was ridiculous. If you think Jones was the worst QB in 2022 I don’t know what to tell you. He’s basically a middle of the road QB. Judging him on 6 games in 2023 and forgetting the solid season in 2022 is just plain piling on the guy. Did anyone really expect us to have a great record to start the season last year? Dallas, Cardinals, San Fran, Seattle & he gets hurt in the Miami game. What were you expecting 2-4 instead of 1-5? We had one of the worst OLs in the league in 2023 before Thomas got hurt oh and Barkley was hurt too and Robinson was still recovering from his knee. What was your expectation for the start of the season? Remember Eric saying the Giants may be better but have a worse record? Well we were actually worse with a worse record. DJ is not the only reason the Giants sucked last year, it’s a tired excuse for a team failure too to bottom.