4. THEO JOHNSON, Penn State (6-6, 261, 4.62, 3-4): Helped himself at the combine with a solid 40, a 39 ½-inch vertical jump and a position-best short shuttle of 4.19. “I’d rather take a shot on him than Sanders,” one scout said. “He’s on the upside. He’s got assertiveness with his blocking but he’s not consistent with his blocking. He can make hard, adjusting catches but he can’t run after the catch. He doesn’t make people miss in space.” Started 29 of 45 games over four years, finishing with 77 receptions for 938 (12.2) and 12 TDs. “He’s a little bit intriguing,” said another scout. “He’s a big guy. He’s fast. He’ll give you effort as a blocker. He’s much improved in that area. He’s got ball skills. He’s a really clunky mover, a really unnatural route runner. He’s Canadian, so he’s raw. I thought he might go back to school. If somebody really wants one they might take him in the third but I don’t think he’s worth that.” From Windsor, Ontario.
PFF - Johnson brings plus size to the tight end position, ranking above the 70th percentile in height and weight. His long arms are an advantage when he is blocking edge rushers and hauling in passes. He has decent build-up and long speed when getting vertical up the seam, but he lacks the difference-making change-of-direction ability, which limits his route tree.
He makes his money from an inline spot as a versatile blocker and pass catcher in heavier formations. He is a strong blocker when he targets defenders between the shoulders, but he can sometimes get crossed up (another area where his limited lateral ability shows).
Good hands but not sudden or powerful or agile. I know he has a high RAS but it doesn’t show. Gives you nothing after the catch. Not a fan of this pick
Johnson possesses the position versatility to be used in multiple personnel groups and schemes because of his ability to play attached and detached, especially in the slot and use in the red zone as matchup problem for opposing defenses. His ability to block allows him to be to be either a primary TE or secondary TE in multiple TE sets.
Very good blocker who plays under control with good technique at the point of attack while possessing the athleticism and movement skills to stay engaged. Big frame and catch radius allow him to make catches in traffic or over the middle of the field.
He is a long strider with deceptive vertical speed to allow him to attack the seams. He struggles to redirect laterally as a route runner due to his upright playing style limiting his separation out of sharper in and out-breaking routes. He has a good feel for defensive coverage schemes and finding voids when running his routes, especially over the middle down the seams.
Overall, Johnson is an all-around TE with noticeable upside potential, who has the ability to contribute as a run blocker and as a versatile pass catcher who can make plays from attached or detached alignment. Johnson can be a Year 1 contributor in multiple TE sets and eventually develop into a solid No. 1 TE. Full Report - ( New Window )
Highlighted Theo before the pick with his Next Gen stats before the pick was announced. They said they were going to look at Cedric Gray highlights. A bit of a mishap.
reminds me a lot of kevin boss (raw but good size/athlete)
i dont love the pick but i think like boss he can be a contributing TE.
"A three-year starter at Penn State, Johnson was a versatile tight end in former offensive coordinator Mike Yurcich’s RPO-based scheme, splitting his time
between inline (47.9 percent), slot (38.8 percent) and wide (9.8 percent).
A wide receiver in high school in Canada, he faced a steep transition moving to tight end at State College and didn’t have a 100-yard receiving performance in 45 college games (and reached 75 yards just once). But his production steadily climbed each season, and he led the Nittany Lions in touchdown grabs in 2023.
Johnson is quick off the ball and builds his speed downfield, giving his quarterback a big tar get with his size, strong hands and athletic catch radius. As a blocker, he doesn’t embarrass himself but needs to better understand leverage and develop more of a glass-chewing mentality.
Overall, Johnson has inconsistent college tape and production, but he has A-plus measurements and smooth athletic tools that could allow him to continue developing and become a better pro than college player. Although he is a work in progress, he is a worthy long-term investment for an NFL team."
Johnson possesses the position versatility to be used in multiple personnel groups and schemes because of his ability to play attached and detached, especially in the slot and use in the red zone as matchup problem for opposing defenses. His ability to block allows him to be to be either a primary TE or secondary TE in multiple TE sets.
Very good blocker who plays under control with good technique at the point of attack while possessing the athleticism and movement skills to stay engaged. Big frame and catch radius allow him to make catches in traffic or over the middle of the field.
He is a long strider with deceptive vertical speed to allow him to attack the seams. He struggles to redirect laterally as a route runner due to his upright playing style limiting his separation out of sharper in and out-breaking routes. He has a good feel for defensive coverage schemes and finding voids when running his routes, especially over the middle down the seams.
Overall, Johnson is an all-around TE with noticeable upside potential, who has the ability to contribute as a run blocker and as a versatile pass catcher who can make plays from attached or detached alignment. Johnson can be a Year 1 contributor in multiple TE sets and eventually develop into a solid No. 1 TE. Full Report - ( New Window )
sounds very boss-y to me. another solid single/double but i think i may have swung for the fences (dorlus or wright).
The Waller trade because I watched a lot of Raiders games and the dude was always injured must know that he plans to retire must be waiting for a certain pay off date to be reached.
The Waller trade because I watched a lot of Raiders games and the dude was always injured must know that he plans to retire must be waiting for a certain pay off date to be reached.
The Waller trade because I watched a lot of Raiders games and the dude was always injured must know that he plans to retire must be waiting for a certain pay off date to be reached.
blocker. Straight line runner only with good speed down the seam. Limited lateral agility. Slow in and out of routes and cuts, probably because of his size. Big target.
Three-year starter. All-Big Ten in 2023. Johnson has the prototype body merged with soft hands and quick feet to pose as a potential starting tight end in the league. He has shown flashes of being a matchup nightmare for both linebackers and defensive backs. The catch radius and sheer weight he can play should help with some of the short area movement issues he shows as a route runner and ball carrier to have at least a quality backup outlook. The athletic upside he possesses leaves the door open to a bigger role. He brings a rare blend of size and speed to the table that coaches will want a crack at developing. Johnson needs to clean up some of the fine points of the position to reach his ceiling, but the floor with him is high to feel safe about hm providing solid rotational play, at least.
*I’ll say this right now. Johnson has the ceiling to be the top tight end in this class (including Bowers). That fact alone leads me to believe he should be graded a bit higher. But the number is the number. He has several flashes on tape combined with a historic blend of size, explosion, and speed. At this time, however, he is a better athlete than he is a football player. I felt that way after watching tape and when I saw him in person at the Senior Bowl. It looks like he is still learning his body and simply lacks some important coordination and football reaction speed. Worth the gamble because he could change an offense. Maybe a similar trajectory we have seen with Cole Kmet with the Bears.
