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| The Minnesota Vikings and New York Giants did make offers to the New England Patriots for the No. 3 pick to take Drake Maye. Earlier this week, Minnesota offered the Nos. 11 and 23 picks, and its 2025 first-rounder, with pick swaps favoring the Vikings as part of the proposal; and that offer ticked up with New England on the clock. The Giants, meanwhile, did wind up putting their 2025 first-round pick in their offer to move from No. 6 to No. 3. Ultimately, nothing came close to moving the Patriots off their choice. In fact, that Kevin O’Connell and Brian Daboll were the head coaches interested, only emboldened New England to stay put. The Giants, of course, got a weapon for Daniel Jones, selecting star receiver Malik Nabers. The Vikings, meanwhile, were emboldened to draw a line in the sand on trade terms, and work within their boundaries by the alternate plan to wait for J.J. McCarthy—knowing that the Atlanta Falcons had a visit with McCarthy canceled, the Giants were Maye-specific at the position, and the Arizona Cardinals, Los Angeles Chargers, Tennessee Titans, Chicago Bears and New York Jets wouldn’t take a quarterback—and use the trade-up assets to build around him. So they let the Michigan star come to them, flipping picks at ith the Jets just to be sure. |
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In comment 16492579 Essex said:
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the fact that we were willing to give up two drafts basically for Drake Maye tells you what our brain trust thinks of him. So if this report is true, I applaud our front office for putting an amazing offer out there. However, the fact that it didn’t work and we are stuck with a player that the team was so desperate to get rid of, does depress me and where we are going as a team.
Don't you think that they thought very highly of Drake Maye more than being desperate. If they were desperate for a QB to get rid of DJ they would have traded the 3rd 1st to get Maye or would have drafted JJM. So you can rest assured they aren't as desperate as fans are because they took BPA rather than reach for a QB they didn't think was that much better than DJ.
That is semantics. They think Drake Maye is such an upgrade that they were willing to give up two drafts for him. Whether they think JJM or Nix or Pennix is not an upgrade is really besides the point
Ummm what? If they thought Drake Maye was Josh Allen they were going to give up two drafts to get him. NE thought that wasn't enough to move down 3 spots because they liked Drake Maye that much. So if you just want to complain about DJ then do it, but your logic isn't very good.
My logic is that the Giants saw a championship QB upgrade and despite a really great offer couldn’t get it done. If they thought they had a a championship QB would they have made that offer. This is not hard logic. Your logic is because they didn’t think JJM was an upgrade, I should be happy about that. That says nothing of Daniel Jones, it says something about JJM.
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I think NYG tried hard to get MIN to trade up - that was their intent
Why? To push down Nabers?
or even Harrison.
I think NYG wanted to do everything they could to get 4 QBs taken before 6.
Fantastic
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In comment 16492473 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16492459 Sy'56 said:
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I think NYG tried hard to get MIN to trade up - that was their intent
Why? To push down Nabers?
or even Harrison.
I think NYG wanted to do everything they could to get 4 QBs taken before 6.
Fantastic
Look at what Woodstock said. He said they absolutely wanted Maye and in another thread he said they definitely want to rid themselves of DJ.
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I think NYG tried hard to get MIN to trade up - that was their intent
This is incorrect. They absolutely wanted Maye.
Don't think so
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In comment 16492605 Essex said:
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In comment 16492597 Amtoft said:
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In comment 16492579 Essex said:
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the fact that we were willing to give up two drafts basically for Drake Maye tells you what our brain trust thinks of him. So if this report is true, I applaud our front office for putting an amazing offer out there. However, the fact that it didn’t work and we are stuck with a player that the team was so desperate to get rid of, does depress me and where we are going as a team.
Don't you think that they thought very highly of Drake Maye more than being desperate. If they were desperate for a QB to get rid of DJ they would have traded the 3rd 1st to get Maye or would have drafted JJM. So you can rest assured they aren't as desperate as fans are because they took BPA rather than reach for a QB they didn't think was that much better than DJ.
