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Did ATL ruin it for us?

HammerTime75 : 4/26/2024 12:21 pm
Given the front office's Buffalo relationships, plus the Bills' extreme willingness to trade down, do you think we would've traded up to somewhere in the 28-32 range to get Penix had he been available?

I would've loved to have had the fifth year option on him without having to give up a king's ransom and without having to miss out on Nabers.

I think we'd all be walking on clouds today had this scenario played itself out.
He was never going to last that long  
Mike from Ohio : 4/26/2024 12:22 pm : link
That was obvious. If Atlanta didn't take him the Raiders probably would have.
Not worth speculating  
crooza172 : 4/26/2024 12:22 pm : link
It didn't happen and is final.
Weird  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 12:23 pm : link
thread... the six quarterbacks went in the first 12 picks.

Penix was never going to last to the end of the round.
Penix wasn't getting past 13  
rsjem1979 : 4/26/2024 12:23 pm : link
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Min was also interested in Penix  
KDavies : 4/26/2024 12:27 pm : link
Do you think it was a coincidence they trade up as soon as Penix was picked at 9? They wanted either McCarthy or Penix at 11. One was selected at 9, so they traded up to 10.

Penix would have been gone well before the Giants could have traded up from 47. Unless you want to get insane and trade future 1sts
Age 24 next month with extensive injury history  
HammerTime75 : 4/26/2024 12:28 pm : link
That doesn't usually mesh with a top pick status. I was stunned that he went so soon, especially to a team that was not QB needy.

I would guess the Giants' board had him with a second round grade since they passed on him at 6. If so, trading up to nab that fifth year would've made a lot of sense.
There have been reports that 3 teams were trying to trade up  
Strahan91 : 4/26/2024 12:36 pm : link
into the top 10 for Penix. It appears he was higher than JJ on a at least 4 teams’ boards. No way was he making it that far if Atlanta went in a different direction
It's not like we were at the top of the 2nd round,  
barens : 4/26/2024 12:43 pm : link
it would have been a long way to move up. And even if they by some chance, did ruin it for us, that's the draft.
Nope. Would have needed to take a QB at 6  
Sean : 4/26/2024 12:45 pm : link
I got a lot of criticism for my Burns thread about trading 39. If NYG was so locked in on Maye, that could have been valuable.

But, I guess everyone overrated McCarthy.
This was a six QB class, not a four QB class  
Go Terps : 4/26/2024 12:54 pm : link
And we picked sixth. I guess the value didn't line up.
Hold on..  
Jerry in_DC : 4/26/2024 12:58 pm : link
...Minnesota was interested in more than one QB? Is that allowed? Are they polygamists?
RE: This was a six QB class, not a four QB class  
Mike in NY : 4/26/2024 1:09 pm : link
In comment 16491583 Go Terps said:
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And we picked sixth. I guess the value didn't line up.


It was a 6 QB class in your mind only. History tells us that 1-3 will be studs, 1-3 will end up as busts, and the rest will end up somewhere in the middle. The Giants are paying their scouts to determine where the QB's will end up. If they see that JJ, Penix, and Nix will end up on the "bust" side of the ledger then it is a good thing we did not select them.
Giants in QB Hell  
Angus : 4/26/2024 1:13 pm : link
When do they get out?
RE: RE: This was a six QB class, not a four QB class  
speedywheels : 4/26/2024 1:13 pm : link
In comment 16491631 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 16491583 Go Terps said:


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And we picked sixth. I guess the value didn't line up.



It was a 6 QB class in your mind only. History tells us that 1-3 will be studs, 1-3 will end up as busts, and the rest will end up somewhere in the middle. The Giants are paying their scouts to determine where the QB's will end up. If they see that JJ, Penix, and Nix will end up on the "bust" side of the ledger then it is a good thing we did not select them.


When you have a narrative like terps, facts don't matter...
I don't think it's that weird  
pjcas18 : 4/26/2024 1:17 pm : link
of a question.

If you look at draft patterns it happens where QB's get clustered at the top of the 1st and then don't get picked again until much later.

Often there is no middle ground with QB's - you love them and take them early or you don't.

In this case the QB's were really bunched up at the top of the 1st. I wouldn't be surprised to see just one or two QB's on day two and three with Rattler, Pratt, Travis and Milroe as probably/possibly the only other drafted QBs.
No  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/26/2024 1:31 pm : link
the QB run just started early. Schoen may have tried to add a QB later if available but that is just speculation. Milroe is not in this draft.
I think Penix  
Biteymax22 : 4/26/2024 1:34 pm : link
would have gone to the Raiders if Atlanta didn't take him.
Penix would have gone to Minnesota, Denver, or Seattle  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 1:36 pm : link
If Atlanta didn't take him, imp. If he was rated that highly by Atlanta, its very unlikely he would have slid to the back of rd1 as I was hoping. I could see Minnesota going Penix then Denver going JJM and maybe Nix would have slid though.
RE: RE: This was a six QB class, not a four QB class  
Walnuts : 4/26/2024 2:08 pm : link
In comment 16491631 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 16491583 Go Terps said:


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And we picked sixth. I guess the value didn't line up.



