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New York Giants 4th Round Selection: TE Theo Johnson

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 12:26 pm
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4/4 with visits  
Eric on Li : 4/27/2024 12:26 pm : link
maybe we should go back to calling them top 30?
RE: 4/4 with visits  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 12:27 pm : link
In comment 16494934 Eric on Li said:
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maybe we should go back to calling them top 30?


It's incredible. They have to start being careful about this moving forward.
Good bye  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 12:27 pm : link
Mr. Waller.
RE: RE: 4/4 with visits  
bigbluewillrise : 4/27/2024 12:28 pm : link
In comment 16494937 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16494934 Eric on Li said:


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maybe we should go back to calling them top 30?



It's incredible. They have to start being careful about this moving forward.


id rather this then toney/baker stuff where we dont even know anything about them. seems like a worthy tradeoff.
Nice  
Mark from Jersey : 4/27/2024 12:28 pm : link
pick makes a lot of sense and the kid has a high ceiling. Happy.
RE: Good bye  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/27/2024 12:28 pm : link
In comment 16494939 Eric from BBI said:
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Mr. Waller.


& good riddance.
With Waller gone, a desperate area of need  
cosmicj : 4/27/2024 12:28 pm : link
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Penn State  
GruningsOnTheHill : 4/27/2024 12:29 pm : link
Nice pick
McGinn + PFF + RAS  
Eric on Li : 4/27/2024 12:29 pm : link
McGinn

4. THEO JOHNSON, Penn State (6-6, 261, 4.62, 3-4): Helped himself at the combine with a solid 40, a 39 ½-inch vertical jump and a position-best short shuttle of 4.19. “I’d rather take a shot on him than Sanders,” one scout said. “He’s on the upside. He’s got assertiveness with his blocking but he’s not consistent with his blocking. He can make hard, adjusting catches but he can’t run after the catch. He doesn’t make people miss in space.” Started 29 of 45 games over four years, finishing with 77 receptions for 938 (12.2) and 12 TDs. “He’s a little bit intriguing,” said another scout. “He’s a big guy. He’s fast. He’ll give you effort as a blocker. He’s much improved in that area. He’s got ball skills. He’s a really clunky mover, a really unnatural route runner. He’s Canadian, so he’s raw. I thought he might go back to school. If somebody really wants one they might take him in the third but I don’t think he’s worth that.” From Windsor, Ontario.

PFF - Johnson brings plus size to the tight end position, ranking above the 70th percentile in height and weight. His long arms are an advantage when he is blocking edge rushers and hauling in passes. He has decent build-up and long speed when getting vertical up the seam, but he lacks the difference-making change-of-direction ability, which limits his route tree.

He makes his money from an inline spot as a versatile blocker and pass catcher in heavier formations. He is a strong blocker when he targets defenders between the shoulders, but he can sometimes get crossed up (another area where his limited lateral ability shows).

How did you get it so soon?  
barens : 4/27/2024 12:29 pm : link
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Called it!  
Sammo85 : 4/27/2024 12:30 pm : link
Love this pick.
Could be just anomaly this year  
Jaenyg : 4/27/2024 12:30 pm : link
I’m sure some prospects take themselves off the Giants board with their visits.

Maybe this year, more of them had positive visits and the way the draft and board fell just worked out to 100% instead of 50%
BTW  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 12:30 pm : link
Dan Duggan nailed his mock. He got three of the first four picks with the Giants.
How’d you get the pick  
MadPlaid : 4/27/2024 12:30 pm : link
When it isn’t on TV yet?
RE: How’d you get the pick  
Mike in NY : 4/27/2024 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16494961 MadPlaid said:
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When it isn’t on TV yet?


Looked at your Mock Draft
Decent pick  
jeff57 : 4/27/2024 12:31 pm : link
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RE: RE: 4/4 with visits  
RCPhoenix : 4/27/2024 12:32 pm : link
In comment 16494937 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16494934 Eric on Li said:


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maybe we should go back to calling them top 30?



It's incredible. They have to start being careful about this moving forward.


How does it compare to other teams? Unless they are an outlier with their drafting then I don’t see how this is an issue.
I don’t see it with him  
GiantsFan84 : 4/27/2024 12:32 pm : link
Good hands but not sudden or powerful or agile. I know he has a high RAS but it doesn’t show. Gives you nothing after the catch. Not a fan of this pick
Derek Brown Redux?  
TrueBlue'02 : 4/27/2024 12:32 pm : link
Feels similar.
What a family story on Theo Johnson  
GFAN52 : 4/27/2024 12:33 pm : link
Interesting video on his hardship growing up with an abusive father and the hardships he faxed growing up.
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RE: RE: How’d you get the pick  
MadPlaid : 4/27/2024 12:33 pm : link
In comment 16494965 Mike in NY said:
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When it isn’t on TV yet?



Looked at your Mock Draft
and did the opposite?
Popular player here on the board  
Biteymax22 : 4/27/2024 12:33 pm : link
Fits well with us, while I would have loved us to get a QB somehow, this is shaping up to be a good draft
Cosell:  
Strahan91 : 4/27/2024 12:33 pm : link
Johnson possesses the position versatility to be used in multiple personnel groups and schemes because of his ability to play attached and detached, especially in the slot and use in the red zone as matchup problem for opposing defenses. His ability to block allows him to be to be either a primary TE or secondary TE in multiple TE sets.

Very good blocker who plays under control with good technique at the point of attack while possessing the athleticism and movement skills to stay engaged. Big frame and catch radius allow him to make catches in traffic or over the middle of the field.

He is a long strider with deceptive vertical speed to allow him to attack the seams. He struggles to redirect laterally as a route runner due to his upright playing style limiting his separation out of sharper in and out-breaking routes. He has a good feel for defensive coverage schemes and finding voids when running his routes, especially over the middle down the seams.

Overall, Johnson is an all-around TE with noticeable upside potential, who has the ability to contribute as a run blocker and as a versatile pass catcher who can make plays from attached or detached alignment. Johnson can be a Year 1 contributor in multiple TE sets and eventually develop into a solid No. 1 TE.
Full Report - ( New Window )
RE: RE: 4/4 with visits  
Optimus-NY : 4/27/2024 12:33 pm : link
In comment 16494937 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16494934 Eric on Li said:


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maybe we should go back to calling them top 30?



It's incredible. They have to start being careful about this moving forward.


+1
Love it.  
bwitz : 4/27/2024 12:33 pm : link
Big beefy TE with upside.
RE: RE: Good bye  
RCPhoenix : 4/27/2024 12:33 pm : link
In comment 16494944 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 16494939 Eric from BBI said:


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Mr. Waller.



& good riddance.


Addition by subtraction.
NFL Network  
Reeses Pieces : 4/27/2024 12:34 pm : link
Highlighted Theo before the pick with his Next Gen stats before the pick was announced. They said they were going to look at Cedric Gray highlights. A bit of a mishap.
reminds me a lot of kevin boss (raw but good size/athlete)  
Eric on Li : 4/27/2024 12:34 pm : link
i dont love the pick but i think like boss he can be a contributing TE.

