In thread after thread its being taken as an article of faith that the Giants tried and failed to trade up for Maye. When I Google this theory all I see is the usual pre-draft rumors that the Giants are reported to .... <choose your favorite theory>. No reporter is claiming to have talked to a source, even an anonymous one from the Giants or NFL. No reporter is claiming to talk to a source in New England claiming they were made offers that they turned down.
There were earlier reports that the Giants "liked" Maye, however they spent more time with McCarthy and yet when McCarthy fell to them, they passed. ( no pun intended ).
Isn't it far more likely that the decision was made to move forward with Jones/Lock/DeVito and that they were going to fill other needs ? Isn't it possible they never had any interest in these top QB's ?
Yep. We tried. Didn't want to overpay which tells me they didn't feel the full bloom conviction on Maye. Good for them, too much bust potential to trade up at all, let alone overpay.
You can question it all you want, but there was many reporters talking about the inquiries that took place.
They did the work on McCarthy and found they weren't sold on him.
It is what it is, you can agree or disagree with the decision but you can say they didn't do the work on the QBs.
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broadcast leading up to the NE pick.
Yep. We tried. Didn't want to overpay which tells me they didn't feel the full bloom conviction on Maye. Good for them, too much bust potential to trade up at all, let alone overpay.
Or, as a few asshats reported, Schoen wanted to make a deal, but ownership killed it. And to all the Mara worshippers, I'm not blaming John Mara, he should have a say when considering a franchise-altering trade like the one that was bandied about.
That, I'm less sure.
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In comment 16491786 RomanWH said:
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broadcast leading up to the NE pick.
Yep. We tried. Didn't want to overpay which tells me they didn't feel the full bloom conviction on Maye. Good for them, too much bust potential to trade up at all, let alone overpay.
Or, as a few asshats reported, Schoen wanted to make a deal, but ownership killed it. And to all the Mara worshippers, I'm not blaming John Mara, he should have a say when considering a franchise-altering trade like the one that was bandied about.
Did I miss something? I thought that was only Stars and Stripes who reported that? Did any verified asshats report that?
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In comment 16491786 RomanWH said:
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broadcast leading up to the NE pick.
Yep. We tried. Didn't want to overpay which tells me they didn't feel the full bloom conviction on Maye. Good for them, too much bust potential to trade up at all, let alone overpay.
Or, as a few asshats reported, Schoen wanted to make a deal, but ownership killed it. And to all the Mara worshippers, I'm not blaming John Mara, he should have a say when considering a franchise-altering trade like the one that was bandied about.
I said in the Stars and Stripes thread that if Mara did Nix an overpay for Maye, then it's basically the first time I applaud him making a football decision. I'm happier with Nabers than overpaying for Maye at 3. He has a lot of bust potential.
Schefter - ( New Window )
Well yeah, anything is possible but do you seriously think they didn't have any interest in Maye, Daniels and/or JJ. JJ himself said he spent more time with the Giants than any other team.
This isn't the first time the Jones crowd has questioned whether Schoen actually tried to trade up for Maye. I mean it's getting totally ridiculous. First all the excuses for Jones' sub-par play and now they're trying to convince us that Jones has been their guy all along.
The most damming rebuttal of these theories is that McCarthy fell to number 6, which nobody expected and yet they choose not to take him. That tells me they were never interested.
Either they think Jones can play or he can't. It is now perfectly clear that Mara/Shoen/Daboll think he can.
The most damming rebuttal of these theories is that McCarthy fell to number 6, which nobody expected and yet they choose not to take him. That tells me they were never interested.
Either they think Jones can play or he can't. It is now perfectly clear that Mara/Shoen/Daboll think he can.
Will definitely be a bit rough if JJM lights it up in Minnesota.
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In comment 16491786 RomanWH said:
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broadcast leading up to the NE pick.
Yep. We tried. Didn't want to overpay which tells me they didn't feel the full bloom conviction on Maye. Good for them, too much bust potential to trade up at all, let alone overpay.