That is semantics. They think Drake Maye is such an upgrade that they were willing to give up two drafts for him. Whether they think JJM or Nix or Pennix is not an upgrade is really besides the point
Ummm what? If they thought Drake Maye was Josh Allen they were going to give up two drafts to get him. NE thought that wasn't enough to move down 3 spots because they liked Drake Maye that much. So if you just want to complain about DJ then do it, but your logic isn't very good.
My logic is that the Giants saw a championship QB upgrade and despite a really great offer couldn’t get it done. If they thought they had a a championship QB would they have made that offer. This is not hard logic. Your logic is because they didn’t think JJM was an upgrade, I should be happy about that. That says nothing of Daniel Jones, it says something about JJM.
I got it... you are sad because you just found out DJ isn't a championship QB.
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In comment 16492459 Sy'56 said:
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I think NYG tried hard to get MIN to trade up - that was their intent
This is incorrect. They absolutely wanted Maye.
Don't think so
Sorry brother but I know so from a Giants scout. Not a shot at u but it's a fact
But we'll never know.
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In comment 16492614 Amtoft said:
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In comment 16492605 Essex said:
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In comment 16492597 Amtoft said:
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In comment 16492579 Essex said:
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the fact that we were willing to give up two drafts basically for Drake Maye tells you what our brain trust thinks of him. So if this report is true, I applaud our front office for putting an amazing offer out there. However, the fact that it didn’t work and we are stuck with a player that the team was so desperate to get rid of, does depress me and where we are going as a team.
Don't you think that they thought very highly of Drake Maye more than being desperate. If they were desperate for a QB to get rid of DJ they would have traded the 3rd 1st to get Maye or would have drafted JJM. So you can rest assured they aren't as desperate as fans are because they took BPA rather than reach for a QB they didn't think was that much better than DJ.
That is semantics. They think Drake Maye is such an upgrade that they were willing to give up two drafts for him. Whether they think JJM or Nix or Pennix is not an upgrade is really besides the point
Ummm what? If they thought Drake Maye was Josh Allen they were going to give up two drafts to get him. NE thought that wasn't enough to move down 3 spots because they liked Drake Maye that much. So if you just want to complain about DJ then do it, but your logic isn't very good.
My logic is that the Giants saw a championship QB upgrade and despite a really great offer couldn’t get it done. If they thought they had a a championship QB would they have made that offer. This is not hard logic. Your logic is because they didn’t think JJM was an upgrade, I should be happy about that. That says nothing of Daniel Jones, it says something about JJM.
I got it... you are sad because you just found out DJ isn't a championship QB.
I dunno, isn’t that kind of the goal?
I got it... you are sad because you just found out DJ isn't a championship QB.
I dunno, isn’t that kind of the goal?
Yes, but you can't force a team to trade... This isn't Madden and if you don't think the other QBs were that guy you have to take BPA on a team that is full of holes.
But we'll never know.
Did you see Woodstock said they definitely wanted Maye and in another thread he said they definitely want to get rid if DJ?
He was right about us definitely not wanting JJM, so I'd say he gets a badge for that or something haha.
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In comment 16492459 Sy'56 said:
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I think NYG tried hard to get MIN to trade up - that was their intent
This is incorrect. They absolutely wanted Maye.
Don't think so
Sorry brother but I know so from a Giants scout. Not a shot at u but it's a fact
Time will tell but I'm much happier with Nabers and 47, 2025 1st and 2nd than Maye. I still think Maye will be average or worse.
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the Giants never had any intention of taking a QB this year. It was all a ruse.
But we'll never know.
Did you see Woodstock said they definitely wanted Maye and in another thread he said they definitely want to get rid if DJ?
He was right about us definitely not wanting JJM, so I'd say he gets a badge for that or something haha.
If the Giants know how the leaks are getting out, they would feed misinformation.
I'm not saying Sy is right, but I would not discount it at all.
Yep, that's what I think
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In comment 16492669 Eric from BBI said:
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the Giants never had any intention of taking a QB this year. It was all a ruse.
