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| The Minnesota Vikings and New York Giants did make offers to the New England Patriots for the No. 3 pick to take Drake Maye. Earlier this week, Minnesota offered the Nos. 11 and 23 picks, and its 2025 first-rounder, with pick swaps favoring the Vikings as part of the proposal; and that offer ticked up with New England on the clock. The Giants, meanwhile, did wind up putting their 2025 first-round pick in their offer to move from No. 6 to No. 3. Ultimately, nothing came close to moving the Patriots off their choice. In fact, that Kevin O’Connell and Brian Daboll were the head coaches interested, only emboldened New England to stay put. The Giants, of course, got a weapon for Daniel Jones, selecting star receiver Malik Nabers. The Vikings, meanwhile, were emboldened to draw a line in the sand on trade terms, and work within their boundaries by the alternate plan to wait for J.J. McCarthy—knowing that the Atlanta Falcons had a visit with McCarthy canceled, the Giants were Maye-specific at the position, and the Arizona Cardinals, Los Angeles Chargers, Tennessee Titans, Chicago Bears and New York Jets wouldn’t take a quarterback—and use the trade-up assets to build around him. So they let the Michigan star come to them, flipping picks at ith the Jets just to be sure. |
As much as the Patriots GM might have wanted to move down and collect a kings ransom. That's where I can see Kraft as the owner, nix any deals last minute.
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As much as the Patriots GM might have wanted to move down and collect a kings ransom. That's where I can see Kraft as the owner, nix any deals last minute.
Good, I have a strong feeling they are going to regret it. If JJM is the better QB and they could have gotten him plus our likely top 10 2025 1st and pock 47 or more, Wolf will think about that for the rest of his life. I'm glad they didn't do the deal, fuck them 18-1 for life.
I think those questioning their decision are thinking how is it possible there was no interest in any of the 3 quarterbacks that were completely attainable, even after a maneuver down.
But but…why didn’t Schoen then offer all his draft choices this year and throw in all of next years to boot…..I bet Maye would be a Giant if that happened. So, if there is a will, there is a way.
/sarcasmoff
You think NYG didn't want Maye and that it was a smokescreen?
Why? To push down Nabers?
Because some people believe where there's a will, there's a way. Some would've traded 6 first rounders to get Maye. Some just wouldn't take no for an answer.
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the Giants are complacent with the QB position and don't want to improve the position. It takes two to tango and they clearly weren't high on JJM
I think those questioning their decision are thinking how is it possible there was no interest in any of the 3 quarterbacks that were completely attainable, even after a maneuver down.
You find it hard to believe that Nabers, a projected star, was ranked higher than JJM, Nix, or Penix? I love Nabers, but would have preferred they loved a JJM and believed he was a franchise QB, and took him, and he became one. But it's pretty obvious they didn't feel that way about him
forget missing JJM they would have been giving up the better prospect.
the Vikings didn't offer 3 firsts for Maye and then comfortably wait on JJM only giving up a 4th to move 1 spot because the difference between him and JJM is marginal.
The NYG weren't willing to give up a future first + #6 for 1 guy and then not even take the other guy #6 because there was a small difference.
I trust O'Connell and Daboll evaluating QBs more than anyone in NE.
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I think NYG tried hard to get MIN to trade up - that was their intent
Why? To push down Nabers?
If JJ was the Vikings target at 3, it would have pushed Maye to the Giants at 6.
Unless it wasn’t the Giants offer they didn’t like, it was they couldn’t get a deal done with the Cardinals to move back up to 4?
Unless it wasn’t the Giants offer they didn’t like, it was they couldn’t get a deal done with the Cardinals to move back up to 4?
I was told by someone that works in the front office of an NFL team and he said he heard they turned down 1st & 2nd in 2024 and 1st & 3rd in 2025.
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I think NYG tried hard to get MIN to trade up - that was their intent
Why? To push down Nabers?
or even Harrison.
I think NYG wanted to do everything they could to get 4 QBs taken before 6.
The scouting process spoke, and there were three blue chip QBs.
The scouting process also spoke, and there were three QBs right on the next level.
What we'll see next is if the Giants let great be the enemy of good.
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I think NYG tried hard to get MIN to trade up - that was their intent
Why? To push down Nabers?
or even Harrison.
I think NYG wanted to do everything they could to get 4 QBs taken before 6.
Smelling like the one they fell full bloom in love with was Nabers, particularly Daboll. Oh well, Sy what do you think of Jaxson Dart? I like him a lot.
Big Ricks nfc front office buddy said he heard they offered 6, 47, 2025 1st and 2nd. I think ultimately Kraft nixed it fearing getting no QB
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I think NYG tried hard to get MIN to trade up - that was their intent
Why? To push down Nabers?
or even Harrison.
I think NYG wanted to do everything they could to get 4 QBs taken before 6.
Smelling like the one they fell full bloom in love with was Nabers, particularly Daboll. Oh well, Sy what do you think of Jaxson Dart? I like him a lot.
Wanna hear something funny?
I woke up this morning and started my 2025 QB notes.
