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Schoen's Draft Grade thus far

AROCK1000 : 4/27/2024 11:37 am
I know the draft is not over yet,but lets face it rounds 4-7 are really a complete shot in the dark.
Chances are he will address RB,TE,DL today,but my feeling thus far is he has really gotten his legs under him as a drafter.
He has allowed the draft to come to him for the first time,and taken BPA in positions of need.
It seemed like the 22,23 drafts he was chasing ghosts and constantly behind the 8-Ball.
He didn't chase QB,in round 1 and went with perhaps the best WR in the draft.
Round 2 saw a major run on DT and CB,so rather than trading up,he went with the best S in the draft.Consider X replaced.
In round 3 I would have gone with Bebe,but I am pleased with a slot CB,who may wind up as CB2 on the other side of Banks.
Rememeber Schoen spent quite a bit of capital on IOL this off season.
Thoughts???
AROCK1000  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 11:41 am : link
Don't agree.

We were all thrilled with his first two drafts, with one exception. Everyone was bitching about the Wan'Dale Robinson pick.

Everyone said A+ about Kavyon Thibodeaux and Evan Neal at the time.

Everyone couldn't believe we got Schmitz and Hyatt last year.

BTW  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 11:43 am : link
it wasn't just BBI, the "pundits" or "experts" were handing out A's for the Giants.

The one noticeable difference between this regime and the previous ones is that Schoen and Daboll have done better in rounds 4-7.
And remember.....not every player flashes in their first or even  
GiantBlue : 4/27/2024 11:45 am : link
second year in the NFL. It is a big jump.

We can't assess if the players who haven't performed yet (Neal, Hawkins, etc.) are busts. Back in the day, draftees sometimes didn't see the field for 2-3 years!

So before we can pass judgment on Year 1 and 2 and even 3....we need to see if there is development.

I hope this new OL coach elevates Neal into a true bookend for Andrew Thomas. That is my sincerest wish!
Totally disagree about past grades  
5BowlsSoon : 4/27/2024 11:48 am : link
Did you not read any of the rave reviews many fish wrappers were giving us last year and the year before?

But I do agree, he seems to be picking very smartly this year. Taking the #1 rated safety at 2 and then a CB at 3 was bold.
I like what NYG is doing  
Rjanyg : 4/27/2024 11:50 am : link
The positions and players make sense. They brought all of them in for visits, got to know them and seemed to have a conviction on the selections.

I like how Schoen and Daboll operate.
RE: AROCK1000  
MadPlaid : 4/27/2024 11:50 am : link
In comment 16494734 Eric from BBI said:
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Don't agree.

We were all thrilled with his first two drafts, with one exception. Everyone was bitching about the Wan'Dale Robinson pick.

Everyone said A+ about Kavyon Thibodeaux and Evan Neal at the time.

Everyone couldn't believe we got Schmitz and Hyatt last year.

100% correct. After the last 2 drafts, the resounding reaction was Schoen did a great job. It wasn’t until the players started playing that opinions started changing. I think this draft is exactly the same. We’re all very optimistic and excited. Also, there is still time for the players from the earlier drafts to turn it around and succeed. Not much, but it’s still possible.
We won’t have an idea about how Schoen did  
Mike from Ohio : 4/27/2024 11:56 am : link
For another 2-3 years. Picking a guy who represents good value and a good fit scheme gets you an A the day after the draft. However, if that guy can’t put it all together and contribute on the field, it becomes a miss.