"A three-year starter at Penn State, Johnson was a versatile tight end in former offensive coordinator Mike Yurcich’s RPO-based scheme, splitting his time
between inline (47.9 percent), slot (38.8 percent) and wide (9.8 percent).

A wide receiver in high school in Canada, he faced a steep transition moving to tight end at State College and didn’t have a 100-yard receiving performance in 45 college games (and reached 75 yards just once). But his production steadily climbed each season, and he led the Nittany Lions in touchdown grabs in 2023.

Johnson is quick off the ball and builds his speed downfield, giving his quarterback a big tar get with his size, strong hands and athletic catch radius. As a blocker, he doesn’t embarrass himself but needs to better understand leverage and develop more of a glass-chewing mentality.

Overall, Johnson has inconsistent college tape and production, but he has A-plus measurements and smooth athletic tools that could allow him to continue developing and become a better pro than college player. Although he is a work in progress, he is a worthy long-term investment for an NFL team."
Derek Brown history  
TrueBlue'02 : 4/27/2024 12:34 pm : link
Giants 1st round pick 1992. 6' 6", 268 pounds, great physical form, not a good football player.
RE: How’d you get the pick  
bwitz : 4/27/2024 12:34 pm : link
In comment 16494961 MadPlaid said:
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When it isn’t on TV yet?


Maybe something to do with the delay and where people live?
RE: BTW  
bigbluehoya : 4/27/2024 12:34 pm : link
In comment 16494960 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan nailed his mock. He got three of the first four picks with the Giants.


That’s pretty ridiculous. Hitting a top 10 pick guess is one thing, hitting multiples in the 70s and 100s is pretty nuts.
RE: Derek Brown Redux?  
RCPhoenix : 4/27/2024 12:35 pm : link
In comment 16494973 TrueBlue'02 said:
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Feels similar.


Why, is Johnson known for being soft?
 
ryanmkeane : 4/27/2024 12:35 pm : link
Schoen cooking now
Theo Johnson!!  
Cheech d : 4/27/2024 12:35 pm : link
My wish since round 3 started.
This will round out our offensive weapons and provide a two way threat at tight end.
RE: Derek Brown history  
PetesHereNow : 4/27/2024 12:35 pm : link
In comment 16494990 TrueBlue'02 said:
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Giants 1st round pick 1992. 6' 6", 268 pounds, great physical form, not a good football player.


You do know this is the 4th round, right?
RE: Cosell:  
Eric on Li : 4/27/2024 12:35 pm : link
In comment 16494982 Strahan91 said:
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Johnson possesses the position versatility to be used in multiple personnel groups and schemes because of his ability to play attached and detached, especially in the slot and use in the red zone as matchup problem for opposing defenses. His ability to block allows him to be to be either a primary TE or secondary TE in multiple TE sets.

Very good blocker who plays under control with good technique at the point of attack while possessing the athleticism and movement skills to stay engaged. Big frame and catch radius allow him to make catches in traffic or over the middle of the field.

He is a long strider with deceptive vertical speed to allow him to attack the seams. He struggles to redirect laterally as a route runner due to his upright playing style limiting his separation out of sharper in and out-breaking routes. He has a good feel for defensive coverage schemes and finding voids when running his routes, especially over the middle down the seams.

Overall, Johnson is an all-around TE with noticeable upside potential, who has the ability to contribute as a run blocker and as a versatile pass catcher who can make plays from attached or detached alignment. Johnson can be a Year 1 contributor in multiple TE sets and eventually develop into a solid No. 1 TE. Full Report - ( New Window )


sounds very boss-y to me. another solid single/double but i think i may have swung for the fences (dorlus or wright).
RE: Derek Brown Redux?  
DefenseWins : 4/27/2024 12:36 pm : link
In comment 16494973 TrueBlue'02 said:
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Feels similar.


It feels NOTHING like Derek Brown. We took that loser in the first round.
RE: Derek Brown history  
bwitz : 4/27/2024 12:36 pm : link
In comment 16494990 TrueBlue'02 said:
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Giants 1st round pick 1992. 6' 6", 268 pounds, great physical form, not a good football player.


They just selected this guy at 107. Not sure the point you’re trying to make has any merit.
Sy loves the upside  
Sean : 4/27/2024 12:36 pm : link
Says he has the ability to be the best of the class.
Good  
AcidTest : 4/27/2024 12:36 pm : link
pick. Replacement for Waller and insurance in case Bellinger doesn't bounce back from a down year last season.
Seems a good pick  
Darwinian : 4/27/2024 12:37 pm : link
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RE: Good bye  
DavidinBMNY : 4/27/2024 12:37 pm : link
In comment 16494939 Eric from BBI said:
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Mr. Waller.
#WallwrOut

What can we do with that cash?
Meh.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/27/2024 12:37 pm : link

Lots of better players on the board. The Giants suck and haven't hit on one of these "upside" picks... Ever?
I hated  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/27/2024 12:38 pm : link
The Waller trade because I watched a lot of Raiders games and the dude was always injured must know that he plans to retire must be waiting for a certain pay off date to be reached.
Great pick!  
SimmsToBavaro : 4/27/2024 12:38 pm : link
He was held back in the a bad PSU offense. He will have an immediate impact.
personally, I would've rather grabbed a RB or Guard  
jnoble : 4/27/2024 12:38 pm : link
but I'm not getting paid to evaluate these guys six ways to Sunday for months leading up to the draft, so I'll trust they know better than I
I LOVE  
Breeze_94 : 4/27/2024 12:39 pm : link
This pick. He might start out of the gate. Traits are off the charts and TE is a position where traits work.

His film is good too, he just wasn’t utilized much at PSU.
RE: Good  
Eric on Li : 4/27/2024 12:39 pm : link
In comment 16495008 AcidTest said:
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pick. Replacement for Waller and insurance in case Bellinger doesn't bounce back from a down year last season.


Bellinger was still better than people realize last year.

caught 25 of 28 targets his way. just 3 incompletions when the ball was thrown to him.

with waller he got a more grunt work role that i dont think suited him great.
I hope he's great  
TrueBlue'02 : 4/27/2024 12:39 pm : link
but there are a good number of physical specimen guys with great measurables that are not good football players.

More production in college should have been there.
I am surprised NE  
Amtoft : 4/27/2024 12:39 pm : link
went WR Javon Baker over WR Tez giving Drake his weapon
His highlight reel  
David B. : 4/27/2024 12:39 pm : link
Looks really good.
RE: I hated  
jnoble : 4/27/2024 12:40 pm : link
In comment 16495018 Paulie Walnuts said:
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The Waller trade because I watched a lot of Raiders games and the dude was always injured must know that he plans to retire must be waiting for a certain pay off date to be reached.


Darren "Ow! My hamstring!" Waller
I know  
Jon In NYC : 4/27/2024 12:40 pm : link
everyone is saying goodbye Waller goodbye Waller but I have no problem with him returning for one more year to ease Johnson into the role full time.
Draft so far  
RCPhoenix : 4/27/2024 12:40 pm : link
2 from Big Ten, 2 from SEC.

