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Too much wishful thinking on QB part 2

flyswimwalk : 4/26/2024 1:31 pm
My first post at this forum was on March 12 titled "Too much wishful thinking on QB". The main point I made in the post: "To me it's pretty clear what the plan is: Unless something crazy happens and one of the top 3 QBs falls to #6 in the draft, Giants will draft a WR in the first round."

And the signals got more and more clear in my opinion. So this week on Wednesday I posted "Hard to explain if we don't draft WR1".

Now that the 1st round of drafting is complete, I feel compelled to do a part 2. Most folks participating in my posts and many other posts exhibited behavior similar to the following:

They seem to be very fixated on their own wishful thinking. They tend to only accept what aligns with their desires and go to great lengths to justify dismissing anything they don't like. Ultimately, they end up setting themselves up for frustration and disappointment.

Now look at the facts which were laid out before once again:
- JS is a thoughtful and analytical person
- WR is a high premium position
- Giants doesn't have a WR1 and didn't invest in WR1 in the last 2 years
- Giants' thin and low performing WR group is getting even weaker next season if nothing is done in the draft
- Giants didn't do anyting on WR in FA market this season
- the 4 WRs in the 30 visits, 3 in 1st round, the last one is a round 7 candidate. Nothing in between.

Isn't that pretty telling what Giants most likely would do in the 1st round draft?
You do understand  
Mike from Ohio : 4/26/2024 1:34 pm : link
most of what you listed under "the facts" are actually opinions, right?

Everybody everywhere realized there was a high likelihood the Giants would take a WR at #6. That wasn't some kind of insight you provided. Almost every mock draft had us taking Nabors at #6.
RE: You do understand  
flyswimwalk : 4/26/2024 1:39 pm : link
Oh, then why most of the comments in my posts and other posts were about Giants were going to take a QB and not going to take a WR?

In comment 16491729 Mike from Ohio said:
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most of what you listed under "the facts" are actually opinions, right?

Everybody everywhere realized there was a high likelihood the Giants would take a WR at #6. That wasn't some kind of insight you provided. Almost every mock draft had us taking Nabors at #6.
Look, I love the potential of Nabers,  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 1:42 pm : link
But you didn't add anything new in this post. You're basically just saying I told you so about what was a fairly obvious take to begin with. What's the point of your post other than to say look, I told you we would draft a WR at 6 when basically every pundit and mock had us doing the same?
RE: RE: You do understand  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 1:43 pm : link
In comment 16491753 flyswimwalk said:
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Oh, then why most of the comments in my posts and other posts were about Giants were going to take a QB and not going to take a WR?

In comment 16491729 Mike from Ohio said:


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most of what you listed under "the facts" are actually opinions, right?

Everybody everywhere realized there was a high likelihood the Giants would take a WR at #6. That wasn't some kind of insight you provided. Almost every mock draft had us taking Nabors at #6.



Many people liked JJM or Penix or Nix, so what? Youre not bringing anything new to the table here. Once again, what's the point of your post?
RE: RE: You do understand  
Mike from Ohio : 4/26/2024 1:45 pm : link
In comment 16491753 flyswimwalk said:
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Oh, then why most of the comments in my posts and other posts were about Giants were going to take a QB and not going to take a WR?

In comment 16491729 Mike from Ohio said:


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most of what you listed under "the facts" are actually opinions, right?

Everybody everywhere realized there was a high likelihood the Giants would take a WR at #6. That wasn't some kind of insight you provided. Almost every mock draft had us taking Nabors at #6.



The last few days there were a ton of posts about the Giants trading up for a QB. If that did not happen, most people - and almost all mocks - had the Giants taking a WR if they stayed at #6.

Starting a thread congratulating yourself on calling something everyone expected is a bit pathetic.
RE: RE: RE: You do understand  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 1:48 pm : link
In comment 16491776 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 16491753 flyswimwalk said:


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Oh, then why most of the comments in my posts and other posts were about Giants were going to take a QB and not going to take a WR?

In comment 16491729 Mike from Ohio said:


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most of what you listed under "the facts" are actually opinions, right?

Everybody everywhere realized there was a high likelihood the Giants would take a WR at #6. That wasn't some kind of insight you provided. Almost every mock draft had us taking Nabors at #6.





The last few days there were a ton of posts about the Giants trading up for a QB. If that did not happen, most people - and almost all mocks - had the Giants taking a WR if they stayed at #6.

Starting a thread congratulating yourself on calling something everyone expected is a bit pathetic.


Agreed, New posts are supposed to add something new. It's quite simple.
RE: RE: RE: You do understand  
flyswimwalk : 4/26/2024 1:52 pm : link
A lot of things look very obvious when all the pieces of information are put together. But pieceing together pieces of information all over the place and come up with a conclusion is no easy work, even though it looks easy after the fact. I'm sure I still missed many angles and many people do better job than me and they just didn't post here. But the point here is that also many folks didn't do that work and just burried their head in their own thinking. If it's so obvious and so easy, how come you didn't do it, and didn't get it at the time and argued against it?

In comment 16491768 BleedBlue46 said:
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Oh, then why most of the comments in my posts and other posts were about Giants were going to take a QB and not going to take a WR?

In comment 16491729 Mike from Ohio said:


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most of what you listed under "the facts" are actually opinions, right?

