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Sy'56 : 4/26/2024 2:25 pm
As usual - I am going to dive right into a few names I expect to be on their short list. Schoen is a guy that likes to build his roster with balance. With most of the resources being used on offense to this point, I suspect both of tonight's picks will be used on the defensive side of the ball.

Cooper DeJean - S/Iowa is the standout name. I've been told there is a potential medical red flag on his foot - that could be the reason for his drop. The tweener status to him could be an add-on as well, similar to what we saw with Brian Branch last year. And like Branch - I would abruptly use the 47th pick on him without hesitation if he falls further. Ideal fit for the nickel-need and a good returner. Max Melton - CB/Rutgers and Mike Sainristil - CB/Michigan are the two other corners I like in this spot. Neither are big size guys though - so I could see them going after Kool-Aid McKinstry - CB/Alabama instead. An argument can be made he is the better fit, too.

The pass rush is something I have been discussing for months now. Even with Brian Burns, this team still needs to find a difference maker up front. Create a real identity that other teams fear. This can be DT or EDGE defender - there are are enough snaps to go around. Jer'Zhan Newton - DT/Illinois and Ruke Orhorhoro - DT / Clemson would be my first look if they drop to 47. Important to know some teams are scared off by Newton's foot injury on a less-than ideal frame. Orhorohoro never blossomed as a pass rusher at Clemson and his grade is more about projection that others. I feel safe with him because of how strong of a run defender he can be, however. High floor, sky-high ceiling with his untapped and raw tool set. We won't see an edge guy in round two that is worth the price, but Bralen Trice - Washington and Chris Braswell - Alabama are round three targets I feel good about.

Braden Fiske - DT/Florida State is a wildcard. I personally love the style he plays with and he has a special combination of athletic ability. His tape late in the year and at the Senior Bowl were dominant. Round 2 may be a bit rich - but getting him or even Michael Hall Jr. - DT/Ohio State shouldn't meet any resistance from anybody. If they hit their respective ceilings - that is the exact kind of impact this front can use.

All of this talk on defense has me peeking over at what can be there offensively. Many know I wanted McCarthy at 6 - we will have to wait and see how that goes. But seeing some of these receivers available has me wondering "what if" ...but I will stay away from this for now (no, I don't think NYG was in on Maye at 3). Anyway....

What about another OL addition? I lean toward Schoen wanting to stay away from young OL after signing four veterans that I plan on seeing on the week one roster. That said - there are multiple intriguing names available and I have to think at least one or two of these guys will drop to #47. This 32-50 range is always providing solid starting OL - notably inside. Jackson Powers-Johnson / Oregon and Zach Frazier / West Virginia are the top interior guys that can provide a hedge should center John Michael Schmitz not pan put. The former is being flagged for medicals, for what it's worth. If he keeps falling - I would assume it is more serious that first anticipated. The name I am MOST intrigued by is Kingsley Suamataia / BYU, a guy I initially thought would end up in the top 15 overall of my stack right next to JC Latham. While his inconsistencies pled up and pushed his grade down into day two - the thought of him coming here is hard to get over. He played both RT and LT in college - but some OL coaches say he will be best suited at guard. In some ways - he is the ideal fit for NYG.

The running backs are likely going to be looked at day three but there is no denying we will see some come off the board tonight. The loss of Barkley leaves the door cracked open and Trey Benson / Florida State is the one I would fully get behind on day two. Big, fast, unique back that can fill in multiple roles. Jonathon Brooks / Texas tore his ACL last November but he was easily trending toward RB1 in this class. Some view round 2 of this draft as a major discount on his impact down the road. With NYG not ready to fully compete - that could be a bargain that makes sense for the future vision. If they wait until round 4, however, I think multiple guys will still beg around that make this backfield better.

Lastly - tight end. Put me in the camp that believes Darren Waller is done. Even if he comes back - I do not feel good about his impact here in 2024 and obviously beyond. While this tight end group does not scream loud - there are certain points where the value needs to be discussed. Round 3 would be the earliest consideration - and there is where Ben Sinnott / Kansas State, Theo Johnson / Penn State, and the name I cannot seem to get out of my head, Johnny Wilson / Florida State are all options. If Kafka/Daboll believe Waller really could have been a turning point for their system - Wilson almost has to be considered day two.