And it’s not Johnson’s fault he had Franklin as a coach.
RE: I am surprised NE  
Amtoft : 4/27/2024 12:40 pm : link
In comment 16495028 Amtoft said:
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went WR Javon Baker over WR Tez giving Drake his weapon


wrong thread hahaha... The potential is there for a big time player with Johnson. He has what you can't teach... now lets teach him what we can.
RE: RE: I hated  
bLiTz 2k : 4/27/2024 12:41 pm : link
In comment 16495031 jnoble said:
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The Waller trade because I watched a lot of Raiders games and the dude was always injured must know that he plans to retire must be waiting for a certain pay off date to be reached.



Darren "Ow! My hamstring!" Waller


Dumb fucking comment.
RE: I hope he's great  
RCPhoenix : 4/27/2024 12:41 pm : link
In comment 16495026 TrueBlue'02 said:
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but there are a good number of physical specimen guys with great measurables that are not good football players.

More production in college should have been there.


He played for Franklin
Good  
AcidTest : 4/27/2024 12:41 pm : link
blocker. Straight line runner only with good speed down the seam. Limited lateral agility. Slow in and out of routes and cuts, probably because of his size. Big target.
RE: RE: Good  
AcidTest : 4/27/2024 12:42 pm : link
In comment 16495025 Eric on Li said:
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pick. Replacement for Waller and insurance in case Bellinger doesn't bounce back from a down year last season.



Bellinger was still better than people realize last year.

caught 25 of 28 targets his way. just 3 incompletions when the ball was thrown to him.

with waller he got a more grunt work role that i dont think suited him great.


That's true.
Talented kid  
Toth029 : 4/27/2024 12:42 pm : link
With upside. That's the 4th round.

TE room with Bellinger, Johnson, Stoll, manhertz and Cager.

I'd expect Belly, Theo and Stoll/Manhert to be the guys and the fourth as PS.
Sy'56  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 12:43 pm : link
4) Theo Johnson – Penn State – 6’6 / 259

Grade: 78

Three-year starter. All-Big Ten in 2023. Johnson has the prototype body merged with soft hands and quick feet to pose as a potential starting tight end in the league. He has shown flashes of being a matchup nightmare for both linebackers and defensive backs. The catch radius and sheer weight he can play should help with some of the short area movement issues he shows as a route runner and ball carrier to have at least a quality backup outlook. The athletic upside he possesses leaves the door open to a bigger role. He brings a rare blend of size and speed to the table that coaches will want a crack at developing. Johnson needs to clean up some of the fine points of the position to reach his ceiling, but the floor with him is high to feel safe about hm providing solid rotational play, at least.

*I’ll say this right now. Johnson has the ceiling to be the top tight end in this class (including Bowers). That fact alone leads me to believe he should be graded a bit higher. But the number is the number. He has several flashes on tape combined with a historic blend of size, explosion, and speed. At this time, however, he is a better athlete than he is a football player. I felt that way after watching tape and when I saw him in person at the Senior Bowl. It looks like he is still learning his body and simply lacks some important coordination and football reaction speed. Worth the gamble because he could change an offense. Maybe a similar trajectory we have seen with Cole Kmet with the Bears.

NFL Comparison: Cole Kmet / CHI
I’m more and more of the opinion that a TE’s blocking  
cosmicj : 4/27/2024 12:43 pm : link
Skills are their most vital attribute. Johnson is huge and apparently blocks well. If he doesn’t drop passes much, I don’t care if he isn’t quick twitch. Good pick.
Daniel Jeremiah's comp for him is  
Four Aces : 4/27/2024 12:43 pm : link
Jimmy Graham. Not bad at all.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 12:44 pm : link
David Syvertsen
@Ourlads_Sy
107) NYG: Theo Johnson: TE/Penn State

Top available TE for a team that appears ready to move on from Darren Waller. One of the most impressive physical specimens you will ever find at the position. Did something every film I watched that raised the eyebrows. Long strider that is an absolute matchup nightmare. High ceiling.
Sounds a little like the JPP of TEs.  
BigBlueNH : 4/27/2024 12:44 pm : link
Let's hope for better this time.
Like it a lot  
uconngiant : 4/27/2024 12:45 pm : link
Big player with upside at a position of need
Darren Waller  
GruningsOnTheHill : 4/27/2024 12:46 pm : link
Has he officially retired? I just googled it, and all I found was an article yesterday where he said he was "an inch closer to making a decision."
RE: RE: RE: 4/4 with visits  
DavidinBMNY : 4/27/2024 12:48 pm : link
In comment 16494983 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 16494934 Eric on Li said:


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maybe we should go back to calling them top 30?



It's incredible. They have to start being careful about this moving forward.



+1
. As long as they talk to clusters of guyy, I don't think it's a big deal.

Xref positions/players at different ranking spots.

RE: Darren Waller  
Amtoft : 4/27/2024 12:48 pm : link
In comment 16495060 GruningsOnTheHill said:
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Has he officially retired? I just googled it, and all I found was an article yesterday where he said he was "an inch closer to making a decision."


A couple of people had it on twitter yesterday, but they aren't like top guys to call that. The thing is if he retires we can ask for some money back. If we cut him then we get nothing.
As a PSU fan...  
bw in dc : 4/27/2024 12:48 pm : link
I really like Johnson's upside. Really good-looking athlete and he's physical.

It's too bad he was playing with Kent Graham, Jr at QB - Drew Allar. Allar could be standing on a beach right now and struggle throw the ball into the ocean. That makes it hard to evaluate, IMV, how productive TJ would have bee in the passing game.

Combine  
Archer : 4/27/2024 12:48 pm : link
Theo was timed while doing drills at the combine and he timed at an amazing 23 MPH.

That is crazy fast.
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Love this pick  
Rjanyg : 4/27/2024 12:50 pm : link
So far all 3 picks top 30 visits.

If we can land Estime with the next pick that would be 5 for 5
RE: Theo Johnson!!  
5BowlsSoon : 4/27/2024 12:50 pm : link
In comment 16495001 Cheech d said:
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My wish since round 3 started.
This will round out our offensive weapons and provide a two way threat at tight end.


Seeing he hasn’t caught many passes, why did you like him so much?
RE: As a PSU fan...  
Amtoft : 4/27/2024 12:50 pm : link
In comment 16495068 bw in dc said:
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I really like Johnson's upside. Really good-looking athlete and he's physical.

It's too bad he was playing with Kent Graham, Jr at QB - Drew Allar. Allar could be standing on a beach right now and struggle throw the ball into the ocean. That makes it hard to evaluate, IMV, how productive TJ would have bee in the passing game.


To be fair the beach is usually windy
Waller is retired...  
Mike in St. Louis : 4/27/2024 12:51 pm : link
at least according to Bill Enright...