NFL Comparison: Cole Kmet / CHI
I’m more and more of the opinion that a TE’s blocking
Skills are their most vital attribute. Johnson is huge and apparently blocks well. If he doesn’t drop passes much, I don’t care if he isn’t quick twitch. Good pick.
David Syvertsen
@Ourlads_Sy
107) NYG: Theo Johnson: TE/Penn State
Top available TE for a team that appears ready to move on from Darren Waller. One of the most impressive physical specimens you will ever find at the position. Did something every film I watched that raised the eyebrows. Long strider that is an absolute matchup nightmare. High ceiling.
Has he officially retired? I just googled it, and all I found was an article yesterday where he said he was "an inch closer to making a decision."
A couple of people had it on twitter yesterday, but they aren't like top guys to call that. The thing is if he retires we can ask for some money back. If we cut him then we get nothing.
I really like Johnson's upside. Really good-looking athlete and he's physical.
It's too bad he was playing with Kent Graham, Jr at QB - Drew Allar. Allar could be standing on a beach right now and struggle throw the ball into the ocean. That makes it hard to evaluate, IMV, how productive TJ would have bee in the passing game.
I really like Johnson's upside. Really good-looking athlete and he's physical.
It's too bad he was playing with Kent Graham, Jr at QB - Drew Allar. Allar could be standing on a beach right now and struggle throw the ball into the ocean. That makes it hard to evaluate, IMV, how productive TJ would have bee in the passing game.
Good hands but not sudden or powerful or agile. I know he has a high RAS but it doesn’t show. Gives you nothing after the catch. Not a fan of this pick
interested in seeing what Daboll can get out of him.
with Nabers, Hyatt, Robinson, Slayton, and now Theo Johnson. maybe add some speed at RB and if the OL doesn't fail again could be pretty tough to defend
feels weird. maybe Johnson was their top ranked player, but it's unlikely imo
need/panic + comfy with him after the 30 meet over a better proven football player seems extreme with Schoen pick after pick, no?
You think after having all night to contemplate their pick this morning that Schoen panicked? I don’t think so. Why is drafting for need on a team with so many holes a bad thing? These are positions that desperately need attention. Get over it.
but there are a good number of physical specimen guys with great measurables that are not good football players.
More production in college should have been there.
He only started this year, not a 3 year starter as one scouting report said. He played behind Brenton Strange (2023 2nd round pick) the last few years and the other TE Tyler Warren will be a Day 2 pick next year. Definitely not a polished player (I like Warren better), but the lack of production doesn’t scare me that much.
Theo was timed while doing drills at the combine and he timed at an amazing 23 MPH.
That is crazy fast. Link - ( New Window )
My nephew is at PennState so I watched a bunch of games this year. Theo I really is surprisingly fast. Their passing offense was not much so perhaps some of his lack of development and stats are due to that.
The talent to need ratio in this draft has aligned very nicely. Silver lining to needing help at a lot of positons.
Interior DT/Big DE with pass rushing skills remains
Penn stater here. He is not a blocker. He's actually quite poor there. That's why he started losing reps to Warren. Warren actually started becoming the better receiver of two as well. That said he's very athletic and has a ton of potential. Just don't expect him to be a mauler of a blocker. That's not his game
Penn stater here. He is not a blocker. He's actually quite poor there. That's why he started losing reps to Warren. Warren actually started becoming the better receiver of two as well. That said he's very athletic and has a ton of potential. Just don't expect him to be a mauler of a blocker. That's not his game
That's disappointing to hear. He's got the size and speed, and looks like good hands; hopefully he develops as a blocker too.
Penn stater here. He is not a blocker. He's actually quite poor there. That's why he started losing reps to Warren. Warren actually started becoming the better receiver of two as well. That said he's very athletic and has a ton of potential. Just don't expect him to be a mauler of a blocker. That's not his game
That's disappointing to hear. He's got the size and speed, and looks like good hands; hopefully he develops as a blocker too.
This is absolutley different then what other evaluators are saying.
STRENGTHS: Good-looking athlete with ideal size/speed measurements for the position … smooth mover with fluid control of his body as a route runner and at the catch point (best short shuttle among tight ends at the combine) … flashes the acceleration to gain a step of separation on runway routes … snares the ball well in stride and quickly secures it to protect the catch … has no problem expanding his catch radius to climb the ladder and adjust to inaccurate passes … looks comfortable securing grabs in traffic … shows his quickness on cutoff blocks and made steady strides with his run blocking … awarded Penn State’s “Iron Lion” Award for strength and conditioning as a senior (NFL scout: “I know (Pat) Freiermuth influenced him a lot when he got there and showed him what it takes to play big-boy football.”) … was a regular on punt- and kick-return coverage as a senior (243 career snaps) … experienced across the formation.
WEAKNESSES: Runs predictable routes and gives tells to defenders on his intended path … has the balance to make the first man miss, just doesn’t do it enough (only two catches of 25-plus yards in 2023) … needs to show better snap through his hips, both as a route runner and blocker … tends to overextend himself as a blocker and needs to improve his base and positioning to control the point of attack … committed five penalties in 2023 (three false starts, one pass interference, one unsportsmanlike conduct) … below-average career production (fewer than 1,000 career receiving yards … off-field vetting will be key, as he was charged with two misdemeanors (one for simple assault, one for criminal mischief), stemming from a February 2023 incident at a fraternity house (Johnson was ordered to complete a
six-month, pre-trial intervention program for first-time offenders).
SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Penn State, Johnson was a versatile tight end in former offensive coordinator Mike Yurcich’s RPO-based scheme, splitting his time between inline (47.9 percent), slot (38.8 percent) and wide (9.8 percent). A wide receiver in high school in Canada, he faced a steep transition moving to tight end at State College and didn’t have a 100-yard receiving performance in 45 college games (and reached 75 yards just once). But his production steadily climbed each season, and he led the Nittany Lions in touchdown grabs in 2023. Johnson is quick off the ball and builds his speed downfield, giving his quarterback a big target with his size, strong hands and athletic catch radius. As a blocker, he doesn’t embarrass himself but needs to better understand leverage and develop more of a glass
chewing mentality. Overall, Johnson has inconsistent college tape and production, but he has A-plus measurements and smooth athletic tools that could allow him to continue developing and become a better pro than college player. Although he is a work in progress, he is a worthy long-term investment for an NFL team.
he's an elite athlete. He can catch the ball. Hard worker and has the size so I'm expecting him to work on his blocking.
