10. ANDRU PHILLIPS, Kentucky (5-10 ½, 192, 4.48, 3): Fourth-year junior with a 42-inch vertical jump and an 11-3 broad jump. “He’s excellent,” one scout said. “His movement skills, his toughness, his awareness and production … to me, this guy’s a slam-dunk starter. He can play inside and outside – probably better in the slot. He’s so fluid. You’d be good with him as your No. 2 corner moving forward.” Started 16 of 38 games over four seasons. “He has a compact build,” a second scout said. “More of a nickel. Not the greatest speed. Quicker than he is fast. Kind of a mid-range cover guy than deep.” Finished with 82 tackles (three for loss), no picks and 10 passes defensed. “He’s a little bit under the radar but a pretty good player,” a third scout said. From Mauldin, S.C.
he is more athletic but had a similar career. at one point i think mike g said there was some buzz he'd go 2nd round or even late first. that 42 inch vert matches nabers and his broad was actually better.
this is a solid pick - generally considered a better prospect than flott was in round 3 a few years ago.
not very good last year. I don't like this pick at all. So many better CBs on the board. He gave up over 100 passer rating with 3TDs against and no pickss... like every no picks
David Syvertsen
@Ourlads_Sy
70) NYG: Andru Phillips - CB/Kentucky
They missed out on the corners in round 2 and were smart not to reach (end up with the top S). Sitting patient and getting a really good nickel that excels at playing sticky to his man. Another scheme-based fit and this secondary has multiple young/exciting pieces now.
One-year starter. Also part of the heavy rotation in the Kentucky defensive backfield in 2022 which hosted two eventual pro outside corners. Phillips moved from the slot to outside, although he played all over the defensive backfield all three years, in 2023. Former high school track standout that starred in triple jumps where he finished number one in the nation. That burst stands out on film. Although slightly undersized, Phillips already has a lot of pro traits in his arsenal. He is smooth as butter in his backpedal and his ability to stick is foot in the ground and explode downhill created a lot of impressive tape. The inside-out versatility in addition to impressive tape in both zone and man coverage will make him attractive to any team looking to upgrade the cornerback room. There are off-field concerns from an arrest in 2021 that need to be answered. He also failed to grab a single interception over his career. Phillips does not react as quickly in man coverage and there are too many missed tackles. The good and bad with him creates a wide margin within his projection, but this guy has starting corner written all over him.
*Phillips is a guy that picked up a lot of steam over the season. His movement traits and fluidity are so pro-caliber. When he makes plays on the ball, there are a few elite, hard to find components that immediately jump off the screen. That is how I first found him. I was watching Florida offense tape and this kid kept jumping off the screen. The physical limitations did impede some of his playmaking potential. He may have to be a slot only but man I love how he turns and runs. The character concerns need to be a part of his process, no question.
He is a feisty corner!
Dane Brugler's favorite player in this draft.
Daniel Jeremiahs 51st player.
His comp is Roger Mccreary, who the Giants wanted 2yrs ago and the Titans took and DC was Shane Bowen, now our DC.
David Syvertsen
@Ourlads_Sy
70) NYG: Andru Phillips - CB/Kentucky
They missed out on the corners in round 2 and were smart not to reach (end up with the top S). Sitting patient and getting a really good nickel that excels at playing sticky to his man. Another scheme-based fit and this secondary has multiple young/exciting pieces now.
Yeah man. Build a tough defense. Not sure where I'd go in the 4th - RB, DT, TE
Schoen has a tendency to check needs at non-premium positions on Day 2. Grabbed the likely starting nickel here after grabbing a starter at safety last round. JMS last year and slot WR his first draft.
replace Flott in th slot. He's a complete liability in run support, and you just can't have that with your slot corner. This guy has the build to support the run and it certainly seems like he is unfraid to stick his nose in things. Huge upgrade if he replaces Flott
Size screams nickel but I’m reports that say he can play some outside too. Nickel is really a starting position in today’s NFL anyway.
I feel like we are always looking for someone who can play inside. Hopefully this is the guy. At 5’10” he may be too small to play outside consistently.
Schoen has a tendency to check needs at non-premium positions on Day 2. Grabbed the likely starting nickel here after grabbing a starter at safety last round. JMS last year and slot WR his first draft.
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
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Joe Schoen said Andru Phillips is "sticky." He has versatility to play inside and outside, but he'll likely begin in the slot.
Schoen has a tendency to check needs at non-premium positions on Day 2. Grabbed the likely starting nickel here after grabbing a starter at safety last round. JMS last year and slot WR his first draft.