Sources: Darren Waller officially retiring. #NFLDraft #Giants
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RE: I don’t see it with him  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/27/2024 12:52 pm : link
In comment 16494972 GiantsFan84 said:
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Good hands but not sudden or powerful or agile. I know he has a high RAS but it doesn’t show. Gives you nothing after the catch. Not a fan of this pick



interested in seeing what Daboll can get out of him.
the endless drafting for need  
battttles : 4/27/2024 12:52 pm : link
feels weird. maybe Johnson was their top ranked player, but it's unlikely imo

need/panic + comfy with him after the 30 meet over a better proven football player seems extreme with Schoen pick after pick, no?
Well Sy liked him. Said he could end up being the best tight end in  
Blue21 : 4/27/2024 12:53 pm : link
his class.
Gotta waste  
SoZKillA : 4/27/2024 12:54 pm : link
a pick on TE because Waller is an absolute weirdo
RE: Gotta waste  
Strahan91 : 4/27/2024 12:55 pm : link
In comment 16495086 SoZKillA said:
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a pick on TE because Waller is an absolute weirdo

How is it a waste of a pick? Even if Waller wasn’t mulling retirement, this would be his last year here anyways
The rumblings on Waller  
DavidinBMNY : 4/27/2024 12:55 pm : link
Are pretty significant. Getting divorced, infidelity, other things floating out there.. if these things are true he sounds like a mess.
Kind of interesting that his Dad was a Giant in 1980  
Kevin_in_Pgh : 4/27/2024 12:55 pm : link
Given the abuse situation, I wonder how it feels for Theo to be drafted by the same organization.
RE: Well Sy liked him. Said he could end up being the best tight end in  
Amtoft : 4/27/2024 12:55 pm : link
In comment 16495082 Blue21 said:
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his class.


That must not include Bowers hahaha
RE: Sounds a little like the JPP of TEs.  
Will Shine : 4/27/2024 12:55 pm : link
In comment 16495054 BigBlueNH said:
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Let's hope for better this time.


Keep him away from fireworks and remember Canada Day is July 1
LOL  
UberAlias : 4/27/2024 12:56 pm : link
This is really good pick.
RE: Sounds a little like the JPP of TEs.  
wigs in nyc : 4/27/2024 12:56 pm : link
In comment 16495054 BigBlueNH said:
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Let's hope for better this time.


That is some callback I wasn’t ready for
RE: the endless drafting for need  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 12:56 pm : link
In comment 16495078 battttles said:
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feels weird. maybe Johnson was their top ranked player, but it's unlikely imo

need/panic + comfy with him after the 30 meet over a better proven football player seems extreme with Schoen pick after pick, no?


FFS.
RE: Darren Waller  
JohnB : 4/27/2024 12:57 pm : link
In comment 16495060 GruningsOnTheHill said:
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Has he officially retired? I just googled it, and all I found was an article yesterday where he said he was "an inch closer to making a decision."


With that pick, I’m thinking he just got A LOT closer to retirement!
Great Pick!  
Jim in Tampa : 4/27/2024 12:57 pm : link
One of the two picks I was hoping for today.

I'm just hoping that either Estime or Wright (RBs) are still there when we pick in the 5th.
RE: RE: the endless drafting for need  
battttles : 4/27/2024 12:59 pm : link
In comment 16495099 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16495078 battttles said:


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feels weird. maybe Johnson was their top ranked player, but it's unlikely imo

need/panic + comfy with him after the 30 meet over a better proven football player seems extreme with Schoen pick after pick, no?



FFS.


;)
RE: the endless drafting for need  
bw in dc : 4/27/2024 1:00 pm : link
In comment 16495078 battttles said:
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feels weird. maybe Johnson was their top ranked player, but it's unlikely imo

need/panic + comfy with him after the 30 meet over a better proven football player seems extreme with Schoen pick after pick, no?


When you go to the supermarket to buy food, do you buy what you need, or do you walk around looking for the best product available at the best price?
RE: Great Pick!  
Eric on Li : 4/27/2024 1:00 pm : link
In comment 16495102 Jim in Tampa said:
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One of the two picks I was hoping for today.

I'm just hoping that either Estime or Wright (RBs) are still there when we pick in the 5th.


Agree Jim - wouldn’t hate doubling up on a db either, cam hart, hicks, etc

Wingo and ray davis also good options.
George Kittle never had a lot of production in college either.  
BleedBlue46 : 4/27/2024 1:01 pm : link
I'm loving what I'm hearing about this guy. High ceiling, safe floor. Solid pick.
uncanny  
WestCoastGFan : 4/27/2024 1:01 pm : link
He's a Darren Waller clone...
uncanny  
WestCoastGFan : 4/27/2024 1:02 pm : link
He's a Darren Waller clone...
Lot of speed on offense  
CTGiants : 4/27/2024 1:02 pm : link
with Nabers, Hyatt, Robinson, Slayton, and now Theo Johnson. maybe add some speed at RB and if the OL doesn't fail again could be pretty tough to defend
Good background video here  
David B. : 4/27/2024 1:02 pm : link
Kid had a rough start.

https://youtu.be/BmTXkeLaqfg?si=5ghISKBimipt4C3g
RE: the endless drafting for need  
JFIB : 4/27/2024 1:04 pm : link
In comment 16495078 battttles said:
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feels weird. maybe Johnson was their top ranked player, but it's unlikely imo

need/panic + comfy with him after the 30 meet over a better proven football player seems extreme with Schoen pick after pick, no?


You think after having all night to contemplate their pick this morning that Schoen panicked? I don’t think so. Why is drafting for need on a team with so many holes a bad thing? These are positions that desperately need attention. Get over it.
RE: What a family story on Theo Johnson  
Optimus-NY : 4/27/2024 1:04 pm : link
In comment 16494976 GFAN52 said:
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Interesting video on his hardship growing up with an abusive father and the hardships he faxed growing up. Link - ( New Window )


Great story
RE: uncanny  
Toth029 : 4/27/2024 1:07 pm : link
In comment 16495114 WestCoastGFan said:
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He's a Darren Waller clone...


No he isn’t. He's nearly 30 lbs heavier.
I'm pumped  
Mondo : 4/27/2024 1:07 pm : link
Goodbye Waller!
After watching that video  
David B. : 4/27/2024 1:08 pm : link
I wouldn't bet against this kid.
RE: I hope he's great  
Lionhart28 : 4/27/2024 1:09 pm : link
In comment 16495026 TrueBlue'02 said:
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but there are a good number of physical specimen guys with great measurables that are not good football players.

More production in college should have been there.


He only started this year, not a 3 year starter as one scouting report said. He played behind Brenton Strange (2023 2nd round pick) the last few years and the other TE Tyler Warren will be a Day 2 pick next year. Definitely not a polished player (I like Warren better), but the lack of production doesn’t scare me that much.
RE: RE: the endless drafting for need  
Mbavaro : 4/27/2024 1:09 pm : link
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feels weird. maybe Johnson was their top ranked player, but it's unlikely imo

need/panic + comfy with him after the 30 meet over a better proven football player seems extreme with Schoen pick after pick, no?



When you go to the supermarket to buy food, do you buy what you need, or do you walk around looking for the best product available at the best price?


Good analogy
RE: Combine  
gersh : 4/27/2024 1:10 pm : link
In comment 16495070 Archer said:
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Theo was timed while doing drills at the combine and he timed at an amazing 23 MPH.

That is crazy fast. Link - ( New Window )


My nephew is at PennState so I watched a bunch of games this year. Theo I really is surprisingly fast. Their passing offense was not much so perhaps some of his lack of development and stats are due to that.

The talent to need ratio in this draft has aligned very nicely. Silver lining to needing help at a lot of positons.