Nothing wrong with rating a draft the day after. Just realize that grade is very changeable based on actual results.
Last year, he supposedly got 3 1st Rders  
George from PA : 4/27/2024 12:08 pm : link
.
We need this coaching staff  
Dave on the UWS : 4/27/2024 12:10 pm : link
to develop these players. A lot of young talent has been brought in. Get them to perform. This team will improve in a hurry.
Eric-I am a huge fan of Schoen & Daboll  
AROCK1000 : 4/27/2024 12:12 pm : link
Please dont misconstrue my point.
I think they have the ship turned in the right direction.
I also think they have full support of John Mara....
But they are both first timers at their respective positions,and have suffered a bit of growing pains...
Thibs and Neal were the correct moves but the rest of that draft was a blurr of chasing...
JMS and Hyatt were solid picks that I loved at the time....
But we need to be a bit concerned about how Neal and JMS played last year no???
RE: Eric-I am a huge fan of Schoen & Daboll  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 12:14 pm : link
In comment 16494857 AROCK1000 said:
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Please dont misconstrue my point.
I think they have the ship turned in the right direction.
I also think they have full support of John Mara....
But they are both first timers at their respective positions,and have suffered a bit of growing pains...
Thibs and Neal were the correct moves but the rest of that draft was a blurr of chasing...
JMS and Hyatt were solid picks that I loved at the time....
But we need to be a bit concerned about how Neal and JMS played last year no???


And I'm not defending them.

I'm merely pointing out that you saying that your claim that there has been a difference in their drafting is unfounded. If anything, fans were happier at this point two years ago and last year.

Regarding your last comment, now you're moving the goal posts. That's s different subject.
It’s difficult to judge how a GM  
Jaenyg : 4/27/2024 12:23 pm : link
Drafts without seeing their board.

Moving up, moving down, staying put (either because you couldn’t move or because you declined offers to move) are all a function of the board.

Without seeing the board and without knowing what deals we declined, how can we judge?

We can only somewhat judge where it appears that the scouting or coaching or merging of the two is solid or shitty, and we can’t make that determination for years. Liking or hating a draft immediately is only a function of your own self awareness and perspectives.
Eric  
AROCK1000 : 4/27/2024 12:36 pm : link
Care to elaborate on your not defending them comment?
Last year was injury filled and not thier fault at all
2022 was incredible
Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water
In 3 years they have completely  
larryflower37 : 4/27/2024 12:42 pm : link
Rebuilt the WR, secondary,TE,and Edge groups With young talented players with upside.
Hopefully the FA Class on the line is what we expect it to be.
His misses have been on the O-line in the draft which obviously hurts more than any other.
The draft grade all depends on Penix, Nix  
cosmicj : 4/27/2024 12:45 pm : link
And McCarthy. if they bust or are very average, Schoen’s grade goes way up. I think Nabers may very well be one of the NFL’s best players in a few years, but it’s really about who Schoen DIDN’T pick.
All 18 picks  
dabru : 4/27/2024 12:59 pm : link
from the 2022 and 2023 drafts remain on the roster. Not sure if that is a good thing but it certainly hasn’t been the normal over the years.
It didn't help that we had the best draft capital in 2022  
John in NC : 4/27/2024 1:09 pm : link
Which was a really weak draft. If we had that capital in this year's draft, you're getting much better value.
Love the Theo Johnson pick!  
AROCK1000 : 4/27/2024 1:24 pm : link
Big fast guy who can block...
Schoen has now addressed all 4 positions that we lost to free agency...assuming Waller leaves
B for this year  
GiantsFan84 : 4/27/2024 2:14 pm : link
Overall I like the players he’s taken. But he hasn’t accumulated extra picks in this year or next year. He hasn’t addressed the OL in an OL rich draft.

To me if you stand pat and don’t get extra value from what you started with in terms of draft picks a B is the best I will give
RE: Eric  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 2:18 pm : link
In comment 16495012 AROCK1000 said:
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Care to elaborate on your not defending them comment?
Last year was injury filled and not thier fault at all
2022 was incredible
Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water


My point was not to praise them or knock them... simply state that I see no difference in the way they have drafted.
 
ryanmkeane : 4/27/2024 2:47 pm : link
Robinson is a perfect example of a good draft pick and player stuck on a rough roster and injuries early on.

He showed last year he’s a legit player.
its gonna be hilarious  
BigBlueCane : 4/27/2024 3:26 pm : link
when he gets fired in a year or two despite the great draft grades.
It’d be nice  
Joe Beckwith : 4/27/2024 3:55 pm : link
if our draft picks especially , and the team in general, didn’t get long term injuries.
I believe this team could be highly successful with a season minimally effected by injuries.
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