Or, as a few asshats reported, Schoen wanted to make a deal, but ownership killed it. And to all the Mara worshippers, I'm not blaming John Mara, he should have a say when considering a franchise-altering trade like the one that was bandied about.
So what other asshats said this? I've been searching their names and haven't seen anything.
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Thats all he did. He's been saying since November that the Giants might try to trade up in the draft to replace Jones. The day before the draft Duggan of the Athletic said "I expect the Giants to trade up for Maye". The day of the draft Rappaport said there are rumors that the Giants might trade up. No one is claiming they talked to a source, no one is claiming they had breaking information the day of the draft.
The most damming rebuttal of these theories is that McCarthy fell to number 6, which nobody expected and yet they choose not to take him. That tells me they were never interested.
Either they think Jones can play or he can't. It is now perfectly clear that Mara/Shoen/Daboll think he can.
Will definitely be a bit rough if JJM lights it up in Minnesota.
It shouldn’t matter if JJM does well in Minny. He has 3 targets there who are better than anything the Giants would have had if they drafted him at 6. Jefferson, Addison, Hockenson. He might do very well there and it will mean nothing with respect to the Giants.
The most damming rebuttal of these theories is that McCarthy fell to number 6, which nobody expected and yet they choose not to take him. That tells me they were never interested.
Either they think Jones can play or he can't. It is now perfectly clear that Mara/Shoen/Daboll think he can.
Mccarthy isn't maye, daniels or Williams. What proof do you want? An audio recording of the call? Despite reports from beat writers and widely respected national insiders, it's not enough.
They didn't like the 3 they passed on enough, but that is not a statement on Jones. Why waste a premium 1st round draft pick on a quarterback that you are not convinced is the answer?
What more proof do you want? Unless you’re standing next to Joe Schoen in the draft room.
I swear some people…
Let me guess you’re a flat earther.
If you're a GM, you have to at least inquire about getting the proverbial "King's Ransom" as in the The Herschel Walker trade, the Ricky Williams trade etc.
Time will tell if not offering the King's Ransom for Maye was a mistake or not. Nabers and keeping #47, #70 and the 2025 1st rounder is a nice consolation prize.
What more proof do you want? Unless you’re standing next to Joe Schoen in the draft room.
I swear some people…
Let me guess you’re a flat earther.
It does not matter. GMs play games. Nobody knows what was in Schoen's head or what his motivation was for snooping around. Maybe it was legitimate. Maybe it wasn't.
As they say, actions speak louder than words. JJM and others were there for the taking. Schoen passed.
The rumored price to move up to #3 for Maye (2 1s and a 2), if you believe the rumor, was not that expensive if a GM really believes they need a QB. And Schoen didn't make the move.
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In comment 16491859 Ron from Ninerland said:
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Thats all he did. He's been saying since November that the Giants might try to trade up in the draft to replace Jones. The day before the draft Duggan of the Athletic said "I expect the Giants to trade up for Maye". The day of the draft Rappaport said there are rumors that the Giants might trade up. No one is claiming they talked to a source, no one is claiming they had breaking information the day of the draft.
The most damming rebuttal of these theories is that McCarthy fell to number 6, which nobody expected and yet they choose not to take him. That tells me they were never interested.
Either they think Jones can play or he can't. It is now perfectly clear that Mara/Shoen/Daboll think he can.
Will definitely be a bit rough if JJM lights it up in Minnesota.
It shouldn’t matter if JJM does well in Minny. He has 3 targets there who are better than anything the Giants would have had if they drafted him at 6. Jefferson, Addison, Hockenson. He might do very well there and it will mean nothing with respect to the Giants.
It will be rough for me and others if he ends up being a franchise QB and we could have had him at pick 6 then that's rough as someone who really liked him as a prospect. I won't be making a new post harping and pouting, but it would be rough.
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Literally Shefter & Rappaport said it several times on air during the draft. In top of the best writers and on top of the asshats.
What more proof do you want? Unless you’re standing next to Joe Schoen in the draft room.
