Lombardi: NYG trade up derailed by NE needing to get to 4/5

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In comment 16492020 Go Terps said:

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Full bloom love.

gold jacket guy

In comment 16492037 Stars_and_stripes said:

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where if McCarthy falls to 6 Giants draft him and then they make the trade? Kinda like 2004 Eli/Rivers Not buying unless those type of deals were outlawed.

exactly!!!! this cant possibly be true, a third grader could have worked around this issue

In comment 16492205 Eric from BBI said:

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I think it was the Eli trade that caused it.

I don’t think it was ever explicitly banned but if the Chargers decided to back out of the deal then the Giants would have gotten stuck with Rivers.

In comment 16492225 McNally's_Nuts said:

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In comment 16492205 Eric from BBI said: Quote: I think it was the Eli trade that caused it. I don’t think it was ever explicitly banned but if the Chargers decided to back out of the deal then the Giants would have gotten stuck with Rivers.

Someone posted the rules. It was banned. You can't trade drafted players until under contract now.

You were wrong!

The Giants.

Who actuallly know what play was called

Think Daniel Jones can read defenses.

All of the people that have been acting like toddlers since Nabers was drafted are upset that their narrative appears incorrect.

The reasons being regurgitated are a thing of beauty.

Mara made them do it.

Or

Schoen must incompetent.

It could not possibly be.

You’re the dunce.

Dunning Kruger.

In comment 16492240 Thegratefulhead said:

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You were wrong! The Giants. Who actuallly know what play was called Think Daniel Jones can read defenses. All of the people that have been acting like toddlers since Nabers was drafted are upset that their narrative appears incorrect. The reasons being regurgitated are a thing of beauty. Mara made them do it. Or Schoen must incompetent. It could not possibly be. You’re the dunce. Dunning Kruger.

It's hard to take you seriously when you don't know how to type in sentences.

Just not more than Nabers.

In comment 16492240 Thegratefulhead said:

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You were wrong! The Giants. Who actuallly know what play was called Think Daniel Jones can read defenses. All of the people that have been acting like toddlers since Nabers was drafted are upset that their narrative appears incorrect. The reasons being regurgitated are a thing of beauty. Mara made them do it. Or Schoen must incompetent. It could not possibly be. You’re the dunce. Dunning Kruger.

In comment 16492036 Eric from BBI said:

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that would jive with what we were being told.

Yep.

then Nabers is.

Even an average QB is worth more then an amazing WR.

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Listen, I’ll bash the Giants as much as the next guy, but how does this reflect badly on NYG? The Pats didn’t want to move back to six because they didn’t think JJM would be there. That was their call and nothing Giants could do otherwise.

See contract: Daniel Jones ... stupid to pay market rate (and far more in our case) for a very average QB. Bent over the barrel in QB hell.

In comment 16492262 BigBlueCane said:

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then Nabers is. Even an average QB is worth more then an amazing WR.

I’d take an elite WR over an average QB 100 times out of 100. If you have an average QB you’re stuck in QB hell.

I think McCarthy will be a lot better than average, but the Giants were not sold enough to take him over Nabers

that's the point.

We're not getting out of as long as Jones is on the roster.

Period. Full stop.

In comment 16492255 ajr2456 said:

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Just not more than Nabers.

You think they would have taken him if LAC went Nabers? I just can't see them having a first rd grade on JJM at this point. I think GiantGrit and Woodstock were right plus Rico said he was always a smokescreen too. If they liked him I think they would've taken him at 6 or traded down and taken him. I tend to believe they didn't have him in their 15 first round graded players.

but I didn't think JJ was the proper escape hatch either. The right QB was gone. Giants agreed. Onto the next ...

Lombardi is a blowhole. If NE wanted a trade with the chargers they would’ve gotten it(from 6). Chargers were taking Alt and everyone knew what NE was doing if they traded down to 6. Arizona I believe about not wanting to move but then again we all knew why. So if NE wanted JJ at 6 or 5 they def could’ve made that happen. I call CAP!

In comment 16492277 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 16492262 BigBlueCane said: Quote: then Nabers is. Even an average QB is worth more then an amazing WR. I’d take an elite WR over an average QB 100 times out of 100. If you have an average QB you’re stuck in QB hell. I think McCarthy will be a lot better than average, but the Giants were not sold enough to take him over Nabers

Daboll must have felt he couldn't improve his release, throwing motion, touch and accuracy on the money balls. Or else I can't see them passing on him. At least that's how I'm reasoning it.

In comment 16492285 JonC said:

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but I didn't think JJ was the proper escape hatch either. The right QB was gone. Giants agreed. Onto the next ...

We've got to eat shit as fans for another year. I can't believe it's already on to the 2025 season. We've been eating shit for since they turned in the card for Barkley. The events that followed have been horrific for the franchise.