Everybody everywhere realized there was a high likelihood the Giants would take a WR at #6. That wasn't some kind of insight you provided. Almost every mock draft had us taking Nabors at #6.





Many people liked JJM or Penix or Nix, so what? Youre not bringing anything new to the table here. Once again, what's the point of your post?
RE: RE: RE: RE: You do understand  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 1:56 pm : link
In comment 16491810 flyswimwalk said:
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A lot of things look very obvious when all the pieces of information are put together. But pieceing together pieces of information all over the place and come up with a conclusion is no easy work, even though it looks easy after the fact. I'm sure I still missed many angles and many people do better job than me and they just didn't post here. But the point here is that also many folks didn't do that work and just burried their head in their own thinking. If it's so obvious and so easy, how come you didn't do it, and didn't get it at the time and argued against it?

In comment 16491768 BleedBlue46 said:


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In comment 16491753 flyswimwalk said:


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Oh, then why most of the comments in my posts and other posts were about Giants were going to take a QB and not going to take a WR?

In comment 16491729 Mike from Ohio said:


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most of what you listed under "the facts" are actually opinions, right?

Everybody everywhere realized there was a high likelihood the Giants would take a WR at #6. That wasn't some kind of insight you provided. Almost every mock draft had us taking Nabors at #6.





Many people liked JJM or Penix or Nix, so what? Youre not bringing anything new to the table here. Once again, what's the point of your post?



I liked JJ McCarthy. I did say before the draft in the draft thread that my gut said trade up for Maye, heart said JJ at 6, head said Nabers or Odunze or trade down. Many people predicted the most obvious move of WR at pick 6. You're literally just trolling with this post like patting yourself on the back about something that was widely predicted throughout the media. If you have nothing new to add, there is no reason to make a new thread about it. Simple as that.
fkyswimwalk  
Mike from Ohio : 4/26/2024 2:42 pm : link
I know you feel like you are the only one who figured out the Giants might draft Nabors at #6, but you are not. EVERYBODY knew that was a possibility. Nobody missed that possibility.

It feels like you are trying to pat yourself on the back for figuring out a commonly known fact that is documented all over this board for the past two months.
Flyswimwalk- I will say nice job for calling it for Rd 1  
ThomasG : 4/26/2024 2:45 pm : link
Now who are we grabbing in Rd 2 and 3 since you are so good at this?
RE: Flyswimwalk- I will say nice job for calling it for Rd 1  
RCPhoenix : 4/26/2024 3:04 pm : link
In comment 16491996 ThomasG said:
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Now who are we grabbing in Rd 2 and 3 since you are so good at this?


Seriously - that would be interesting. Not rehashing what happened last night. Tell us something that could happen tonight. Or delete the thread since it's about telling everyone you were right.
Self-awareness  
Snorkels : 4/26/2024 3:08 pm : link
To the OP when I went to bed last night I couldn't help thinking of that great line in the movie Bull Durham which goes something like 'the world is best made for those not burdened by self-awareness!' and I couldn't help but think of the BBI. I mean the mob here got it so effing wrong on just about everything in this draft process from Daniel Jones is toast to that 300-plus thread in which New England was going to trade with the Giants and then back up with Arizona to taking a crack by a reporter that maybe Bob Kraft secretly wanted to take McCarthy because he was from the same school as Brady and running a marathon with it and on and on and on! In the end teams did pretty much what NFL teams do.

So one would think that this morning they'd want to maybe lay low, but you know they wouldn't. They're all back at it again today and you nailed not analyzing the situation for what it is but what they want it to be and then attacking, insulting and belittling anyone who dared question the mob narrative. and my guess is its how it will always be sadly.

Some of my favorites were the comments like 'my guy tells me its JJ!' when what their gut was really telling them was what they wanted to hear.
RE: Self-awareness  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 3:23 pm : link
In comment 16492080 Snorkels said:
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To the OP when I went to bed last night I couldn't help thinking of that great line in the movie Bull Durham which goes something like 'the world is best made for those not burdened by self-awareness!' and I couldn't help but think of the BBI. I mean the mob here got it so effing wrong on just about everything in this draft process from Daniel Jones is toast to that 300-plus thread in which New England was going to trade with the Giants and then back up with Arizona to taking a crack by a reporter that maybe Bob Kraft secretly wanted to take McCarthy because he was from the same school as Brady and running a marathon with it and on and on and on! In the end teams did pretty much what NFL teams do.

So one would think that this morning they'd want to maybe lay low, but you know they wouldn't. They're all back at it again today and you nailed not analyzing the situation for what it is but what they want it to be and then attacking, insulting and belittling anyone who dared question the mob narrative. and my guess is its how it will always be sadly.

Some of my favorites were the comments like 'my guy tells me its JJ!' when what their gut was really telling them was what they wanted to hear.


Look at the recent Lombardi post. We did have a deal in place for Maye as asshats said, then when NE couldn't get up to 4 or 5 from 6 they got cold feet about missing on QB so they just went with Maye...
I rest my case  
Snorkels : 4/26/2024 4:13 pm : link
I don't if anyone noticed but the national writers were as wrong as everybody this cycle but one says something that supports your case and your all over it like the guy's got some kind of smoking gun. Yet when Schoen says (twice in fact) that Jones will be the starter when he's healthy its a mad scramble to make the case that that isn't the case!
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