I swear some people…
Let me guess you’re a flat earther.
It does not matter. GMs play games. Nobody knows what was in Schoen's head or what his motivation was for snooping around. Maybe it was legitimate. Maybe it wasn't.
As they say, actions speak louder than words. JJM and others were there for the taking. Schoen passed.
The rumored price to move up to #3 for Maye (2 1s and a 2), if you believe the rumor, was not that expensive if a GM really believes they need a QB. And Schoen didn't make the move.
Wait, first you ask how do we know the giants actually talked to the patriots and then you want to quote a RUMOR as to the price to trade up?!?! The patriots took a quarterback and didn't trade the pick. That tells you what the patriots felt about Maye.
And as long as we are now throwing rumors out there, Dan Schneier on his podcast said the vikings offered their 2 first round picks plus their 1st for 2025 and 2025. Patriots turned them down.
Read the article...
Behind the giants thinking - ( New Window )
"Well, that sounds interesting . . ."
"Forget it. Oh, well, we tried, bye."
There are about 100 different scenarios to "explore trade opportunities." Who knows how far it went.
+1. Also the Giants spent substantial time with all top 6 prospects, traveled to workouts and pro days, had them all in for top 30 visits, took them out to dinner. And then when NE said they were open for business you actually believe that Shoen wouldn't bother to make a phone call? Ridiculous.
The Giants always wanted Nabers, they told everyone. Daboll wanted him over the other Wrs. Shoen said he liked his QBs.
Then they went on a disinformation campaign....we like JJM, we like Maye, we like Penix, we want to trade down, we want to trade up....
we like Nabers, we're staying at 6.
Congrats to the Giants for playing everybody!
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Thats all he did. He's been saying since November that the Giants might try to trade up in the draft to replace Jones. The day before the draft Duggan of the Athletic said "I expect the Giants to trade up for Maye". The day of the draft Rappaport said there are rumors that the Giants might trade up. No one is claiming they talked to a source, no one is claiming they had breaking information the day of the draft.
The most damming rebuttal of these theories is that McCarthy fell to number 6, which nobody expected and yet they choose not to take him. That tells me they were never interested.
Either they think Jones can play or he can't. It is now perfectly clear that Mara/Shoen/Daboll think he can.
Mccarthy isn't maye, daniels or Williams. What proof do you want? An audio recording of the call? Despite reports from beat writers and widely respected national insiders, it's not enough.
They didn't like the 3 they passed on enough, but that is not a statement on Jones. Why waste a premium 1st round draft pick on a quarterback that you are not convinced is the answer?
In any case it's doubtful he will do this next season. At his age and experience he will most likely start out on the bench learning
That, I'm less sure.
+1
That was smoke, file it under this is what they allowed me to share.
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Literally Shefter & Rappaport said it several times on air during the draft. In top of the best writers and on top of the asshats.
What more proof do you want? Unless you’re standing next to Joe Schoen in the draft room.
I swear some people…
Let me guess you’re a flat earther.
It does not matter. GMs play games. Nobody knows what was in Schoen's head or what his motivation was for snooping around. Maybe it was legitimate. Maybe it wasn't.
As they say, actions speak louder than words. JJM and others were there for the taking. Schoen passed.
The rumored price to move up to #3 for Maye (2 1s and a 2), if you believe the rumor, was not that expensive if a GM really believes they need a QB. And Schoen didn't make the move.
Wtf are you talking about? That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said and what the OP asked.
He asked are we sure we tried to trade up because he can’t find proof anywhere. It’s been reported by pretty much everyone, including Shefter and Rappaport on live tv.
Elliott wolf said they were open for business. It doesn't mean they take whatever is offered. Obviously they wanted a deal that met their conditions and they wanted assurances that they could still get Mccarthy (rumored). The conditions weren't met, so they stuck with the pick.
Chicago and Washington never intimated that they were even open to discussion. I am sure if teams called, they told them to pound sand. Patriots did not do that, because they were looking to get their guy plus capitalize on more picks.