But we'll never know.
Did you see Woodstock said they definitely wanted Maye and in another thread he said they definitely want to get rid if DJ?
He was right about us definitely not wanting JJM, so I'd say he gets a badge for that or something haha.
If the Giants know how the leaks are getting out, they would feed misinformation.
I'm not saying Sy is right, but I would not discount it at all.
All Woodstock ever said was we 100% were not interested in JJM which seems clear at this point. He just said in this thread that his source is a Giants scout. He's batting 1000 right now.
if jjm knew NE was likely picking maye when he was on rich eisen it's likely his agent told him to convey that the giants want him to get teams as motivated as possible to move up for him as high as possible.
If Schoen made an offer, even if it was a low ball, he had to be prepared for the possibility New England might say yes. You don't get to say JK.
He could have told the staff we're trying to get Maye because he was their top player, he could have told himself I'm only doing this to get others to bite, but ultimately it sounds like he made an offer.
If Schoen made an offer, even if it was a low ball, he had to be prepared for the possibility New England might say yes. You don't get to say JK.
He could have told the staff we're trying to get Maye because he was their top player, he could have told himself I'm only doing this to get others to bite, but ultimately it sounds like he made an offer.
McCarthy was clearly a smokescreen.
Maye? Sy says yes. I never considered that. But it's possible. There is nothing that says you can pull back your offer.
McCarthy was clearly a smokescreen.
Maye? Sy says yes. I never considered that. But it's possible. There is nothing that says you can pull back your offer.
You can definitely pull back an offer, but that's a credibility destroyer in a field where your credibility with other GMs is basically your most important currency.
I can easily see that.
I don't see their plan for him.
Too bad.
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In negotiations there are things you to tell others, things you tell yourself, and the things you do.
If Schoen made an offer, even if it was a low ball, he had to be prepared for the possibility New England might say yes. You don't get to say JK.
He could have told the staff we're trying to get Maye because he was their top player, he could have told himself I'm only doing this to get others to bite, but ultimately it sounds like he made an offer.
McCarthy was clearly a smokescreen.
Maye? Sy says yes. I never considered that. But it's possible. There is nothing that says you can pull back your offer.
Well I'm a lot happier with Nabers than the king's ransom for Maye. That's for sure. It will be fun to see how all these QBs pan out though. JJM is stoked!
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is probably Drake Maye. New England will likely start him too soon. He has great bust potential with the wrong organisation, and I reckon the Pats will make a mess of "developing" Maye.
I can easily see that.
I don't see their plan for him.
Too bad.
This x1000, Maye already concerned me with his apparent tendency to crumble mentally under pressure. Add to that being on the Patriots with a defensive minded first time head coach and worst offensive supporting cast in the league. Not a great combination to say the least.
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is probably Drake Maye. New England will likely start him too soon. He has great bust potential with the wrong organisation, and I reckon the Pats will make a mess of "developing" Maye.
I can easily see that.
I don't see their plan for him.
Too bad.
i'll 3rd that.
defensive head coach from the old staff.
van pelt not much of a resume as an OC (mayfield and watson both played their worst with him).
maye supposedly not kraft's guy.
kraft hasnt even officially made wolf GM yet.
their current starting WRs are bourne off ACL, kj osbourn, and demario douglas.
taking him was the right pick but now comes the hard part.
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I think NYG tried hard to get MIN to trade up - that was their intent
This is incorrect. They absolutely wanted Maye.
Is the offer Rick heard of pick 6, 47, 2025 1st and 2nd right?
I don't know. I'm not privileged to that kinda info. A friend of mine is friendly with a couple of guys in the organization.
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In comment 16492459 Sy'56 said:
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I think NYG tried hard to get MIN to trade up - that was their intent
This is incorrect. They absolutely wanted Maye.
Is the offer Rick heard of pick 6, 47, 2025 1st and 2nd right?
I don't know. I'm not privileged to that kinda info. A friend of mine is friendly with a couple of guys in the organization.