Interior DT/Big DE with pass rushing skills remains
….  
gersh : 4/27/2024 1:10 pm : link
And RB
We can only guess that the Giants coaches liked his upside. He seems  
Ira : 4/27/2024 1:11 pm : link
to have potential, but doesn't seem ready to make an impact.
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Banks : 4/27/2024 1:11 pm : link
Penn stater here. He is not a blocker. He's actually quite poor there. That's why he started losing reps to Warren. Warren actually started becoming the better receiver of two as well. That said he's very athletic and has a ton of potential. Just don't expect him to be a mauler of a blocker. That's not his game
drafting for need  
Archer : 4/27/2024 1:13 pm : link
Any pick that the Giants make is for a position of need.
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Del Shofner : 4/27/2024 1:17 pm : link
In comment 16495161 Banks said:
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Penn stater here. He is not a blocker. He's actually quite poor there. That's why he started losing reps to Warren. Warren actually started becoming the better receiver of two as well. That said he's very athletic and has a ton of potential. Just don't expect him to be a mauler of a blocker. That's not his game


That's disappointing to hear. He's got the size and speed, and looks like good hands; hopefully he develops as a blocker too.
now that's a story  
bc4life : 4/27/2024 1:18 pm : link
to put dust in your eye...
Khristian Boyd  
Archer : 4/27/2024 1:19 pm : link
I hope that Boyd is available when the Gants pick next
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NYGiantFL007 : 4/27/2024 1:20 pm : link
In comment 16495181 Del Shofner said:
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Penn stater here. He is not a blocker. He's actually quite poor there. That's why he started losing reps to Warren. Warren actually started becoming the better receiver of two as well. That said he's very athletic and has a ton of potential. Just don't expect him to be a mauler of a blocker. That's not his game



That's disappointing to hear. He's got the size and speed, and looks like good hands; hopefully he develops as a blocker too.


This is absolutley different then what other evaluators are saying.
Excellent Pick  
AROCK1000 : 4/27/2024 1:20 pm : link
6 foot 6 and fast...and can block!!
Yes!!!
From The Athletic  
M.S. : 4/27/2024 1:20 pm : link
Ranked 80th prospect overall.

STRENGTHS: Good-looking athlete with ideal size/speed measurements for the position … smooth mover with fluid control of his body as a route runner and at the catch point (best short shuttle among tight ends at the combine) … flashes the acceleration to gain a step of separation on runway routes … snares the ball well in stride and quickly secures it to protect the catch … has no problem expanding his catch radius to climb the ladder and adjust to inaccurate passes … looks comfortable securing grabs in traffic … shows his quickness on cutoff blocks and made steady strides with his run blocking … awarded Penn State’s “Iron Lion” Award for strength and conditioning as a senior (NFL scout: “I know (Pat) Freiermuth influenced him a lot when he got there and showed him what it takes to play big-boy football.”) … was a regular on punt- and kick-return coverage as a senior (243 career snaps) … experienced across the formation.

WEAKNESSES: Runs predictable routes and gives tells to defenders on his intended path … has the balance to make the first man miss, just doesn’t do it enough (only two catches of 25-plus yards in 2023) … needs to show better snap through his hips, both as a route runner and blocker … tends to overextend himself as a blocker and needs to improve his base and positioning to control the point of attack … committed five penalties in 2023 (three false starts, one pass interference, one unsportsmanlike conduct) … below-average career production (fewer than 1,000 career receiving yards … off-field vetting will be key, as he was charged with two misdemeanors (one for simple assault, one for criminal mischief), stemming from a February 2023 incident at a fraternity house (Johnson was ordered to complete a
six-month, pre-trial intervention program for first-time offenders).

SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Penn State, Johnson was a versatile tight end in former offensive coordinator Mike Yurcich’s RPO-based scheme, splitting his time between inline (47.9 percent), slot (38.8 percent) and wide (9.8 percent). A wide receiver in high school in Canada, he faced a steep transition moving to tight end at State College and didn’t have a 100-yard receiving performance in 45 college games (and reached 75 yards just once). But his production steadily climbed each season, and he led the Nittany Lions in touchdown grabs in 2023. Johnson is quick off the ball and builds his speed downfield, giving his quarterback a big target with his size, strong hands and athletic catch radius. As a blocker, he doesn’t embarrass himself but needs to better understand leverage and develop more of a glass
chewing mentality. Overall, Johnson has inconsistent college tape and production, but he has A-plus measurements and smooth athletic tools that could allow him to continue developing and become a better pro than college player. Although he is a work in progress, he is a worthy long-term investment for an NFL team.
Nice highlights  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 1:21 pm : link
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2024 NFL Draft Highlights: TE Theo Johnson | Penn State Football - ( New Window )
As TEs go  
bc4life : 4/27/2024 1:21 pm : link
he's an elite athlete. He can catch the ball. Hard worker and has the size so I'm expecting him to work on his blocking.
How can you not like this pick?

And - he'll be in the TE room with Manhertz and Stoll.
RE: Love this pick  
Optimus-NY : 4/27/2024 1:22 pm : link
In comment 16495072 Rjanyg said:
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So far all 3 picks top 30 visits.

If we can land Estime with the next pick that would be 5 for 5


True Dat
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 1:22 pm : link
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
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10m
Theo Johnson said he can become a tight end that you can’t take off the field. When it’s all said and done, he wants to become a dominant blocker through more work and attention to detail at the NFL level.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 1:23 pm : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Theo Johnson said he didn't actually visit the Giants, but he had a great experience with Shea Tierney, who was his team's OC at the Senior Bowl. He also knows Daboll's son, Christian, who was a student assistant at Penn State and is now a Giants offensive assistant.
Love a good high upside pick  
illmatic : 4/27/2024 1:23 pm : link
In the 4th. Sounds like with the right coaching, he can become a very good player.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 1:23 pm : link
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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Theo Johnson spent the week at the Senior Bowl getting close with Giants pass game coordinator/QB coach Shea Tierney, who was his OC in Mobile.
Johnson very complimentary of Shea, and says after that he was hoping for NYG in draft.
RE: .  
SomeFan : 4/27/2024 1:25 pm : link
In comment 16495161 Banks said:
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Penn stater here. He is not a blocker. He's actually quite poor there. That's why he started losing reps to Warren. Warren actually started becoming the better receiver of two as well. That said he's very athletic and has a ton of potential. Just don't expect him to be a mauler of a blocker. That's not his game
That is concerning particularly the pass catching as that is where I would have thought he'd be super dominant in college.
his blocking can improve  
bc4life : 4/27/2024 1:26 pm : link
wtf you think we are paying the coaches for?
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 1:26 pm : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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1m
Johnson said he admires George Kittle and believes he can become that type of player
re: him as a receiver  
bc4life : 4/27/2024 1:29 pm : link
He will be bigger and faster than most LBs covering him. His size will be a huge problem for safeties. He's almost lineman size.
Not to be a downer  
SomeFan : 4/27/2024 1:32 pm : link
but I have been burned in the game of love too many times. This guy has the earmarks of looks like Tarzan/plays like Jane written all over him.
Very good picka two wayTE with size  
kelly : 4/27/2024 1:32 pm : link
Good hands, big frame. Will do the dirty work over the middle and can block.