CB is a premium position
He’s probably an inside corner although some think he can play outside.
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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Andru Philips will have inside/outside flex and will begin his career in slot. Sounds like Cor'Dale Flott may get first shot at boundary, from talking to Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll. #NYGIants
Too early for the Darnay Holmes Appreciation Thread?
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
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Schoen said the Giants have a young corps on defense that can now grow together. "I do think we have pieces in place."
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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Andru Philips will have inside/outside flex and will begin his career in slot. Sounds like Cor'Dale Flott may get first shot at boundary, from talking to Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll. #NYGIants
Flott can cover, but I hope he improves his tackling
Clearly the new staff prioritizes physicality in secondary
In the case of Nubin, I think he plays with incredible toughness yet intelligence and technique. Phillips to me is physical but grabby and looks for contact rather than taking the best angle.
LOVE Nubin, not a fan at all of Phillips. Which probably means Nubin will bust and Phillips will be a star. It's all a crapshoot. To hell with my evaluations lets hope they're both studs.
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
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Had several scouts tell me Andru Phillips was one of the best interviews they conducted pre-draft. Very heady player.
Bruce Feldman
@BruceFeldmanCFB
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Giants grab Kentucky DB Andru Phillips. The coaches/scouts I spoke to were big fans of his. Really smart. Can play nickel. "I’ve got love for him. I think he’s got some of the best change of direction in the draft."
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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Andru Philips will have inside/outside flex and will begin his career in slot. Sounds like Cor'Dale Flott may get first shot at boundary, from talking to Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll. #NYGIants
Flott can cover, but I hope he improves his tackling
Wuth Flott's size he's jjust never going to tackle well or support the run well
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
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Had several scouts tell me Andru Phillips was one of the best interviews they conducted pre-draft. Very heady player.
Bruce Feldman
@BruceFeldmanCFB
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Giants grab Kentucky DB Andru Phillips. The coaches/scouts I spoke to were big fans of his. Really smart. Can play nickel. "I’ve got love for him. I think he’s got some of the best change of direction in the draft."
I mean he is loved by a lot of people that review this stuff, but man... He is sticky, but can't get hands on the ball at all?
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
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Had several scouts tell me Andru Phillips was one of the best interviews they conducted pre-draft. Very heady player.
Bruce Feldman
@BruceFeldmanCFB
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Giants grab Kentucky DB Andru Phillips. The coaches/scouts I spoke to were big fans of his. Really smart. Can play nickel. "I’ve got love for him. I think he’s got some of the best change of direction in the draft."
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
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Had several scouts tell me Andru Phillips was one of the best interviews they conducted pre-draft. Very heady player.
Bruce Feldman
@BruceFeldmanCFB
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Giants grab Kentucky DB Andru Phillips. The coaches/scouts I spoke to were big fans of his. Really smart. Can play nickel. "I’ve got love for him. I think he’s got some of the best change of direction in the draft."
I mean he is loved by a lot of people that review this stuff, but man... He is sticky, but can't get hands on the ball at all?
i dont really care if corners get a ton of picks. what did banks have 1 last year and he was still really good? the way the game is now they are so disadvantaged by the rules they just need to stay attached.
RE: Wonder if this means they plan to play Flott outside.
we draft them every year. None are ever any good .
Think before you post
Tae Banks says hello
You should change your handle to Perpetually Miserable
Not talking about our first rd pick. We drafted 3 db last year two the year before and two the year before that. Why do we still need a db ?
Maybe you should think .
Because you look to upgrade all positions every year. Jackson left. McKinney left. Two starting players left, so they need replacements.
Not rocket science really. Perhaps Flott is not what they thought he'd be. Hawkins and Owens were later round pickups.
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
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Had several scouts tell me Andru Phillips was one of the best interviews they conducted pre-draft. Very heady player.
Bruce Feldman
@BruceFeldmanCFB
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Giants grab Kentucky DB Andru Phillips. The coaches/scouts I spoke to were big fans of his. Really smart. Can play nickel. "I’ve got love for him. I think he’s got some of the best change of direction in the draft."
I mean he is loved by a lot of people that review this stuff, but man... He is sticky, but can't get hands on the ball at all?
i dont really care if corners get a ton of picks. what did banks have 1 last year and he was still really good? the way the game is now they are so disadvantaged by the rules they just need to stay attached.
He gave up 38 catches on 57 attempts for 434 yards with 3 TDs and zero picks on 422 coverage snaps last year. That means they threw his way over 25% of the time and had success doing it. Sorry I hope I am wrong.