The scouting process spoke, and there were three blue chip QBs.
The scouting process also spoke, and there were three QBs right on the next level.
What we'll see next is if the Giants let great be the enemy of good.
yep. and what's more, this is admittedly small sample but in his 60 second reviews it sounded to me like belichek was more positive on jjm as anyone else.
i know we reflexively want to say everything is speculation but this is the first time in like 40 years BB isn't doing it for real. he's the greatest coach of the generation. his comments yesterday deserve probably orders of magnitude more weight/attention than anyone else on the other 100 microphones combined.
"tough, great leader, alpha type, teammates love him, makes a lot of good decisions, he'll work well with the vikings"
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But that's the same stuff people said to about Daniel Jones coming out of Duke.
I think they want to improve the position, I just don't believe they'll get the chance now. It's sink or swim with Jones
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the Giants are complacent with the QB position and don't want to improve the position. It takes two to tango and they clearly weren't high on JJM
I think they want to improve the position, I just don't believe they'll get the chance now. It's sink or swim with Jones
Now or ever?
Don't you think that they thought very highly of Drake Maye more than being desperate. If they were desperate for a QB to get rid of DJ they would have traded the 3rd 1st to get Maye or would have drafted JJM. So you can rest assured they aren't as desperate as fans are because they took BPA rather than reach for a QB they didn't think was that much better than DJ.
But that's the same stuff people said to about Daniel Jones coming out of Duke.
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"tough, great leader, alpha type, teammates love him, makes a lot of good decisions..."
were those people bill belichek?
you seem to have missed a pretty big part of my point.
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the fact that we were willing to give up two drafts basically for Drake Maye tells you what our brain trust thinks of him. So if this report is true, I applaud our front office for putting an amazing offer out there. However, the fact that it didn’t work and we are stuck with a player that the team was so desperate to get rid of, does depress me and where we are going as a team.
Don't you think that they thought very highly of Drake Maye more than being desperate. If they were desperate for a QB to get rid of DJ they would have traded the 3rd 1st to get Maye or would have drafted JJM. So you can rest assured they aren't as desperate as fans are because they took BPA rather than reach for a QB they didn't think was that much better than DJ.
That is semantics. They think Drake Maye is such an upgrade that they were willing to give up two drafts for him. Whether they think JJM or Nix or Pennix is not an upgrade is really besides the point
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the Giants are complacent with the QB position and don't want to improve the position. It takes two to tango and they clearly weren't high on JJM
I think they want to improve the position, I just don't believe they'll get the chance now. It's sink or swim with Jones
Now or ever?
Ever. With DJ as qb1 I see a sub six win season and another full reset coming.
This is incorrect. They absolutely wanted Maye.
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the fact that we were willing to give up two drafts basically for Drake Maye tells you what our brain trust thinks of him. So if this report is true, I applaud our front office for putting an amazing offer out there. However, the fact that it didn’t work and we are stuck with a player that the team was so desperate to get rid of, does depress me and where we are going as a team.
Don't you think that they thought very highly of Drake Maye more than being desperate. If they were desperate for a QB to get rid of DJ they would have traded the 3rd 1st to get Maye or would have drafted JJM. So you can rest assured they aren't as desperate as fans are because they took BPA rather than reach for a QB they didn't think was that much better than DJ.
That is semantics. They think Drake Maye is such an upgrade that they were willing to give up two drafts for him. Whether they think JJM or Nix or Pennix is not an upgrade is really besides the point
Ummm what? If they thought Drake Maye was Josh Allen they were going to give up two drafts to get him. NE thought that wasn't enough to move down 3 spots because they liked Drake Maye that much. So if you just want to complain about DJ then do it, but your logic isn't very good.
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I think NYG tried hard to get MIN to trade up - that was their intent
This is incorrect. They absolutely wanted Maye.
Is the offer Rick heard of pick 6, 47, 2025 1st and 2nd right?
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the fact that we were willing to give up two drafts basically for Drake Maye tells you what our brain trust thinks of him. So if this report is true, I applaud our front office for putting an amazing offer out there. However, the fact that it didn’t work and we are stuck with a player that the team was so desperate to get rid of, does depress me and where we are going as a team.
Don't you think that they thought very highly of Drake Maye more than being desperate. If they were desperate for a QB to get rid of DJ they would have traded the 3rd 1st to get Maye or would have drafted JJM. So you can rest assured they aren't as desperate as fans are because they took BPA rather than reach for a QB they didn't think was that much better than DJ.
That is semantics. They think Drake Maye is such an upgrade that they were willing to give up two drafts for him. Whether they think JJM or Nix or Pennix is not an upgrade is really besides the point
Ummm what? If they thought Drake Maye was Josh Allen they were going to give up two drafts to get him. NE thought that wasn't enough to move down 3 spots because they liked Drake Maye that much. So if you just want to complain about DJ then do it, but your logic isn't very good.
My logic is that the Giants saw a championship QB upgrade and despite a really great offer couldn’t get it done. If they thought they had a a championship QB would they have made that offer. This is not hard logic. Your logic is because they didn’t think JJM was an upgrade, I should be happy about that. That says nothing of Daniel Jones, it says something about JJM.