How can you not like this pick?
And - he'll be in the TE room with Manhertz and Stoll.
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
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Theo Johnson said he can become a tight end that you can’t take off the field. When it’s all said and done, he wants to become a dominant blocker through more work and attention to detail at the NFL level.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Theo Johnson said he didn't actually visit the Giants, but he had a great experience with Shea Tierney, who was his team's OC at the Senior Bowl. He also knows Daboll's son, Christian, who was a student assistant at Penn State and is now a Giants offensive assistant.
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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Theo Johnson spent the week at the Senior Bowl getting close with Giants pass game coordinator/QB coach Shea Tierney, who was his OC in Mobile.
Johnson very complimentary of Shea, and says after that he was hoping for NYG in draft.
Penn stater here. He is not a blocker. He's actually quite poor there. That's why he started losing reps to Warren. Warren actually started becoming the better receiver of two as well. That said he's very athletic and has a ton of potential. Just don't expect him to be a mauler of a blocker. That's not his game
That is concerning particularly the pass catching as that is where I would have thought he'd be super dominant in college.
made above, Schoen has to be careful about these top 30 visit lists moving forward...I pulled the 30 visit thread this morning to see who they would select and sure enough, right on the money.
Johnson is a nice pick and I am still very high on Bellinger too. Adding in Stoll earlier this offseason and now this unit is coming into shape with some versatile guys in a lot of different formations.
That is concerning particularly the pass catching as that is where I would have thought he'd be super dominant in college.
Well, the line stinks, the qb has been underwhelming even though he's a five star, and then you have Warren there. He's fine as a receiver. Warren just has little better hands. He isn't the athlete johnson is though. In the pros I see Warren as more of a safety valve whereas Johnson can be a threat
going back to a bunch of big slobberknockers at TE. Part of blocking is supplemental blocking - the TE's, WR's and RB's. And the Giants have been liabilities there for a long time. Years of Engram (and then Waller) as the starting TE.
going back to a bunch of big slobberknockers at TE. Part of blocking is supplemental blocking - the TE's, WR's and RB's. And the Giants have been liabilities there for a long time. Years of Engram (and then Waller) as the starting TE.
It worked for them in 2022, too.
The FA signings were the blockers. This isn't that kind of guy. He's more a receiving threat to replace Waller.
I figured this is Adrien Robinson but worse: he looked so slow and almost club footed on his routes, said to myself, shxt, Schoen is drafting for pure need, awful. Got back just now and read Ourlads writeup (thanks, Sy') and not as bad as I he looked, but it does say this:
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catch radius and sheer weight he can play should help with some of the short area movement issues he shows as a route runner...Checks all ...boxes when he walks off the bus [ha!]...Has some slower,, heavier build up to his speed...should be a more effective blocker at his size.
Just looking at those clips on ESPN after the pick, he didn't look nearly as good as Ourlads' report. ok, now to read the thread and see what you guys said.
going back to a bunch of big slobberknockers at TE. Part of blocking is supplemental blocking - the TE's, WR's and RB's. And the Giants have been liabilities there for a long time. Years of Engram (and then Waller) as the starting TE.
It worked for them in 2022, too.
I call them "lunch pail" TEs; and you cant have too many of them!
Good hands but not sudden or powerful or agile. I know he has a high RAS but it doesn’t show. Gives you nothing after the catch. Not a fan of this pick
...it doesn't show, same here. From Eric's (LIsl) McGinn:
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He’s a really clunky mover, a really unnatural route runner. He’s Canadian, so he’s raw. I thought he might go back to school. If somebody really wants one they might take him in the third but I don’t think he’s worth that.” From Windsor, Ontario.
PFF - Johnson brings plus size to the tight end position, ranking above the 70th percentile in height and weight. His long arms are an advantage when he is blocking edge rushers and hauling in passes. He has decent build-up and long speed when getting vertical up the seam, but he lacks the difference-making change-of-direction ability, which limits his route tree.
Penn stater here. He is not a blocker. He's actually quite poor there. That's why he started losing reps to Warren. Warren actually started becoming the better receiver of two as well. That said he's very athletic and has a ton of potential. Just don't expect him to be a mauler of a blocker. That's not his game
That's disappointing to hear. He's got the size and speed, and looks like good hands; hopefully he develops as a blocker too.
I think that was (is) the common Penn State wisdom, but he I also heard he improved toward the end of the year.
Because it seems like most picks are considered good...until they start to play, as we've seen over and over again.
Deonte Banks - one of the best defensive rookies last year , Kayvon Thibodeaux, all rookie defense and then 11.5 sacks last season, Wan’Dale Robinson, Micah McFadden (5th round), Jalin Hyatt, Belton and Bellinger (both 4th round)……these picks ok for you?
Boss is my baseline expectation. Anything better I'll be happy, anything worse will be disappointing. I'd sign for a 500 yard / 5 td te who can block a bit like Boss.
He isn't close to the quickness or suddeness of Waller, or speed.
Write ups I'm seeing say he's a good but not great blocker, especially for his size.
He's a good pick, but the poster who compared him to Kittle is dreaming.
Penn stater here. He is not a blocker. He's actually quite poor there. That's why he started losing reps to Warren. Warren actually started becoming the better receiver of two as well. That said he's very athletic and has a ton of potential. Just don't expect him to be a mauler of a blocker. That's not his game
That's disappointing to hear. He's got the size and speed, and looks like good hands; hopefully he develops as a blocker too.
I think that was (is) the common Penn State wisdom, but he I also heard he improved toward the end of the year.
Agree with this assessment, Giants are gambling he can be developed. We'll see.
the thing that sticks out to me with Johnson is his catch radius. He also is a vertical threat.
Confused by this because 33-inch arms on a guy who is 6-6 is short. If an OT had 33 inch arms we'd be saying he'd have to move inside because of short arms. For example, Pugh is 6-4 with 32 inch arms. I'm 6-3 and have 35 inch arms.
Can't believe you serious students of this franchise see any parallel to Boss. Boss was long, lean, and way more supple than Johnson seems to be, based on the short clips I saw. Boss was not a big body, not thought of as a massive man/blocker. He ran smoothly, and to Eric Admin.'s point, way more like a WR than Theo.