That is all - Looking forward to day two. This is where NYG has been swinging and missing for years - and this is where they can create the biggest difference for themselves.
Thanks Sy  
Chris684 : 4/26/2024 2:37 pm : link
Even with Jones back in the fold, I want to continue to build out this offense around him and for whoever eventually replaces him. I’m really hoping for Benson today and would have no problem using 47 on him if we can’t get him in the 3rd.

Would love to pair him with a CB, S, DT and I’m also open to TE options.
Thank you sir  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 2:41 pm : link
for posting!
Did I hear  
Amtoft : 4/26/2024 2:42 pm : link
that Michael Hall has some character issue things. I like him as a player, but if he falls it will be because of that.
I would love a DT that could help stop the run.  
Blue21 : 4/26/2024 2:43 pm : link
I was so tired of watching the ball get rammed down out throat . And yes a DB be it safety or CB but obviously they have to be in the BPA category.Tomorrow a TE
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Micko : 4/26/2024 2:44 pm : link
Thanks!
Arigato!  
bigbluehoya : 4/26/2024 2:48 pm : link
Always a pleasure to read your stuff.
BTW  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 2:52 pm : link
this is my favorite day of the draft. I think Day 2 is crucial.
Thanks Sy!  
Dr. D : 4/26/2024 2:52 pm : link
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RE: Did I hear  
Eric on Li : 4/26/2024 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16491989 Amtoft said:
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that Michael Hall has some character issue things. I like him as a player, but if he falls it will be because of that.


heard that somewhere yesterday as well.

good stuff as always sy, agree almost across the board. only name you didnt mention id love at 47 is kris jenkins, but i think harbough is going to pick him anyway so probably wont matter.
great stuff  
bluefin : 4/26/2024 2:54 pm : link
Really appreciate these posts
Do you expect a trade up?  
slickwilly : 4/26/2024 2:54 pm : link
The players you listed seem like they will not drop to the Giants pick
Top 30/35 Visits  
US1 Giants : 4/26/2024 2:56 pm : link
I probably missed somebody but I think these guys from your list had visits with the Giants.

Max Melton - CB/Rutgers
Kool-Aid McKinstry - CB/Alabama
Trey Benson / Florida State
Ben Sinnott / Kansas State
Theo Johnson / Penn State
Jer'Zhan Newton - DT/Illinois
Given the many needs  
PetesHereNow : 4/26/2024 2:58 pm : link
RB, TE, pass rusher, CB and S look like they need help immediately. Might we see a trade down in rd2 in order to pick up an additional rd3 or 4 pick?
RE: Top 30/35 Visits  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 3:03 pm : link
In comment 16492042 US1 Giants said:
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I probably missed somebody but I think these guys from your list had visits with the Giants.

Max Melton - CB/Rutgers
Kool-Aid McKinstry - CB/Alabama
Trey Benson / Florida State
Ben Sinnott / Kansas State
Theo Johnson / Penn State
Jer'Zhan Newton - DT/Illinois


And based on Sy and other reports, some of those were probably medical checks.
RE: Given the many needs  
Amtoft : 4/26/2024 3:04 pm : link
In comment 16492047 PetesHereNow said:
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RB, TE, pass rusher, CB and S look like they need help immediately. Might we see a trade down in rd2 in order to pick up an additional rd3 or 4 pick?


I don't always like quantity over quality. The draft falls off after round 4 so moving down and missing on a better player for a 5th or 6th stab... no thanks.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 3:08 pm : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Thoughts heading into Day 2:

• The Giants absolutely should not draft a QB tonight. If they couldn't add a game-changer in the first round, there's no reason to use a later pick on a prospect who won't be a clear upgrade on what they have. They went BPA in the first round. Continue with that philosophy to build the best roster possible. The future at QB will be addressed in 2025.

• Schoen mentioned adding picks or trading up. Trading up would be a tough sell. As Schoen continues to say, there's plenty of holes on the roster. They only have five picks remaining. Not sure they're in position to reduce their swings by giving up picks in a trade. If they trade back, I'd be aiming for 2025 picks. They're going to need as much ammo as possible next year.