It was a 6 QB class in your mind only. History tells us that 1-3 will be studs, 1-3 will end up as busts, and the rest will end up somewhere in the middle. The Giants are paying their scouts to determine where the QB's will end up. If they see that JJ, Penix, and Nix will end up on the "bust" side of the ledger then it is a good thing we did not select them.


Maybe Daboll and Schoen didn't view JJ, Penix, and Nix as being worth a top 12 draft pick but clearly other GMs did.
RE: I don't think it's that weird  
Strahan91 : 4/26/2024 2:09 pm : link
In comment 16491659 pjcas18 said:
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of a question.

If you look at draft patterns it happens where QB's get clustered at the top of the 1st and then don't get picked again until much later.

Often there is no middle ground with QB's - you love them and take them early or you don't.

In this case the QB's were really bunched up at the top of the 1st. I wouldn't be surprised to see just one or two QB's on day two and three with Rattler, Pratt, Travis and Milroe as probably/possibly the only other drafted QBs.

Milroe?
RE: RE: RE: This was a six QB class, not a four QB class  
Walnuts : 4/26/2024 2:10 pm : link
In comment 16491647 speedywheels said:
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In comment 16491583 Go Terps said:


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And we picked sixth. I guess the value didn't line up.



It was a 6 QB class in your mind only. History tells us that 1-3 will be studs, 1-3 will end up as busts, and the rest will end up somewhere in the middle. The Giants are paying their scouts to determine where the QB's will end up. If they see that JJ, Penix, and Nix will end up on the "bust" side of the ledger then it is a good thing we did not select them.



When you have a narrative like terps, facts don't matter...


Six QBs went in the top 12 picks - I think it is fair to call it a six QB class...
RE: RE: RE: This was a six QB class, not a four QB class  
Mike in NY : 4/26/2024 2:10 pm : link
In comment 16491874 Walnuts said:
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In comment 16491631 Mike in NY said:


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In comment 16491583 Go Terps said:


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And we picked sixth. I guess the value didn't line up.



It was a 6 QB class in your mind only. History tells us that 1-3 will be studs, 1-3 will end up as busts, and the rest will end up somewhere in the middle. The Giants are paying their scouts to determine where the QB's will end up. If they see that JJ, Penix, and Nix will end up on the "bust" side of the ledger then it is a good thing we did not select them.



Maybe Daboll and Schoen didn't view JJ, Penix, and Nix as being worth a top 12 draft pick but clearly other GMs did.


People considered Josh Rosen and Todd Blackledge to be Top 10 picks
RE: RE: I don't think it's that weird  
Mike in NY : 4/26/2024 2:11 pm : link
In comment 16491879 Strahan91 said:
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In comment 16491659 pjcas18 said:


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of a question.

If you look at draft patterns it happens where QB's get clustered at the top of the 1st and then don't get picked again until much later.

Often there is no middle ground with QB's - you love them and take them early or you don't.

In this case the QB's were really bunched up at the top of the 1st. I wouldn't be surprised to see just one or two QB's on day two and three with Rattler, Pratt, Travis and Milroe as probably/possibly the only other drafted QBs.


Milroe?


Clearly meant Milton
I agree with the posters saying Penix  
Section331 : 4/26/2024 2:12 pm : link
would never have lasted until the Buffalo pick. He would have been a Raider if ATL didn't take him. Come to think of it, Penix would have been the ideal Al Davis pick.
RE: RE: RE: I don't think it's that weird  
pjcas18 : 4/26/2024 2:14 pm : link
In comment 16491889 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 16491879 Strahan91 said:


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In comment 16491659 pjcas18 said:


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of a question.

If you look at draft patterns it happens where QB's get clustered at the top of the 1st and then don't get picked again until much later.

Often there is no middle ground with QB's - you love them and take them early or you don't.

In this case the QB's were really bunched up at the top of the 1st. I wouldn't be surprised to see just one or two QB's on day two and three with Rattler, Pratt, Travis and Milroe as probably/possibly the only other drafted QBs.


Milroe?



Clearly meant Milton


Yes, thank you.
RE: RE: RE: This was a six QB class, not a four QB class  
Go Terps : 4/26/2024 2:15 pm : link
In comment 16491874 Walnuts said:
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In comment 16491583 Go Terps said:


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And we picked sixth. I guess the value didn't line up.



It was a 6 QB class in your mind only. History tells us that 1-3 will be studs, 1-3 will end up as busts, and the rest will end up somewhere in the middle. The Giants are paying their scouts to determine where the QB's will end up. If they see that JJ, Penix, and Nix will end up on the "bust" side of the ledger then it is a good thing we did not select them.



Maybe Daboll and Schoen didn't view JJ, Penix, and Nix as being worth a top 12 draft pick but clearly other GMs did.