Kittle? Kittle. What Kittle?
Can't believe you serious students of this franchise see any parallel to Boss. Boss was long, lean, and way more supple than Johnson seems to be, based on the short clips I saw. Boss was not a big body, not thought of as a massive man/blocker. He ran smoothly, and to Eric Admin.'s point, way more like a WR than Theo.
Kittle? Kittle. What Kittle?
Your impression of Boss' overall athleticism is way off. Johnson is actually a better vertical threat. You can see it on the tape. He's not sudden, but very few TEs are.
I'm not sure what you think an average receiving TE in the NFL looks like. We're not going to get Kelce in the 4th round.
He isn't close to the quickness or suddeness of Waller, or speed.
Write ups I'm seeing say he's a good but not great blocker, especially for his size.
He's a good pick, but the poster who compared him to Kittle is dreaming.
I just hope he's not a Derek Brown clone. Derek Brown is a former Giants first round TE pick with virtually identical size and considered a fantastic athlete for his size. Derek Brown's college stats are eerily similar to Theo's stats too.
Can't believe you serious students of this franchise see any parallel to Boss. Boss was long, lean, and way more supple than Johnson seems to be, based on the short clips I saw. Boss was not a big body, not thought of as a massive man/blocker. He ran smoothly, and to Eric Admin.'s point, way more like a WR than Theo.
Kittle? Kittle. What Kittle?
height, weight, arm length almost the same. i see both as very linear in their speed (not shifty or elusive route runners). effort blockers. biggest difference is boss was small school where johnson played high comp.
i heard a bit of draft on radio, jim nagy is on the broadcast with miller and kirwan he said Johnson was their best senior TE entering the season and the pick was a good marriage of value/need.
A guy who tested great athletically and worked with Shea Tierney at the Senior bowl. They're taking a chance, which is literally the entire concept of these day 3 picks. Most of them wash out. If he can become a #2 that would be great, and it's gravy if he can surpass Bellinger.
the thing that sticks out to me with Johnson is his catch radius. He also is a vertical threat.
Confused by this because 33-inch arms on a guy who is 6-6 is short. If an OT had 33 inch arms we'd be saying he'd have to move inside because of short arms. For example, Pugh is 6-4 with 32 inch arms. I'm 6-3 and have 35 inch arms.
Don't know what his arm length is, but he's every inch of that 6'6''... look at the highlights in the red zone. If the ball is near him, he comes down with it against smaller DBs. He's got soft hands.
His issue is going to be route running and blocking. He's green based on all of the reports. He may be a year or two away.
the thing that sticks out to me with Johnson is his catch radius. He also is a vertical threat.
Confused by this because 33-inch arms on a guy who is 6-6 is short. If an OT had 33 inch arms we'd be saying he'd have to move inside because of short arms. For example, Pugh is 6-4 with 32 inch arms. I'm 6-3 and have 35 inch arms.
Shirt arm length is measured from a different location than NFL arm length
A guy who tested great athletically and worked with Shea Tierney at the Senior bowl. They're taking a chance, which is literally the entire concept of these day 3 picks. Most of them wash out. If he can become a #2 that would be great, and it's gravy if he can surpass Bellinger.
him vs bellinger is a very fair prospect debate. probably better than my boss comp though i think play style for johnson is more like boss than bellinger.
i dont think we will ever be impressed with johnson on an end around like bellinger. both were high level athletes for TEs and fringe top 100 prospects picked right around where projected. i would sign for a 2nd bellinger as well.
OG Christian Mahogany BC
DT Christian Jones Texas
DT Mekhi Wingo LSU
QB Michael Pratt Tulane
Edge Javon Solomon Troy
DT Leonard Taylor Ark
C Beaux Limmer TCU
OG Christian Mahogany BC
DT Christian Jones Texas
DT Mekhi Wingo LSU
QB Michael Pratt Tulane
Edge Javon Solomon Troy
DT Leonard Taylor Ark
C Beaux Limmer TCU
I'd add the ND RB to that list unless he's been drafted already.
the thing that sticks out to me with Johnson is his catch radius. He also is a vertical threat.
Confused by this because 33-inch arms on a guy who is 6-6 is short. If an OT had 33 inch arms we'd be saying he'd have to move inside because of short arms. For example, Pugh is 6-4 with 32 inch arms. I'm 6-3 and have 35 inch arms.
Shirt arm length is measured from a different location than NFL arm length
So Pugh wasn't measured by the NFL people at the combine? 33 is not long for a guy who is 6-6.
the thing that sticks out to me with Johnson is his catch radius. He also is a vertical threat.
Sorry for the delay. Was painting outside before it rained while blasting the draft on my phone. He's definitely a threat deep. He's also fantastic in the red zone. Might be the only guy on the roster that can grab a fade.
He has all the tools to be great. He just needs a bit more consistency. Don't get me wrong, most Penn staters loved him. I still do too. It's just that you watch all the things he can do and then he'd drop a routine ball. He works that out and we have a great player
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Seems likable. That other video about growing up with abuse was insightful if tough to hear about in some places. He looks like a good 4th round pick to me. I actually don't really see a close comparison to former Giant TEs, he kind of has his own style. But 4th round - wasn't Bavaro 4th round also?
the thing that sticks out to me with Johnson is his catch radius. He also is a vertical threat.
Confused by this because 33-inch arms on a guy who is 6-6 is short. If an OT had 33 inch arms we'd be saying he'd have to move inside because of short arms. For example, Pugh is 6-4 with 32 inch arms. I'm 6-3 and have 35 inch arms.
Shirt arm length is measured from a different location than NFL arm length
So Pugh wasn't measured by the NFL people at the combine? 33 is not long for a guy who is 6-6.
For a comparison they just invited Quae Drake, a LB, to Minicamp. He is 6-1 with 33 inch arms.
the kid has size to be a good supplemental blocker. I was very down on the pick when I read a report he couldn't block. The tape doesn't seem to show that. I saw some nice blocks from the kid both at the line of scrimage and down field. Also, the skills are obviously there to become a receiving threat as time goes on. Also, the circumstances he was in are unusual. Three other NFL caliber TE prospects also on the rosters he was on and lousy QB play to boot. I like that they met with him and did lots of work on him. To me if the kid really wants it he can become a nice player. I am sure they tried to answer that question in the meetings with him.
It's incredible. They have to start being careful about this moving forward.
