I'm not a Jones guy, but I'll be pleasantly surprised and humbled if he hits the following (very modest) marks this season:
-Starts more than 8 games
-Has a .500 record or greater
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-is ranked above average in any one of the following advanced metrics: EPA/per play, QBR, or DVOA.
I try to stay away from conventional stats, otherwise you end up in a Sam Howell scenario where the numbers look good but the performance was bad.
I think all of these are very reasonable expectations. However, the one season he ranked above average in advanced metrics (2022), most all of that was due to running. I can't really see that coming off a torn ACL.
If he can't hit these marks, I fail to see the point of continuing, but I'm sure the FO will find a reason to.
Whoa, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
I think there's a zero percent chance of this happening even if Jones has a 'good' year. I'll take 7.5 YPA as a victory.
that may not get him back in 2025 but it would bring his contract up to positive trade value.
throws 30 TDs
Throws for 3200+ yards
high marks for him...idc... its gonna take alot to turn around the perspective of him.
Anything less than 12 games is a dealbreaker. You make a good point about traditional stats, but I would still need to see an acceptable number of TD passes (more than 25 shouldn't be that difficult in today's NFL). Other than that, Avg depth of target should be over 7, and be in the top half of EPA and other modeled stats.
For just this season?
Anything less than 12 games is a dealbreaker. You make a good point about traditional stats, but I would still need to see an acceptable number of TD passes (more than 25 shouldn't be that difficult in today's NFL). Other than that, Avg depth of target should be over 7, and be in the top half of EPA and other modeled stats.
LOL.
Anything less than 12 games is a dealbreaker. You make a good point about traditional stats, but I would still need to see an acceptable number of TD passes (more than 25 shouldn't be that difficult in today's NFL). Other than that, Avg depth of target should be over 7, and be in the top half of EPA and other modeled stats.
I set it at 8 games because I think he either blows past it or falls way short. I don't think the leash will be very long if he plays similar to 2023, so if he gets to 8, it tells me he's likely doing well.
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so low? I mean Ojulari plays 8 games and everyone is ready to ship him out of town, why does Jones get a pass?
Anything less than 12 games is a dealbreaker. You make a good point about traditional stats, but I would still need to see an acceptable number of TD passes (more than 25 shouldn't be that difficult in today's NFL). Other than that, Avg depth of target should be over 7, and be in the top half of EPA and other modeled stats.
I think it's only because we don't know when he'll be back behind center. If it's day one I expect him to play at LEAST 14 games. His play style makes hime more likely to be injured unless he learns how to slide.
I think he'll be ready for week 1, but if not very soon after, but I see your point. That said, even if he did miss 8 games due to the ACL, I would not support bringing him back in 2025. There is no reason an ACL surgery would force him to miss that much time.
Lots of variables that impact stats and I measure those against what the QB is producing.
If the Giants improve rushing the ball (RB's) the passing offense can be much more explosive and his stats will reflect it. He should be better with Nabers/OL additions when things are tougher on the ground.
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27+ throwing TDs
7+ rushing TDs
4100 yards passing
Playoff birth
Realistic expectations:
11 starts
12 TDs
2 TDs
1900 yards
3-8 in his 11 starts
I think you'll be disappointed that the benchmarks will be lower than that. I think 8 or 9 wins and the 7th seed easily gets him back in 2025. I'm not sure where his replacement will come from unless there's a deep QB draft incoming (and they still passed on the deep QB draft this year).
No missed games due to injury (I won't count it if he isn't ready from last years ACL and misses the start of the season).
Consistently show the ability to get through a progression
Win games when he can't use his legs
Speed up his processing and stay on schedule
No more locking on to the first read
Stand in the pocket and continue to produce even in tough games when he's getting hit
In 2022 he did make some progress on these, however by the 2nd quarter of the Dallas game it was thrown out the window. He clearly got "shook" and never recovered.
27+ throwing TDs
7+ rushing TDs
4100 yards passing
Playoff birth
this is in the reasonable range and also has zero percent chance of happening.
We should be talking about benchmarks for Schoen and Daboll. They're trying to win now. My benchmarks:
- 4+ wins in the division
- 10+ wins overall
- a playoff win
Otherwise, fuck off.
We should be talking about benchmarks for Schoen and Daboll. They're trying to win now. My benchmarks:
- 4+ wins in the division
- 10+ wins overall
- a playoff win
Otherwise, fuck off.
No argument from me other than I'll take off a division win. 3-3 with wins against the Cowboys and Eagles would be suitable progress.
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15 starts
27+ throwing TDs
7+ rushing TDs
4100 yards passing
Playoff birth
this is in the reasonable range and also has zero percent chance of happening.
as your title says, "eat crow" those are the numbers I need to see for me to eat crow. Im tired of the excuses from the FO to fans that he doesn't have the support to succeed. He's either capable of making plays and players better or he's not and the Giants need to move on
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15 starts
27+ throwing TDs
7+ rushing TDs
4100 yards passing
Playoff birth
this is in the reasonable range and also has zero percent chance of happening.
as your title says, "eat crow" those are the numbers I need to see for me to eat crow. Im tired of the excuses from the FO to fans that he doesn't have the support to succeed. He's either capable of making plays and players better or he's not and the Giants need to move on
I fully agree. I'm just making a joke because I find your numbers to be reasonable but there's so little evidence he'll hit.
I will ban myself for a year if he throws for 30 TDs. I'll keep this thread link saved so I can hold myself accountable.
We should be talking about benchmarks for Schoen and Daboll. They're trying to win now. My benchmarks:
- 4+ wins in the division
- 10+ wins overall
- a playoff win
Otherwise, fuck off.
So, fuck off it is. The NYG might be the 15th or 16th best team in the NFC right now. Zero shot they are a playoff team come next January. I just checked my sportsbook app, only the panthers have worse odds in the NFC to make the playoffs.
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Yup
But, I don’t think it matters really b/c, clearly, ownership doesn’t want to hurt poor Daniels feelings b/c he’s such a nice kid.
Can’t wait for his ring of honor ceremony.
And yet, here you are, looking for attention on a thread you clearly don’t like.
See how that works, dumbass?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wish in one hand, shit in the other.
scoring more than 34 passing TDs over the season
getting into the playoffs, and winning two or more playoff games
scoring more than 34 passing TDs over the season
getting into the playoffs, and winning two or more playoff games
Damn, not even Eli hit all those marks in a single season.
So, 4,500 yards, 7.7 YPA, 36 TD, 9 INT should be no problem for Daniel.
More realistically, but still absurdly unlikely would be a Baker Mayfield year (the guy who made $4M last year)
4,000 yards, 7.1 YPA,28 TDs, 10 Ints
So, 4,500 yards, 7.7 YPA, 36 TD, 9 INT should be no problem for Daniel.
More realistically, but still absurdly unlikely would be a Baker Mayfield year (the guy who made $4M last year)
4,000 yards, 7.1 YPA,28 TDs, 10 Ints
Pretty telling (and sad) that in the modern nfl: 17 games, rules geared for offense, etc that Jones likely couldn’t match Baker’s stats this coming year.
Stats matter. If you are winning with low level QB play it means you are capping your teams ceiling. Alex Smith was great with the Chiefs but Reid knew he could do better. we shouldn't settle just because we get a few more wins.
Bank on that.
Wins will be what matters, not stats.