Who are we competing with for QB in '25 draft?

Point. I also don’t think the perception that next years qb class is going to be weak is necessarily going to be accurate. At this time last year no one thought jaden daniels or mccarthy would be big time draft picks. A few more will emerge.

I break down this exactly question. I think we are Ina. Prime spot to pick ahead of all qb needy teams: PIT, SEA, DAL, NO, LV, TB, LAR

from last nights events. These new QB’s will have at least two year windows which means less competition for trade ups over the next few years.

from the Bryce Young experiment. If Young struggles again this year, you have to think they'll be in line for the top pick.

There are others too. TENN may decide to move on from Levis, the Jets if Rodgers can't complete the season. PITT, INDY, Vegas, Seattle, Rams could all be in the market this time next year.

In comment 16491906 BleedBlue46 said:

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I break down this exactly question. I think we are Ina. Prime spot to pick ahead of all qb needy teams: PIT, SEA, DAL, NO, LV, TB, LAR

Anything can happen (especially w/ injuries) but of these teams, I can only see LV and NO being worse than us. Jets should be on that list too.

In comment 16491912 Section331 said:

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from the Bryce Young experiment. If Young struggles again this year, you have to think they'll be in line for the top pick. There are others too. TENN may decide to move on from Levis, the Jets if Rodgers can't complete the season. PITT, INDY, Vegas, Seattle, Rams could all be in the market this time next year.

NO way on young. they gave up SO much for him and their roster is really bad offensively... they going to need time to build offense up to evaluate him. young wwill get a longer leash than 2 years on a shit team.

This is a great point and i was talking about this with friends last night who i watched draft with.

there wont be many if any QB needy teams picking ahead of us next season so we shopukld have a shot at a good one... even if we have to trade multiple assets and 2026 picks to move up. Our team will be deeper (hopefully) after this draft.

next year, they probably go all out for a QB as really on paper, the "last" piece

What???

Williams was a stud and Daniels and Maye were 1st rounders. McCarthy was somewhat unknown due in part to the fact Michigan was a running team and did depend much on the passing game. Pennix was also a known top talent. Only thing we did not know last year was how high they would all go. Next years draft can always have a surprise or 2 but no way it is even remotely close in talent to this year. And please relax on Sanders. He has plenty of warts. Getting a franchise potential QB in next years draft will be much more difficult for the Giants. This year was their chance and they chose not to draft Pennix or McCarthy. At this point i trust Schoen and Daboll's judgement. Must have been things they did or did not see that they felt made either an option.

In comment 16491932 Go Terps said:

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What???

I always look ahead, especially to the QB class.

In comment 16491938 redwhiteandbigblue said:

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Williams was a stud and Daniels and Maye were 1st rounders. McCarthy was somewhat unknown due in part to the fact Michigan was a running team and did depend much on the passing game. Pennix was also a known top talent. Only thing we did not know last year was how high they would all go. Next years draft can always have a surprise or 2 but no way it is even remotely close in talent to this year. And please relax on Sanders. He has plenty of warts. Getting a franchise potential QB in next years draft will be much more difficult for the Giants. This year was their chance and they chose not to draft Pennix or McCarthy. At this point i trust Schoen and Daboll's judgement. Must have been things they did or did not see that they felt made either an option.

It won't be like this year's class, but it won't be bad. 3-4 1st rd QBs. Somewhere between this qb class and the Pickett class.

I love Jaxson Dart and I like Cam Ward, then there is: Ewers, Beck, Sanders, Milroe, Leonard, Allar and I'm probably forgetting a name or two. Dart is the goods and I am keeping my eye on him to have a big year.

Would suggest that unless the Giants get the overall #1 pick in 2025, they may continue to somehow keep passing on them.

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And often those teams are picking at the top. There is a correlation. And there are always teams that have a random season from hell whether it's injuries, bad luck, quitting on the coach.

You can't say exactly who they are yet, but chances are that a few of the teams who finish top 5 will want a QB.

But you are right. We are in for yet another season of watching draft position, debating college QBs, and pondering the cost of trading up.

extend Jones next year if they win 6+ games and are picking outside the top five again. They clearly love him and will not move off until they think they can get the number one or two rated QB on the draft board.

In comment 16491960 HardTruth said:

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If I had to hold my nose and pinpoint a guy who might interest me among the shit that will be the 2025 class, it’s probably Carson Beck.

Clearly the BBI experts already know Jones is going to suck, thus creating a need for 365 days of 2025 QB prospect posts.

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In comment 16491960 HardTruth said: Quote: ! If I had to hold my nose and pinpoint a guy who might interest me among the shit that will be the 2025 class, it’s probably Carson Beck.

Agreed I think Beck winds up QB1 with Shedeur up there but he won't be for everyone. If I had to pick one guy to take a Jayden Daniels like leap it'd be Milroe. Not that I think it'll happen but I think the potential is there

so yes. We know he will suck.

In comment 16492017 DCOrange said:

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Clearly the BBI experts already know Jones is going to suck, thus creating a need for 365 days of 2025 QB prospect posts.

Well, it's not just the BBI experts. By all reports, Schoen was trying to trade up to draft Maye and was even willing to give up next years #1 to get him.

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Oakland, possibly Tampa, New Orleans, Tennessee and Cleveland.

In comment 16491938 redwhiteandbigblue said:

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Williams was a stud and Daniels and Maye were 1st rounders. McCarthy was somewhat unknown due in part to the fact Michigan was a running team and did depend much on the passing game. Pennix was also a known top talent. Only thing we did not know last year was how high they would all go. Next years draft can always have a surprise or 2 but no way it is even remotely close in talent to this year. And please relax on Sanders. He has plenty of warts. Getting a franchise potential QB in next years draft will be much more difficult for the Giants. This year was their chance and they chose not to draft Pennix or McCarthy. At this point i trust Schoen and Daboll's judgement. Must have been things they did or did not see that they felt made either an option.