Essentially the opposite Of Waller.
Tight End today was about as obvious at it comes. And to the point  
ThomasG : 4/27/2024 1:32 pm : link
made above, Schoen has to be careful about these top 30 visit lists moving forward...I pulled the 30 visit thread this morning to see who they would select and sure enough, right on the money.

Johnson is a nice pick and I am still very high on Bellinger too. Adding in Stoll earlier this offseason and now this unit is coming into shape with some versatile guys in a lot of different formations.

Bye Waller, thanks for all the help.
Let me guess, great pick?  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/27/2024 1:35 pm : link
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RE: ...  
BleedBlue46 : 4/27/2024 1:37 pm : link
In comment 16495218 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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1m
Johnson said he admires George Kittle and believes he can become that type of player


Like I said, Kittle had extremely low college production. I could see this.
ThomasG  
bc4life : 4/27/2024 1:37 pm : link
Don't forget Manhertz
RE: RE: .  
Banks : 4/27/2024 1:37 pm : link
In comment 16495213 SomeFan said:
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That is concerning particularly the pass catching as that is where I would have thought he'd be super dominant in college.

Well, the line stinks, the qb has been underwhelming even though he's a five star, and then you have Warren there. He's fine as a receiver. Warren just has little better hands. He isn't the athlete johnson is though. In the pros I see Warren as more of a safety valve whereas Johnson can be a threat
RE: Let me guess, great pick?  
MojoEd : 4/27/2024 1:38 pm : link
In comment 16495251 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Call your shot like Sy does or sit back down.
Banks  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 1:39 pm : link
the thing that sticks out to me with Johnson is his catch radius. He also is a vertical threat.
RE: RE: Let me guess, great pick?  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/27/2024 1:39 pm : link
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Call your shot like Sy does or sit back down.


Um, what? Are you okay?
RE: RE: RE: Good bye  
DonQuixote : 4/27/2024 1:40 pm : link
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Mr. Waller.



& good riddance.



Addition by subtraction.


get classy people...he and his wife are having real issues in their personal lives.
RE: RE: RE: Let me guess, great pick?  
MojoEd : 4/27/2024 1:41 pm : link
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Call your shot like Sy does or sit back down.



Um, what? Are you okay?

Sorry for the overreaction, and yes I thought it was a great pick! :)
RE: ThomasG  
ThomasG : 4/27/2024 1:42 pm : link
In comment 16495264 bc4life said:
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Don't forget Manhertz


BC - I don't really know him or his game. Any good?
RE: RE: 4/4 with visits  
BH28 : 4/27/2024 1:43 pm : link
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maybe we should go back to calling them top 30?



It's incredible. They have to start being careful about this moving forward.


It would be interesting to see how that correlates with other teams.
RE: Not to be a downer  
giantsFC : 4/27/2024 1:45 pm : link
In comment 16495235 SomeFan said:
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but I have been burned in the game of love too many times. This guy has the earmarks of looks like Tarzan/plays like Jane written all over him.


Worried too. Adrien Robinson v 2.0?

To be fair it’s r4. If he even plays at an NFL avg starting TE level it’s solid considering giants depth at position recent years.
RE: Let me guess, great pick?  
Mbavaro : 4/27/2024 1:48 pm : link
In comment 16495251 Dave in Hoboken said:
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And why would you say it isn’t?
RE: RE: Let me guess, great pick?  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/27/2024 1:49 pm : link
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And why would you say it isn’t?


Because it seems like most picks are considered good...until they start to play, as we've seen over and over again.
RE: RE: RE: Let me guess, great pick?  
Mbavaro : 4/27/2024 1:53 pm : link
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And why would you say it isn’t?



Because it seems like most picks are considered good...until they start to play, as we've seen over and over again.


So you automatically assume they will flops

Brilliant analysis
Man, some people  
LS : 4/27/2024 1:53 pm : link
here must be such a joy to live with.
Dave in Hoboken  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 1:56 pm : link
Let me guess, bad pick.

Did I get this right? Just trying to play the game the right way.
This is the time of year to be hopeful  
Mattman : 4/27/2024 2:01 pm : link
About the new players
RE: RE: RE: RE: Let me guess, great pick?  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/27/2024 2:04 pm : link
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And why would you say it isn’t?



Because it seems like most picks are considered good...until they start to play, as we've seen over and over again.



So you automatically assume they will flops

Brilliant analysis


No need to automatically assume when it winds up being the case more times than it doesn't.
I love that we're  
mittenedman : 4/27/2024 2:05 pm : link
going back to a bunch of big slobberknockers at TE. Part of blocking is supplemental blocking - the TE's, WR's and RB's. And the Giants have been liabilities there for a long time. Years of Engram (and then Waller) as the starting TE.

It worked for them in 2022, too.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Let me guess, great pick?  
Mbavaro : 4/27/2024 2:07 pm : link
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And why would you say it isn’t?



Because it seems like most picks are considered good...until they start to play, as we've seen over and over again.



So you automatically assume they will flops

Brilliant analysis



No need to automatically assume when it winds up being the case more times than it doesn't.


Must to have a glass half empty existence

You must be a hoot a parties
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Let me guess, great pick?  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/27/2024 2:10 pm : link
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And why would you say it isn’t?



Because it seems like most picks are considered good...until they start to play, as we've seen over and over again.



So you automatically assume they will flops

Brilliant analysis



No need to automatically assume when it winds up being the case more times than it doesn't.



Must to have a glass half empty existence

You must be a hoot a parties


Blame the Giants.
Do you ever post a football opinion? Or just only express disdain  
ThomasG : 4/27/2024 2:10 pm : link
when another poster criticizes the front office or the team?
RE: I love that we're  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 2:12 pm : link
In comment 16495358 mittenedman said:
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going back to a bunch of big slobberknockers at TE. Part of blocking is supplemental blocking - the TE's, WR's and RB's. And the Giants have been liabilities there for a long time. Years of Engram (and then Waller) as the starting TE.

It worked for them in 2022, too.


The FA signings were the blockers. This isn't that kind of guy. He's more a receiving threat to replace Waller.
Supposedly six drops  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/27/2024 2:14 pm : link
over four years in college.
watched pick from the gym, saw the short 'highlights', went OMG  
ColHowPepper : 4/27/2024 2:14 pm : link
I figured this is Adrien Robinson but worse: he looked so slow and almost club footed on his routes, said to myself, shxt, Schoen is drafting for pure need, awful. Got back just now and read Ourlads writeup (thanks, Sy') and not as bad as I he looked, but it does say this:
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catch radius and sheer weight he can play should help with some of the short area movement issues he shows as a route runner...Checks all ...boxes when he walks off the bus [ha!]...Has some slower,, heavier build up to his speed...should be a more effective blocker at his size.


Just looking at those clips on ESPN after the pick, he didn't look nearly as good as Ourlads' report. ok, now to read the thread and see what you guys said.
ColHowPepper  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 2:21 pm : link
He's a TE, not a WR.

Think of the way Kevin Boss or Ballard looked.
RE: I love that we're  
KeoweeFan : 4/27/2024 2:22 pm : link
In comment 16495358 mittenedman said:
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going back to a bunch of big slobberknockers at TE. Part of blocking is supplemental blocking - the TE's, WR's and RB's. And the Giants have been liabilities there for a long time. Years of Engram (and then Waller) as the starting TE.

