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New York Giants 4th Round Selection: TE Theo Johnson

Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 12:26 pm
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4/4 with visits  
Eric on Li : 4/27/2024 12:26 pm : link
maybe we should go back to calling them top 30?
RE: 4/4 with visits  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 12:27 pm : link
In comment 16494934 Eric on Li said:
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maybe we should go back to calling them top 30?


It's incredible. They have to start being careful about this moving forward.
Good bye  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 12:27 pm : link
Mr. Waller.
RE: RE: 4/4 with visits  
bigbluewillrise : 4/27/2024 12:28 pm : link
In comment 16494937 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16494934 Eric on Li said:


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maybe we should go back to calling them top 30?



It's incredible. They have to start being careful about this moving forward.


id rather this then toney/baker stuff where we dont even know anything about them. seems like a worthy tradeoff.
Nice  
Mark from Jersey : 4/27/2024 12:28 pm : link
pick makes a lot of sense and the kid has a high ceiling. Happy.
RE: Good bye  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/27/2024 12:28 pm : link
In comment 16494939 Eric from BBI said:
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Mr. Waller.


& good riddance.
With Waller gone, a desperate area of need  
cosmicj : 4/27/2024 12:28 pm : link
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Penn State  
GruningsOnTheHill : 4/27/2024 12:29 pm : link
Nice pick
McGinn + PFF + RAS  
Eric on Li : 4/27/2024 12:29 pm : link
McGinn

4. THEO JOHNSON, Penn State (6-6, 261, 4.62, 3-4): Helped himself at the combine with a solid 40, a 39 ½-inch vertical jump and a position-best short shuttle of 4.19. “I’d rather take a shot on him than Sanders,” one scout said. “He’s on the upside. He’s got assertiveness with his blocking but he’s not consistent with his blocking. He can make hard, adjusting catches but he can’t run after the catch. He doesn’t make people miss in space.” Started 29 of 45 games over four years, finishing with 77 receptions for 938 (12.2) and 12 TDs. “He’s a little bit intriguing,” said another scout. “He’s a big guy. He’s fast. He’ll give you effort as a blocker. He’s much improved in that area. He’s got ball skills. He’s a really clunky mover, a really unnatural route runner. He’s Canadian, so he’s raw. I thought he might go back to school. If somebody really wants one they might take him in the third but I don’t think he’s worth that.” From Windsor, Ontario.

PFF - Johnson brings plus size to the tight end position, ranking above the 70th percentile in height and weight. His long arms are an advantage when he is blocking edge rushers and hauling in passes. He has decent build-up and long speed when getting vertical up the seam, but he lacks the difference-making change-of-direction ability, which limits his route tree.

He makes his money from an inline spot as a versatile blocker and pass catcher in heavier formations. He is a strong blocker when he targets defenders between the shoulders, but he can sometimes get crossed up (another area where his limited lateral ability shows).

How did you get it so soon?  
barens : 4/27/2024 12:29 pm : link
Z
Called it!  
Sammo85 : 4/27/2024 12:30 pm : link
Love this pick.
Could be just anomaly this year  
Jaenyg : 4/27/2024 12:30 pm : link
I’m sure some prospects take themselves off the Giants board with their visits.

Maybe this year, more of them had positive visits and the way the draft and board fell just worked out to 100% instead of 50%
BTW  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/27/2024 12:30 pm : link
Dan Duggan nailed his mock. He got three of the first four picks with the Giants.
How’d you get the pick  
MadPlaid : 4/27/2024 12:30 pm : link
When it isn’t on TV yet?
RE: How’d you get the pick  
Mike in NY : 4/27/2024 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16494961 MadPlaid said:
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When it isn’t on TV yet?


Looked at your Mock Draft
Decent pick  
jeff57 : 4/27/2024 12:31 pm : link
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RE: RE: 4/4 with visits  
RCPhoenix : 4/27/2024 12:32 pm : link
In comment 16494937 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16494934 Eric on Li said:


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maybe we should go back to calling them top 30?



It's incredible. They have to start being careful about this moving forward.


How does it compare to other teams? Unless they are an outlier with their drafting then I don’t see how this is an issue.
I don’t see it with him  
GiantsFan84 : 4/27/2024 12:32 pm : link
Good hands but not sudden or powerful or agile. I know he has a high RAS but it doesn’t show. Gives you nothing after the catch. Not a fan of this pick
Derek Brown Redux?  
TrueBlue'02 : 4/27/2024 12:32 pm : link
Feels similar.
What a family story on Theo Johnson  
GFAN52 : 4/27/2024 12:33 pm : link
Interesting video on his hardship growing up with an abusive father and the hardships he faxed growing up.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: How’d you get the pick  
MadPlaid : 4/27/2024 12:33 pm : link
In comment 16494965 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 16494961 MadPlaid said:


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When it isn’t on TV yet?