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maybe we should go back to calling them top 30?
It's incredible. They have to start being careful about this moving forward.
id rather this then toney/baker stuff where we dont even know anything about them. seems like a worthy tradeoff.
& good riddance.
4. THEO JOHNSON, Penn State (6-6, 261, 4.62, 3-4): Helped himself at the combine with a solid 40, a 39 ½-inch vertical jump and a position-best short shuttle of 4.19. “I’d rather take a shot on him than Sanders,” one scout said. “He’s on the upside. He’s got assertiveness with his blocking but he’s not consistent with his blocking. He can make hard, adjusting catches but he can’t run after the catch. He doesn’t make people miss in space.” Started 29 of 45 games over four years, finishing with 77 receptions for 938 (12.2) and 12 TDs. “He’s a little bit intriguing,” said another scout. “He’s a big guy. He’s fast. He’ll give you effort as a blocker. He’s much improved in that area. He’s got ball skills. He’s a really clunky mover, a really unnatural route runner. He’s Canadian, so he’s raw. I thought he might go back to school. If somebody really wants one they might take him in the third but I don’t think he’s worth that.” From Windsor, Ontario.
PFF - Johnson brings plus size to the tight end position, ranking above the 70th percentile in height and weight. His long arms are an advantage when he is blocking edge rushers and hauling in passes. He has decent build-up and long speed when getting vertical up the seam, but he lacks the difference-making change-of-direction ability, which limits his route tree.
He makes his money from an inline spot as a versatile blocker and pass catcher in heavier formations. He is a strong blocker when he targets defenders between the shoulders, but he can sometimes get crossed up (another area where his limited lateral ability shows).
Maybe this year, more of them had positive visits and the way the draft and board fell just worked out to 100% instead of 50%
Looked at your Mock Draft
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maybe we should go back to calling them top 30?
It's incredible. They have to start being careful about this moving forward.
How does it compare to other teams? Unless they are an outlier with their drafting then I don’t see how this is an issue.
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Looked at your Mock Draft
Very good blocker who plays under control with good technique at the point of attack while possessing the athleticism and movement skills to stay engaged. Big frame and catch radius allow him to make catches in traffic or over the middle of the field.
He is a long strider with deceptive vertical speed to allow him to attack the seams. He struggles to redirect laterally as a route runner due to his upright playing style limiting his separation out of sharper in and out-breaking routes. He has a good feel for defensive coverage schemes and finding voids when running his routes, especially over the middle down the seams.
Overall, Johnson is an all-around TE with noticeable upside potential, who has the ability to contribute as a run blocker and as a versatile pass catcher who can make plays from attached or detached alignment. Johnson can be a Year 1 contributor in multiple TE sets and eventually develop into a solid No. 1 TE.
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maybe we should go back to calling them top 30?
It's incredible. They have to start being careful about this moving forward.
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Mr. Waller.
& good riddance.
Addition by subtraction.
"A three-year starter at Penn State, Johnson was a versatile tight end in former offensive coordinator Mike Yurcich’s RPO-based scheme, splitting his time
between inline (47.9 percent), slot (38.8 percent) and wide (9.8 percent).
A wide receiver in high school in Canada, he faced a steep transition moving to tight end at State College and didn’t have a 100-yard receiving performance in 45 college games (and reached 75 yards just once). But his production steadily climbed each season, and he led the Nittany Lions in touchdown grabs in 2023.
Johnson is quick off the ball and builds his speed downfield, giving his quarterback a big tar get with his size, strong hands and athletic catch radius. As a blocker, he doesn’t embarrass himself but needs to better understand leverage and develop more of a glass-chewing mentality.
Overall, Johnson has inconsistent college tape and production, but he has A-plus measurements and smooth athletic tools that could allow him to continue developing and become a better pro than college player. Although he is a work in progress, he is a worthy long-term investment for an NFL team."
Maybe something to do with the delay and where people live?
That’s pretty ridiculous. Hitting a top 10 pick guess is one thing, hitting multiples in the 70s and 100s is pretty nuts.
Why, is Johnson known for being soft?
This will round out our offensive weapons and provide a two way threat at tight end.
You do know this is the 4th round, right?
Very good blocker who plays under control with good technique at the point of attack while possessing the athleticism and movement skills to stay engaged. Big frame and catch radius allow him to make catches in traffic or over the middle of the field.
He is a long strider with deceptive vertical speed to allow him to attack the seams. He struggles to redirect laterally as a route runner due to his upright playing style limiting his separation out of sharper in and out-breaking routes. He has a good feel for defensive coverage schemes and finding voids when running his routes, especially over the middle down the seams.
Overall, Johnson is an all-around TE with noticeable upside potential, who has the ability to contribute as a run blocker and as a versatile pass catcher who can make plays from attached or detached alignment. Johnson can be a Year 1 contributor in multiple TE sets and eventually develop into a solid No. 1 TE. Full Report - ( New Window )
sounds very boss-y to me. another solid single/double but i think i may have swung for the fences (dorlus or wright).
It feels NOTHING like Derek Brown. We took that loser in the first round.
They just selected this guy at 107. Not sure the point you’re trying to make has any merit.
What can we do with that cash?
Lots of better players on the board. The Giants suck and haven't hit on one of these "upside" picks... Ever?
His film is good too, he just wasn’t utilized much at PSU.
Bellinger was still better than people realize last year.
caught 25 of 28 targets his way. just 3 incompletions when the ball was thrown to him.
with waller he got a more grunt work role that i dont think suited him great.
More production in college should have been there.
Darren "Ow! My hamstring!" Waller
And it’s not Johnson’s fault he had Franklin as a coach.
wrong thread hahaha... The potential is there for a big time player with Johnson. He has what you can't teach... now lets teach him what we can.
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The Waller trade because I watched a lot of Raiders games and the dude was always injured must know that he plans to retire must be waiting for a certain pay off date to be reached.
Darren "Ow! My hamstring!" Waller
Dumb fucking comment.
More production in college should have been there.
He played for Franklin
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pick. Replacement for Waller and insurance in case Bellinger doesn't bounce back from a down year last season.
Bellinger was still better than people realize last year.
caught 25 of 28 targets his way. just 3 incompletions when the ball was thrown to him.
with waller he got a more grunt work role that i dont think suited him great.
That's true.
TE room with Bellinger, Johnson, Stoll, manhertz and Cager.
