The Waller trade because I watched a lot of Raiders games and the dude was always injured must know that he plans to retire must be waiting for a certain pay off date to be reached.
The Waller trade because I watched a lot of Raiders games and the dude was always injured must know that he plans to retire must be waiting for a certain pay off date to be reached.
blocker. Straight line runner only with good speed down the seam. Limited lateral agility. Slow in and out of routes and cuts, probably because of his size. Big target.
Three-year starter. All-Big Ten in 2023. Johnson has the prototype body merged with soft hands and quick feet to pose as a potential starting tight end in the league. He has shown flashes of being a matchup nightmare for both linebackers and defensive backs. The catch radius and sheer weight he can play should help with some of the short area movement issues he shows as a route runner and ball carrier to have at least a quality backup outlook. The athletic upside he possesses leaves the door open to a bigger role. He brings a rare blend of size and speed to the table that coaches will want a crack at developing. Johnson needs to clean up some of the fine points of the position to reach his ceiling, but the floor with him is high to feel safe about hm providing solid rotational play, at least.
*I’ll say this right now. Johnson has the ceiling to be the top tight end in this class (including Bowers). That fact alone leads me to believe he should be graded a bit higher. But the number is the number. He has several flashes on tape combined with a historic blend of size, explosion, and speed. At this time, however, he is a better athlete than he is a football player. I felt that way after watching tape and when I saw him in person at the Senior Bowl. It looks like he is still learning his body and simply lacks some important coordination and football reaction speed. Worth the gamble because he could change an offense. Maybe a similar trajectory we have seen with Cole Kmet with the Bears.
NFL Comparison: Cole Kmet / CHI
I’m more and more of the opinion that a TE’s blocking
Skills are their most vital attribute. Johnson is huge and apparently blocks well. If he doesn’t drop passes much, I don’t care if he isn’t quick twitch. Good pick.
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107) NYG: Theo Johnson: TE/Penn State
Top available TE for a team that appears ready to move on from Darren Waller. One of the most impressive physical specimens you will ever find at the position. Did something every film I watched that raised the eyebrows. Long strider that is an absolute matchup nightmare. High ceiling.
Has he officially retired? I just googled it, and all I found was an article yesterday where he said he was "an inch closer to making a decision."
A couple of people had it on twitter yesterday, but they aren't like top guys to call that. The thing is if he retires we can ask for some money back. If we cut him then we get nothing.
I really like Johnson's upside. Really good-looking athlete and he's physical.
It's too bad he was playing with Kent Graham, Jr at QB - Drew Allar. Allar could be standing on a beach right now and struggle throw the ball into the ocean. That makes it hard to evaluate, IMV, how productive TJ would have bee in the passing game.
I really like Johnson's upside. Really good-looking athlete and he's physical.
It's too bad he was playing with Kent Graham, Jr at QB - Drew Allar. Allar could be standing on a beach right now and struggle throw the ball into the ocean. That makes it hard to evaluate, IMV, how productive TJ would have bee in the passing game.
Good hands but not sudden or powerful or agile. I know he has a high RAS but it doesn’t show. Gives you nothing after the catch. Not a fan of this pick
interested in seeing what Daboll can get out of him.
with Nabers, Hyatt, Robinson, Slayton, and now Theo Johnson. maybe add some speed at RB and if the OL doesn't fail again could be pretty tough to defend
feels weird. maybe Johnson was their top ranked player, but it's unlikely imo
need/panic + comfy with him after the 30 meet over a better proven football player seems extreme with Schoen pick after pick, no?
You think after having all night to contemplate their pick this morning that Schoen panicked? I don’t think so. Why is drafting for need on a team with so many holes a bad thing? These are positions that desperately need attention. Get over it.
Darren "Ow! My hamstring!" Waller
And it’s not Johnson’s fault he had Franklin as a coach.
wrong thread hahaha... The potential is there for a big time player with Johnson. He has what you can't teach... now lets teach him what we can.
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The Waller trade because I watched a lot of Raiders games and the dude was always injured must know that he plans to retire must be waiting for a certain pay off date to be reached.
Darren "Ow! My hamstring!" Waller
Dumb fucking comment.
More production in college should have been there.
He played for Franklin
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pick. Replacement for Waller and insurance in case Bellinger doesn't bounce back from a down year last season.
Bellinger was still better than people realize last year.
caught 25 of 28 targets his way. just 3 incompletions when the ball was thrown to him.
with waller he got a more grunt work role that i dont think suited him great.
That's true.