Right on, we appreciate the tidbits you can share. I truly think we dodged a bullet with the Maye tradeup. I was praying you weren't right about us and JJM, but you were. All good, can't complain about Nabers and we will see how the QBs do in their respective spots.
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In comment 16492642 Gruber said:
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is probably Drake Maye. New England will likely start him too soon. He has great bust potential with the wrong organisation, and I reckon the Pats will make a mess of "developing" Maye.
I can easily see that.
I don't see their plan for him.
Too bad.
i'll 3rd that.
defensive head coach from the old staff.
van pelt not much of a resume as an OC (mayfield and watson both played their worst with him).
maye supposedly not kraft's guy.
kraft hasnt even officially made wolf GM yet.
their current starting WRs are bourne off ACL, kj osbourn, and demario douglas.
taking him was the right pick but now comes the hard part.
I think they would have been much better off trading down and taking JJM myself. He'll I know hindsight is 20/20, but it sounds like they could have gotten 11. 23, 2025 1st and 3rd for 3. Then they could have gotten JJM and traded up for Turner like Min did, or done whatever there. That would have been solid. Or traded with us and gotten Penix or JJM plus 47 2025 1st and 2nd potentially. They are going to regret that imo.
If Schoen & Daboll really thought Maye could project to Josh Allen, then they would have needed 6, 39, 47 & next years 1st & 3rd to really make NE say no. That's a godfather offer. You can even throw in a 2026 first as well. Do the Pats say no to that? I'm sure when we all plug in the eventual names they'll be uninspiring.
If Schoen & Daboll really thought Maye could project to Josh Allen, then they would have needed 6, 39, 47 & next years 1st & 3rd to really make NE say no. That's a godfather offer. You can even throw in a 2026 first as well. Do the Pats say no to that? I'm sure when we all plug in the eventual names they'll be uninspiring.
Sounds like Kraft pulled the plug to me or they asked for more at the 11th hour. Either way, 39 wasn't the difference maker.
But we'll never know.
We’ll I Jones turns it around since I got a signed helmet now … lol
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The #Colts tried to trade up No. 15 all the way to the #Giants' pick at No. 6 in last night's 1st round, sources tell
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Sources also say the Giants included their 2025 1st-round pick & this year's 2nd-rounder in an offer for No. 3 overall that the #Patriots turned down.
That and more in my story on Malik Nabers, the new face of this evolving franchise and how he may unlock a new identity on offense
@PLeonardNYDN
The #Colts tried to trade up No. 15 all the way to the #Giants' pick at No. 6 in last night's 1st round, sources tell
@NYDNSports
.
Sources also say the Giants included their 2025 1st-round pick & this year's 2nd-rounder in an offer for No. 3 overall that the #Patriots turned down.
That and more in my story on Malik Nabers, the new face of this evolving franchise and how he may unlock a new identity on offense
I wonder what that Colts offer looked like.
As much as the Patriots GM might have wanted to move down and collect a kings ransom. That's where I can see Kraft as the owner, nix any deals last minute.
Good move by Kraft then. If you believe Maye is a franchise QB, then you simply don’t trade out.
If Schoen & Daboll really thought Maye could project to Josh Allen, then they would have needed 6, 39, 47 & next years 1st & 3rd to really make NE say no. That's a godfather offer. You can even throw in a 2026 first as well. Do the Pats say no to that? I'm sure when we all plug in the eventual names they'll be uninspiring.
Giving that much up for Drake Maye is unconscionable.
And that was also idiotic.
@PLeonardNYDN
The #Colts tried to trade up No. 15 all the way to the #Giants' pick at No. 6 in last night's 1st round, sources tell
@NYDNSports
.
Sources also say the Giants included their 2025 1st-round pick & this year's 2nd-rounder in an offer for No. 3 overall that the #Patriots turned down.
That and more in my story on Malik Nabers, the new face of this evolving franchise and how he may unlock a new identity on offense
Is that identity going to be Nabers looking back at Jones, putting up his hands and saying, “WTF?”