I'd expect Belly, Theo and Stoll/Manhert to be the guys and the fourth as PS.
Grade: 78
Three-year starter. All-Big Ten in 2023. Johnson has the prototype body merged with soft hands and quick feet to pose as a potential starting tight end in the league. He has shown flashes of being a matchup nightmare for both linebackers and defensive backs. The catch radius and sheer weight he can play should help with some of the short area movement issues he shows as a route runner and ball carrier to have at least a quality backup outlook. The athletic upside he possesses leaves the door open to a bigger role. He brings a rare blend of size and speed to the table that coaches will want a crack at developing. Johnson needs to clean up some of the fine points of the position to reach his ceiling, but the floor with him is high to feel safe about hm providing solid rotational play, at least.
*I’ll say this right now. Johnson has the ceiling to be the top tight end in this class (including Bowers). That fact alone leads me to believe he should be graded a bit higher. But the number is the number. He has several flashes on tape combined with a historic blend of size, explosion, and speed. At this time, however, he is a better athlete than he is a football player. I felt that way after watching tape and when I saw him in person at the Senior Bowl. It looks like he is still learning his body and simply lacks some important coordination and football reaction speed. Worth the gamble because he could change an offense. Maybe a similar trajectory we have seen with Cole Kmet with the Bears.
NFL Comparison: Cole Kmet / CHI
@Ourlads_Sy
107) NYG: Theo Johnson: TE/Penn State
Top available TE for a team that appears ready to move on from Darren Waller. One of the most impressive physical specimens you will ever find at the position. Did something every film I watched that raised the eyebrows. Long strider that is an absolute matchup nightmare. High ceiling.
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maybe we should go back to calling them top 30?
It's incredible. They have to start being careful about this moving forward.
+1
Xref positions/players at different ranking spots.
A couple of people had it on twitter yesterday, but they aren't like top guys to call that. The thing is if he retires we can ask for some money back. If we cut him then we get nothing.
It's too bad he was playing with Kent Graham, Jr at QB - Drew Allar. Allar could be standing on a beach right now and struggle throw the ball into the ocean. That makes it hard to evaluate, IMV, how productive TJ would have bee in the passing game.
That is crazy fast.
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If we can land Estime with the next pick that would be 5 for 5
This will round out our offensive weapons and provide a two way threat at tight end.
Seeing he hasn’t caught many passes, why did you like him so much?
It's too bad he was playing with Kent Graham, Jr at QB - Drew Allar. Allar could be standing on a beach right now and struggle throw the ball into the ocean. That makes it hard to evaluate, IMV, how productive TJ would have bee in the passing game.
To be fair the beach is usually windy
Sources: Darren Waller officially retiring. #NFLDraft #Giants
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interested in seeing what Daboll can get out of him.
need/panic + comfy with him after the 30 meet over a better proven football player seems extreme with Schoen pick after pick, no?
How is it a waste of a pick? Even if Waller wasn’t mulling retirement, this would be his last year here anyways
That must not include Bowers hahaha
Keep him away from fireworks and remember Canada Day is July 1
That is some callback I wasn’t ready for
need/panic + comfy with him after the 30 meet over a better proven football player seems extreme with Schoen pick after pick, no?
FFS.
With that pick, I’m thinking he just got A LOT closer to retirement!
I'm just hoping that either Estime or Wright (RBs) are still there when we pick in the 5th.
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feels weird. maybe Johnson was their top ranked player, but it's unlikely imo
need/panic + comfy with him after the 30 meet over a better proven football player seems extreme with Schoen pick after pick, no?
FFS.
;)
need/panic + comfy with him after the 30 meet over a better proven football player seems extreme with Schoen pick after pick, no?
When you go to the supermarket to buy food, do you buy what you need, or do you walk around looking for the best product available at the best price?
I'm just hoping that either Estime or Wright (RBs) are still there when we pick in the 5th.
Agree Jim - wouldn’t hate doubling up on a db either, cam hart, hicks, etc
Wingo and ray davis also good options.
https://youtu.be/BmTXkeLaqfg?si=5ghISKBimipt4C3g
need/panic + comfy with him after the 30 meet over a better proven football player seems extreme with Schoen pick after pick, no?
You think after having all night to contemplate their pick this morning that Schoen panicked? I don’t think so. Why is drafting for need on a team with so many holes a bad thing? These are positions that desperately need attention. Get over it.
Great story
No he isn’t. He's nearly 30 lbs heavier.
More production in college should have been there.
He only started this year, not a 3 year starter as one scouting report said. He played behind Brenton Strange (2023 2nd round pick) the last few years and the other TE Tyler Warren will be a Day 2 pick next year. Definitely not a polished player (I like Warren better), but the lack of production doesn’t scare me that much.
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feels weird. maybe Johnson was their top ranked player, but it's unlikely imo
need/panic + comfy with him after the 30 meet over a better proven football player seems extreme with Schoen pick after pick, no?
When you go to the supermarket to buy food, do you buy what you need, or do you walk around looking for the best product available at the best price?
Good analogy
That is crazy fast. Link - ( New Window )
My nephew is at PennState so I watched a bunch of games this year. Theo I really is surprisingly fast. Their passing offense was not much so perhaps some of his lack of development and stats are due to that.
The talent to need ratio in this draft has aligned very nicely. Silver lining to needing help at a lot of positons.
Interior DT/Big DE with pass rushing skills remains
That's disappointing to hear. He's got the size and speed, and looks like good hands; hopefully he develops as a blocker too.
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Penn stater here. He is not a blocker. He's actually quite poor there. That's why he started losing reps to Warren. Warren actually started becoming the better receiver of two as well. That said he's very athletic and has a ton of potential. Just don't expect him to be a mauler of a blocker. That's not his game
That's disappointing to hear. He's got the size and speed, and looks like good hands; hopefully he develops as a blocker too.
This is absolutley different then what other evaluators are saying.
Yes!!!
STRENGTHS: Good-looking athlete with ideal size/speed measurements for the position … smooth mover with fluid control of his body as a route runner and at the catch point (best short shuttle among tight ends at the combine) … flashes the acceleration to gain a step of separation on runway routes … snares the ball well in stride and quickly secures it to protect the catch … has no problem expanding his catch radius to climb the ladder and adjust to inaccurate passes … looks comfortable securing grabs in traffic … shows his quickness on cutoff blocks and made steady strides with his run blocking … awarded Penn State’s “Iron Lion” Award for strength and conditioning as a senior (NFL scout: “I know (Pat) Freiermuth influenced him a lot when he got there and showed him what it takes to play big-boy football.”) … was a regular on punt- and kick-return coverage as a senior (243 career snaps) … experienced across the formation.