• I can't imagine the Giants double-dipping at WR, so they should be rooting for a run on the position at the start of the second round to push other players toward 47.

• Looking for possible Day 2 targets: Focus on players from big schools. Schoen's picks in the first three rounds as GM have all been from power conferences (if they still exist). Would be surprised by a swing on a small-school guy tonight.

• I don't think the Giants should be in a rush to trade Darius Slayton — it's OK to have multiple good players at a position. But if his unhappiness with his contract turns into a trade request, the Giants would have to be open to moving him if they can get a mid-round pick.

• Schoen has added some players with promise on Day 2 in the past, but be needs to crush it today. There's nothing that says you can't land a guy on Day 2 who is an immediate stud.
RE: ...  
Amtoft : 4/26/2024 3:13 pm : link
In comment 16492082 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Thoughts heading into Day 2:

• The Giants absolutely should not draft a QB tonight. If they couldn't add a game-changer in the first round, there's no reason to use a later pick on a prospect who won't be a clear upgrade on what they have. They went BPA in the first round. Continue with that philosophy to build the best roster possible. The future at QB will be addressed in 2025.

• Schoen mentioned adding picks or trading up. Trading up would be a tough sell. As Schoen continues to say, there's plenty of holes on the roster. They only have five picks remaining. Not sure they're in position to reduce their swings by giving up picks in a trade. If they trade back, I'd be aiming for 2025 picks. They're going to need as much ammo as possible next year.

• I can't imagine the Giants double-dipping at WR, so they should be rooting for a run on the position at the start of the second round to push other players toward 47.

• Looking for possible Day 2 targets: Focus on players from big schools. Schoen's picks in the first three rounds as GM have all been from power conferences (if they still exist). Would be surprised by a swing on a small-school guy tonight.

• I don't think the Giants should be in a rush to trade Darius Slayton — it's OK to have multiple good players at a position. But if his unhappiness with his contract turns into a trade request, the Giants would have to be open to moving him if they can get a mid-round pick.

• Schoen has added some players with promise on Day 2 in the past, but be needs to crush it today. There's nothing that says you can't land a guy on Day 2 who is an immediate stud.


That is all good stuff, but I wouldn't mind Joe Milton or Pratt in the 4th if they make it.
Thanks Sy!  
DonnieD89 : 4/26/2024 3:14 pm : link
Do you believe that there is a cluster of CBs and DTs that could be available at 47 with similar value, which may give consideration of a small trade down to pick up extra draft capital?
thanks Sy,  
barens : 4/26/2024 3:16 pm : link
just curious on your thoughts on 2 players, Blake Corum and Roger Rosengarten in round 3?

Also, is Max Melton only really suited to play nickel?
Odd that Sy thinks the Giants were NOT all in on Maye...  
Jim in Tampa : 4/26/2024 3:18 pm : link
when there are numerous reports that suggest otherwise.

I wonder if this has anything to do with Sy's rankings, as in, Sy rated JJ over Maye... the Giants passed on JJ, so therefore he concludes that the Giants were probably not in on Maye either.
Great  
AcidTest : 4/26/2024 3:24 pm : link
review! Thanks.

Ruke Orhorhoro would be my pick at #47.

I do think the Giants should consider trading down in the third round. Doing so doesn't mean favoring "quantity over quality." It's a recognition that most picks after the second round are fungible, and a few more can help improve the odds of finding a real contributor. Schoen has also had good success on day three with Bellinger, Belton, and McFadden.
Schoen has traded  
Dankbeerman : 4/26/2024 3:25 pm : link
3 times on day 2 the last 2 years. I think they have specific targets today but will adjust if someone they like slips.

They seemed to be locked in on Wandale in 22 and moved back twice because of it. In 23 they reacted to Hyatt on the board.

My belief is we will make a move or 2 today. A run on WR's in front of us helps push players down but also might make someone want to come up.
If they can't get a DB they like  
Biteymax22 : 4/26/2024 3:29 pm : link
Give me one of the DT's that can play in our pass rush package. Don't have to cover for long if the QB is on his back.
Thank you, Sy!  
GiantBlue : 4/26/2024 3:33 pm : link
You reign truly supreme and I thank you for all the insights!

You make the draft extra special.

