Daniel Jones enters 2024:
Revamped OL w/ depth, ANDREW THOMAS, MALIK NABERS, Wan'Dale, Hyatt, Slayton, Hodgins, Waller? + Daboll designing plays
HAS to rack 4K passing, 30+ TDs, 8 YPA, 65% completion rate or else what's the point of allocating 18ish% of cap space to him? #Giants
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He doesn't throw touchdowns. He doesn't lead the offense down the field when it counts, when the whole stadium knows you have to pass. No game winning drives.
He can run. When they work the run in, he can make some plays. Now he has a knee injury and a twice messed up neck.
30 TD's, not a snowballs chance in hell. Really.
Permanent scholarship. I wonder what year they put him into the ring of honor?
This man is excuse proof. He'll probably play through the entire contract they gave him and the Giants will then move on.
I want a team that wins. I understand the Jones hate on this site. I like Jones and want him to succeed. I don’t care if he throws for 4,000 yards and 35 TD passes. I care that he helps the Giants win football games.
I wanted NYG to draft Maye, I would have understood and been happy with McCarthy. I am happy with Nabers though and am also happy we have all our draft picks this year and next year.
We can build a good football team that helps Jones or Lock win games.
Then he gets a blocked field goal as a major reason for a bad year and gets year 6...LOL.
They can't seriously think he is the franchise QB1, even with the huge error they made with the contract.
Statistics aren’t arbitrary, the more yards and touchdowns you throw for the more points you score and the more games you win.
I want a team that wins. I understand the Jones hate on this site. I like Jones and want him to succeed. I don’t care if he throws for 4,000 yards and 35 TD passes. I care that he helps the Giants win football games.
I wanted NYG to draft Maye, I would have understood and been happy with McCarthy. I am happy with Nabers though and am also happy we have all our draft picks this year and next year.
We can build a good football team that helps Jones or Lock win games.
But you are missing the key original point then. There is zero reason to allocate 20% of the cap to your QB then.
Those stats lead to touchdowns which lead to wins. And if there is any consideration that Lock is a better option then there is zero to pay Jones that money.
Statistics matter. It's how we measure performance and compare players. If Daniel Jones can't hit statistical bench marks with players like Malik Nabers, then he's not a professional QB.
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He needs to play well. The offense needs to play well. The team needs to win a lot of games and not embarrass themselves in the playoffs. That's how he should be judged, not by arbitrary statistics.
Statistics aren’t arbitrary, the more yards and touchdowns you throw for the more points you score and the more games you win.
They're already building in excuses because they don't have faith that Daniel Jones can throw for 4000 yards 30TDs/8INTs.
The excuse will be that Nabers was a rookie, and that the revamped OL took most of the season to gel.
This is insulting to Eli Manning. As poorly as the Giants and Eli were in 2018 he still threw for 4200 yards.
Oh JFC. Now we’re comparing Jones to Eli?
Just stop.
Which starting QB is he unquestionable better than?
And again you are missing the point. They are allocating precious cap resources for him to perform to a level he has never approached. Unless he provides that production there is zero reason to pay him. You can find that level production anywhere.
Put another way, would you choose Minshew and 30 extra million in cap or Daniel Jones this season?
Yes - better than Jones.
Somehow I still have the feeling that we’ll hear the same complaints if Jones falls well short of those numbers.
First time Nabers gives a "WTF" look when he's open and the ball gets dumped off he'll be labeled a "diva".
Clearly there has been enough negative talk on the message board that now it’s just commonplace to spew this kind of nonsense.
What’s the over/under on how many times you’ll post this same message before the season starts?
What would be the Cap Hit if Jones is cut post-June 1st in 2025 ?
I want the Giants to win and ultimately actually contend for a Super Bowl.
Paying 18% of the cap to a QB who is bottom 5 in the league ( and thats being generous) does not help them achieve that.
Has nothing to do with "DJ haters". I am sick of watching losing football and bad offense. I want more from the team I follow.