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I think NYG tried hard to get MIN to trade up - that was their intent
Why? To push down Nabers?
or even Harrison.
I think NYG wanted to do everything they could to get 4 QBs taken before 6.
Fantastic
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In comment 16492459 Sy'56 said:
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I think NYG tried hard to get MIN to trade up - that was their intent
Why? To push down Nabers?
or even Harrison.
I think NYG wanted to do everything they could to get 4 QBs taken before 6.
Fantastic
Look at what Woodstock said. He said they absolutely wanted Maye and in another thread he said they definitely want to rid themselves of DJ.
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I think NYG tried hard to get MIN to trade up - that was their intent
This is incorrect. They absolutely wanted Maye.
Don't think so
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the fact that we were willing to give up two drafts basically for Drake Maye tells you what our brain trust thinks of him. So if this report is true, I applaud our front office for putting an amazing offer out there. However, the fact that it didn’t work and we are stuck with a player that the team was so desperate to get rid of, does depress me and where we are going as a team.
Don't you think that they thought very highly of Drake Maye more than being desperate. If they were desperate for a QB to get rid of DJ they would have traded the 3rd 1st to get Maye or would have drafted JJM. So you can rest assured they aren't as desperate as fans are because they took BPA rather than reach for a QB they didn't think was that much better than DJ.
That is semantics. They think Drake Maye is such an upgrade that they were willing to give up two drafts for him. Whether they think JJM or Nix or Pennix is not an upgrade is really besides the point
Ummm what? If they thought Drake Maye was Josh Allen they were going to give up two drafts to get him. NE thought that wasn't enough to move down 3 spots because they liked Drake Maye that much. So if you just want to complain about DJ then do it, but your logic isn't very good.
My logic is that the Giants saw a championship QB upgrade and despite a really great offer couldn’t get it done. If they thought they had a a championship QB would they have made that offer. This is not hard logic. Your logic is because they didn’t think JJM was an upgrade, I should be happy about that. That says nothing of Daniel Jones, it says something about JJM.
I got it... you are sad because you just found out DJ isn't a championship QB.
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I think NYG tried hard to get MIN to trade up - that was their intent
This is incorrect. They absolutely wanted Maye.
Don't think so
Sorry brother but I know so from a Giants scout. Not a shot at u but it's a fact
But we'll never know.
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the fact that we were willing to give up two drafts basically for Drake Maye tells you what our brain trust thinks of him. So if this report is true, I applaud our front office for putting an amazing offer out there. However, the fact that it didn’t work and we are stuck with a player that the team was so desperate to get rid of, does depress me and where we are going as a team.
Don't you think that they thought very highly of Drake Maye more than being desperate. If they were desperate for a QB to get rid of DJ they would have traded the 3rd 1st to get Maye or would have drafted JJM. So you can rest assured they aren't as desperate as fans are because they took BPA rather than reach for a QB they didn't think was that much better than DJ.
That is semantics. They think Drake Maye is such an upgrade that they were willing to give up two drafts for him. Whether they think JJM or Nix or Pennix is not an upgrade is really besides the point
Ummm what? If they thought Drake Maye was Josh Allen they were going to give up two drafts to get him. NE thought that wasn't enough to move down 3 spots because they liked Drake Maye that much. So if you just want to complain about DJ then do it, but your logic isn't very good.
My logic is that the Giants saw a championship QB upgrade and despite a really great offer couldn’t get it done. If they thought they had a a championship QB would they have made that offer. This is not hard logic. Your logic is because they didn’t think JJM was an upgrade, I should be happy about that. That says nothing of Daniel Jones, it says something about JJM.
I got it... you are sad because you just found out DJ isn't a championship QB.
I dunno, isn’t that kind of the goal?
I got it... you are sad because you just found out DJ isn't a championship QB.
I dunno, isn’t that kind of the goal?
Yes, but you can't force a team to trade... This isn't Madden and if you don't think the other QBs were that guy you have to take BPA on a team that is full of holes.
But we'll never know.
Did you see Woodstock said they definitely wanted Maye and in another thread he said they definitely want to get rid if DJ?
He was right about us definitely not wanting JJM, so I'd say he gets a badge for that or something haha.
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I think NYG tried hard to get MIN to trade up - that was their intent
This is incorrect. They absolutely wanted Maye.
Don't think so
Sorry brother but I know so from a Giants scout. Not a shot at u but it's a fact
Time will tell but I'm much happier with Nabers and 47, 2025 1st and 2nd than Maye. I still think Maye will be average or worse.
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the Giants never had any intention of taking a QB this year. It was all a ruse.
But we'll never know.
Did you see Woodstock said they definitely wanted Maye and in another thread he said they definitely want to get rid if DJ?
He was right about us definitely not wanting JJM, so I'd say he gets a badge for that or something haha.
If the Giants know how the leaks are getting out, they would feed misinformation.
I'm not saying Sy is right, but I would not discount it at all.