It worked for them in 2022, too.


I call them "lunch pail" TEs; and you cant have too many of them!
I Wanted Him but  
Angus : 4/27/2024 2:23 pm : link
The last time they picked someone I wanted it was Lorenzo Carter and the big guard....Hernandez (?)and they didn't work out so well.
RE: I don’t see it with him  
ColHowPepper : 4/27/2024 2:24 pm : link
In comment 16494972 GiantsFan84 said:
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Good hands but not sudden or powerful or agile. I know he has a high RAS but it doesn’t show. Gives you nothing after the catch. Not a fan of this pick

...it doesn't show, same here. From Eric's (LIsl) McGinn:
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He’s a really clunky mover, a really unnatural route runner. He’s Canadian, so he’s raw. I thought he might go back to school. If somebody really wants one they might take him in the third but I don’t think he’s worth that.” From Windsor, Ontario.

PFF - Johnson brings plus size to the tight end position, ranking above the 70th percentile in height and weight. His long arms are an advantage when he is blocking edge rushers and hauling in passes. He has decent build-up and long speed when getting vertical up the seam, but he lacks the difference-making change-of-direction ability, which limits his route tree.

A project. Our QBs and TEs are worst in NFL.
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Angus : 4/27/2024 2:24 pm : link
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Penn stater here. He is not a blocker. He's actually quite poor there. That's why he started losing reps to Warren. Warren actually started becoming the better receiver of two as well. That said he's very athletic and has a ton of potential. Just don't expect him to be a mauler of a blocker. That's not his game



That's disappointing to hear. He's got the size and speed, and looks like good hands; hopefully he develops as a blocker too.


I think that was (is) the common Penn State wisdom, but he I also heard he improved toward the end of the year.
RE: RE: RE: Let me guess, great pick?  
ryanmkeane : 4/27/2024 2:25 pm : link
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Because it seems like most picks are considered good...until they start to play, as we've seen over and over again.

Deonte Banks - one of the best defensive rookies last year , Kayvon Thibodeaux, all rookie defense and then 11.5 sacks last season, Wan’Dale Robinson, Micah McFadden (5th round), Jalin Hyatt, Belton and Bellinger (both 4th round)……these picks ok for you?
RE: ColHowPepper  
Eric on Li : 4/27/2024 2:26 pm : link
In comment 16495422 Eric from BBI said:
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He's a TE, not a WR.

Think of the way Kevin Boss or Ballard looked.


Boss is my baseline expectation. Anything better I'll be happy, anything worse will be disappointing. I'd sign for a 500 yard / 5 td te who can block a bit like Boss.

RE: I know  
ColHowPepper : 4/27/2024 2:29 pm : link
In comment 16495033 Jon In NYC said:
Who dat? Two weeks late for the resurrection. How do?
RE: uncanny  
k2tampa : 4/27/2024 2:35 pm : link
In comment 16495113 WestCoastGFan said:
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He's a Darren Waller clone...


He isn't close to the quickness or suddeness of Waller, or speed.
Write ups I'm seeing say he's a good but not great blocker, especially for his size.
He's a good pick, but the poster who compared him to Kittle is dreaming.
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56goat : 4/27/2024 2:37 pm : link
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Penn stater here. He is not a blocker. He's actually quite poor there. That's why he started losing reps to Warren. Warren actually started becoming the better receiver of two as well. That said he's very athletic and has a ton of potential. Just don't expect him to be a mauler of a blocker. That's not his game



That's disappointing to hear. He's got the size and speed, and looks like good hands; hopefully he develops as a blocker too.



I think that was (is) the common Penn State wisdom, but he I also heard he improved toward the end of the year.


Agree with this assessment, Giants are gambling he can be developed. We'll see.
Agree  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/27/2024 2:44 pm : link
with the comment about the Giants feel there is a lot still to be developed. Welcome and good luck Theo.
RE: Banks  
k2tampa : 4/27/2024 2:47 pm : link
In comment 16495270 Eric from BBI said:
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the thing that sticks out to me with Johnson is his catch radius. He also is a vertical threat.


Confused by this because 33-inch arms on a guy who is 6-6 is short. If an OT had 33 inch arms we'd be saying he'd have to move inside because of short arms. For example, Pugh is 6-4 with 32 inch arms. I'm 6-3 and have 35 inch arms.
Eric + Eric, re. Boss (let alone Kittle)  
ColHowPepper : 4/27/2024 2:47 pm : link
Can't believe you serious students of this franchise see any parallel to Boss. Boss was long, lean, and way more supple than Johnson seems to be, based on the short clips I saw. Boss was not a big body, not thought of as a massive man/blocker. He ran smoothly, and to Eric Admin.'s point, way more like a WR than Theo.
Kittle? Kittle. What Kittle?
RE: Eric + Eric, re. Boss (let alone Kittle)  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 2:51 pm : link
In comment 16495521 ColHowPepper said:
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Can't believe you serious students of this franchise see any parallel to Boss. Boss was long, lean, and way more supple than Johnson seems to be, based on the short clips I saw. Boss was not a big body, not thought of as a massive man/blocker. He ran smoothly, and to Eric Admin.'s point, way more like a WR than Theo.
Kittle? Kittle. What Kittle?


Your impression of Boss' overall athleticism is way off. Johnson is actually a better vertical threat. You can see it on the tape. He's not sudden, but very few TEs are.

I'm not sure what you think an average receiving TE in the NFL looks like. We're not going to get Kelce in the 4th round.
and I didn't mention  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 2:51 pm : link
Kittle. Johnson did. You get that, right?
RE: RE: uncanny  
SomeFan : 4/27/2024 2:51 pm : link
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He's a Darren Waller clone...



He isn't close to the quickness or suddeness of Waller, or speed.
Write ups I'm seeing say he's a good but not great blocker, especially for his size.
He's a good pick, but the poster who compared him to Kittle is dreaming.
I just hope he's not a Derek Brown clone. Derek Brown is a former Giants first round TE pick with virtually identical size and considered a fantastic athlete for his size. Derek Brown's college stats are eerily similar to Theo's stats too.
RE: Eric + Eric, re. Boss (let alone Kittle)  
Eric on Li : 4/27/2024 2:52 pm : link
In comment 16495521 ColHowPepper said:
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Can't believe you serious students of this franchise see any parallel to Boss. Boss was long, lean, and way more supple than Johnson seems to be, based on the short clips I saw. Boss was not a big body, not thought of as a massive man/blocker. He ran smoothly, and to Eric Admin.'s point, way more like a WR than Theo.
Kittle? Kittle. What Kittle?


height, weight, arm length almost the same. i see both as very linear in their speed (not shifty or elusive route runners). effort blockers. biggest difference is boss was small school where johnson played high comp.

i heard a bit of draft on radio, jim nagy is on the broadcast with miller and kirwan he said Johnson was their best senior TE entering the season and the pick was a good marriage of value/need.
ever notice how big the eagles war room is  
bigbluewillrise : 4/27/2024 2:53 pm : link
do they have millions of scouts lol
He's  
Toth029 : 4/27/2024 2:53 pm : link
A guy who tested great athletically and worked with Shea Tierney at the Senior bowl. They're taking a chance, which is literally the entire concept of these day 3 picks. Most of them wash out. If he can become a #2 that would be great, and it's gravy if he can surpass Bellinger.
RE: RE: Banks  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 2:53 pm : link
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the thing that sticks out to me with Johnson is his catch radius. He also is a vertical threat.