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
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The Giants are viewing Andru Phillips as a slot CB first, but they will also have him play outside as well. GM Joe Schoen said they also view Cordell Flott as a CB that will play inside and out.
Versatility is something Schoen said is more of a focus under new DC Shane Bowen.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Phillips has versatility, but Schoen said he'll likely start out working the slot. Would make sense to put him there and flip Flott outside since Bowen's defense puts an emphasis on run D from the slot.
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
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The Giants are viewing Andru Phillips as a slot CB first, but they will also have him play outside as well. GM Joe Schoen said they also view Cordell Flott as a CB that will play inside and out.
Versatility is something Schoen said is more of a focus under new DC Shane Bowen.
That is interesting because he can tackle. That makes more sense.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Phillips has versatility, but Schoen said he'll likely start out working the slot. Would make sense to put him there and flip Flott outside since Bowen's defense puts an emphasis on run D from the slot.
meant this for this quote... That is interesting because he can tackle. That makes more sense.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Phillips has versatility, but Schoen said he'll likely start out working the slot. Would make sense to put him there and flip Flott outside since Bowen's defense puts an emphasis on run D from the slot.
Flott has flashed but needs consistency. Hopefully a third year is the charm.
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
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Had several scouts tell me Andru Phillips was one of the best interviews they conducted pre-draft. Very heady player.
Bruce Feldman
@BruceFeldmanCFB
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Giants grab Kentucky DB Andru Phillips. The coaches/scouts I spoke to were big fans of his. Really smart. Can play nickel. "I’ve got love for him. I think he’s got some of the best change of direction in the draft."
I mean he is loved by a lot of people that review this stuff, but man... He is sticky, but can't get hands on the ball at all?
i dont really care if corners get a ton of picks. what did banks have 1 last year and he was still really good? the way the game is now they are so disadvantaged by the rules they just need to stay attached.
He gave up 38 catches on 57 attempts for 434 yards with 3 TDs and zero picks on 422 coverage snaps last year. That means they threw his way over 25% of the time and had success doing it. Sorry I hope I am wrong.
He gave up 38 catches on 57 attempts for 434 yards with 3 TDs and zero picks on 422 coverage snaps last year. That means they threw his way over 25% of the time and had success doing it. Sorry I hope I am wrong.
57 out of 422 is about 13 percent.
Oh crap... Did my math wrong... That is much better then. Still don't like him hahaha
Schoen has a tendency to check needs at non-premium positions on Day 2. Grabbed the likely starting nickel here after grabbing a starter at safety last round. JMS last year and slot WR his first draft.
CB is a premium position
He’s probably an inside corner although some think he can play outside.
I’m more than ok if he’s inside only, that’s a tough position to play and hard to find good ones.
but how can you pass on Cooper Beebe. Guess they figure their offseason patchwork of the OL will make it ok. And to make things worse Beebe goes to F'in Dallas!
Schoen has a tendency to check needs at non-premium positions on Day 2. Grabbed the likely starting nickel here after grabbing a starter at safety last round. JMS last year and slot WR his first draft.
CB is a premium position
He’s probably an inside corner although some think he can play outside.
I’m more than ok if he’s inside only, that’s a tough position to play and hard to find good ones.
I agree, think it’s undervalued actually. It’s tough to find guys with the change of direction and run D ability to fill the position. Hopefully they connect on him, would be fill a hole we’ve had on this defense forever.
Could cover, but the only way he'd ever come up with the ball is if it got stuck in his face mask after it sailed through his hands.
Phillips' highlights showed me a guy who can cover and is a sure tackler, but he seems to have no ball skills, other than knocking it away.
I assume there were guys on the board at other positions with similar grades, but the CB need was high.
FWIW, Justin Pinnick of Talking Giants said, "No interceptions in two years. High missed tackle rate. He allows a LOT of catches. If you're allowing a lot of catches in college, I'm worried that you're going to allow a lot of catches in the pros, as well."
Another depth guy (it seems). Everyone says he's a slot, so he's not CB2 across from Banks. I don't expect much here (no more than they've gotten from Flott), but I'll hope for the best.
STRENGTHS: Competes with a physical mindset and looks to reroute receivers early … fluent in multiple techniques (press, bail, side-turn, etc.), thanks to his footwork and acceleration control … will find himself in compromised positions because of his aggression, but he has the makeup speed to quickly recover … anticipates well from depth to drive and disrupt … plays through the hands of receivers downfield for late rakes … doesn’t have a large frame, but he’s no stranger to the weight room and plays with functional length and play strength … does a nice job punching off blocks and squaring ball carriers … experienced on kick and punt coverages (12 special-teams tackles in his college career) … experienced both inside and outside (played every snap as the nickel in 2023 against Tennessee).