In comment 16492286 Bleedblue10 said:

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Lombardi is a blowhole. If NE wanted a trade with the chargers they would’ve gotten it(from 6). Chargers were taking Alt and everyone knew what NE was doing if they traded down to 6. Arizona I believe about not wanting to move but then again we all knew why. So if NE wanted JJ at 6 or 5 they def could’ve made that happen. I call CAP!

Minnesota hyping up their love for JJM could have scared NE away. AZ and LAC probably couldn't give a guarantee they wouldn't trade and couldn't say what it would cost without knowing what other teams would offer.

If they wanted to trade w us they could’ve. I believe they just wanted more and more and Schoen(and Minnesota) for that matter had to draw a line somewhere where it wasn’t ridiculous. Those articles about a “kings ransom” and “legendary haul” were prob true. Fuck NE anyway. Something tells me they enjoyed sticking it to us after SB46 and 42

Again, this was a mistake and unless the team manages to really, really overperform this year, it will likely cost Daboll his job and Schoen front office power.

In comment 16492249 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 16492240 Thegratefulhead said: Quote: You were wrong! The Giants. Who actuallly know what play was called Think Daniel Jones can read defenses. All of the people that have been acting like toddlers since Nabers was drafted are upset that their narrative appears incorrect. The reasons being regurgitated are a thing of beauty. Mara made them do it. Or Schoen must incompetent. It could not possibly be. You’re the dunce. Dunning Kruger. It's hard to take you seriously when you don't know how to type in sentences.

OK Mikey

Are you one of the tools that’s says.

Daniel Jones can’t read defenses or please be specific in your criticisms.

The Giants passed on 3 QBs that were drafted in round 1

The Giants have the best scouting on Daniel Jones.

I conclude from this that the people on this board insisting Jones can’t read a defense are completely full of shit.

In comment 16492284 BleedBlue46 said:

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In comment 16492255 ajr2456 said: Quote: Just not more than Nabers. You think they would have taken him if LAC went Nabers? I just can't see them having a first rd grade on JJM at this point. I think GiantGrit and Woodstock were right plus Rico said he was always a smokescreen too. If they liked him I think they would've taken him at 6 or traded down and taken him. I tend to believe they didn't have him in their 15 first round graded players.

I think JJM was 3rd on their list at 6.

Nabers
Odunze

In comment 16492292 Sean said:

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In comment 16492285 JonC said: Quote: but I didn't think JJ was the proper escape hatch either. The right QB was gone. Giants agreed. Onto the next ... We've got to eat shit as fans for another year. I can't believe it's already on to the 2025 season. We've been eating shit for since they turned in the card for Barkley. The events that followed have been horrific for the franchise.

This sums it up well.

In comment 16492058 Andy in Boston said:

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did they have several meetings with him and were in touch with him all the time?

Then why didn't they draft him?

than pick the wrong QB again.

also suck and are incapable of acknowledging that.

CFB has changed the way it does business and you're seeing the smarter NFL franchises react accordingly.

Meanwhile the Giants are gonna run Daniel Mara out there again trying to recapture lighting in the bottle.

Mikey? Are you 12 years old?

I am so glad you

dident

call me a poopy head

could break me poor

admit facts!!

that's some high-level reporting by Lombardi, since the Giants passed on him.

As I've said, if Giants FO didn't have a conviction on JJM, good for them on passing.

They will extend him.

Bank on it.

In comment 16492308 JonC said:

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than pick the wrong QB again.

You're going to get both.

"The quarterback makes the receiver, the receiver doesn't make the quarterback"

In comment 16492311 BigBlueCane said:

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also suck and are incapable of acknowledging that. CFB has changed the way it does business and you're seeing the smarter NFL franchises react accordingly. Meanwhile the Giants are gonna run Daniel Mara out there again trying to recapture lighting in the bottle.

This I can agree with, at a minimum they're green and not sticking to a plan. But, picking JJ wouldn't solve the QB problems imo.

In comment 16492312 Mike from Ohio said:

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Mikey? Are you 12 years old? I am so glad you dident call me a poopy head could break me poor admit facts!!

What facts homey?

The Giants did not draft a QB.

What does that mean?

Explain it?

Mara made them do it.

Show me on the doll where Mara hurt you.

You couldn’t possibly be wrong, I get it.

In comment 16492311 BigBlueCane said:

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also suck and are incapable of acknowledging that. CFB has changed the way it does business and you're seeing the smarter NFL franchises react accordingly. Meanwhile the Giants are gonna run Daniel Mara out there again trying to recapture lighting in the bottle.

They do
Guess you are one of those guys who evaluates a draft class after a year or two

Maybe you can enlighten us how other franchises are adjusting and our heads are in the sand

I wanted a QB but love the player they drafted and am hopeful we can have a good season. It seems like a lot of talent. I was bullish at the start of 23 but the injuries and schedule scuttled the season early. I like the offseason moves and believe they might be able to protect Jones.

If that happens I think Jones could deliver the ball to playmakers in space and with the increased team speed believe it could be productive. Excited for 24. I see many people bailing on the season because they did not get their way in round 1.

