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Cosell on Nubin + Phillips

Eric on Li : 4/26/2024 10:37 pm
day 2 feels like a really solid double. see the bold, feels like they really added a lot of edge the last 2 days.

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The 33rd Team
@The33rdTeamFB
The Giants land a stud safety in Tyler Nubin 💥

His scouting report via
@gregcosell
📒

STRENGTHS:

- A long, rangy athlete with play speed to run sideline-to-sideline and make plays; a run-and-hit element to his game

- Decisive reactor with strong key and diagnose; transitioned effectively without segmented or rigid movement

- Ran the alley in the run game with conviction and sudden reactions; played with an NFL demeanor as a run defender

- Physical element to his game, consistently willing to attack with velocity, deliver hard hits and set tempo

- Not afraid to mix it up, a bit of a heat-seeker mentality vs. the run; he sees it and goes with speed and velocity

- Excellent feel for reading routes and the quarterback from a back-end safety alignment, also showed decisive plant and drive

- Showed excellent recognition and instincts in the pass game as back-end safety with a strong feel for route concepts

- Athletically transitioned to undercut routes and make interceptions, changed direction with no wasted steps

- Strong zone coverage defender in split safety coverage and as the post safety

- Excellent ball skills as a back-end safety; showed excellent technique getting his hand up and through the receiver

- Comfortable pedal in off-man coverage vs. tight ends with a smooth transition to turn and run vs. vertical routes

- Quick recognition reaction on reads in front of him and triggered downhill with sudden plant and drive

- Outstanding playing personality: his competitive edge and attitude consistently showed up

WEAKNESSES:

- Despite aggressiveness his tackling technique needs work, too often he dropped his head without seeing the ball

- At times as a back-end safety, he was a little sticky and segmented in his transition to plant and drive on routes

- Speed may be an issue for some but the tape showed that his recognition and instincts compensated

- There were snaps, especially in the red zone, where he struggled in man-to-man coverage matchups with a wide receiver

- Overall did not match up man-to-man effectively vs. wide receivers when the coverage called for it

- Did not see him match up man-to-man on tight ends in Minnesota’s defense; his size and traits suggest he can do it

BOTTOM LINE:

"Overall, Nubin is a higher-level safety prospect who has the traits and playing demeanor to be an interchangeable safety in the box and on the back and be effective in both roles. It would not surprise me if he was a Day 1 starter and became one of the NFL's more complete safeties as his career develops."



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The 33rd Team
@The33rdTeamFB
The Giants massively improve their secondary with Andru Phillips 🗽

His scouting report from
@gregcosell


STRENGTHS:

- Smooth corner with quick feet and fluid transition and change of direction traits. Can flip and open his hips.

- Quick, sudden feet in mirror match press man. Easily flipped his hips to open stride to run with vertical routes.

- Strong man coverage snaps from the slot with the short-area burst to match and the speed to run with crossers.

- Top-end speed to run with vertical routes. Opened his hips and stayed in phase in a good position to make a play.

- Good job on vertical routes, getting his head turned to locate the ball. Did not make picks but solid ball production.

- Quick feet to stop and plant to drive on routes in front of him and transition laterally with burst on in-breakers.

- Extensive experience in off coverage, showing the quick, sudden feet to stop, transition and drive on throws.

- Competitive, aggressive and intense as a tackler. Willing to hit. Embraced the physical nature of the game.

- Outstanding playing personality. Highly competitive and physically and mentally tough. High-intensity player.

WEAKNESSES:

- Size and lack of length can, at times, be an issue on vertical routes, negatively impacting ability to play the ball.

- Turned his body in side saddle technique from off coverage, making him susceptible to routes crossing his face.

- Too many intermediate and vertical routes in man, he lost contact with the ball in the air, allowing late separation.

BOTTOM LINE:

"Overall, Phillips does bring outside-inside versatility as you transition him to the NFL and while he is not necessarily too small to play effectively on the outside, my strong sense is that most teams will project him as a slot corner. Is there a comparison to be made to Roger McCreary when he came out of Auburn? McCreary has played outside and the slot with the Titans but is better suited to play inside, where he has a chance to become a good player."
It's clear the type of personality Schoen & Daboll like  
Sean : 4/26/2024 10:55 pm : link
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Roger McCreary  
Rico : 4/26/2024 11:58 pm : link
It's really interesting that they compare Phillips to the CB we were about to take in the 2nd two years ago!
RE: Roger McCreary  
Mike in NY : 4/27/2024 12:03 am : link
In comment 16494247 Rico said:
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It's really interesting that they compare Phillips to the CB we were about to take in the 2nd two years ago!


And someone Bowen probably stumped for in Tennessee. It is clear that Schoen is a firm believer in getting guys that fit the system.
i wasnt really a big mcreary fan where they wanted him in '22  
Eric on Li : 4/27/2024 12:30 am : link
just didnt seem explosive enough for a top 40 pick. forgetting the off the field i was having baker flashbacks. pff had mccreary graded better last year shifting into slot more often (went from 7 tds allowed to 0). feel a lot better about a corner with a 42 inch vert and 31 inch arms at #70.

I love the pick and the kid  
gersh : 4/27/2024 8:00 am : link
But wondering if his man coverage skills are as weak/unknown as stated above?
I’m guessing and hoping not.
Nothing wrong with doubles  
logman : 4/27/2024 8:04 am : link
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RE: I love the pick and the kid  
gersh : 4/27/2024 8:12 am : link
In comment 16494362 gersh said:
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But wondering if his man coverage skills are as weak/unknown as stated above?
I’m guessing and hoping not.

Talking about Nubin
RE: RE: I love the pick and the kid  
Eric on Li : 4/27/2024 10:57 am : link
In comment 16494373 gersh said:
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In comment 16494362 gersh said:


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But wondering if his man coverage skills are as weak/unknown as stated above?
I’m guessing and hoping not.


Talking about Nubin


I'm not sure how much man the safeties play in bowen's defense. Schoen made a comment in the presser that they are likely going to be playing less man than last year since Wink played it so much, Bowens defense is more 2 safeties splitting the field. He moves them around a lot too, but im not sure they will need to do a ton of 1 on 1 man coverage.

with simmons they have a guy with the speed/length to disrupt bigger tight ends and mills/pinnock/mccould/belton are all more experienced safeties who have also played slot.

so i think nubin is going to be playing a lot of centerfield.
RE: RE: RE: I love the pick and the kid  
gersh : 4/27/2024 11:17 am : link
In comment 16494651 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16494373 gersh said:


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In comment 16494362 gersh said:


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But wondering if his man coverage skills are as weak/unknown as stated above?
I’m guessing and hoping not.


Talking about Nubin



I'm not sure how much man the safeties play in bowen's defense. Schoen made a comment in the presser that they are likely going to be playing less man than last year since Wink played it so much, Bowens defense is more 2 safeties splitting the field. He moves them around a lot too, but im not sure they will need to do a ton of 1 on 1 man coverage.

with simmons they have a guy with the speed/length to disrupt bigger tight ends and mills/pinnock/mccould/belton are all more experienced safeties who have also played slot.

so i think nubin is going to be playing a lot of centerfield.

That definitely makes sense
He certainly has the skill set to be a playmaker when put in the right position
At least we know there’s a plan
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