WEAKNESSES: Will lose the size battle against most NFL wide receivers … didn’t record an interception in college … didn’t play with a large catch radius on tape, and well-placed throws were often completed … allows a half-step of separation at the break point … his hands-on approach will attract attention from officials (two pass interference penalties in 2023 vs. Missouri) … displays tackling toughness but finish and technique fall short (15 missed tackles in 2023) … one of six Kentucky players charged with first-degree burglary (August 2021) in connection with an incident at a fraternity house party; a month later, a grand jury later cleared the players of charges; the players involved then filed a civil suit that was later dropped.
The number of corners Schoen is bringing in is starting to resemble a diner menu. However, I will say this: pass defense - outside of the times they play Dak- is one of the few areas that has been consistently ok in the Schoen/Daboll era (though who knows how much of that is due to Wink).
had to do a bit of a change in direction. I think the Giants were targeting the Corners that went in front of them in Rd 2 and then possibly going Safety afterwards.
But the board didn't fall that way so Schoen pivoted to Nubin who had to be higher on his short list then the next set of corners.
Really like Nubin...he's solid. Just okay with Phillips and really don't know if he can go outside much, if at all. But it's not like our Slot CB doesn't need a big upgrade either. Summer competition there will be interesting to follow.
our DBs coach, not Wink. Remember Fabian Moreau, off the scrap heap, out of nowhere and performed quite creditably in ‘22. Giants have gotten solid play from a not overly talented group
from what I have read, he had ZERO INTs in college and not a significant number of pass breakups. Very little impact it appears. Good athlete though. Not sure he will be any better than Holmes has been.
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Another depth guy (it seems). Everyone says he's a slot, so he's not CB2 across from Banks. I don't expect much here (no more than they've gotten from Flott), but I'll hope for the best.
On Flott, yes, I’m very mixed on him. On occasion he shows really good cover skills, which is likely why he was drafted where he was. But he is so long, his top end speed is good but he’s not quick in twitch or change of direction. He doesn’t hunger to be physical so his tackling is usually hit or miss.
CB opposite Banks not yet on roster, I hope.
People are making a big deal of lack of interceptions and that matters a bit. But even when a guy gets 5 picks in a season, it’s a 1 percent outcome. The other 99 percent of plays are also really important and this guy is good in those for sure.
we draft them every year. None are ever any good .
Yeah, Tae Banks sucks.
LOL
Flott showed some quality play last year too. He's got promise still I think. Look I get it, you wanted a QB. Most of us did, but most teams don't just get a QB and all the sudden compete. You want to be the Detroit Lions? We need a solid roster built as the foundation or a rookie qb contract will flounder.
10. ANDRU PHILLIPS, Kentucky (5-10 ½, 192, 4.48, 3): Fourth-year junior with a 42-inch vertical jump and an 11-3 broad jump. “He’s excellent,” one scout said. “His movement skills, his toughness, his awareness and production … to me, this guy’s a slam-dunk starter. He can play inside and outside – probably better in the slot. He’s so fluid. You’d be good with him as your No. 2 corner moving forward.” Started 16 of 38 games over four seasons. “He has a compact build,” a second scout said. “More of a nickel. Not the greatest speed. Quicker than he is fast. Kind of a mid-range cover guy than deep.” Finished with 82 tackles (three for loss), no picks and 10 passes defensed. “He’s a little bit under the radar but a pretty good player,” a third scout said. From Mauldin, S.C.
CB is a premium position and a need. Made too much sense
this is a solid pick - generally considered a better prospect than flott was in round 3 a few years ago.
Would love to add Estime or the Penn State TE tomorrow.
Time for bed.
We heard Daboll loved Nabers and now we have 2 picks for our dcoordinator.
Today was a good day.
@Ourlads_Sy
70) NYG: Andru Phillips - CB/Kentucky
They missed out on the corners in round 2 and were smart not to reach (end up with the top S). Sitting patient and getting a really good nickel that excels at playing sticky to his man. Another scheme-based fit and this secondary has multiple young/exciting pieces now.