I agree with Eric....tonight will be fun!
RE: ...  
56goat : 4/26/2024 3:48 pm : link
In comment 16492082 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Thoughts heading into Day 2:

• The Giants absolutely should not draft a QB tonight. If they couldn't add a game-changer in the first round, there's no reason to use a later pick on a prospect who won't be a clear upgrade on what they have. They went BPA in the first round. Continue with that philosophy to build the best roster possible. The future at QB will be addressed in 2025.

• Schoen mentioned adding picks or trading up. Trading up would be a tough sell. As Schoen continues to say, there's plenty of holes on the roster. They only have five picks remaining. Not sure they're in position to reduce their swings by giving up picks in a trade. If they trade back, I'd be aiming for 2025 picks. They're going to need as much ammo as possible next year.

• I can't imagine the Giants double-dipping at WR, so they should be rooting for a run on the position at the start of the second round to push other players toward 47.

• Looking for possible Day 2 targets: Focus on players from big schools. Schoen's picks in the first three rounds as GM have all been from power conferences (if they still exist). Would be surprised by a swing on a small-school guy tonight.

• I don't think the Giants should be in a rush to trade Darius Slayton — it's OK to have multiple good players at a position. But if his unhappiness with his contract turns into a trade request, the Giants would have to be open to moving him if they can get a mid-round pick.

• Schoen has added some players with promise on Day 2 in the past, but be needs to crush it today. There's nothing that says you can't land a guy on Day 2 who is an immediate stud.


The future at QB will be addressed in 2025. Yeah, heard that one before.

Day 2  
Des51 : 4/26/2024 3:49 pm : link
is where I feel you get the best value for your picks
Ben Sinnott  
Giant John : 4/26/2024 3:56 pm : link
Is a guy I have my eye on. Love to see in in Giant Blue. Also the Notre Dame running back. Give me a DT and CB in any particular order and I’m smiling.
Brandon Dorlus  
drac56 : 4/26/2024 3:57 pm : link
Kind of surprised he is not on the list.am i missing something
Good stuff Sy  
ThomasG : 4/26/2024 3:59 pm : link
Look forward to the names you mentioned at CB, RB and TE being called tonight.
Thx Sy!  
BleedBlue46 : 4/26/2024 4:03 pm : link
Always appreciated.
I think it's time for some Kool-Aid!  
Fishmanjim57 : 4/26/2024 4:05 pm : link
I think that kid would be a good fit here, and with Deonte Banks on the other side would be a stunning pair of CB's.
Depending on how the draft falls tonight…  
DeVito32 : 4/26/2024 4:18 pm : link
I’d love a trade down to pick up another 3rd round pick and have 4 picks in the top 100.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/26/2024 4:18 pm : link
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
Some names to watch for the #Giants on Day 2:
RB Trey Benson
RB MarShawn Lloyd
DT Jer'Zhan Newton
CB Andru Phillips
CB Bo Melton
TE Theo Johnson
TE Jared Wiley
S Jaden Hicks
S Cole Bishop
G Cooper Beebe

QB Spencer Rattler
always love your guidance as we move through the draft  
ColHowPepper : 4/26/2024 4:24 pm : link
thank you!
RE: BTW  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 4/26/2024 4:31 pm : link
In comment 16492021 Eric from BBI said:
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this is my favorite day of the draft. I think Day 2 is crucial.


A favorite day for me also. Actually, not because it is day 2 of the draft, but because it is my birthday!
RE: ...  
bw in dc : 4/26/2024 4:32 pm : link
In comment 16492306 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
Some names to watch for the #Giants on Day 2:
RB Trey Benson
RB MarShawn Lloyd
DT Jer'Zhan Newton
CB Andru Phillips
CB Bo Melton
TE Theo Johnson
TE Jared Wiley
S Jaden Hicks
S Cole Bishop
G Cooper Beebe

QB Spencer Rattler


Taking Rattler might cheer up GT. A few years ago he was pretty intrigued with Spence as a prospect.

That would liven up the board when Jones starts doing Jones things in 2024... ;)



Good stuff, Sy...  
bw in dc : 4/26/2024 4:33 pm : link
But the real nugget is your view on NYG not chasing Maye.