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If the Giants offered 6, 47, a future 1st and 3rd and New England turned it down, there's really nothing else to say. New England wasn't trading the pick.
The scouting process spoke, and there were three blue chip QBs.
The scouting process also spoke, and there were three QBs right on the next level.
What we'll see next is if the Giants let great be the enemy of good.
yep. and what's more, this is admittedly small sample but in his 60 second reviews it sounded to me like belichek was more positive on jjm as anyone else.
i know we reflexively want to say everything is speculation but this is the first time in like 40 years BB isn't doing it for real. he's the greatest coach of the generation. his comments yesterday deserve probably orders of magnitude more weight/attention than anyone else on the other 100 microphones combined.
"tough, great leader, alpha type, teammates love him, makes a lot of good decisions, he'll work well with the vikings" https://x.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1783698615430418579 - ( New Window )
Eh, same guy liked Mac Jones. He has a type. He thinks every tough leader is the next Tom Brady. Sometimes they're Mac Jones.
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I think NYG tried hard to get MIN to trade up - that was their intent
This is incorrect. They absolutely wanted Maye.
Don't think so
Remember - Schoen texted Jones about the Nabers pick before it was announced.
"They're not scouting all of these QBs as a smokescreen..."
Are we sure about that?
I do think they liked Maye and wanted him, but it wasn't to a level which they were going to get him. There was a deal to be closed and they didn't close it. I think the Jones contract impacted it and perhaps fear of where Carolina is.
Unlike Atlanta, Schoen was probably thinking, "we're stuck with Jones anyway, might as well build the roster."
The one thing that I take note of is the comments Schneider made about Lock wanting to compete for a job. He has no reason to lie.
Lock coming here thinking he can be Baker Mayfield and get that contract. Talk about QB hell.
That's the other thing people are gonna have to figure into this.
[quote] cost them assets they could have used to trade for Maye.
That's the other thing people are gonna have to figure into this. [/quote
We knew the price before Burns, and it was very likely to be no price. We could have included other picks besides 39 as well.
I do think they liked Maye and wanted him, but it wasn't to a level which they were going to get him. There was a deal to be closed and they didn't close it. I think the Jones contract impacted it and perhaps fear of where Carolina is.
Unlike Atlanta, Schoen was probably thinking, "we're stuck with Jones anyway, might as well build the roster."
The one thing that I take note of is the comments Schneider made about Lock wanting to compete for a job. He has no reason to lie.
Lock coming here thinking he can be Baker Mayfield and get that contract. Talk about QB hell.
If that is the reality this team doesn’t have the right people in charge
I get the sense the Pats were fine with Maye or JJM but liked Maye more and would only prefer JJ if they got a game changing haul.
My read of this is that once Kraft told Wolf that he wanted to just pick the player, there was not another offer Schoen could have presented that would have gotten a deal done. Therefore, I think the attacks on Schoen about not offering enough are unwarranted. As Eric has said many times leading up to this, you can't force the other side to trade with you. They need to want to make a trade and if they don't there is nothing you can do to make them trade with you.
In terms of the other QBs (McCarthy, Penix and Nix), the question for me and I think the only way you can take them in the first round is if you think in the current system that QB can be a Top 10 QB in the league. That includes not only the current crop, but also the guys drafted in front of them. Otherwise, you are at the same point we are at with Jones.
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My read of this is that once Kraft told Wolf that he wanted to just pick the player, there was not another offer Schoen could have presented that would have gotten a deal done. Therefore, I think the attacks on Schoen about not offering enough are unwarranted. As Eric has said many times leading up to this, you can't force the other side to trade with you. They need to want to make a trade and if they don't there is nothing you can do to make them trade with you.
In terms of the other QBs (McCarthy, Penix and Nix), the question for me and I think the only way you can take them in the first round is if you think in the current system that QB can be a Top 10 QB in the league. That includes not only the current crop, but also the guys drafted in front of them. Otherwise, you are at the same point we are at with Jones. Link - ( New Window )
This makes sense.