Toddlers, no other description is appropriate.

In comment 16492292 Sean said:

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In comment 16492285 JonC said: Quote: but I didn't think JJ was the proper escape hatch either. The right QB was gone. Giants agreed. Onto the next ... We've got to eat shit as fans for another year. I can't believe it's already on to the 2025 season. We've been eating shit for since they turned in the card for Barkley. The events that followed have been horrific for the franchise.

You can also be wrong. QB play can exceed your expectations. The D could play well and keep us around .500. We are no longer going to rely on our run game to win games, which is what everyone wanted. The OL might be better, we finally have a WR corps.

It’s not all bad.

In comment 16492303 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 16492284 BleedBlue46 said: Quote: In comment 16492255 ajr2456 said: Quote: Just not more than Nabers. You think they would have taken him if LAC went Nabers? I just can't see them having a first rd grade on JJM at this point. I think GiantGrit and Woodstock were right plus Rico said he was always a smokescreen too. If they liked him I think they would've taken him at 6 or traded down and taken him. I tend to believe they didn't have him in their 15 first round graded players. I think JJM was 3rd on their list at 6. Nabers Odunze

Well then there was 0% chance. I was honestly praying LAC took Nabers thinking maybe that would give us a better chance at JJM. I'm fine with it though, Nabers is as elite of a wr prospect as you'll find. It is what it is.

In comment 16492342 Thegratefulhead said:

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I wanted a QB but love the player they drafted and am hopeful we can have a good season. It seems like a lot of talent. I was bullish at the start of 23 but the injuries and schedule scuttled the season early. I like the offseason moves and believe they might be able to protect Jones. If that happens I think Jones could deliver the ball to playmakers in space and with the increased team speed believe it could be productive. Excited for 24. I see many people bailing on the season because they did not get their way in round 1. Toddlers, no other description is appropriate.

No matter who we got we were unlikely to be very good in 2024. That's why it's great we saved that 2025 1st. Look at our schedule. We will have 5-8 wins and be picking 3-12 in the draft my friend.

by giving the franchise a sense of hope and feeling of change. Might he still crash and burn? Yes. but at least you'd have a chance of something positive.

Keeping the status quo was the most tone deaf move they've made since JS arrived.

In comment 16492354 BigBlueCane said:

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by giving the franchise a sense of hope and feeling of change. Might he still crash and burn? Yes. but at least you'd have a chance of something positive. Keeping the status quo was the most tone deaf move they've made since JS arrived.

So they should draft a QB that they don’t have a conviction on? But they should draft one based upon feelings?

Please tell us more

is not a positive. Again, look at what NIL is doing to the collegiate ranks when it comes to talent distribution.

A chunk of the fan base, but I don't expect the organization to run that way.

If they got Maye, I'd be ecstatic. If they passed on Maye, I'd feel like you do about JJ. I just don't agree on the prospect.

In comment 16492345 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 16492292 Sean said: Quote: In comment 16492285 JonC said: Quote: but I didn't think JJ was the proper escape hatch either. The right QB was gone. Giants agreed. Onto the next ... We've got to eat shit as fans for another year. I can't believe it's already on to the 2025 season. We've been eating shit for since they turned in the card for Barkley. The events that followed have been horrific for the franchise. You can also be wrong. QB play can exceed your expectations. The D could play well and keep us around .500. We are no longer going to rely on our run game to win games, which is what everyone wanted. The OL might be better, we finally have a WR corps. It’s not all bad.

This is the critical piece. Nabers presence could drastically change the way teams play us. It could open up the rest of the offense in the way we expected Waller to do. The addition of Waller was a large part of the reason BW predicted the Giants would win 11 games in 23. If t his happens and Jones produces, some very vocal high volume posters are going to look monumentally stupid.

These people post so much , that their opinions have become VERY important to them.

So today, they are mad.

I have to admit BBI is a lot of fun to read today.

All day baby!

they JUST gave DJ that enormous contract and they're not ready or willing to admit it was a mistake. It's a ton of money they are paying him this year, regardless of whether they had drafted a QB. I think they were only willing to eat that money if it was for someone they viewed as a generational prospect and Maye was the only one they felt fit that description.

The Giants don't like admitting mistakes quickly, and Mara in particular, takes a very long time to move on from guys he really likes.

They'd never admit it, but I'm pretty sure they realize the likelihood of a playoff caliber season is pretty small this year.

My fear is they have a season slightly better than last year, but still not good enough to make the playoffs and then restructure and extend Jones because they're not high enough in the draft to get a QB in 2025.

They are in that weird zone of being too good to pick top 5 and not good enough to be a playoff contender. It's a really shitty place to be.

history informed it as such.

I don't know what has to happen for them to make a correct decision on Jones.

In comment 16492399 JonC said:

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history informed it as such. I don't know what has to happen for them to make a correct decision on Jones.

Yep, if you go back to January/February, a lot of this was predicted by people on BBI. Add that to the list of problems, the franchise is predictable in just about everything they do.