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One of the O Line will gte hurt, a WR, no viable TE, etc... Always another excuse. Always another reason why the Giants 'screwed up' Jones and no actual accountability for the player when he is actually on the field.
Clearly there has been enough negative talk on the message board that now it’s just commonplace to spew this kind of nonsense.
Nonsense. Lmfao. Yeah, ok.
And moron DJFC members? Still a bunch of fuckin Magoo’s; can’t see shit that’s right in front of their faces.
It would be really exciting to take the best of Daniel and match it with this suddenly gifted offense.
If Daniel becomes a top 10 QB this season....WE ALL WIN!!!
Let's go Daniel!
Revisionist history is something to behold. Yes, the offensive line looked better, but it was mainly because the starters were coming back. Thomas and Schmitz were back from injury and Bredeson moved back to guard. Glowinski was in for McKethan, then they added Pugh, who even though he wasn't good was a huge improvement. Taylor didn't have to play with practice squad players at guard (yes, that happened, two of them in one game in fact), Ezeudu at LT, Lemieux at guard.
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many excuses left last year. It will be even less with adding weapon like Nabers and what they have spent on the offensive line. I'm not saying they were good but the line looked more functional when the like of Tyrod Taylor took the reigns.
Revisionist history is something to behold. Yes, the offensive line looked better, but it was mainly because the starters were coming back. Thomas and Schmitz were back from injury and Bredeson moved back to guard. Glowinski was in for McKethan, then they added Pugh, who even though he wasn't good was a huge improvement. Taylor didn't have to play with practice squad players at guard (yes, that happened, two of them in one game in fact), Ezeudu at LT, Lemieux at guard.
Stop you’re killing them with facts
He doesn't throw touchdowns. He doesn't lead the offense down the field when it counts, when the whole stadium knows you have to pass. No game winning drives.
He can run. When they work the run in, he can make some plays. Now he has a knee injury and a twice messed up neck.
30 TD's, not a snowballs chance in hell. Really.
I mean he threw 24 TDs in 12 games his rookie year... so snowballs in hell much be a snow day.
Did you look at the OL play? There's a reason there is a new OL coach here. It doesn't matter what they spent on the OL... They played like absolute shit. Worst OL play I've ever seen in all my years as NY Giants fan.. THE F'IN WORST!!!
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Quick question - did Eli look any better than Jones in the last few years of his career? The offense was terrible and so was Eli. The idea that DJ cant be a decent QB with better pieces around is ridiculous. He is not elite - just like Eli was never elite. Some QBs need more than 2 seconds to throw. Let’s see what happens. Folks are now acting like he is the worst QB in the league. We literally have never seen him with a functioning / high-level offensive line.
Oh JFC. Now we’re comparing Jones to Eli?
Just stop.
2023’s line was probably even worse than 2013. That year Eli had a 2:3 td/int ratio. Eli looked like he didn’t belong in the nfl 2-years after being SB MVP and 1-year after being a pro-bowler.
Point being that when an oline plays at that level there’s not much any qb can do so calling ‘22 an aberration and thinking we’re going to see ‘23-type numbers from DJ just doesn’t make sense.
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What would be the Cap Hit if Jones is cut post-June 1st in 2025 ?
If I read it correctly, and he gets designated as a post-June 1 cut next year....he's $22M in dead cap space.
So he gets this season to prove what he's worth.
You need to check Eli’s stats. He was good in the McAdoo offense until the team quit on McAdoo and he was good in Barkley’s first season.
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Just for future reference --
What would be the Cap Hit if Jones is cut post-June 1st in 2025 ?
If I read it correctly, and he gets designated as a post-June 1 cut next year....he's $22M in dead cap space.
So he gets this season to prove what he's worth.
Is that before or after his $23m injury guarantee kicks in?
Somehow I still have the feeling that we’ll hear the same complaints if Jones falls well short of those numbers.
I don't expect him to be physically able to play a full season, so that situation may resolve itself.