Looked at your Mock Draft
and did the opposite?
Popular player here on the board  
Biteymax22 : 4/27/2024 12:33 pm : link
Fits well with us, while I would have loved us to get a QB somehow, this is shaping up to be a good draft
Cosell:  
Strahan91 : 4/27/2024 12:33 pm : link
Johnson possesses the position versatility to be used in multiple personnel groups and schemes because of his ability to play attached and detached, especially in the slot and use in the red zone as matchup problem for opposing defenses. His ability to block allows him to be to be either a primary TE or secondary TE in multiple TE sets.

Very good blocker who plays under control with good technique at the point of attack while possessing the athleticism and movement skills to stay engaged. Big frame and catch radius allow him to make catches in traffic or over the middle of the field.

He is a long strider with deceptive vertical speed to allow him to attack the seams. He struggles to redirect laterally as a route runner due to his upright playing style limiting his separation out of sharper in and out-breaking routes. He has a good feel for defensive coverage schemes and finding voids when running his routes, especially over the middle down the seams.

Overall, Johnson is an all-around TE with noticeable upside potential, who has the ability to contribute as a run blocker and as a versatile pass catcher who can make plays from attached or detached alignment. Johnson can be a Year 1 contributor in multiple TE sets and eventually develop into a solid No. 1 TE.
Full Report - ( New Window )
RE: RE: 4/4 with visits  
Optimus-NY : 4/27/2024 12:33 pm : link
In comment 16494937 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16494934 Eric on Li said:


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maybe we should go back to calling them top 30?



It's incredible. They have to start being careful about this moving forward.


+1
Love it.  
bwitz : 4/27/2024 12:33 pm : link
Big beefy TE with upside.
RE: RE: Good bye  
RCPhoenix : 4/27/2024 12:33 pm : link
In comment 16494944 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 16494939 Eric from BBI said:


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Mr. Waller.



& good riddance.


Addition by subtraction.
NFL Network  
Reeses Pieces : 4/27/2024 12:34 pm : link
Highlighted Theo before the pick with his Next Gen stats before the pick was announced. They said they were going to look at Cedric Gray highlights. A bit of a mishap.
reminds me a lot of kevin boss (raw but good size/athlete)  
Eric on Li : 4/27/2024 12:34 pm : link
i dont love the pick but i think like boss he can be a contributing TE.

"A three-year starter at Penn State, Johnson was a versatile tight end in former offensive coordinator Mike Yurcich’s RPO-based scheme, splitting his time
between inline (47.9 percent), slot (38.8 percent) and wide (9.8 percent).

A wide receiver in high school in Canada, he faced a steep transition moving to tight end at State College and didn’t have a 100-yard receiving performance in 45 college games (and reached 75 yards just once). But his production steadily climbed each season, and he led the Nittany Lions in touchdown grabs in 2023.

Johnson is quick off the ball and builds his speed downfield, giving his quarterback a big tar get with his size, strong hands and athletic catch radius. As a blocker, he doesn’t embarrass himself but needs to better understand leverage and develop more of a glass-chewing mentality.

Overall, Johnson has inconsistent college tape and production, but he has A-plus measurements and smooth athletic tools that could allow him to continue developing and become a better pro than college player. Although he is a work in progress, he is a worthy long-term investment for an NFL team."
Derek Brown history  
TrueBlue'02 : 4/27/2024 12:34 pm : link
Giants 1st round pick 1992. 6' 6", 268 pounds, great physical form, not a good football player.
RE: How’d you get the pick  
bwitz : 4/27/2024 12:34 pm : link
In comment 16494961 MadPlaid said:
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When it isn’t on TV yet?


Maybe something to do with the delay and where people live?
RE: BTW  
bigbluehoya : 4/27/2024 12:34 pm : link
In comment 16494960 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan nailed his mock. He got three of the first four picks with the Giants.


That’s pretty ridiculous. Hitting a top 10 pick guess is one thing, hitting multiples in the 70s and 100s is pretty nuts.
RE: Derek Brown Redux?  
RCPhoenix : 4/27/2024 12:35 pm : link
In comment 16494973 TrueBlue'02 said:
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Feels similar.