Tell me who had Daniels as a first round pick at this point last year. No one did. And no one had McCarthy as a first round pick before the national championship game. The word at this time last year was you had Williams and Maye and several guys who might be mid first to mid second round picks. Penix was expected to be a mid first rounder (or late first round). Heck, Travis, Rising (going back for a 7th season!), and Hartman were all ranked ahead of McCarthy.

Several of the QBs for next year have fewer issues with mechanics and processing and performing under pressure than Maye. Let's wait and see what another year of experience does for them.
Spring 2023 QB rankings - ( New Window )

Unless you really think Beck is the guy. He's not but okay.

In comment 16492227 BigBlueCane said:

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Unless you really think Beck is the guy. He's not but okay.

Watch out for Jaxson Dart. I'm telling you. He's got it all and will only ascend with a good season.

Then there's Cam Ward in Miami. He was in early Heisman conversation without any help at WSU. Then there's Milroe, Sanders, Ewers, Leonard. It's not going to be bad.

In comment 16491907 eric2425ny said:

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from last nights events. These new QB’s will have at least two year windows which means less competition for trade ups over the next few years.

I wouldn't count out ATL anymore hahaha

he has to overcome Mario's head Corching skills. And Dawson's questionable offense.

Here's the brutal truth. The Giants and most of the NFL draft scouts are still behind the times when it comes to what's going on in CFB.

Thanks to NIL, there are no more buried gems. If you are a halfway decent starter at a G5 school, a P5 school will offer you 5 figures to play for them. If you are above average, the offer will be 6 figures. And so on. Good luck finding that hidden player b/c the college ranks are better and more dedicated to finding them the NFL guys are.

Secondly, as pointed out by Terps and bw, WR's and CB's are the positions where the talent is gravitating towards and much easier to find NFL quality starters at. Conversely finding NFL quality QB's, OL and DE are much harder.

This means the draft value/score card everyone has been using for 20+ years is out of date. Excellent WR's aren't as valuable as even an Average QB.

and their affinity for Jones.

as a 1st round pick early last season, you did not watch LSU games. As i said, you did not know how high these guys would be picked but you knew they were 1st rounders. As for McCarthy, he might be the outlier but because he was playing for a team that you knew would be in the national championship discussion, you knew he would go high although maybe not until late 1st or early 2nd round. The only guys i see even close in talent to this years crop is Dart and MAYBE Sanders, if he takes it to the next level this year.

CBS put out a 2025 Mock a day or so ago that has the following QBs going in the following order in the 1st round:

- Shedeur (#1)
- Beck (#6)
- Ward (#9)
- Ewers (#12)
- Milroe (#25)

That's 5 guys and does not include guys like Dart, Allar Weigman or Donovan Smith.

his teammates don't like him, his off the field baggage and he plays hero ball.

Of the rest..

Ward has to overcome his corching to be viable, Milroe is average, maybe we'll see if he starts the whole season for Deboer.

Ewers, Beck and KState-OSU transfer are gonna be the top QBs and none of them were as good as the class this year.

--Atlanta Falcons

Not interested in Milroe. As a passer he looks rough. Milton-esque.

will always be more demand than supply when it comes to QBs. Teams you think are set at QB may suddenly realise they need an upgrade or injuries will occur. Or a team like Atlanta will take a shot.

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from the Bryce Young experiment. If Young struggles again this year, you have to think they'll be in line for the top pick. There are others too. TENN may decide to move on from Levis, the Jets if Rodgers can't complete the season. PITT, INDY, Vegas, Seattle, Rams could all be in the market this time next year.

No way. Shit the Cards extended Kyler Murray who honestly hasn't shown hes a top tier QB. Not even close IMO. Mid level at best. . And he's had multiple HOF level receivers. Should they and Carolina move on at some point ? Who knows but Cleveland moved on from Baker and looking back maybe they shouldn't have for another BBI favorite Mr Happy ending who hasn't won shit.

I'm of the beliefs there are never more than 3-6 Qb difference makers in the NFL at all times. For every idiot who claims they knew Mahommes whims he this good there are just as many who believed that about the other 90 % of QBs who haven't been that close. Too many variables. IMO. You do the best you can but throwing Carolina in there is way too early. That team sucks and I'm not sure Theresa QB in the NFL who would win there. Last year or this

When you have the last pick in the first round…..

Looking around the league, the only teams I'd say are in a similar spot:

-SEA
-NO (took a flier on Rattler)
-CLE (only because of Watson contract)
-TEN (Levis probably isn't it)
-LV
-TB (Mayfield a bridge)

There are some contracts to monitor:

-MIA
-JAX
-DAL
-DET (spent a 3rd round pick on Hooker)

I think we have the worst QB situation though. I don't understand not at least taking a swing on a development guy late. And, it's hard for me to understand not taking McCarthy since he was sitting there and wouldn't cost any assets.

Perhaps the Jets, Titans, Seattle, Raiders, Denver, Rams, Tampa.

I’ll believe it when I see it.

We are tied for the 1st pick right now. Something to track closely during the 2024 season. Again.

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Has Schoen and Daboll written all over him. He young (won’t turn 21 until next march), big and productive. This year will obviously be huge for him, but he had 25 tds to only 2 ints last year. Completion percentage needs to improve.

The question is…Will Schoen and Daboll be around to make the pick if we win only 5 games?

- Joe Schoen

are missing in this thread, one big one in particular. I’ll let you figure it out.

Milroe is waaay overrated on this board.

who is also coming off injuries... not excited about him either.