Grade: 79
One-year starter. Also part of the heavy rotation in the Kentucky defensive backfield in 2022 which hosted two eventual pro outside corners. Phillips moved from the slot to outside, although he played all over the defensive backfield all three years, in 2023. Former high school track standout that starred in triple jumps where he finished number one in the nation. That burst stands out on film. Although slightly undersized, Phillips already has a lot of pro traits in his arsenal. He is smooth as butter in his backpedal and his ability to stick is foot in the ground and explode downhill created a lot of impressive tape. The inside-out versatility in addition to impressive tape in both zone and man coverage will make him attractive to any team looking to upgrade the cornerback room. There are off-field concerns from an arrest in 2021 that need to be answered. He also failed to grab a single interception over his career. Phillips does not react as quickly in man coverage and there are too many missed tackles. The good and bad with him creates a wide margin within his projection, but this guy has starting corner written all over him.
*Phillips is a guy that picked up a lot of steam over the season. His movement traits and fluidity are so pro-caliber. When he makes plays on the ball, there are a few elite, hard to find components that immediately jump off the screen. That is how I first found him. I was watching Florida offense tape and this kid kept jumping off the screen. The physical limitations did impede some of his playmaking potential. He may have to be a slot only but man I love how he turns and runs. The character concerns need to be a part of his process, no question.
Makes me think he got a bad start in his 40 and probably runs faster than the 4.48.
You don't often see that combo as both are explosion metrics related to the lower half.
He’s been projected to go in the 2nd round. That’s not “value”? Just say you’ve never heard of him instead of making inaccurate statements
The team hasn't had good 3rd round picks since they chose Tuck. Hopefully Phillips changes that.
Dane Brugler's favorite player in this draft.
Daniel Jeremiahs 51st player.
His comp is Roger Mccreary, who the Giants wanted 2yrs ago and the Titans took and DC was Shane Bowen, now our DC.
Makes me think he got a bad start in his 40 and probably runs faster than the 4.48.
You don't often see that combo as both are explosion metrics related to the lower half.
I was just about to reply to Eric in Li to say that his 10y split was 1.51 not 1.6, per nfl.com.
Well stocked at nickel, but who starts outside, opposite Banks? Hawkins? Or McCloud?
@Ourlads_Sy
70) NYG: Andru Phillips - CB/Kentucky
They missed out on the corners in round 2 and were smart not to reach (end up with the top S). Sitting patient and getting a really good nickel that excels at playing sticky to his man. Another scheme-based fit and this secondary has multiple young/exciting pieces now.
Yeah man. Build a tough defense. Not sure where I'd go in the 4th - RB, DT, TE
Yeah, Tae Banks sucks.
LOL
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To see a bottom tier 10-yard split with top tier vert and broad.
Makes me think he got a bad start in his 40 and probably runs faster than the 4.48.
You don't often see that combo as both are explosion metrics related to the lower half.
I was just about to reply to Eric in Li to say that his 10y split was 1.51 not 1.6, per nfl.com.
That makes a lot more sense, and 1.51 is obviously a really good number.
It’s impossible to fill every hole in 3 picks
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Taking a guard in the 3rd round….we don’t have the best history with those.
The team hasn't had good 3rd round picks since they chose Tuck. Hopefully Phillips changes that.
Hopefully Hyatt changed that. I'm not giving up on last year yet.
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of young CB's with Banks, Hawkins III, Flott, McCloud, Phillips, and possibly Aaron Robinson if he can make a full reovery.
Well stocked at nickel, but who starts outside, opposite Banks? Hawkins? Or McCloud?
Whoever wins the job.
Think before you post
Tae Banks says hello
You should change your handle to Perpetually Miserable
While the offense continues to average less than 15 PPG...
Yes, they will need to rely on the defense. Again.
They need more playmakers.
I feel like we are always looking for someone who can play inside. Hopefully this is the guy. At 5’10” he may be too small to play outside consistently.
Sy mentioned an arrest in 2021
CB is a premium position
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To see a bottom tier 10-yard split with top tier vert and broad.
Makes me think he got a bad start in his 40 and probably runs faster than the 4.48.
You don't often see that combo as both are explosion metrics related to the lower half.
I was just about to reply to Eric in Li to say that his 10y split was 1.51 not 1.6, per nfl.com.
i dont put the times in the RAS database i just post the cards lol.
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That need to be checked on include???
Sy mentioned an arrest in 2021
Arrested for burglary, but cleared by a grand jury, and suing the police.
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Do you think he can play outside?
@Dan_Salomone
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Joe Schoen said Andru Phillips is "sticky." He has versatility to play inside and outside, but he'll likely begin in the slot.
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Schoen has a tendency to check needs at non-premium positions on Day 2. Grabbed the likely starting nickel here after grabbing a starter at safety last round. JMS last year and slot WR his first draft.