Excellent tease...
Thanks Sy  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/26/2024 4:34 pm : link
BPA, but I prefer a DT/DE if it breaks that way. Someone said Cooper's punt returns had more impact than Iowa's offense.
Agree about RB and I hope they get someone with some size.

Thank you SY!!  
giantstock : 4/26/2024 4:35 pm : link
I'm really hopeful for 2/3/4 in variation of DL/CB/OL
RE: RE: BTW  
AcidTest : 4/26/2024 4:47 pm : link
In comment 16492332 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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In comment 16492021 Eric from BBI said:


Quote:


this is my favorite day of the draft. I think Day 2 is crucial.



A favorite day for me also. Actually, not because it is day 2 of the draft, but because it is my birthday!


Happy Birthday! Best wishes! And many more!
RE: Did I hear  
Sy'56 : 4/26/2024 5:21 pm : link
In comment 16491989 Amtoft said:
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that Michael Hall has some character issue things. I like him as a player, but if he falls it will be because of that.


Hall Jr had a few maturity concenrs early in his career. Rock solid since 2022 - he is a father now and that can change things for the better.
RE: Do you expect a trade up?  
Sy'56 : 4/26/2024 5:22 pm : link
In comment 16492032 slickwilly said:
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The players you listed seem like they will not drop to the Giants pick


I do not - I can see a trade down for some 2025 capital
RE: Thanks Sy!  
Sy'56 : 4/26/2024 5:23 pm : link
In comment 16492098 DonnieD89 said:
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Do you believe that there is a cluster of CBs and DTs that could be available at 47 with similar value, which may give consideration of a small trade down to pick up extra draft capital?


Yes I do - unless Melton/Sainristil are there. Have to take one of those guys
RE: ...  
Sy'56 : 4/26/2024 5:23 pm : link
In comment 16492306 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
Some names to watch for the #Giants on Day 2:
RB Trey Benson
RB MarShawn Lloyd
DT Jer'Zhan Newton
CB Andru Phillips
CB Bo Melton
TE Theo Johnson
TE Jared Wiley
S Jaden Hicks
S Cole Bishop
G Cooper Beebe

QB Spencer Rattler


It is Max Melton, no Bo
RE: Brandon Dorlus  
Sy'56 : 4/26/2024 5:24 pm : link
In comment 16492246 drac56 said:
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Kind of surprised he is not on the list.am i missing something


More of a round 4 guy
Sy  
Anakim : 4/26/2024 5:26 pm : link
I know you alluded to the DeJean injury possibly pushing him down, but what about Newton's? Newton is a top-15 talent, IMO, but I think he's also dealing with an injury.
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 4/26/2024 5:49 pm : link
In comment 16492488 Anakim said:
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I know you alluded to the DeJean injury possibly pushing him down, but what about Newton's? Newton is a top-15 talent, IMO, but I think he's also dealing with an injury.


Likely medical as well (foot)
Wilson is not a tight end. He doesn’t have the frame.  
BigBlueBuff : 4/26/2024 5:56 pm : link
He runs nearly the entire route tree and is a dominant perimeter blocker. Why in Earth would you minimize what he does well simply because he’s bigger than the prototype? It’s bizarre.
RE: Wilson is not a tight end. He doesn’t have the frame.  
section125 : 4/26/2024 6:12 pm : link
In comment 16492570 BigBlueBuff said:
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He runs nearly the entire route tree and is a dominant perimeter blocker. Why in Earth would you minimize what he does well simply because he’s bigger than the prototype? It’s bizarre.


Because he is very much like Waller - that is the comparison. If you like Waller, you will like Wilson.
RE: Wilson is not a tight end. He doesn’t have the frame.  
Sy'56 : 4/26/2024 6:19 pm : link
In comment 16492570 BigBlueBuff said:
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He runs nearly the entire route tree and is a dominant perimeter blocker. Why in Earth would you minimize what he does well simply because he’s bigger than the prototype? It’s bizarre.


Everyone said the same thing about Waller when he came out
Interesting point by Stapleton  
bigbluehoya : 4/26/2024 6:25 pm : link
Part of what made the NYG fall in love with Deonte Banks was his tape against Marvin Harrison Jr

Another CB in range tonight who put some strong play on tape against MHJ…

Max Melton
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