TE room with Bellinger, Johnson, Stoll, manhertz and Cager.
I'd expect Belly, Theo and Stoll/Manhert to be the guys and the fourth as PS.
Grade: 78
Three-year starter. All-Big Ten in 2023. Johnson has the prototype body merged with soft hands and quick feet to pose as a potential starting tight end in the league. He has shown flashes of being a matchup nightmare for both linebackers and defensive backs. The catch radius and sheer weight he can play should help with some of the short area movement issues he shows as a route runner and ball carrier to have at least a quality backup outlook. The athletic upside he possesses leaves the door open to a bigger role. He brings a rare blend of size and speed to the table that coaches will want a crack at developing. Johnson needs to clean up some of the fine points of the position to reach his ceiling, but the floor with him is high to feel safe about hm providing solid rotational play, at least.
*I’ll say this right now. Johnson has the ceiling to be the top tight end in this class (including Bowers). That fact alone leads me to believe he should be graded a bit higher. But the number is the number. He has several flashes on tape combined with a historic blend of size, explosion, and speed. At this time, however, he is a better athlete than he is a football player. I felt that way after watching tape and when I saw him in person at the Senior Bowl. It looks like he is still learning his body and simply lacks some important coordination and football reaction speed. Worth the gamble because he could change an offense. Maybe a similar trajectory we have seen with Cole Kmet with the Bears.
NFL Comparison: Cole Kmet / CHI
@Ourlads_Sy
107) NYG: Theo Johnson: TE/Penn State
Top available TE for a team that appears ready to move on from Darren Waller. One of the most impressive physical specimens you will ever find at the position. Did something every film I watched that raised the eyebrows. Long strider that is an absolute matchup nightmare. High ceiling.
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maybe we should go back to calling them top 30?
It's incredible. They have to start being careful about this moving forward.
+1
Xref positions/players at different ranking spots.
A couple of people had it on twitter yesterday, but they aren't like top guys to call that. The thing is if he retires we can ask for some money back. If we cut him then we get nothing.
It's too bad he was playing with Kent Graham, Jr at QB - Drew Allar. Allar could be standing on a beach right now and struggle throw the ball into the ocean. That makes it hard to evaluate, IMV, how productive TJ would have bee in the passing game.
That is crazy fast.
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If we can land Estime with the next pick that would be 5 for 5
This will round out our offensive weapons and provide a two way threat at tight end.
Seeing he hasn’t caught many passes, why did you like him so much?
It's too bad he was playing with Kent Graham, Jr at QB - Drew Allar. Allar could be standing on a beach right now and struggle throw the ball into the ocean. That makes it hard to evaluate, IMV, how productive TJ would have bee in the passing game.
To be fair the beach is usually windy
Sources: Darren Waller officially retiring. #NFLDraft #Giants
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interested in seeing what Daboll can get out of him.
need/panic + comfy with him after the 30 meet over a better proven football player seems extreme with Schoen pick after pick, no?
How is it a waste of a pick? Even if Waller wasn’t mulling retirement, this would be his last year here anyways
That must not include Bowers hahaha
Keep him away from fireworks and remember Canada Day is July 1
That is some callback I wasn’t ready for
need/panic + comfy with him after the 30 meet over a better proven football player seems extreme with Schoen pick after pick, no?
FFS.
With that pick, I’m thinking he just got A LOT closer to retirement!
I'm just hoping that either Estime or Wright (RBs) are still there when we pick in the 5th.
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feels weird. maybe Johnson was their top ranked player, but it's unlikely imo
need/panic + comfy with him after the 30 meet over a better proven football player seems extreme with Schoen pick after pick, no?
FFS.
;)
need/panic + comfy with him after the 30 meet over a better proven football player seems extreme with Schoen pick after pick, no?
When you go to the supermarket to buy food, do you buy what you need, or do you walk around looking for the best product available at the best price?
I'm just hoping that either Estime or Wright (RBs) are still there when we pick in the 5th.
Agree Jim - wouldn’t hate doubling up on a db either, cam hart, hicks, etc
Wingo and ray davis also good options.
https://youtu.be/BmTXkeLaqfg?si=5ghISKBimipt4C3g
need/panic + comfy with him after the 30 meet over a better proven football player seems extreme with Schoen pick after pick, no?
You think after having all night to contemplate their pick this morning that Schoen panicked? I don’t think so. Why is drafting for need on a team with so many holes a bad thing? These are positions that desperately need attention. Get over it.
Great story
No he isn’t. He's nearly 30 lbs heavier.