CB is a premium position
He’s probably an inside corner although some think he can play outside.
@art_stapleton
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Andru Philips will have inside/outside flex and will begin his career in slot. Sounds like Cor'Dale Flott may get first shot at boundary, from talking to Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll. #NYGIants
@wanda1erobinson
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gone be jus like old times😂😂
@AndruPhillips
@Dan_Salomone
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Schoen said the Giants have a young corps on defense that can now grow together. "I do think we have pieces in place."
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He can be really good but when things aren’t going right he can unravel. But I think this confirms Melton was their top option at 47.
Do you think he can play outside?
I don’t because of the size
@art_stapleton
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Andru Philips will have inside/outside flex and will begin his career in slot. Sounds like Cor'Dale Flott may get first shot at boundary, from talking to Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll. #NYGIants
Flott can cover, but I hope he improves his tackling
LOVE Nubin, not a fan at all of Phillips. Which probably means Nubin will bust and Phillips will be a star. It's all a crapshoot. To hell with my evaluations lets hope they're both studs.
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They'll need to heavily lean on the defense this year.
While the offense continues to average less than 15 PPG...
Yes, they will need to rely on the defense. Again.
They need more playmakers.
Guess you missed pick 6
Should they ignore other needs on the roster ?
Some of you people must be a real blast at parties
@JFowlerESPN
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Had several scouts tell me Andru Phillips was one of the best interviews they conducted pre-draft. Very heady player.
Bruce Feldman
@BruceFeldmanCFB
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Giants grab Kentucky DB Andru Phillips. The coaches/scouts I spoke to were big fans of his. Really smart. Can play nickel. "I’ve got love for him. I think he’s got some of the best change of direction in the draft."
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Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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Andru Philips will have inside/outside flex and will begin his career in slot. Sounds like Cor'Dale Flott may get first shot at boundary, from talking to Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll. #NYGIants
Flott can cover, but I hope he improves his tackling
Wuth Flott's size he's jjust never going to tackle well or support the run well
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we draft them every year. None are ever any good .
Think before you post
Tae Banks says hello
You should change your handle to Perpetually Miserable
Not talking about our first rd pick. We drafted 3 db last year two the year before and two the year before that. Why do we still need a db ?
Maybe you should think .
@JFowlerESPN
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Had several scouts tell me Andru Phillips was one of the best interviews they conducted pre-draft. Very heady player.
Bruce Feldman
@BruceFeldmanCFB
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Giants grab Kentucky DB Andru Phillips. The coaches/scouts I spoke to were big fans of his. Really smart. Can play nickel. "I’ve got love for him. I think he’s got some of the best change of direction in the draft."
I mean he is loved by a lot of people that review this stuff, but man... He is sticky, but can't get hands on the ball at all?
@JFowlerESPN
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Had several scouts tell me Andru Phillips was one of the best interviews they conducted pre-draft. Very heady player.
Bruce Feldman
@BruceFeldmanCFB
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Giants grab Kentucky DB Andru Phillips. The coaches/scouts I spoke to were big fans of his. Really smart. Can play nickel. "I’ve got love for him. I think he’s got some of the best change of direction in the draft."
That's gold Jerry. Gold!"
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Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
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Had several scouts tell me Andru Phillips was one of the best interviews they conducted pre-draft. Very heady player.
Bruce Feldman
@BruceFeldmanCFB
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Giants grab Kentucky DB Andru Phillips. The coaches/scouts I spoke to were big fans of his. Really smart. Can play nickel. "I’ve got love for him. I think he’s got some of the best change of direction in the draft."
I mean he is loved by a lot of people that review this stuff, but man... He is sticky, but can't get hands on the ball at all?
i dont really care if corners get a ton of picks. what did banks have 1 last year and he was still really good? the way the game is now they are so disadvantaged by the rules they just need to stay attached.
I wonder that as well.
Good to hear all the positive comments from prognosticators about Phillips.
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In comment 16493867 averagejoe said:
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we draft them every year. None are ever any good .
Think before you post
Tae Banks says hello
You should change your handle to Perpetually Miserable
Not talking about our first rd pick. We drafted 3 db last year two the year before and two the year before that. Why do we still need a db ?
Maybe you should think .
Because you look to upgrade all positions every year. Jackson left. McKinney left. Two starting players left, so they need replacements.
Not rocket science really. Perhaps Flott is not what they thought he'd be. Hawkins and Owens were later round pickups.