WEAKNESSES: Runs predictable routes and gives tells to defenders on his intended path … has the balance to make the first man miss, just doesn’t do it enough (only two catches of 25-plus yards in 2023) … needs to show better snap through his hips, both as a route runner and blocker … tends to overextend himself as a blocker and needs to improve his base and positioning to control the point of attack … committed five penalties in 2023 (three false starts, one pass interference, one unsportsmanlike conduct) … below-average career production (fewer than 1,000 career receiving yards … off-field vetting will be key, as he was charged with two misdemeanors (one for simple assault, one for criminal mischief), stemming from a February 2023 incident at a fraternity house (Johnson was ordered to complete a
six-month, pre-trial intervention program for first-time offenders).
SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Penn State, Johnson was a versatile tight end in former offensive coordinator Mike Yurcich’s RPO-based scheme, splitting his time between inline (47.9 percent), slot (38.8 percent) and wide (9.8 percent). A wide receiver in high school in Canada, he faced a steep transition moving to tight end at State College and didn’t have a 100-yard receiving performance in 45 college games (and reached 75 yards just once). But his production steadily climbed each season, and he led the Nittany Lions in touchdown grabs in 2023. Johnson is quick off the ball and builds his speed downfield, giving his quarterback a big target with his size, strong hands and athletic catch radius. As a blocker, he doesn’t embarrass himself but needs to better understand leverage and develop more of a glass
chewing mentality. Overall, Johnson has inconsistent college tape and production, but he has A-plus measurements and smooth athletic tools that could allow him to continue developing and become a better pro than college player. Although he is a work in progress, he is a worthy long-term investment for an NFL team.
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How can you not like this pick?
And - he'll be in the TE room with Manhertz and Stoll.
If we can land Estime with the next pick that would be 5 for 5
True Dat
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Theo Johnson said he can become a tight end that you can’t take off the field. When it’s all said and done, he wants to become a dominant blocker through more work and attention to detail at the NFL level.
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Theo Johnson said he didn't actually visit the Giants, but he had a great experience with Shea Tierney, who was his team's OC at the Senior Bowl. He also knows Daboll's son, Christian, who was a student assistant at Penn State and is now a Giants offensive assistant.
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Theo Johnson spent the week at the Senior Bowl getting close with Giants pass game coordinator/QB coach Shea Tierney, who was his OC in Mobile.
Johnson very complimentary of Shea, and says after that he was hoping for NYG in draft.
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Johnson said he admires George Kittle and believes he can become that type of player
Essentially the opposite Of Waller.
Johnson is a nice pick and I am still very high on Bellinger too. Adding in Stoll earlier this offseason and now this unit is coming into shape with some versatile guys in a lot of different formations.
Bye Waller, thanks for all the help.
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Johnson said he admires George Kittle and believes he can become that type of player
Like I said, Kittle had extremely low college production. I could see this.
Well, the line stinks, the qb has been underwhelming even though he's a five star, and then you have Warren there. He's fine as a receiver. Warren just has little better hands. He isn't the athlete johnson is though. In the pros I see Warren as more of a safety valve whereas Johnson can be a threat
Call your shot like Sy does or sit back down.
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Call your shot like Sy does or sit back down.
Um, what? Are you okay?
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Mr. Waller.
& good riddance.
Addition by subtraction.
get classy people...he and his wife are having real issues in their personal lives.
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Call your shot like Sy does or sit back down.
Um, what? Are you okay?
Sorry for the overreaction, and yes I thought it was a great pick! :)
BC - I don't really know him or his game. Any good?
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maybe we should go back to calling them top 30?
It's incredible. They have to start being careful about this moving forward.
It would be interesting to see how that correlates with other teams.
Worried too. Adrien Robinson v 2.0?
To be fair it’s r4. If he even plays at an NFL avg starting TE level it’s solid considering giants depth at position recent years.
And why would you say it isn’t?
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And why would you say it isn’t?
Because it seems like most picks are considered good...until they start to play, as we've seen over and over again.
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And why would you say it isn’t?
Because it seems like most picks are considered good...until they start to play, as we've seen over and over again.
So you automatically assume they will flops
Brilliant analysis
Did I get this right? Just trying to play the game the right way.
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And why would you say it isn’t?
Because it seems like most picks are considered good...until they start to play, as we've seen over and over again.
So you automatically assume they will flops
Brilliant analysis
No need to automatically assume when it winds up being the case more times than it doesn't.
It worked for them in 2022, too.
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And why would you say it isn’t?
Because it seems like most picks are considered good...until they start to play, as we've seen over and over again.
So you automatically assume they will flops
Brilliant analysis
No need to automatically assume when it winds up being the case more times than it doesn't.
Must to have a glass half empty existence
You must be a hoot a parties
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And why would you say it isn’t?
Because it seems like most picks are considered good...until they start to play, as we've seen over and over again.
So you automatically assume they will flops
Brilliant analysis
No need to automatically assume when it winds up being the case more times than it doesn't.
Must to have a glass half empty existence
You must be a hoot a parties
Blame the Giants.
It worked for them in 2022, too.
The FA signings were the blockers. This isn't that kind of guy. He's more a receiving threat to replace Waller.
Just looking at those clips on ESPN after the pick, he didn't look nearly as good as Ourlads' report. ok, now to read the thread and see what you guys said.
Think of the way Kevin Boss or Ballard looked.
It worked for them in 2022, too.
I call them "lunch pail" TEs; and you cant have too many of them!
...it doesn't show, same here. From Eric's (LIsl) McGinn:
PFF - Johnson brings plus size to the tight end position, ranking above the 70th percentile in height and weight. His long arms are an advantage when he is blocking edge rushers and hauling in passes. He has decent build-up and long speed when getting vertical up the seam, but he lacks the difference-making change-of-direction ability, which limits his route tree.
A project. Our QBs and TEs are worst in NFL.
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Penn stater here. He is not a blocker. He's actually quite poor there. That's why he started losing reps to Warren. Warren actually started becoming the better receiver of two as well. That said he's very athletic and has a ton of potential. Just don't expect him to be a mauler of a blocker. That's not his game
That's disappointing to hear. He's got the size and speed, and looks like good hands; hopefully he develops as a blocker too.