Confused by this because 33-inch arms on a guy who is 6-6 is short. If an OT had 33 inch arms we'd be saying he'd have to move inside because of short arms. For example, Pugh is 6-4 with 32 inch arms. I'm 6-3 and have 35 inch arms.


Don't know what his arm length is, but he's every inch of that 6'6''... look at the highlights in the red zone. If the ball is near him, he comes down with it against smaller DBs. He's got soft hands.

His issue is going to be route running and blocking. He's green based on all of the reports. He may be a year or two away.
RE: RE: Banks  
Mike in NY : 4/27/2024 2:56 pm : link
In comment 16495518 k2tampa said:
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the thing that sticks out to me with Johnson is his catch radius. He also is a vertical threat.



Confused by this because 33-inch arms on a guy who is 6-6 is short. If an OT had 33 inch arms we'd be saying he'd have to move inside because of short arms. For example, Pugh is 6-4 with 32 inch arms. I'm 6-3 and have 35 inch arms.


Shirt arm length is measured from a different location than NFL arm length
RE: He's  
Eric on Li : 4/27/2024 2:57 pm : link
In comment 16495537 Toth029 said:
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A guy who tested great athletically and worked with Shea Tierney at the Senior bowl. They're taking a chance, which is literally the entire concept of these day 3 picks. Most of them wash out. If he can become a #2 that would be great, and it's gravy if he can surpass Bellinger.


him vs bellinger is a very fair prospect debate. probably better than my boss comp though i think play style for johnson is more like boss than bellinger.

i dont think we will ever be impressed with johnson on an end around like bellinger. both were high level athletes for TEs and fringe top 100 prospects picked right around where projected. i would sign for a 2nd bellinger as well.
Eagles  
Trainmaster : 4/27/2024 2:59 pm : link
Just took Jeremiah Trotter Jr, LB Clemson.

Good value for the Eagles. I hate them !!!
Johnson  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 3:01 pm : link
say hello...
https://twitter.com/Giants/status/1784283872563273987 - ( New Window )
The eagles have no salary cap  
DJ5150 : 4/27/2024 3:09 pm : link
And 16 picks every fucking year… draft was ruined for me several times
don't lose  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 3:11 pm : link
sight of the fact that Tierney had his hands on Johnson at the Senior Bowl.
Some Thoughts On Pick 166  
Trainmaster : 4/27/2024 3:14 pm : link
OG Christian Mahogany BC
DT Christian Jones Texas
DT Mekhi Wingo LSU
QB Michael Pratt Tulane
Edge Javon Solomon Troy
DT Leonard Taylor Ark
C Beaux Limmer TCU
RE: Some Thoughts On Pick 166  
SomeFan : 4/27/2024 3:21 pm : link
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OG Christian Mahogany BC
DT Christian Jones Texas
DT Mekhi Wingo LSU
QB Michael Pratt Tulane
Edge Javon Solomon Troy
DT Leonard Taylor Ark
C Beaux Limmer TCU


I'd add the ND RB to that list unless he's been drafted already.
RE: RE: RE: Banks  
k2tampa : 4/27/2024 3:32 pm : link
In comment 16495548 Mike in NY said:
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the thing that sticks out to me with Johnson is his catch radius. He also is a vertical threat.



Confused by this because 33-inch arms on a guy who is 6-6 is short. If an OT had 33 inch arms we'd be saying he'd have to move inside because of short arms. For example, Pugh is 6-4 with 32 inch arms. I'm 6-3 and have 35 inch arms.



Shirt arm length is measured from a different location than NFL arm length


So Pugh wasn't measured by the NFL people at the combine? 33 is not long for a guy who is 6-6.
Jordan Travis to Jets  
jvm52106 : 4/27/2024 3:50 pm : link
Not a bad place for him to go to and study under a HOF.
RE: Banks  
Banks : 4/27/2024 3:51 pm : link
In comment 16495270 Eric from BBI said:
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the thing that sticks out to me with Johnson is his catch radius. He also is a vertical threat.

Sorry for the delay. Was painting outside before it rained while blasting the draft on my phone. He's definitely a threat deep. He's also fantastic in the red zone. Might be the only guy on the roster that can grab a fade.

He has all the tools to be great. He just needs a bit more consistency. Don't get me wrong, most Penn staters loved him. I still do too. It's just that you watch all the things he can do and then he'd drop a routine ball. He works that out and we have a great player
Every year  
darren in pdx : 4/27/2024 3:57 pm : link
the hang wringing over day 3 picks that aren't perfect prospects..
RE: I LOVE  
2ndroundKO : 4/27/2024 4:26 pm : link
In comment 16495024 Breeze_94 said:
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This pick. He might start out of the gate. Traits are off the charts and TE is a position where traits work.

His film is good too, he just wasn’t utilized much at PSU.

This. And I love the upside.
If he gives the QB time to throw to Nabers and Hyatt, anything else  
Marty in Albany : 4/27/2024 4:45 pm : link
he can do is icing on the cake.
RE: RE: RE: Good bye  
4xchamps : 4/27/2024 8:32 pm : link
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Mr. Waller.



& good riddance.



Addition by subtraction.


LOL Why the hate for Waller?
RE: Johnson  
Del Shofner : 4/27/2024 9:21 pm : link
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say hello... https://twitter.com/Giants/status/1784283872563273987 - ( New Window )


Seems likable. That other video about growing up with abuse was insightful if tough to hear about in some places. He looks like a good 4th round pick to me. I actually don't really see a close comparison to former Giant TEs, he kind of has his own style. But 4th round - wasn't Bavaro 4th round also?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Banks  
k2tampa : 4/27/2024 10:44 pm : link
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the thing that sticks out to me with Johnson is his catch radius. He also is a vertical threat.



Confused by this because 33-inch arms on a guy who is 6-6 is short. If an OT had 33 inch arms we'd be saying he'd have to move inside because of short arms. For example, Pugh is 6-4 with 32 inch arms. I'm 6-3 and have 35 inch arms.



Shirt arm length is measured from a different location than NFL arm length



So Pugh wasn't measured by the NFL people at the combine? 33 is not long for a guy who is 6-6.


For a comparison they just invited Quae Drake, a LB, to Minicamp. He is 6-1 with 33 inch arms.
I like this pick  
Chris L. : 4/28/2024 8:14 am : link
the kid has size to be a good supplemental blocker. I was very down on the pick when I read a report he couldn't block. The tape doesn't seem to show that. I saw some nice blocks from the kid both at the line of scrimage and down field. Also, the skills are obviously there to become a receiving threat as time goes on. Also, the circumstances he was in are unusual. Three other NFL caliber TE prospects also on the rosters he was on and lousy QB play to boot. I like that they met with him and did lots of work on him. To me if the kid really wants it he can become a nice player. I am sure they tried to answer that question in the meetings with him.
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