Charged with first-degree burglary (August 2021) in connection with an incident at a fraternity house party. Grad Jury dismissed.
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In comment 16493950 Rave7 said:
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Jeremy Fowler
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Had several scouts tell me Andru Phillips was one of the best interviews they conducted pre-draft. Very heady player.
Bruce Feldman
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Giants grab Kentucky DB Andru Phillips. The coaches/scouts I spoke to were big fans of his. Really smart. Can play nickel. "I’ve got love for him. I think he’s got some of the best change of direction in the draft."
I mean he is loved by a lot of people that review this stuff, but man... He is sticky, but can't get hands on the ball at all?
i dont really care if corners get a ton of picks. what did banks have 1 last year and he was still really good? the way the game is now they are so disadvantaged by the rules they just need to stay attached.
He gave up 38 catches on 57 attempts for 434 yards with 3 TDs and zero picks on 422 coverage snaps last year. That means they threw his way over 25% of the time and had success doing it. Sorry I hope I am wrong.
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The Giants are viewing Andru Phillips as a slot CB first, but they will also have him play outside as well. GM Joe Schoen said they also view Cordell Flott as a CB that will play inside and out.
Versatility is something Schoen said is more of a focus under new DC Shane Bowen.
@DDuggan21
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Phillips has versatility, but Schoen said he'll likely start out working the slot. Would make sense to put him there and flip Flott outside since Bowen's defense puts an emphasis on run D from the slot.
@JordanRaanan
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The Giants are viewing Andru Phillips as a slot CB first, but they will also have him play outside as well. GM Joe Schoen said they also view Cordell Flott as a CB that will play inside and out.
Versatility is something Schoen said is more of a focus under new DC Shane Bowen.
That is interesting because he can tackle. That makes more sense.
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In comment 16493867 averagejoe said:
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we draft them every year. None are ever any good .
Think before you post
Tae Banks says hello
You should change your handle to Perpetually Miserable
Not talking about our first rd pick. We drafted 3 db last year two the year before and two the year before that. Why do we still need a db ?
Maybe you should think .
Because Hawkins is still developing and Jackson left
Has Belton not contributed ?
Has Flott not flashed?
But we needed a nickel and got one
But go on complaining about nonsense
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Phillips has versatility, but Schoen said he'll likely start out working the slot. Would make sense to put him there and flip Flott outside since Bowen's defense puts an emphasis on run D from the slot.
meant this for this quote... That is interesting because he can tackle. That makes more sense.
@DDuggan21
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Phillips has versatility, but Schoen said he'll likely start out working the slot. Would make sense to put him there and flip Flott outside since Bowen's defense puts an emphasis on run D from the slot.
Flott has flashed but needs consistency. Hopefully a third year is the charm.
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In comment 16493957 Amtoft said:
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In comment 16493950 Rave7 said:
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Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
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Had several scouts tell me Andru Phillips was one of the best interviews they conducted pre-draft. Very heady player.
Bruce Feldman
@BruceFeldmanCFB
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Giants grab Kentucky DB Andru Phillips. The coaches/scouts I spoke to were big fans of his. Really smart. Can play nickel. "I’ve got love for him. I think he’s got some of the best change of direction in the draft."
I mean he is loved by a lot of people that review this stuff, but man... He is sticky, but can't get hands on the ball at all?
i dont really care if corners get a ton of picks. what did banks have 1 last year and he was still really good? the way the game is now they are so disadvantaged by the rules they just need to stay attached.
He gave up 38 catches on 57 attempts for 434 yards with 3 TDs and zero picks on 422 coverage snaps last year. That means they threw his way over 25% of the time and had success doing it. Sorry I hope I am wrong.
57 out of 422 is about 13 percent.
He gave up 38 catches on 57 attempts for 434 yards with 3 TDs and zero picks on 422 coverage snaps last year. That means they threw his way over 25% of the time and had success doing it. Sorry I hope I am wrong.
57 out of 422 is about 13 percent.
Oh crap... Did my math wrong... That is much better then. Still don't like him hahaha
mccloud vs hawkins vs flott.
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In comment 16493904 AcesUp said:
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Schoen has a tendency to check needs at non-premium positions on Day 2. Grabbed the likely starting nickel here after grabbing a starter at safety last round. JMS last year and slot WR his first draft.
CB is a premium position
He’s probably an inside corner although some think he can play outside.
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In comment 16493865 allstarjim said:
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To see a bottom tier 10-yard split with top tier vert and broad.
Makes me think he got a bad start in his 40 and probably runs faster than the 4.48.