I want a team that wins. I understand the Jones hate on this site. I like Jones and want him to succeed. I don’t care if he throws for 4,000 yards and 35 TD passes. I care that he helps the Giants win football games.
I wanted NYG to draft Maye, I would have understood and been happy with McCarthy. I am happy with Nabers though and am also happy we have all our draft picks this year and next year.
We can build a good football team that helps Jones or Lock win games.
"Excuses are for wusses"
When DJ wins division and conference championships, 2 SBs, 2 SB MVPs, 2 game winning drives in the last minute of the SB, makes even 1 throw like the throw to Manningham in the SB, leads 2 TD drives at the end of the 4th quarter in Dallas to get the Giants in the playoffs, etc then you can start to compare DJ to Eli. DJ doesn't even belong in that conversation.
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Quick question - did Eli look any better than Jones in the last few years of his career? The offense was terrible and so was Eli. The idea that DJ cant be a decent QB with better pieces around is ridiculous. He is not elite - just like Eli was never elite. Some QBs need more than 2 seconds to throw. Let’s see what happens. Folks are now acting like he is the worst QB in the league. We literally have never seen him with a functioning / high-level offensive line.
When DJ wins division and conference championships, 2 SBs, 2 SB MVPs, 2 game winning drives in the last minute of the SB, makes even 1 throw like the throw to Manningham in the SB, leads 2 TD drives at the end of the 4th quarter in Dallas to get the Giants in the playoffs, etc then you can start to compare DJ to Eli. DJ doesn't even belong in that conversation.
Leave the actual throw out of it because nobody in his right mind would argue Jones has that in his arsenal, Jones can't make the Manningham play because he can't make that read.
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many excuses left last year. It will be even less with adding weapon like Nabers and what they have spent on the offensive line. I'm not saying they were good but the line looked more functional when the like of Tyrod Taylor took the reigns.
Revisionist history is something to behold. Yes, the offensive line looked better, but it was mainly because the starters were coming back. Thomas and Schmitz were back from injury and Bredeson moved back to guard. Glowinski was in for McKethan, then they added Pugh, who even though he wasn't good was a huge improvement. Taylor didn't have to play with practice squad players at guard (yes, that happened, two of them in one game in fact), Ezeudu at LT, Lemieux at guard.
Taylor and Jones played with the same supporting cast versus Miami and Taylor simply played better.
It would be really exciting to take the best of Daniel and match it with this suddenly gifted offense.
If Daniel becomes a top 10 QB this season....WE ALL WIN!!!
Let's go Daniel!
DJ really took a step forward at the end of 2022 and had a couple of the best games of his career. What did that get us? Worse than nothing.
Forcing the issue on a JJM/Penix at 6 would have been a first-cousin to the bad decision making that got us Jones in the first place.
If you disagree with their evaluation of those prospects, that can be an interesting discussion in its own right.
But at a basic level it seems re-assuring that they didn’t want to settle on a guy they didn’t have conviction in.
At a minimum, this should be the death of the “you can always just trade up to get the QB you want” crowd. 2 to tango and etc.
And it won’t happen, but it should also be generally accepted that meaningless wins in already-failed seasons can come at a very real cost. (Of course, that should not be instructive to coaches and players, but anyone who ever talked down to others hoping for losses was not the adult in the room that they held themselves out to be).
From a cap perspective, the silver lining is that the existence of the Jones contract would have been “wasting” a good portion of the benefit of having a QB on a rookie deal.
And hopefully there are 6 fewer teams in 2025 that will be QB hungry. Regardless of the quality of that class, hard to foresee that being a bad thing.
But yeah, being in QB jail doesn’t feel awesome.
Have to hope that what is being done now is setting a better table for the meal to be served when they are able to get the QB in the crosshairs.
Exactly. It's that, and/or "The OL has been revamped and it always takes at least half the season for a new OL to gel."
Nobody cares about excuses, not ownership, not the coaching staff, not the fans. Jones will be judged by all parties involved based on how well he plays. We all know the game well enough to judge it with our eyes, we don't need to read it on a stat sheet to validate what we see.