Why, is Johnson known for being soft?
 
ryanmkeane : 4/27/2024 12:35 pm : link
Schoen cooking now
Theo Johnson!!  
Cheech d : 4/27/2024 12:35 pm : link
My wish since round 3 started.
This will round out our offensive weapons and provide a two way threat at tight end.
RE: Derek Brown history  
PetesHereNow : 4/27/2024 12:35 pm : link
In comment 16494990 TrueBlue'02 said:
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Giants 1st round pick 1992. 6' 6", 268 pounds, great physical form, not a good football player.


You do know this is the 4th round, right?
RE: Cosell:  
Eric on Li : 4/27/2024 12:35 pm : link
In comment 16494982 Strahan91 said:
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Johnson possesses the position versatility to be used in multiple personnel groups and schemes because of his ability to play attached and detached, especially in the slot and use in the red zone as matchup problem for opposing defenses. His ability to block allows him to be to be either a primary TE or secondary TE in multiple TE sets.

Very good blocker who plays under control with good technique at the point of attack while possessing the athleticism and movement skills to stay engaged. Big frame and catch radius allow him to make catches in traffic or over the middle of the field.

He is a long strider with deceptive vertical speed to allow him to attack the seams. He struggles to redirect laterally as a route runner due to his upright playing style limiting his separation out of sharper in and out-breaking routes. He has a good feel for defensive coverage schemes and finding voids when running his routes, especially over the middle down the seams.

Overall, Johnson is an all-around TE with noticeable upside potential, who has the ability to contribute as a run blocker and as a versatile pass catcher who can make plays from attached or detached alignment. Johnson can be a Year 1 contributor in multiple TE sets and eventually develop into a solid No. 1 TE. Full Report - ( New Window )


sounds very boss-y to me. another solid single/double but i think i may have swung for the fences (dorlus or wright).
RE: Derek Brown Redux?  
DefenseWins : 4/27/2024 12:36 pm : link
In comment 16494973 TrueBlue'02 said:
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Feels similar.


It feels NOTHING like Derek Brown. We took that loser in the first round.
RE: Derek Brown history  
bwitz : 4/27/2024 12:36 pm : link
In comment 16494990 TrueBlue'02 said:
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Giants 1st round pick 1992. 6' 6", 268 pounds, great physical form, not a good football player.


They just selected this guy at 107. Not sure the point you’re trying to make has any merit.
Sy loves the upside  
Sean : 4/27/2024 12:36 pm : link
Says he has the ability to be the best of the class.
Good  
AcidTest : 4/27/2024 12:36 pm : link
pick. Replacement for Waller and insurance in case Bellinger doesn't bounce back from a down year last season.
Seems a good pick  
Darwinian : 4/27/2024 12:37 pm : link
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RE: Good bye  
DavidinBMNY : 4/27/2024 12:37 pm : link
In comment 16494939 Eric from BBI said:
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Mr. Waller.
#WallwrOut

What can we do with that cash?
Meh.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/27/2024 12:37 pm : link

Lots of better players on the board. The Giants suck and haven't hit on one of these "upside" picks... Ever?
I hated  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/27/2024 12:38 pm : link
The Waller trade because I watched a lot of Raiders games and the dude was always injured must know that he plans to retire must be waiting for a certain pay off date to be reached.
Great pick!  
SimmsToBavaro : 4/27/2024 12:38 pm : link
He was held back in the a bad PSU offense. He will have an immediate impact.
personally, I would've rather grabbed a RB or Guard  
jnoble : 4/27/2024 12:38 pm : link
but I'm not getting paid to evaluate these guys six ways to Sunday for months leading up to the draft, so I'll trust they know better than I
I LOVE  
Breeze_94 : 4/27/2024 12:39 pm : link
This pick. He might start out of the gate. Traits are off the charts and TE is a position where traits work.

His film is good too, he just wasn’t utilized much at PSU.
RE: Good  
Eric on Li : 4/27/2024 12:39 pm : link
In comment 16495008 AcidTest said:
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pick. Replacement for Waller and insurance in case Bellinger doesn't bounce back from a down year last season.


Bellinger was still better than people realize last year.

caught 25 of 28 targets his way. just 3 incompletions when the ball was thrown to him.

with waller he got a more grunt work role that i dont think suited him great.
I hope he's great  
TrueBlue'02 : 4/27/2024 12:39 pm : link
but there are a good number of physical specimen guys with great measurables that are not good football players.

More production in college should have been there.
I am surprised NE  
Amtoft : 4/27/2024 12:39 pm : link
went WR Javon Baker over WR Tez giving Drake his weapon
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