You don't often see that combo as both are explosion metrics related to the lower half.
I was just about to reply to Eric in Li to say that his 10y split was 1.51 not 1.6, per nfl.com.
i dont put the times in the RAS database i just post the cards lol.
Wasn't blaming you; presumed there was a glitch in your source. Always appreciate your athlete data posts.
Love that interviews seemed to be top-notch.
Let’s go!!!
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In comment 16493904 AcesUp said:
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Schoen has a tendency to check needs at non-premium positions on Day 2. Grabbed the likely starting nickel here after grabbing a starter at safety last round. JMS last year and slot WR his first draft.
CB is a premium position
He’s probably an inside corner although some think he can play outside.
I’m more than ok if he’s inside only, that’s a tough position to play and hard to find good ones.
I agree, think it’s undervalued actually. It’s tough to find guys with the change of direction and run D ability to fill the position. Hopefully they connect on him, would be fill a hole we’ve had on this defense forever.
Phillips' highlights showed me a guy who can cover and is a sure tackler, but he seems to have no ball skills, other than knocking it away.
I assume there were guys on the board at other positions with similar grades, but the CB need was high.
FWIW, Justin Pinnick of Talking Giants said, "No interceptions in two years. High missed tackle rate. He allows a LOT of catches. If you're allowing a lot of catches in college, I'm worried that you're going to allow a lot of catches in the pros, as well."
Another depth guy (it seems). Everyone says he's a slot, so he's not CB2 across from Banks. I don't expect much here (no more than they've gotten from Flott), but I'll hope for the best.
STRENGTHS: Competes with a physical mindset and looks to reroute receivers early … fluent in multiple techniques (press, bail, side-turn, etc.), thanks to his footwork and acceleration control … will find himself in compromised positions because of his aggression, but he has the makeup speed to quickly recover … anticipates well from depth to drive and disrupt … plays through the hands of receivers downfield for late rakes … doesn’t have a large frame, but he’s no stranger to the weight room and plays with functional length and play strength … does a nice job punching off blocks and squaring ball carriers … experienced on kick and punt coverages (12 special-teams tackles in his college career) … experienced both inside and outside (played every snap as the nickel in 2023 against Tennessee).
WEAKNESSES: Will lose the size battle against most NFL wide receivers … didn’t record an interception in college … didn’t play with a large catch radius on tape, and well-placed throws were often completed … allows a half-step of separation at the break point … his hands-on approach will attract attention from officials (two pass interference penalties in 2023 vs. Missouri) … displays tackling toughness but finish and technique fall short (15 missed tackles in 2023) … one of six Kentucky players charged with first-degree burglary (August 2021) in connection with an incident at a fraternity house party; a month later, a grand jury later cleared the players of charges; the players involved then filed a civil suit that was later dropped.
his highlight vids look like he’s on fast forward
But this guy looks to play with swagger and has a confidence to him. It reminds me of Banks honestly.
I think I'm seeing a trend - Schoen likes a bit of alpha dog in his corners
But the board didn't fall that way so Schoen pivoted to Nubin who had to be higher on his short list then the next set of corners.
Really like Nubin...he's solid. Just okay with Phillips and really don't know if he can go outside much, if at all. But it's not like our Slot CB doesn't need a big upgrade either. Summer competition there will be interesting to follow.
Another depth guy (it seems). Everyone says he's a slot, so he's not CB2 across from Banks. I don't expect much here (no more than they've gotten from Flott), but I'll hope for the best.
On Flott, yes, I’m very mixed on him. On occasion he shows really good cover skills, which is likely why he was drafted where he was. But he is so long, his top end speed is good but he’s not quick in twitch or change of direction. He doesn’t hunger to be physical so his tackling is usually hit or miss.
CB opposite Banks not yet on roster, I hope.
People are making a big deal of lack of interceptions and that matters a bit. But even when a guy gets 5 picks in a season, it’s a 1 percent outcome. The other 99 percent of plays are also really important and this guy is good in those for sure.
I know this is a highlight film but, his reckless abandon ... wow.
Link - ( New Window )
I know this is a highlight film but, his reckless abandon ... wow. Link - ( New Window )
He better get used to turning his around in the NFL.
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we draft them every year. None are ever any good .
Yeah, Tae Banks sucks.
LOL
Flott showed some quality play last year too. He's got promise still I think. Look I get it, you wanted a QB. Most of us did, but most teams don't just get a QB and all the sudden compete. You want to be the Detroit Lions? We need a solid roster built as the foundation or a rookie qb contract will flounder.