I think that was (is) the common Penn State wisdom, but he I also heard he improved toward the end of the year.
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And why would you say it isn’t?
Because it seems like most picks are considered good...until they start to play, as we've seen over and over again.
Deonte Banks - one of the best defensive rookies last year , Kayvon Thibodeaux, all rookie defense and then 11.5 sacks last season, Wan’Dale Robinson, Micah McFadden (5th round), Jalin Hyatt, Belton and Bellinger (both 4th round)……these picks ok for you?
Think of the way Kevin Boss or Ballard looked.
Boss is my baseline expectation. Anything better I'll be happy, anything worse will be disappointing. I'd sign for a 500 yard / 5 td te who can block a bit like Boss.
Who dat? Two weeks late for the resurrection. How do?
He isn't close to the quickness or suddeness of Waller, or speed.
Write ups I'm seeing say he's a good but not great blocker, especially for his size.
He's a good pick, but the poster who compared him to Kittle is dreaming.
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Penn stater here. He is not a blocker. He's actually quite poor there. That's why he started losing reps to Warren. Warren actually started becoming the better receiver of two as well. That said he's very athletic and has a ton of potential. Just don't expect him to be a mauler of a blocker. That's not his game
That's disappointing to hear. He's got the size and speed, and looks like good hands; hopefully he develops as a blocker too.
I think that was (is) the common Penn State wisdom, but he I also heard he improved toward the end of the year.
Agree with this assessment, Giants are gambling he can be developed. We'll see.
Confused by this because 33-inch arms on a guy who is 6-6 is short. If an OT had 33 inch arms we'd be saying he'd have to move inside because of short arms. For example, Pugh is 6-4 with 32 inch arms. I'm 6-3 and have 35 inch arms.
Kittle? Kittle. What Kittle?
Kittle? Kittle. What Kittle?
Your impression of Boss' overall athleticism is way off. Johnson is actually a better vertical threat. You can see it on the tape. He's not sudden, but very few TEs are.
I'm not sure what you think an average receiving TE in the NFL looks like. We're not going to get Kelce in the 4th round.
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He's a Darren Waller clone...
He isn't close to the quickness or suddeness of Waller, or speed.
Write ups I'm seeing say he's a good but not great blocker, especially for his size.
He's a good pick, but the poster who compared him to Kittle is dreaming.
Kittle? Kittle. What Kittle?
height, weight, arm length almost the same. i see both as very linear in their speed (not shifty or elusive route runners). effort blockers. biggest difference is boss was small school where johnson played high comp.
i heard a bit of draft on radio, jim nagy is on the broadcast with miller and kirwan he said Johnson was their best senior TE entering the season and the pick was a good marriage of value/need.
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the thing that sticks out to me with Johnson is his catch radius. He also is a vertical threat.
Confused by this because 33-inch arms on a guy who is 6-6 is short. If an OT had 33 inch arms we'd be saying he'd have to move inside because of short arms. For example, Pugh is 6-4 with 32 inch arms. I'm 6-3 and have 35 inch arms.
Don't know what his arm length is, but he's every inch of that 6'6''... look at the highlights in the red zone. If the ball is near him, he comes down with it against smaller DBs. He's got soft hands.
His issue is going to be route running and blocking. He's green based on all of the reports. He may be a year or two away.
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the thing that sticks out to me with Johnson is his catch radius. He also is a vertical threat.
Confused by this because 33-inch arms on a guy who is 6-6 is short. If an OT had 33 inch arms we'd be saying he'd have to move inside because of short arms. For example, Pugh is 6-4 with 32 inch arms. I'm 6-3 and have 35 inch arms.
Shirt arm length is measured from a different location than NFL arm length
him vs bellinger is a very fair prospect debate. probably better than my boss comp though i think play style for johnson is more like boss than bellinger.
i dont think we will ever be impressed with johnson on an end around like bellinger. both were high level athletes for TEs and fringe top 100 prospects picked right around where projected. i would sign for a 2nd bellinger as well.
Good value for the Eagles. I hate them !!!
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DT Christian Jones Texas
DT Mekhi Wingo LSU
QB Michael Pratt Tulane
Edge Javon Solomon Troy
DT Leonard Taylor Ark
C Beaux Limmer TCU
DT Christian Jones Texas
DT Mekhi Wingo LSU
QB Michael Pratt Tulane
Edge Javon Solomon Troy
DT Leonard Taylor Ark
C Beaux Limmer TCU
I'd add the ND RB to that list unless he's been drafted already.
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the thing that sticks out to me with Johnson is his catch radius. He also is a vertical threat.
Confused by this because 33-inch arms on a guy who is 6-6 is short. If an OT had 33 inch arms we'd be saying he'd have to move inside because of short arms. For example, Pugh is 6-4 with 32 inch arms. I'm 6-3 and have 35 inch arms.
Shirt arm length is measured from a different location than NFL arm length
So Pugh wasn't measured by the NFL people at the combine? 33 is not long for a guy who is 6-6.
Sorry for the delay. Was painting outside before it rained while blasting the draft on my phone. He's definitely a threat deep. He's also fantastic in the red zone. Might be the only guy on the roster that can grab a fade.
He has all the tools to be great. He just needs a bit more consistency. Don't get me wrong, most Penn staters loved him. I still do too. It's just that you watch all the things he can do and then he'd drop a routine ball. He works that out and we have a great player
His film is good too, he just wasn’t utilized much at PSU.
This. And I love the upside.
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Mr. Waller.
& good riddance.
Addition by subtraction.
LOL Why the hate for Waller?
Seems likable. That other video about growing up with abuse was insightful if tough to hear about in some places. He looks like a good 4th round pick to me. I actually don't really see a close comparison to former Giant TEs, he kind of has his own style. But 4th round - wasn't Bavaro 4th round also?
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the thing that sticks out to me with Johnson is his catch radius. He also is a vertical threat.
Confused by this because 33-inch arms on a guy who is 6-6 is short. If an OT had 33 inch arms we'd be saying he'd have to move inside because of short arms. For example, Pugh is 6-4 with 32 inch arms. I'm 6-3 and have 35 inch arms.
Shirt arm length is measured from a different location than NFL arm length
So Pugh wasn't measured by the NFL people at the combine? 33 is not long for a guy who is 6-6.
For a comparison they just invited Quae Drake, a LB, to Minicamp. He is 6-1 with 33 inch arms.