Including Sean Payton and Kevin O'Connell. I guess they don't know shit.
RE: RE: RE: RE: This was a six QB class, not a four QB class  
Walnuts : 4/26/2024 2:18 pm : link
In comment 16491885 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 16491874 Walnuts said:


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In comment 16491631 Mike in NY said:


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In comment 16491583 Go Terps said:


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And we picked sixth. I guess the value didn't line up.



It was a 6 QB class in your mind only. History tells us that 1-3 will be studs, 1-3 will end up as busts, and the rest will end up somewhere in the middle. The Giants are paying their scouts to determine where the QB's will end up. If they see that JJ, Penix, and Nix will end up on the "bust" side of the ledger then it is a good thing we did not select them.



Maybe Daboll and Schoen didn't view JJ, Penix, and Nix as being worth a top 12 draft pick but clearly other GMs did.



People considered Josh Rosen and Todd Blackledge to be Top 10 picks


So? Draft picks bust all the time. The fact that three QBs went in the six picks after us is evidence that there were good QB prospects available.

Should we only draft Trevor Lawrence / Burrow / Luck - type QBs?
RE: RE: RE: RE: This was a six QB class, not a four QB class  
Mike in NY : 4/26/2024 2:20 pm : link
In comment 16491901 Go Terps said:
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And we picked sixth. I guess the value didn't line up.



It was a 6 QB class in your mind only. History tells us that 1-3 will be studs, 1-3 will end up as busts, and the rest will end up somewhere in the middle. The Giants are paying their scouts to determine where the QB's will end up. If they see that JJ, Penix, and Nix will end up on the "bust" side of the ledger then it is a good thing we did not select them.



Maybe Daboll and Schoen didn't view JJ, Penix, and Nix as being worth a top 12 draft pick but clearly other GMs did.



Including Sean Payton and Kevin O'Connell. I guess they don't know shit.


O'Connell got rid of Cousins and the triumvirate of Hall, Dobbs, and Mullens all looked worse than what the Giants got out of Tommy DeVito/Tyrod Taylor so we shall see if O'Connell knows when it comes to evaluating QB's.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This was a six QB class, not a four QB class  
Mike in NY : 4/26/2024 2:21 pm : link
In comment 16491915 Walnuts said:
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And we picked sixth. I guess the value didn't line up.



It was a 6 QB class in your mind only. History tells us that 1-3 will be studs, 1-3 will end up as busts, and the rest will end up somewhere in the middle. The Giants are paying their scouts to determine where the QB's will end up. If they see that JJ, Penix, and Nix will end up on the "bust" side of the ledger then it is a good thing we did not select them.



Maybe Daboll and Schoen didn't view JJ, Penix, and Nix as being worth a top 12 draft pick but clearly other GMs did.



People considered Josh Rosen and Todd Blackledge to be Top 10 picks



So? Draft picks bust all the time. The fact that three QBs went in the six picks after us is evidence that there were good QB prospects available.

Should we only draft Trevor Lawrence / Burrow / Luck - type QBs?


I would take Josh Allens and Lamar Jacksons. If you think a player will be a bust you don't take him just because someone else picking after you likes him.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This was a six QB class, not a four QB class  
ThomasG : 4/26/2024 2:24 pm : link
In comment 16491915 Walnuts said:
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Maybe Daboll and Schoen didn't view JJ, Penix, and Nix as being worth a top 12 draft pick but clearly other GMs did.



People considered Josh Rosen and Todd Blackledge to be Top 10 picks



So? Draft picks bust all the time. The fact that three QBs went in the six picks after us is evidence that there were good QB prospects available.

Should we only draft Trevor Lawrence / Burrow / Luck - type QBs?


We don't draft any type of QBs. At least not any longer.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This was a six QB class, not a four QB class  
Walnuts : 4/26/2024 2:24 pm : link
In comment 16491924 Mike in NY said:
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And we picked sixth. I guess the value didn't line up.



It was a 6 QB class in your mind only. History tells us that 1-3 will be studs, 1-3 will end up as busts, and the rest will end up somewhere in the middle. The Giants are paying their scouts to determine where the QB's will end up. If they see that JJ, Penix, and Nix will end up on the "bust" side of the ledger then it is a good thing we did not select them.



Maybe Daboll and Schoen didn't view JJ, Penix, and Nix as being worth a top 12 draft pick but clearly other GMs did.



People considered Josh Rosen and Todd Blackledge to be Top 10 picks



So? Draft picks bust all the time. The fact that three QBs went in the six picks after us is evidence that there were good QB prospects available.

Should we only draft Trevor Lawrence / Burrow / Luck - type QBs?



I would take Josh Allens and Lamar Jacksons. If you think a player will be a bust you don't take him just because someone else picking after you likes him.


Easy to say with hindsight. Allen and Jackson both had extremely high bust potential. And they are great examples of why it may be worth taking a chance on less than perfect QB prospects.
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